The 4th Annual Guts.com Dead or Alive Championship

[miksaxxx]

I have nothing against illu88, and no one can blame him for winning a prize when he was included from the outset.

Of course nobody anticipated him actually winning the whole thing, had he received £3 like most others this issue wouldn't have been brought up.



The *fault* lies with the host of this competition for allowing rules to be circumvented and making an exception. I understand people's outrage but the buck stops with Yits for only dropping in twice a year and obviously not paying much heed to, well, much of anything around here.

So well done illu88

Maybe Yits have extra 550 €/ £/ $ in pocket.

 

[goatwack]

Maybe Yits have extra 550 €/ £/ $ in pocket.

Yit's possible

 

[colinsunderland]

Will be interesting to see what happens here. Clearly the winner shouldn't have won, and to me, the ONLY fair thing to do is give another top prize to the real winner, it wouldn't be fair to remove it from the person who already had it. Its Yits mistake and he should make good to the real winner.
Considering how often he logs in, we hopefully should have an answer from him in around July.

 

[mac72]

As you can see from the reactions here and what you've been able to read in earlier posts, I must say I'm surprised that you just say thank you to the winnings.

I've sent Yits another email and begged him to make this right. I think he must have been too busy to read our posts, because I can't find any other explanation.
If he doesn't make it right tomorrow I've cleared with Max that it's ok to Pab, and well, maybe we all could do it

There is no point in blaming the winner he came on and said thanks what else is he supposed to do? The fault lies squarely with yits , between this debacle and the spins that should have been at £7.5 everything this guy touches turns to shit ( when he turns up at all) and compounded with his condescending attitude I don't know why any of you bother I really don't .

 

[Harry_BKK]

Isn't it funny that the latest CM exclusive tournies had newbies as winners! So much for rewarding active CM members!

Are people signing-up at CM just because they see the exclusive competition with some serious cash at stake?

/hide again now as i have not taken part in this one!

 

[goatwack]

Will be interesting to see what happens here. Clearly the winner shouldn't have won, and to me, the ONLY fair thing to do is give another top prize to the real winner, it wouldn't be fair to remove it from the person who already had it. Its Yits mistake and he should make good to the real winner.
Considering how often he logs in, we hopefully should have an answer from him in around July.

There is no point in blaming the winner he came on and said thanks what else is he supposed to do? The fault lies squarely with yits , between this debacle and the spins that should have been at £7.5 everything this guy touches turns to shit ( when he turns up at all) and compounded with his condescending attitude I don't know why any of you bother I really don't .

Indeed Colin, about as accurate a post on this matter as you're likely to see. I too would urge Yits to fund the 2nd player's account to rectify this situation and everyone's happy

And for sure Mac, I agree fully with the first part of the post. The second part was too hot to handle!

 

[mac72]

Indeed Colin, about as accurate a post on this matter as you're likely to see. I too would urge Yits to fund the 2nd player's account to rectify this situation and everyone's happy

And for sure Mac, I agree fully with the first part of the post. The second part was too hot to handle!

Hot but factually correct, I'm not making the news just reporting it

 

[Dinahnana]

I completely agree. Yits CLEARLY stated the rules of the game prior to the start and HE did not stick with them by giving the spins to a player who didn't qualify. Fair enough. He then compounded the error by giving first prize to the player that didn't qualify for the spins in the first place. He really ought to give the person who got the second highest win (the rightful winner in my opinion) the first prize money as well. I know it's not the winners fault here and I am not bashing him. BUT casinos are always on about us sticking to the rules and then they go and pull this and not stick to their own rules???? I am at a loss for words.

 

[geordiecolin]

Hot but factually correct, I'm not making the news just reporting it

I didn't take part although I had qualified for this promo simply because I didn't read the thread. But lets get it into perspective. Guts gave away wager free spins and give a very generous few prizes to Casinomeister members as main prizes.

The guy who won has over the required posts,but is it really fair to expect a busy rep to monitor very carefully who has met all requirements?

Lets not forget to give appreciation to these reps and casino's,because from how I view it,it would be too easy for them to reconsider bothering at all.

 

[Dinahnana]

I didn't take part although I had qualified for this promo simply because I didn't read the thread. But lets get it into perspective. Guts gave away wager free spins and give a very generous few prizes to Casinomeister members as main prizes.

The guy who won has over the required posts,but is it really fair to expect a busy rep to monitor very carefully who has met all requirements?

Lets not forget to give appreciation to these reps and casino's,because from how I view it,it would be too easy for them to reconsider bothering at all.

He has the required posts now but didn't prior to the start of the competition which is why everybody is annoyed. Also I think the membership here do a fine job of appreciating the casinos we like Guts included. But lets not forget that casinos wouldn't be in business if they didn't have players. I also think people are pissed off about the xmas promo this year too so these other issues are just adding fuel to the "We are mad at Yits/Guts" sentiment. Well that is my opinion anyway.

 

[goatwack]

I didn't take part although I had qualified for this promo simply because I didn't read the thread. But lets get it into perspective. Guts gave away wager free spins and give a very generous few prizes to Casinomeister members as main prizes.

The guy who won has over the required posts,but is it really fair to expect a busy rep to monitor very carefully who has met all requirements?

Lets not forget to give appreciation to these reps and casino's,because from how I view it,it would be too easy for them to reconsider bothering at all.

Try telling that to the guy who finished second

And I do believe that rules should be adhered to, not made up on the fly. No one appreciates a good active rep more than us lot, but they have to be just that, and pay attention to detail and concerns of the forum. They are not immune to criticism and shouldn't be made out to be rockstars just for making fleeting, harf-arsed appearances

 

[geordiecolin]

He has the required posts now but didn't prior to the start of the competition which is why everybody is annoyed. Also I think the membership here do a fine job of appreciating the casinos we like Guts included. But lets not forget that casinos wouldn't be in business if they didn't have players. I also think people are pissed off about the xmas promo this year too so these other issues are just adding fuel to the "We are mad at Yits/Guts" sentiment. Well that is my opinion anyway.

I'm not disrespecting how posters feel. I think many have been guilty of being a bit harsh. I'm just pointing out that there is a fine line between encouraging exclusive Casinomeister promo's and discouraging them.

 

[Tirilej]

I didn't take part although I had qualified for this promo simply because I didn't read the thread. But lets get it into perspective. Guts gave away wager free spins and give a very generous few prizes to Casinomeister members as main prizes.

The guy who won has over the required posts,but is it really fair to expect a busy rep to monitor very carefully who has met all requirements?

Lets not forget to give appreciation to these reps and casino's,because from how I view it,it would be too easy for them to reconsider bothering at all.

If you read my first post in this thread I stated that he wasn't eligible because his first post was in this thread about having sent an email. He got the spins and won a lot. I said again that he shouldn't win the first prize and he got really angry. Well, it was the rules.

If Yits just had taken the time to read our posts in this thread he would have known. He didn't, so now he have more to deal with.
Maybe it was a good thing and that next time, if it will be one, he will read our posts too

 

[geordiecolin]

Try telling that to the guy who finished second

And I do believe that rules should be adhered to, not made up on the fly. No one appreciates a good active rep more than us lot, but they have to be just that, and pay attention to detail and concerns of the forum. They are not immune to criticism and shouldn't be made out to be rockstars just for making fleeting, harf-arsed appearances

Is the guy attending the meister meet? If he is I will buy him a drink.

If he isn't I will bye him a drink in the Bar and Grill

 

[geordiecolin]

If you read my first post in this thread I stated that he wasn't eligible because his first post was in this thread about having sent an email. He got the spins and won a lot. I said again that he shouldn't win the first prize and he got really angry. Well, it was the rules.

If Yits just had taken the time to read our posts in this thread he would have known. He didn't, so now he have more to deal with.
Maybe it was a good thing and that next time, if it will be one, he will read our posts too

I am not arguing against the validity of your argument. It appears that there have been a number of exclusive promo's where the Rep must end up having a right headache. I simply want these promo's to continue as well as new promo's from other casino's. Not put them off.

 

[goatwack]

Is the guy attending the meister meet? If he is I will buy him a drink.

If he isn't I will bye him a drink in the Bar and Grill

I thought you were going to hit me for a second

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Thank God you're a pacifist

 

[colinsunderland]

I'm not disrespecting how posters feel. I think many have been guilty of being a bit harsh. I'm just pointing out that there is a fine line between encouraging exclusive Casinomeister promo's and discouraging them.

I don't think anyones been harsh. the rules were clear. The winner shouldn't have won, the person who did really win hasn't got his prize.
As for a busy rep not having time, I'm sorry but it was pointed out earlier in the thread the (non)winner wasn't eligible and takes about 10 seconds to click on a profile and see how many posts someone had before the start of the comp. Even if Yits didn't have time to do it for every player, he should have before awarding the prizes?

 

[geordiecolin]

I thought you were going to hit me for a second

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Thank God you're a pacifist

I've pastafist or two while swinging a few myself

 

[spintee]

I have nothng against the winner that really should not of qualified but feel for the 2nd spot player, I would be fuming and calling for a recall as its Its bang out of order really. I am not even sure Yits has picked up on this.

Thats a fine example to show how T&C's should work, People said we should not be blaming the player, I somewhat disagree as he obvious read the rules to the comp and ignored them.

 

[geordiecolin]

I don't think anyones been harsh. the rules were clear. The winner shouldn't have won, the person who did really win hasn't got his prize.
As for a busy rep not having time, I'm sorry but it was pointed out earlier in the thread the (non)winner wasn't eligible and takes about 10 seconds to click on a profile and see how many posts someone had before the start of the comp. Even if Yits didn't have time to do it for every player, he should have before awarding the prizes?

Again Colin I'm not arguing about the second placed guys case. After a bit of time here I have sometimes thought that we do not come across as encouraging to reps.Which in turn may discourage both new and established casino's pushing promo's our way.

 

[paul7388]

Again Colin I'm not arguing about the second placed guys case. After a bit of time here I have sometimes thought that we do not come across as encouraging to reps.Which in turn may discourage both new and established casino's pushing promo's our way.

Yits is guilty of not being active enough and not following the rules of his own competition . But one or two posts are taking it further than that.

You will see i made posts a year or two back saying exact same as yourself about the way Reps get treated at times. I think its now getting to the stage where bar the odd Rep most are clearly only doing enough to retain their accredited status and the way its going i wouldnt be to surprised if the few active posting Reps go the same way as the rest.

Their are still threads asking why Reps arent active and why the number of exclusive promotions are far fewer.

Really do not have to be a genius to work out the reason.

Anyway that was my one and only post on the matter as i know what normally follows and can not be bothered today.

 

[playahata]

Isn't it funny that the latest CM exclusive tournies had newbies as winners! So much for rewarding active CM members!

Are people signing-up at CM just because they see the exclusive competition with some serious cash at stake?

/hide again now as i have not taken part in this one!

I won and I would not consider me as a newbie thank you very much

 

[Dinahnana]

I won and I would not consider me as a newbie thank you very much

I don't think Harry was referring to you playahata.

 

[Dinahnana]

Yits is guilty of not being active enough and not following the rules of his own competition . But one or two posts are taking it further than that.

You will see i made posts a year or two back saying exact same as yourself about the way Reps get treated at times. I think its now getting to the stage where bar the odd Rep most are clearly only doing enough to retain their accredited status and the way its going i wouldnt be to surprised if the few active posting Reps go the same way as the rest.

Their are still threads asking why Reps arent active and why the number of exclusive promotions are far fewer.

Really do not have to be a genius to work out the reason.

Anyway that was my one and only post on the matter as i know what normally follows and can not be bothered today.

Normally when casinos do exclusive promotions they take an active interest in the posts on that thread. Betat comes to mind, always checking in and cheering on etc. Yits posted once when he started the competition and didn't check back. If he did he would have seen that the player who won a lot on the spins wasn't eligible for the promo and he could have then said you can keep the winnings but you are not in the running for the main prize. He didn't do this.

Add to the free spins promo that players had to deposit and wager to win and then admitting a mistake on what the meaning of level 10 meant and not doing anything to rectify it.

Lastly Guts had the most difficult to understand Christmas promo which sucked for most players. Anybody would be annoyed at the Rep for this. Most of the posts on this thread and the other are constructive criticism and not nasty. You can also take the view that reps are really active in order to get their casinos off the ground and then back off the forum doing the bare minimum because they got what they need. I am not saying that this is the case I am just saying that there are two sides to the coin/story and you can't be blaming the membership from scaring Reps away.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yits is guilty of not being active enough and not following the rules of his own competition . But one or two posts are taking it further than that.

You will see i made posts a year or two back saying exact same as yourself about the way Reps get treated at times. I think its now getting to the stage where bar the odd Rep most are clearly only doing enough to retain their accredited status and the way its going i wouldnt be to surprised if the few active posting Reps go the same way as the rest.

Their are still threads asking why Reps arent active and why the number of exclusive promotions are far fewer.

Really do not have to be a genius to work out the reason.

Anyway that was my one and only post on the matter as i know what normally follows and can not be bothered today.

I think that I have hardly missed a meister depositing promo offered in here since I joined. Some promo's have utterly bombed due to lack of interest which is not encouraging at all.

 

[paul7388]

Normally when casinos do exclusive promotions they take an active interest in the posts on that thread. Betat comes to mind, always checking in and cheering on etc. Yits posted once when he started the competition and didn't check back. If he did he would have seen that the player who won a lot on the spins wasn't eligible for the promo and he could have then said you can keep the winnings but you are not in the running for the main prize. He didn't do this.

Add to the free spins promo that players had to deposit and wager to win and then admitting a mistake on what the meaning of level 10 meant and not doing anything to rectify it.

Lastly Guts had the most difficult to understand Christmas promo which sucked for most players. Anybody would be annoyed at the Rep for this. Most of the posts on this thread and the other are constructive criticism and not nasty. You can also take the view that reps are really active in order to get their casinos off the ground and then back off the forum doing the bare minimum because they got what they need. I am not saying that this is the case I am just saying that there are two sides to the coin/story and you can't be blaming the membership from scaring Reps away.

Exactly Osulle your Betat post backs up exactly what i mean.

How many Betat promotions are there now. Igor posted himself hed had enough of the posts. He would be active if and when required nothing more anymore. How often do Betat run exclusive promotions now.

 

[geordiecolin]

Exactly Osulle your Betat post backs up exactly what i mean.

How many Betat promotions are there now. Igor posted himself hed had enough of the posts. He would be active if and when required nothing more anymore. How often do Betat run exclusive promotions now.

Here is where I admit to being the very thing that I am now arguing against. I very vaguely recall being involved with some deposit bonus offered by Betat in the first few months or so after I joined. At the end of that promo I had some sort of spat with Igor. I also had a spat with a 32red promo. (Deposited at both in the last 24 hours as it goes) Those two spats plus taking in things that I see since has made me look at promo's and reps and my conduct in here again.
But I retain the right to stand my corner if I think I need too

 

[Tirilej]

Exactly Osulle your Betat post backs up exactly what i mean.

How many Betat promotions are there now. Igor posted himself hed had enough of the posts. He would be active if and when required nothing more anymore. How often do Betat run exclusive promotions now.

I thought they ended after the ddos attack and all problems they had after, but I can be wrong of course.

You and I always have had the same thoughts when it comes to reps and that we have to care about them too, and especially respect them.
In this thread you can clearly see that it was me who started this, and nothing you say can make me think I did something wrong.

We must be allowed to speak our minds too. I am happy now when others also jumped in and stated the same, because I thought I would have to make a Pab to get the right winner pointed out. It seems I don't have to anymore.
I still respect the reps in here, and I will do the same with yits if he just correct his mistake.

 

[Dinahnana]

I thought they ended after the ddos attack and all problems they had after, but I can be wrong of course.

You and I always have had the same thoughts when it comes to reps and that we have to care about them too, and especially respect them.
In this thread you can clearly see that it was me who started this, and nothing you say can make me think I did something wrong.

We must be allowed to speak our minds too. I am happy now when others also jumped in and stated the same, because I thought I would have to make a Pab to get the right winner pointed out. It seems I don't have to anymore.
I still respect the reps in here, and I will do the same with yits if he just correct his mistake.

If Yits puts his hands up and corrects his mistake then all will be forgiven. Doing this earns Reps a whole lot more respect from the membership. It's not necessarily the mistakes that are made its how they are handled that gets the respect or ire depending on the approach.

If this was a 32Red promo you can be damn sure Mark would have corrected it ASAP and admitted his error. I think that is probably one of the reason why he is much loved in this forum.

 

[aceking123]

Clearly BET_AT has struggled since the DDos attack , there reps are still here, the casino is still there , promos & things for here have dried up on here , i think for a casino which was going as fast as them i would of imho made a bet that they would hit number one spot had it not been for that DDos attack ( still a great casino with good reps & things i do hope they get back on the good path.

Guts since Ben has gone has sadly gone downhill period i stated this awhile ago & sadly nobody listened then. Yits should of done what he stated to the forum & trained someone to fill his boots just incase & monitor the forum, he clearly has too much to do & the main problem is we all was spoilt via BEN & got used to superfast support pms & many other things )

This comp well what can you say , clearly he should not of won , but hay mistakes are made , someone's bum is good for spanking tonight , fair game to the player who won i hope he did not lose it all & just withdraw it . there's going to be other comps so why are we worried be thankful that we still get these private events , had the player not been a member here he clearly would of not known , unless he just joined for this only via google or along those lines , maybe best to ask him that )

seems bad feeling here over the last week or so )

Ps Any rep or casino manager who cannot be bothered or gets so side tracked that cannot answer pms here or doesnt respond within a few days ( holidays different ) , really should face some music over it , we maybe only be a small batch of players but we still try & help via here some surely they equally should show some players respect as well )

Rantyyy over .

 

[Harry_BKK]

I won and I would not consider me as a newbie thank you very much

Absolutely no playahata. Sorry if my post was not clear.

I was referring to first place in the Videoslots CM Exclusive Battle who saw a newbie signing up just for the promo and now with Guts we have the same case. I just thought it was funny that we have two exclusive promos in about 6 months, which have some substantial prize money and exactly those see people signing up and winning them, and not by a few points, in contrary by huge margins.

The promos which are supposed to reward longstanding and/or active CM members are ending in a feast for opportunists.

What happened here with Guts is just pure laziness on the part of Yits to read a few posts. The time, it took him to explain to us in his long post in the Guts Squad thread how little a casino is making and how poor Guts is, could have been used to do his due diligence before handing out the prizes.

 

[nikantw]

Just to say a couple of things.

The winner clearly signed just for this promo and tried with some not so genuine posts to make it to 20. But is not really to blame for seeing an opportunity and giving it a shot. Well, if its an one time thing, not if he is making a career out of it!

I met Yits, he is a great guy and really values the player and the CM community. I know he has his hands full these days, and I am confident that he will sort this out best way he can.
TBH, CM contests with more than 1000 cash (if you count the fs winnings) are not that common and we should be grateful for them.

 

[spintee]

Just to say a couple of things.

The winner clearly signed just for this promo and tried with some not so genuine posts to make it to 20. But is not really to blame for seeing an opportunity and giving it a shot. Well, if its an one time thing, not if he is making a career out of it!

I met Yits, he is a great guy and really values the player and the CM community. I know he has his hands full these days, and I am confident that he will sort this out best way he can.
TBH, CM contests with more than 1000 cash (if you count the fs winnings) are not that common and we should be grateful for them.

No one is deny he is not a great guy, But We can have tourneys every day but absolute no point if people are just going to sign up to take part, Its like H said theses exclusive should be for the CM community, Seems there is only a few dozen members that really add any contribution untill somebody gets stung than there all gunz and blazing untill they get sorted than there off quicker than they come,

I have nothing aginst it but show some respect for the peeps that put some hours in to help players out,

Same goes with the rep's, all gunz blazing untill they get the golden blue peter badge, Again I have nothing against this as they got better things to do than read every post and sit around waiting to hear there casino pop up, As long as they can reply to a PM or reply to a thread than thats good enough for me.

What happen with this Tourney was just a shamble, Nothing set up and nothing in place, goes to show Yits was not bother too look, If things was tight and not much time than it should of been delayed untill somebody could whach over it in real time, That was good prize money to some but looks like they just pulled this competion in two minutes to shut alot of people up and going on about it and thought thats got to be worth a grand or two,

I think reps should also show a bit of curtsy to us lot as we also put alot of time and effort in to include helping sites out.

There is one explanation and that is the player is not new at all and just retired and opened a new account in a new name? And this was certified by one of the moderators, Even if that was the case than its no excuse due to not being told.

What ever the reason I feel for the genuine 1st place winner and I will repeat I will be going skits right now if that was me

I believe it will be rectified in due course as its the only Honorable thing to do for the bonafide winner, Infact I would be ashamed to show my face if I only had one post and won, Nothing agains the member but I am sure if it was on the other foot they would think the same,

Also take note a game change should of been in order for the poor members that cannot play netent no more.

 

[mac72]

Absolutely no playahata. Sorry if my post was not clear.

I was referring to first place in the Videoslots CM Exclusive Battle who saw a newbie signing up just for the promo and now with Guts we have the same case. I just thought it was funny that we have two exclusive promos in about 6 months, which have some substantial prize money and exactly those see people signing up and winning them, and not by a few points, in contrary by huge margins.

The promos which are supposed to reward longstanding and/or active CM members are ending in a feast for opportunists.

What happened here with Guts is just pure laziness on the part of Yits to read a few posts. The time, it took him to explain to us in his long post in the Guts Squad thread how little a casino is making and how poor Guts is, could have been used to do his due diligence before handing out the prizes.

That hits the nail right on the head harry. For all the talk of being overworked etc. it boils right down to working in an inefficient manner and when you do that you will always be "overworked". It is exactly what i am referring to when i say "condescending" in his tone, had he spent the same (or probably less time) in evaluating the winners for this promo or indeed doing the due diligence in advance with the "free" spins promo with the 7.5 spins NONE of what has been said in this thread or others would have seen the light of day.

The free spins promo is even worse, as has been pointed out to me in pm's from various other members many could have stopped at 5k wagering but continued on to 10k as they thought that ensured them the 375's worth of free spins.What condolence is it to them to hear of the tight profit margins of Guts (or any other casino) when the offer made is being reneged on? Everybody playing here knows with a bad run they may well of had a 75% rtp on that extra 5k of wagering costing them well over a grand only to be told "sorry but we didn't mean what we offered"? It's even further compounded by the copy of your live chat with GUTS confirming that the spins were at 7.5per spin which simply tells me that nobody in that organisation has a clue what they are doing or in the alternative and worse they know exactly what they are doing.

Yes all members of this community should be thankful for exclusive promo's, but none of them are really "freebies" they are part of a marketing cost attributed to induce players to continue to play at their sites which increases revenue and promote their standing/scoring on this site which in turn is used again for the same reasons.

32red used to be top of the pile here for years.They have fallen down the scoring for changing their withdrawal policies and the fact they only have MG and i agree that today their standing here currently (and i think you will find things are a changing) from a rating point of view is probably about right, but here's the thing. They have a rep who is always active on this site and runs his promo's in a proper manner, i for one have never had any major issues with lag/disconnections (and i haven't seen a 32red terrible gameplay thread), on the odd occasion that they do fuck up you can be sure that it is dealt with and i would bet everything i have that had they offered a 10k wagering promo which induced play on the basis of 50spins at 7.5 a spin you would have your spins without this crying match,they would pay for their mistake, not expect you to. And the cherry on the cake is if you want to speak to the man running things you damn well can, i'm pretty sure Pat Harrison's workload is no less than Yit's but if i'm ever looking for him he always comes back to me within 24hrs, last time i emailed him it was with a larger than usual withdrawal that i made on a friday morning at 5am, he was on holidays but came back to me at 7am - 2hrs later and my money was in my ewallet that day.On another occasion Dish of the day was also showing on the website as "double dish of the day" when only one was on offer, emailed Pat website corrected in 30mins and an email back apologizing for the mistake and offering to stand over the offer promoted and credit a 2nd dish of the day if i wished. And i applaud him not only for the things that work out in my favour but also in the manner in which he deals with the things that don't.If he's standing his ground on an issue i will re-evaluate my stance as deep down i know he will be as fair and lenient as is possible but he's a professional and no pushover either and i totally respect that.

Compare where 32red are (and i could use half a dozen other casino's as examples too) and then look at what you've had from Guts this year:
i) Rep that doesn't sign in/ignores pm's on a regular basis
ii) Undertakings from that rep to put someone else in to cover the forum 8 months ago, not done
iii) Casino with unplayable games due to lag/disconnections. Now remember they will blame igaming cloud but whereas they are separate they are all owned by the same parent company(according to the last accounts i can see).The money is all flowing to the top so if it is overloading of servers etc, it is their GROUP expansion plans that are causing this issue.They want to do more to make more, you are suffering for their greed in wishing to expand too quickly.I'm all for expansion but you get what you have running right before you take any more on.
iv) Promo's offered and then reneged on - yes they are "looking into" the 7.5 spins but there shouldn't be any need to.Pay up it's your fuck up nobody else's.I think they will probably honour them but after a lengthy delay and that just leaves members like Jasminebed distressed for days when there was never any need for it.
v) A complete and utter mess with regards to exclusion on their linked properties.I have warned of this before - at best their record keeping is abysmal (which can only get worse as they expand) but this is a disaster waiting to happen (it's already happened to me)

I don't think GUTS deserve in any way to be where they are rated on this site, past performance is meaningless, every year is a fresh year.As for Yits his performance throughout 2016 was in my view terrible and i'd suggest either shaping up or shipping out.When your "giving away" money and all your doing is pissing people off (even Tirilej for fucks sake) your doing something badly wrong.This is a thread entitled "4th Annual Guts.com dead or alive championship" supposed to be a flagship event promoting this Company and instead it's an utter shambles and the fault for that does not lie with the membership here who are quite rightly infuriated with the way it and other promotions by Guts/Yits have been handled.

 

[mac72]

No one is deny he is not a great guy, But We can have tourneys every day but absolute no point if people are just going to sign up to take part, Its like H said theses exclusive should be for the CM community, Seems there is only a few dozen members that really add any contribution untill somebody gets stung than there all gunz and blazing untill they get sorted than there off quicker than they come,

I have nothing aginst it but show some respect for the peeps that put some hours in to help players out,

Same goes with the rep's, all gunz blazing untill they get the golden blue peter badge, Again I have nothing against this as they got better things to do than read every post and sit around waiting to hear there casino pop up, As long as they can reply to a PM or reply to a thread than thats good enough for me.

What happen with this Tourney was just a shamble, Nothing set up and nothing in place, goes to show Yits was not bother too look, If things was tight and not much time than it should of been delayed untill somebody could whach over it in real time, That was good prize money to some but looks like they just pulled this competion in two minutes to shut alot of people up and going on about it and thought thats got to be worth a grand or two,

I think reps should also show a bit of curtsy to us lot as we also put alot of time and effort in to include helping sites out.

There is one explanation and that is the player is not new at all and just retired and opened a new account in a new name? And this was certified by one of the moderators, Even if that was the case than its no excuse due to not being told.

What ever the reason I feel for the genuine 1st place winner and I will repeat I will be going skits right now if that was me

I believe it will be rectified in due course as its the only Honorable thing to do for the bonafide winner, Infact I would be ashamed to show my face if I only had one post and won, Nothing agains the member but I am sure if it was on the other foot they would think the same,

Also take note a game change should of been in order for the poor members that cannot play netent no more.

Sorry spintee i DO deny it

 

[mimi26]

There is so much I want to say here but I am going to bite my tongue.

At the end of the day this could have all been avoided if Yits had bothered to pop in and check on his own thread, I mean you dont have to even log in.

I sincerely hope the player who was robbed of his first prize winnings makes a PAB over this.

Sometimes I get the feeling through chosen written words that we are a major inconvenience to GUTS with all our hyperbole and things

To me a good rep is someone who takes as much pride in this forum as we do, someone who likes being part of our community, not just popping in when they have to to keep their accredited status.

 

[mac72]

There is so much I want to say here but I am going to bite my tongue.

At the end of the day this could have all been avoided if Yits had bothered to pop in and check on his own thread, I mean you dont have to even log in.

I sincerely hope the player who was robbed of his first prize winnings makes a PAB over this.

Sometimes I get the feeling through chosen written words that we are a major inconvenience to GUTS with all our hyperbole and things

To me a good rep is someone who takes as much pride in this forum as we do, someone who likes being part of our community, not just popping in when they have to to keep their accredited status.

Yes i am glad someone else has picked up on the innuendo's in Yits posts

 

[Harry_BKK]

There is so much I want to say here but I am going to bite my tongue.

At the end of the day this could have all been avoided if Yits had bothered to pop in and check on his own thread, I mean you dont have to even log in.

I sincerely hope the player who was robbed of his first prize winnings makes a PAB over this.

Sometimes I get the feeling through chosen written words that we are a major inconvenience to GUTS with all our hyperbole and things

To me a good rep is someone who takes as much pride in this forum as we do, someone who likes being part of our community, not just popping in when they have to to keep their accredited status.

Trust me mimi .... we are!

I have been biting my tongue too as i stopped playing at Guts about 1 year ago but this and the "GUTS Squad" and the "GUTS lag" threads have just become too hilarious to read and are a typical and unfortunately a brilliant example of very poor customer service.....speak: they don't care!

Affiliate forums like this are a good source when you start a new casino. Once you have grown and got hundreds of affiliates it becomes a nuisance because the members from those forums still remember how it was at the beginning and ask for the same attention level.

What i find though truly annoying are quotes like: "Yits is surely very busy" or similar .... too busy to take care of those who provide the income of the company? For real? ... He has been warned about the new member issue in this thread long before the prizes were due - no reaction. I highlighted the $7.50/spin issue twice to their CS on the day they released the promo - no reaction, in contrary it showed they had no clue what bet level 10 on a Quickspin slot is and even when i told them they could not fathom what it meant to their bottom line and change the wording on the promo page so it is clear to everyone.

Here's my side to that. I was for years a director in a 130-man company and had customers from all continents. Meetings were consuming a large part of my work day...call it being "very busy" but at no time whatsoever did the customers have to wait more than 24hrs for an answer to their queries, even on weekends, public holiday etc and even when it was just an acknowledgement that it was received and dealt with. I can assure you 100% that with a similar attitude and diligence shown in some of these threads i would have been shown the door, swiftly and without pardon.

Casinos are lucky in that part that the majority of their customers are addicts or at least semi-addicts, hence they will come back without much hassle, just throw them a carrot in form of a bonus with 35X WR and they will be queuing up. Or some 10p wager free spins, and only 10 or 20 at a time, so they have to come back the next day and the next and the next to enjoy their 25p winnings, but hey, wager free.

Said this in some posts now, but the last year was a real eye opener with regards to being loyal to a casino. I say it again: it counts a big fat 0 ....the consequences of that can be read in my "Plans for 2017" thread.

Enough of the rant now, let's just hope Yits shows enough integrity to put this right, first the winner of this contest and then the $7.50 spins.

 

[Tirilej]

There is so much I want to say here but I am going to bite my tongue.

At the end of the day this could have all been avoided if Yits had bothered to pop in and check on his own thread, I mean you dont have to even log in.

I sincerely hope the player who was robbed of his first prize winnings makes a PAB over this.

Sometimes I get the feeling through chosen written words that we are a major inconvenience to GUTS with all our hyperbole and things

To me a good rep is someone who takes as much pride in this forum as we do, someone who likes being part of our community, not just popping in when they have to to keep their accredited status.

Yits was in, not to check the thread though but to post about that some who had sent emails wasn't eligible, and that they should read the first post again
The sad part was that it was all about if they had made the bonusfree deposit. Some did and got the spins. He never checked if those that sent him emails had made 20 genuine posts prior to the start of this contest. That is clear to me since he had people sending emails to get the spins, which mean he didn't have to log in. It was easier for him but opened up to abuse.

The real winner doesn't have to make a Pab. Yits have had several messages about this now so he will deal with it. If he doesn't correct it then I've already asked if I can make a Pab on the winners behalf.
I choose to believe though that Yits didn't do this on purpose. He have tried to get someone to help him here, but there is none so he's stuck with us for now.

I felt hurt and angry yesterday. Today is a new day and the sun is shining. This will be a good day

 

[mimi26]

Yits was in, not to check the thread though but to post about that some who had sent emails wasn't eligible, and that they should read the first post again
The sad part was that it was all about if they had made the bonusfree deposit. Some did and got the spins. He never checked if those that sent him emails had made 20 genuine posts prior to the start of this contest. That is clear to me since he had people sending emails to get the spins, which mean he didn't have to log in. It was easier for him but opened up to abuse.

The real winner doesn't have to make a Pab. Yits have had several messages about this now so he will deal with it. If he doesn't correct it then I've already asked if I can make a Pab on the winners behalf.
I choose to believe though that Yits didn't do this on purpose. He have tried to get someone to help him here, but there is none so he's stuck with us for now.

I felt hurt and angry yesterday. Today is a new day and the sun is shining. This will be a good day

Might be shining where you are here its foggy rainy and cold here




I do really hope you are right and this will be dealt with in a fair and speedy manner not next week or the week after as some after thought

And if its dealt with in the way we all think it should be then this has certainly been an expensive error on Yits part. However if Guts had listened to Harry weeks ago about the new year promo then all that could have been avoided also, its like they hear us but then immediately forget

 

[mac72]

Trust me mimi .... we are!

I have been biting my tongue too as i stopped playing at Guts about 1 year ago but this and the "GUTS Squad" and the "GUTS lag" threads have just become too hilarious to read and are a typical and unfortunately a brilliant example of very poor customer service.....speak: they don't care!

Affiliate forums like this are a good source when you start a new casino. Once you have grown and got hundreds of affiliates it becomes a nuisance because the members from those forums still remember how it was at the beginning and ask for the same attention level.

What i find though truly annoying are quotes like: "Yits is surely very busy" or similar .... too busy to take care of those who provide the income of the company? For real? ... He has been warned about the new member issue in this thread long before the prizes were due - no reaction. I highlighted the $7.50/spin issue twice to their CS on the day they released the promo - no reaction, in contrary it showed they had no clue what bet level 10 on a Quickspin slot is and even when i told them they could not fathom what it meant to their bottom line and change the wording on the promo page so it is clear to everyone.

Here's my side to that. I was for years a director in a 130-man company and had customers from all continents. Meetings were consuming a large part of my work day but at no time whatsoever did the customers have to wait more than 24hrs for an answer to their queries, even on weekends, public holiday etc and even when it was just an acknowledgement that it was received and dealt with. I can assure you 100% that with a similar attitude and diligence shown in some of these threads i would have been shown the door, swiftly and without pardon.

Casinos are lucky in that part that the majority of their customers are addicts or at least semi-addicts, hence they will come back without much hassle, just throw them a carrot in form of a bonus with 35X WR and they will be queuing up. Or some 10p wager free spins, and only 10 or 20 at a time, so they have to come back the next day and the next and the next to enjoy their 25p winnings, but hey, wager free.

Said this in some posts now, but the last year was a real eye opener with regards to being loyal to a casino. I say it again: it counts a big fat 0 ....the consequences of that can be read in my "Plans for 2017" thread.

Enough of the rant now, let's just hope Yits shows enough integrity to put this right, first the winner of this contest and then the $7.50 spins.

I just couldn't agree more Harry.If i had conducted myself in business with my customers the way that Yits has here over the past year there would have been nothing to show up for in the morning. And that is were the membership here really need to take stock - if any of you are that easily bought off that £5 worth of free spins means you will put up with just about anything then you are getting all you deserve.
Your customers are your lifeblood, without them you have nothing.Your marketing/sales and customer facing staff will make you or break you.People in these roles know by the very nature of their jobs (which they are paid to do) that they are going to have to put up with a certain amount of shit, it goes with the territory probably more so in this game as your dealing mostly with customers who are losing money.
If a player came onto this forum complaining that he/she was losing money or that playing was diverting them away from matters at home the response (and i've seen it) would be either
i) you have a gambling problem time you quit or
ii) Your a grown adult who is responsible for your own actions, stop crying

I'm sorry but when i see a rep constantly complaining about their workload/lack of family time/low margins of the business i have to apply the same criteria.Either you can't handle your job and you should get out or please shut your mouth and get on with in. But do not use that (or indeed terrorist atrocities) to divert away from the fact that your doing a shit poor job.If this Group have the funds available to expand as they seem to be and there genuinely is an issue with Yits workload then internally they should deal with that issue and not burden us with the sob stories.

 

[Tirilej]

I just couldn't agree more Harry.If i had conducted myself in business with my customers the way that Yits has here over the past year there would have been nothing to show up for in the morning. And that is were the membership here really need to take stock - if any of you are that easily bought off that £5 worth of free spins means you will put up with just about anything then you are getting all you deserve.
Your customers are your lifeblood, without them you have nothing.Your marketing/sales and customer facing staff will make you or break you.People in these roles know by the very nature of their jobs (which they are paid to do) that they are going to have to put up with a certain amount of shit, it goes with the territory probably more so in this game as your dealing mostly with customers who are losing money.
If a player came onto this forum complaining that he/she was losing money or that playing was diverting them away from matters at home the response (and i've seen it) would be either
i) you have a gambling problem time you quit or
ii) Your a grown adult who is responsible for your own actions, stop crying

I'm sorry but when i see a rep constantly complaining about their workload/lack of family time/low margins of the business i have to apply the same criteria.Either you can't handle your job and you should get out or please shut your mouth and get on with in. But do not use that (or indeed terrorist atrocities) to divert away from the fact that your doing a shit poor job.If this Group have the funds available to expand as they seem to be and there genuinely is an issue with Yits workload then internally they should deal with that issue and not burden us with the sob stories.

Sorry Mac but I feel you are way too much again. Your posts are constantly about how bad they are, and especially Guts/Yits.
I fear that if you don't stop doing this then you will be shown the way out of this forum. You have an Agenda, we get that but please...

 

[mac72]

Sorry Mac but I feel you are way too much again. Your posts are constantly about how bad they are, and especially Guts/Yits.
I fear that if you don't stop doing this then you will be shown the way out of this forum. You have an Agenda, we get that but please...

Thats complete BS Tirilej.Guts/Yits ARE bad in this instance so what is the issue?? Why would i be shown the way out of this forum for posting factually correct information? And what is this Agenda that keeps getting brought up? So i if don't like Guts/Yits, if I think they are a thoroughly unprofessional organisation then i suddenly lose the right to post anything factually correct about them?

And what does this mean "I choose to believe though that Yits didn't do this on purpose. He have tried to get someone to help him here, but there is none so he's stuck with us for now.
Are you making apologies on Yits behalf that he is overworked? HE launched the promo's, HE set out the t+c's,HE set out the timescales for payout etc. Are you saying HE did not do any of that on purpose? I'm sorry i'm at a loss for words

 

[aceking123]

Thats complete BS Tirilej.Guts/Yits ARE bad in this instance so what is the issue?? Why would i be shown the way out of this forum for posting factually correct information? And what is this Agenda that keeps getting brought up? So i if don't like Guts/Yits, if I think they are a thoroughly unprofessional organisation then i suddenly lose the right to post anything factually correct about them?

A little harsh Mac . i think Tirilej was pointing out more wording than yourself back in the thread , agenda i don't think so , everyone is entitled to their opinion about reps & casinos , i do respect what you've stated in thread & along with many other members too.

Shouldn't rattle each other should use this to either help the casino or show why people shouldn't bother with it until they've sorted out the problems.

 

[Tirilej]

Thats complete BS Tirilej.Guts/Yits ARE bad in this instance so what is the issue?? Why would i be shown the way out of this forum for posting factually correct information? And what is this Agenda that keeps getting brought up? So i if don't like Guts/Yits, if I think they are a thoroughly unprofessional organisation then i suddenly lose the right to post anything factually correct about them?

Yes! 1.11 - Please do not exploit this board to promote your own personal agenda. If the moderators (and members) feel that you are spamming the board with links or ad copy to your website, harassing members with agenda laden posts, or consistently ragging on a casino that did you wrong, etc., your account may be suspended.

 

[mac72]

A little harsh Mac . i think Tirilej was pointing out more wording than yourself back in the thread , agenda i don't think so , everyone is entitled to their opinion about reps & casinos , i do respect what you've stated in thread & along with many other members too.

I don't have a clue actually what Tirilej was trying to point out, maybe she would point out exactly what was untrue in anything i posted? If she simply does not like the tone i use towards them i believe i've earned that right.

 

[mac72]

Yes! 1.11 - Please do not exploit this board to promote your own personal agenda. If the moderators (and members) feel that you are spamming the board with links or ad copy to your website, harassing members with agenda laden posts, or consistently ragging on a casino that did you wrong, etc., your account may be suspended.

Brilliant Triliej! Now what is my personal agenda? Sorry does "yes" mean that i lose the right to post factually correct info about Guts/Yits??

 

[aceking123]

Til & mac cool of guys , let's just agree guts & yits messed up big time & it remains to be seen what happens now .

 

[illu88]

I have nothing against illu88, and no one can blame him for winning a prize when he was included from the outset.

Of course nobody anticipated him actually winning the whole thing, had he received £3 like most others this issue wouldn't have been brought up.

The *fault* lies with the host of this competition for allowing rules to be circumvented and making an exception. I understand people's outrage but the buck stops with Yits for only dropping in twice a year and obviously not paying much heed to, well, much of anything around here.

So well done illu88

thank you

 

[aceking123]

thank you

So here's the burning Question seeing as nobody bothered to ask you , did you join CM to get the free spins >>>??? & did you cashout the winning funds ???