Need your input: RTP - Was This Always on the Cards?

[dunover]

Yes, with many online casinos nerfing RTP and the resulting spread of knowledge among players concerning the detrimental effect on their average play time, I once predicted that old-style 'top RTP settings' would become a selling point eventually.

What we once took for granted has seemingly become exceptional.

And so it has proven to be as Casino Rewards have used RTP not being gimped as a marketing tool:

Anyone noticed other groups or casinos using best RTP as a selling point?

 

[Jono777]

Not come across it (yet) but did suggest it myself as a marketing tool, player retention strategy when the nerfing first started

 

[Guntis]

I saw this around 3 years ago, but on a crypto site. It's about the time when players started to realize that the games from same providers across all casinos don't play the same. They prominently showed "the highest RTPs, instant payouts" in their top section banner.

This was one of their main selling points as the site worked with no license at all. The only thing was then that they had only around 20 game providers, but payouts were instant.

Löwen Play in Germany also had this. No idea about UK sites.

 

[goatwack]

What an accolade. That's like presenting Most Intact Person of the Year in the leprosy community

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Yes, with many online casinos nerfing RTP and the resulting spread of knowledge among players concerning the detrimental effect on their average play time, I once predicted that old-style 'top RTP settings' would become a selling point eventually.

What we once took for granted has seemingly become exceptional.

And so it has proven to be as Casino Rewards have used RTP not being gimped as a marketing tool:

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Anyone noticed other groups or casinos using best RTP as a selling point?

Apologies Daz was this a recent advert or historical?

I can’t imagine anyone will use this as a selling point as the majority of customers don’t understand RTP.

 

[Guntis]

RTP isn't clear, but Return to Player is even to those who don't gamble.

 

[dunover]

Apologies Daz was this a recent advert or historical?

I can’t imagine anyone will use this as a selling point as the majority of customers don’t understand RTP.

Seems an ongoing thing and their figures could possibly be derived from my site's RTP Play Time Calculator here:

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But they've rounded them up which is a bit naughty...

I think their point is telling players you'll get maximum value for money compared to lowered operators, rather than getting them to understand it in full, which is actually true.

 

[Avernite]

The industry needs this imo to pull them back in line.

It used to be a selling point back in 2018 too, but presented slightly differently as "lower house edge due to lower overheads compared to brick and mortar casinos".

 

[brianmon]

Yes, with many online casinos nerfing RTP and the resulting spread of knowledge among players concerning the detrimental effect on their average play time, I once predicted that old-style 'top RTP settings' would become a selling point eventually.

What we once took for granted has seemingly become exceptional.

And so it has proven to be as Casino Rewards have used RTP not being gimped as a marketing tool:

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Anyone noticed other groups or casinos using best RTP as a selling point?

Slot temple have a similar guarantee. They also show the RTP% and a simple variance grading on-screen before the game is loaded.

I do think they should make more of it, though. There are just a couple of lines of text at the top of the slots page, with a link to the 'RTP Guarantee' page.

They also run several FREE tournaments daily, and a monthly one for £1000, (without having to qualify with all that XP crap)

UKGC registered

 

[anddi32]

Coolbet:

1. High returns are advertised in a prominent place.

2. The player will see the RTP below the game icon. Yellow color means there are lower RTP versions on
the market. White color means default RTP regardless of the casino

3. When you scroll over the game icon with your mouse, an "i" symbol appears in the top corner, which takes you to the game's "info box". A handy feature especially if the hit rate is marked. Hit rate information is missing for some providers such as Png and Pragmatic

4. The casino has a separate RTP calculator. Perhaps a bit misleading because it always offers the lowest RTP available to "Other MGA-Casinos".

There you can calculate how many spins the bankroll will last using theoretical calculations and compare it to games with lower returns. Again, it's a bit of a shame that MGA's most common low RTP model, 94, isn't included for providers who offer even lower returns on the market.

 

[mulven]

Coolbet:

1. High returns are advertised in a prominent place.

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2. The player will see the RTP below the game icon. Yellow color means there are lower RTP versions on
the market. White color means default RTP regardless of the casino

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3. When you scroll over the game icon with your mouse, an "i" symbol appears in the top corner, which takes you to the game's "info box". A handy feature especially if the hit rate is marked. Hit rate information is missing for some providers such as Png and Pragmatic

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4. The casino has a separate RTP calculator. Perhaps a bit misleading because it always offers the lowest RTP available to "Other MGA-Casinos".

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There you can calculate how many spins the bankroll will last using theoretical calculations and compare it to games with lower returns. Again, it's a bit of a shame that MGA's most common low RTP model, 94, isn't included for providers who offer even lower returns on the market.

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Gotta agree on coolbet, very transparent and well done UX with regards to RTP. Some well written stuff about rtp and such in their FAQ aswell. Can't go much higher than 97% without losing contribution during bonus wagering but for cash its excellent.

They also don't seem to do reload offers so the bonus stuff is barely relevant. Should be more sites that operate like them imo

 

[Avernite]

Coolbet:

1. High returns are advertised in a prominent place.

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2. The player will see the RTP below the game icon. Yellow color means there are lower RTP versions on
the market. White color means default RTP regardless of the casino

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3. When you scroll over the game icon with your mouse, an "i" symbol appears in the top corner, which takes you to the game's "info box". A handy feature especially if the hit rate is marked. Hit rate information is missing for some providers such as Png and Pragmatic

View attachment 206575

4. The casino has a separate RTP calculator. Perhaps a bit misleading because it always offers the lowest RTP available to "Other MGA-Casinos".

View attachment 206573

There you can calculate how many spins the bankroll will last using theoretical calculations and compare it to games with lower returns. Again, it's a bit of a shame that MGA's most common low RTP model, 94, isn't included for providers who offer even lower returns on the market.

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Damn I wish coolbet accepted NZ players.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Slot temple have a similar guarantee. They also show the RTP% and a simple variance grading on-screen before the game is loaded.

I do think they should make more of it, though. There are just a couple of lines of text at the top of the slots page, with a link to the 'RTP Guarantee' page.

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They also run several FREE tournaments daily, and a monthly one for £1000, (without having to qualify with all that XP crap)

UKGC registered

I use this site a lot now. I have even won money from free tournaments.

 

[Stranger111]

Yes, with many online casinos nerfing RTP and the resulting spread of knowledge among players concerning the detrimental effect on their average play time, I once predicted that old-style 'top RTP settings' would become a selling point eventually.

What we once took for granted has seemingly become exceptional.

And so it has proven to be as Casino Rewards have used RTP not being gimped as a marketing tool:

View attachment 206568

Anyone noticed other groups or casinos using best RTP as a selling point?

 

[Stranger111]

Slots temple also have that advertised
I also like casinos which state the rtp of a slot on the loading screen - at least this easily allows you to make an informed decision
Before I would avoid slots with <96% rtp but now I often find myself playing slots in the 94% range

 

[satchnz]

Apologies Daz was this a recent advert or historical?

I can’t imagine anyone will use this as a selling point as the majority of customers don’t understand RTP.

RTP is getting a lot more awareness out there but it’s still misunderstood by most.

The amount of times I’ve seen people talk about how RTP doesn’t matter because “it’s calculated over millions to billions of spins” is depressing.

 

[09237653]

mr q have max RTP on nearly every game but dont promote on that fact, they have a 'top RTP picks' section on the site and all the games flash the RTP up when you load them but i feel like they are missing an easy promotion opportunity here, i have explained RTP to my slotting friends who all play at mrq exclusively now so even casual players will get it.

Coolbet looks good and they accept UK players looks like they are abut to get a new customer.

also casino rewards are still a thing??

 

[dunover]

mr q have max RTP on nearly every game but dont promote on that fact, they have a 'top RTP picks' section on the site and all the games flash the RTP up when you load them but i feel like they are missing an easy promotion opportunity here, i have explained RTP to my slotting friends who all play at mrq exclusively now so even casual players will get it.

Coolbet looks good and they accept UK players looks like they are abut to get a new customer.

also casino rewards are still a thing??

IIRC Casino Rewards do have a UKGC license, someone correct me if that's no longer the case?

 

[09237653]

IIRC Casino Rewards do have a UKGC license, someone correct me if that's no longer the case?

I remember them from years ago they used to absorb all the failed microgaming casinos, wernt they suspected to be microgaming themselves?

it was a long tine ago cos I remember 'cashing out' there once via a cheque in the post (back when we still had banks)

 

[mulven]

IIRC Casino Rewards do have a UKGC license, someone correct me if that's no longer the case?

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Yep, still trading as Apollo over here.

I think they go by fresh horizons limited on their Kahnawake licence.

 

[mulven]

I remember them from years ago they used to absorb all the failed microgaming casinos, wernt they suspected to be microgaming themselves?

it was a long tine ago cos I remember 'cashing out' there once via a cheque in the post (back when we still had banks)

I think you are right, them being microgaming rings a bell.

Playtech were behind Europa/Titanbet/CasinoTropez too.

Kajot (small retro brand) have their own little casino called Kajot Prime casino too so a bunch of them do it not just the big bois.

 

[09237653]

do coolbet take UK casino players?
I have not attempted to sign up yet but this is not a good sign:

found: in t&c, no UK players

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[mulven]

Unfortunately its not available in the UK, no.

 

[09237653]

yeah I found it eventually.

 

[mcgameboy]

mr q have max RTP on nearly every game but dont promote on that fact, they have a 'top RTP picks' section on the site and all the games flash the RTP up when you load them but i feel like they are missing an easy promotion opportunity here, i have explained RTP to my slotting friends who all play at mrq exclusively now so even casual players will get it.

Coolbet looks good and they accept UK players looks like they are abut to get a new customer.

also casino rewards are still a thing??

Casino Rewards are still very much a thing. Been playing there from late 2013 to this present day.

And I should point out that sometime last year they have added Pragmatic Play titles.
AND on the highest RTP settings. So that's quite the good selling point for them IMO.

So now I get to see YET EVEN MORE evidence (as if there wasn't a FRICKIN' BUCKETLOAD of it already!!) of the rather annoying fact that Canada is FUCKING RIFE with spawny twats.

The Dominion of Canada? More like the Fucking Unreal Spawny Twat Republic/Dominion/51st United State of Canada!!

TBH, I am somewhat surprised that Renee didn't take a moment to highlight the introduction of Prags to CR here on the forum, given that Prags slots are....

1. relatively popular here on the forums.
2. are among those that can and do run on lower RTP models, including at some CM accredited sites.

Me personally, I almost always avoid playing Prags like they were the plague (Zeus v Hades GOW would be the rare exception). But if I were to start playing them, I think CR and MrQ would be my automatic first and second destination of choice to go play them at.