Roulette winning system

[bakonlin]

I played roulette using Martingale system for the last 1 year.Continously lost after several days of winning.I am so desperate, have no other way rather than using Martingale.
Then yesterday I browsed the internet trying to find out certain system,there is a system bet on 34 numbers,leave 3 numbers unbet.I think this is not the right one.
Then another system beting on 2 column of 12 numbers i.e.1 4 7....34 ,total 24 numbers.Double up when lost until the 4th lost,if still lost due to long streak just continue betting the same bet of the 4th.It is a semi Martingale.
I tested it on fun mode,it worked.The chance the ball landed on this 24 numbers is more than 60%,rather than beting on black red,even the winning is only 50%.
Then I deposited $50,it grew slowly, sometime 2 to 4 streaking lost,but seldom then 4 streaking.Just today 7 streaking lost,fortunately I could get it back,in this case lady luck played an important role.Now the bank role is over $400,playing 20 to 40 minutes ,break,continue again and so on.
Roulette players have a certain strategy or system please share your experience.

 

[tombee]

Trust me, it does not work in the long run. I've tried this system and others alike. But after losing it all in the end (somehow you always win when you've just started with a system) I now only use systems just to make it more interesting then flat betting. If you want to convince someone you have a flawless roulette (or other game) system you will have to come up with some math proving it. Don't waste your time on that

 

[Mr_Zoidberg]

No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn't looking. -Albert Einstein

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: I am not going to type out the whole damn thing, as it takes to long. Here is how <"I" play. First, all casino's have a, Play for Fun Mode", no matter what you ever try to do, try it at an accredited casino in fun mode first. If it did not work there, it would not work for real $ either, and all you lost is some of your time.

Fact: There are 37 numbers. Each # in the long term will hit 1/37 spins.
Fact: This never happens, or even comes close to it, in the short term.

Session= 37 spins. Set= 3 sessions = 111 spins. You play 111 spins. Each number, "according to the odd's", should hit 3 times. or close it it, ie. 2 times or 4 times. They do NOT. Some # will not hit at all, or only once. Other # will hit 6 or more times, and on average, there will be 7 # that hit at least 5 times each, and at least 1 # that hits 6 times or more.

Bet selection: Hmmmmmm, what to bet. Should i bet the numbers that hit only once, or not at all? = see you at the atm machine.
or, should i bet the numbers that are actually hitting the most? = wait for check to arrive in the mail.

Question? For a # to hit 6 times, what did it have to do first? It had to hit 5 times. For a # to hit 5 times, what did it have to do first? It had to hit 4 times. and so on.

Theroy: 20 spin spot betting $1 on the outside. After this you will have 3-4 #s that have hit 2 or more times. You bet the #'s that have hit 2 or more times, for a total of 7 hits. Stop. Now you start betting the #s that have hit 3 or more times, for 7 hits. Stop. Now you bet the numbers that have hit 4 or more times for 7 hits. Stop. and finially you bet the #s that have 5 or more hits to the end, that is spin 111. Set over. next set you start all over again from scratch. ect ect ect.

What happens: Those #s that ended up hitting more than the odds say they should have hit, had a chip on them most of the time, thus you winning money. You are simply following along. Instead of trying to predict or guess what numbers will hit the most in advance, we do it while in motion.

Money management: This is not Toy Story, and thus, We do not chase our bets into, "Infinity and Beyond". There are mini progressions, and flat betting, and a cross out, all used. Losses are recouped a few wins at a time, and not all at once. Bankroll is protected first, and put at risk second.

A Multiple of 36: Take the amount of numbers bet and divide them into 36. This is how many times you make that particular bet. It can be a little under, or a little over. Example, 5 #s bet may be bet 7-8 times. 12 numbers bet may be bet 3 times, and so on. This way, when you are betting 8 numbers that hit 4 times or more, and they go 16 spins in a row without hitting, you lost 5 bets, and not 16 bets, that would have wiped you out.

What is suppose to happen the most, will happen the most.
What is suppose to happen the least, will happen the least.

You are betting, "What happens the Most". By protecting your bankroll, when, What happens the least, shows up, AND IT WILL, you are still at the table when it is over. I use around a $1000 starting bankroll, and win between $100-$140 per set.

PS: When i said start over from scratch on the next set, i mean exactly that. What happened in set 6 has NO bearing or influence on what will happen in set 7. Try it in Free Play if you like, or not. Any Hoo, good luck to you, and in fact, good luck to all of us.

 

[kmay87]

I don't understand why you are still trying to find a way to beat roulette.

The game is random. If there is an optimal strategy, the results must be predetermined. Each spin is independent of the prior and the following one.

Considering European roulette has a HE of 2.70%, if your intentions are to somehow beat the system, at least choose something with a smaller one. You can limit variance by going for columns or rows, but you seriously should stop looking for something that doesn't exist.

Considering how old roulette is, don't you think if an actual strategy existed, it would have been created by now?

 

[love2winalot]

don't you think if an actual strategy existed, it would have been created by now?

Hiya: imhop the answer is, "NO".

Good rules, only you at the table, large bankroll, counting cards at BJ=player advanatge. So why does not everyone do this? The reasons are many, and vary. Hell, even if the greatest card counter in the world was sitting right next to you at the table, and told you the count, and told you what to bet, "Most players still would not listen, and would just do what they want to anyway.

Roulette is even more difficult to get someone to listen. You have to track numbers, record hits, record odds ect, and that just does not look cool. So, even if there was a way, and you knew it, most still would not use it. They would bet their birthday, or favorate numbers, or whatever they have always done. Just like BJ players do.

I have met people from all over the world, here in Vegas. We have played Roulette together at various Casino's. For every person that just followed my bets, there are 9 others that did not, or even if they started out doing would stop.

"This is so booring". "I am not winning enough money", "I do not want to write anything down", and so on.

You could take several Red numbers off the wheel, keep the pay out the same, and have certain bets that give the player the advantage, AND MOST PEOPLE STILL WOULD JUST DO WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE ANYWAY.
"I always bet Black", "My numbers are due", ect ect.

I gave up a long time ago trying to convince anyone of anything. Now all i do is, ........
Other Player: "That does not work you know"
Me: "Of course it does not. If it worked the casino would not let me do it".

 

[bakonlin]

No chance

Thanks for all your comment.
No system can beat,neither mathematic.
Only hoping the luck beside the gamblers,but to place a bet we need a certain way,not just placing the bet blindly,isn't it?

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya. I swear this is true. At Boulder Station Casino, here in Vegas, I saw a lady who would bet 10 chips at a time. She sat them on their side, and rolled them onto the layout. Wherever they fell, is the numbers she would bet.

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

bf says he is using his ESP to play Roulette and I swear he is good at guessing numbers, he mostly plays straight bets and red/black for insurance.

The only straight bet i make is on 0, i have no clue whatsoever what else may come...

By the way, given that all numbers have in equal chance, do you find that 0 comes more often then others? (i only have experience with online single 0 roulette)

 

[NewOrleans]

You should be paying me for this advice...

One sign of insanity or insane behavior is repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results...

First look at a graph(chart) displaying the martingale,you will see ups and downs but at the end its all the way down to nothing.The trick is quitting exactly when that line goes up sort of like a stock market,different betting systems will create different "ripples" or ups and downs in your chart,try to quit at your peek.Short term speaking 'martingaling' can offer much promiss which is why it sucks in 99% of gamblers learn different systems and combine it all together is what I do but it depends on your goals and personality.If you have blood pressure and or heart problems please don't use the martingale,go with anti martingale...

Anyways im gonna keep rambling on reply dont reply keep reading dont keep reading whatever...
By now you should know "martingaling" as i call it will not benefit in the long run,sort of like a plane destined to crash some day.Oh sure you can make a little quick buck and run for it...All im going to say is use the martingale but don't be single minded and bet 1$ and double your stake right after,bet 1$ five times and if you lose five times maybe bet 2$ five times ? by splitting the martingale by five you reduce your risk of ruin by 500%(in terms of the speed you can lose your entire bankroll in) take it sort of like a stock market "don't put all your eggs in one basket" eh??? instead of putting 5$ in a single market put 1$ in 5 different markets and hey if you end up going broke well you did a bit of math and gave your brain a little workout...

the most complex betting systems can't be explained simply which is why I am having trouble here but I can tell you i find more success in using both martingale type systems and progressive systems than using either or,i just vary my systems.

 

[NewOrleans]

about the roulette 0

The roulette 0 does not come more or less often it is just flashy green and pulls more attention,your selective memory process remembers the zero more often than the other numbers which creates a sense that it comes more often.
Also you pay more attention to the zero than any other number probably

 

[handkey]

No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn't looking. -Albert Einstein

or the payout of single number is 40:1

 

[love2winalot]

That stinking 0

Hiya: There is one difference between the 0 and every other number. They all hit 1/37. But the "0" is the only number that if it hits, ALL OUTSIDE BETS HAVE 0% TO WIN. Bet Red on the outside and you have a 50/50 chance on 36/37 numbers,

Just like there are more red/odd/high numbers than red/even/high numbers. and vise versa.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Online Casinos have been going for about eight years now. That must equate to billions of spins. And yet they are still in business

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: I almost forgot. Some casino's have the "insert unknown name here", rule, that if the 0 hits, you only lose 1/2 of any outside bet, instead of the whole bet.

 

[kmay87]

Hiya: I almost forgot. Some casino's have the "insert unknown name here", rule, that if the 0 hits, you only lose 1/2 of any outside bet, instead of the whole bet.

That would be the La Partage rule

 

[tombee]

PS: When i said start over from scratch on the next set, i mean exactly that. What happened in set 6 has NO bearing or influence on what will happen in set 7. Try it in Free Play if you like, or not. Any Hoo, good luck to you, and in fact, good luck to all of us.

I must say the first time I tried it it worked very well, what of course does not have to say anything. Quite a disadvantage you have to keep track of the spins. Takes away some of the fun, as some other people have also said. But anyway, I will try this system some more just because it is interesting

 

[kmay87]

I must say the first time I tried it it worked very well, what of course does not have to say anything. Quite a disadvantage you have to keep track of the spins. Takes away some of the fun, as some other people have also said. But anyway, I will try this system some more just because it is interesting

Ok, I'm at a loss.

We've established roulette is a game of probability. So there is no optimal strategy. It has a high house edge. Excluding roulette with a progressive jackpot, the payout can be no higher than 36x bet.

Therefore, I'm presuming people play it for leisure. Don't really see any other reasons than enjoyment. So using some elaborate system, as others have said, will take some of the fun away, as you don't watch as the ball goes round and round hoping you will be lucky enough to win: instead, you are using some system which means you partly expect an outcome to occur.

If it doesn't, we'll hear shouts of 'the system doesn't work'. Heard it enough from the Martingale. For some it will work. Then when it doesn't, they are placing hundreds on the board to only win a fiver. Then they hit table limits and their pocket has a huge hole. Many will reiterate that there is no skill to roulette, and just because an outcome has occured x times in x spins, that is no indictation on what will happen next.

So, quite simply, why play this game? You say 'it will make it interesting'. That's fair enough, and I'm sure it will make you think differently than just spreading a load of chips over the board and hoping for the best. But ultimately, I really don't see how it will make any difference. You can reduce variance in a number of ways, which is really what an optimal strategy is about, and this is as close you will come to one for roulette. But reducing variance means reducing payout, culminating in something which is going to pay little more than 2 or 3x. In that case, the game becomes pointless.

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Kmay makes a great point, and it true for the most part.

20 spins end/ 0001100012010001110200120200031100120203011041202030

2+ hit on spin
3+ hit on spin
4+ hit on spin

This is the other part of how i play. the numbers show how many times a number had just hit. The #23 hits. It had not hit yet, so it is recorded as 0. The number 33 hits. It had hit once before, and is recorded as 1. and so on.

Why do this? Yes it is Booring to a point. It is a bit of work to a point. Everyone will laugh at you if you do it in a real Casino. and so on. I have counter measures for all this.
Booring=drink beer while playing
work=drink beer while playing
Get laughed at=drink beer and laugh at my self first, hehe,

But mainly it is this. I sit down at a table, Others come and sit down and play. I am grinding away with a big pile of chips, and others wonder why i bet so small and few at a time. They lose. They go into their wallet to buy in again, and lose again. They leave for a bit, go to the atm and come back. They say to me, "I see you came back also". "No, I never left".

All i want to do is WIN. The bet selection method eliminates the variance to the point of making the game Beatable, more often than not. The Bankroll makes the, "You Lost", acceptable, as you just keep grinding away, and as long as you have the Bankroll to stay in the game, you can Win.

What has to happen to Lose, and give it all back"? This is it in a nutshell. This is what everyone says will happen at some time. "Wow, you did good, you should quit while ahead, before you lose it all". "How do i lose it all"?

This is How. In 111 spins, all 37 numbers have to do this.
1. No number hits 6 or more times
2. Only 2 numbers hit 5 times total.
3. The numbers that hit 4 times had 0 hits, until you ended up betting 10-15 different numbers with 3 hits, and when one of the hit it was always after 4 or more losses in a row.
4. same as above when betting 3+ hit numbers.
5. Same as above when betting 2+ hit numbers.
6. When a 2+, 3+, 4+ number hits, they never hit again within 1-3 spins.
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If that happens, i will have lost my bankroll. If several parts of that happen, and i was at starting bankroll, i would lose it also. This HAS Happened once in just over 100 something sets. It has to happen 1/7 sets, instead of 1/100+ in order for me to have a net loss.

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FOR ME, This Works, it is fun. Hell, I sit at a PC, in shorts and a tanktop, drink beer, play a game, write down a few numbers, and get paid for it.
Everyone is right. Almost no one would ever be willing to do all this. I am willing to do it. I have done it for years. Here is the most weird part. "I have a FEEL for the game". hehe, yea i know, ah hahahaha.

Thanks for finding that rule for me. I did not know you were French?

 

[tombee]

But reducing variance means reducing payout, culminating in something which is going to pay little more than 2 or 3x. In that case, the game becomes pointless.

So BJ is pointless? Off course 36X max payout is more interesting then 3 times max... I'm just saying that while I'm at it, might as well use a system even though I know no system should work for the better. Still makes it more interesting then just betting something without really knowing what the hell you are doing. Flat betting becomes so boring after a while. And heey, when I still don't like it I drink some beer just like love2winalot

Btw. tripled my bankroll with his system. Thanx Even though I still think most of it is luck

 

[love2winalot]

Even though I still think most of it is luck

Hiya. WHO CARES? It is better to be insulted at the cashier cage, than complimented at the atm machine, is it not?

 

[Nifty29]

I am testimony to the fact that you CAN win at roulette!!

I visited Crown Casino here in Melbourne in 2005 and placed a $1 bet on #29 (my bday) and it came up and I won $35....and Ive never played roulette before that or since.

 

[tombee]

Hiya. WHO CARES? It is better to be insulted at the cashier cage, than complimented at the atm machine, is it not?

You are right my friend

 

[bakonlin]

Roulette

Trust me, it does not work in the long run. I've tried this system and others alike. But after losing it all in the end (somehow you always win when you've just started with a system) I now only use systems just to make it more interesting then flat betting. If you want to convince someone you have a flawless roulette (or other game) system you will have to come up with some math proving it. Don't waste your time on that

You are right tombee,this system could kill when a long lossing streak occured.During 1 week playing this system,because I had no other better way to bet,I must several times cancel my withdrawal to load my wiped out bankroll.
Fortune is still on my side,that is the only factor the gambler can win,I am still ahead this week.

 

[Deeplay]

I used to play the wheels alot when I visited land based casinos in Denmark. Tried every system under the sun - nowt worked. You win or loose. Best thing is ensure you have a huge vod / tonic at least then you dull the pain of having a stack on 0 and 26 comes up been there done it .. burp.

 

[Nobunaga]

Keeping ahead of roulette.

Roulette should not be done as a main game by most players.You really need to adapt to this game all the time, and adapt yourself to every croupier, every limit spread that is favorable to the player, and if you play online, only the best online casino is played at, or avoid this game online.

I play roulette in Canada.The limit spreads vary from casino to casino, which makes it hard to remember all the different spreads.

An example would be:

$5-$50
$5-$200
$10-$100

3 types of limit spreads at 3 different casinos for American Wheel.

I've talked to genius roulette players, and they play by the math and physics of the game.They bet on sections, look for a pattern of spins, limit spreads, croupier, and then they bet, with the anti martingale or play outside bets with perfect money management.

These gifted players play a low amount of spins, like 10 spins or so, and try to take profit or small loss from every table they play on.

Main games should be like Baccarat, Poker, Sports betting if it's done right, Craps, Blackjack with perfect rules and skill.

That is what the pros have told me to do, and to get my money management perfected, among other aspects of a gambling lifestyle.

Play on a single 0 roulette if possible, and play outside bets on average when playing on the American wheel.

I would like to know the limit spreads more in how European casinos handle the limit spreads.

It's tough to be a professional gambler, so most people just get a career job they love, and gamble strictly for fun.Meet new people, raise their family and enjoy life.

Good luck to all of you.

Nobunaga

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: The 2 largest spreads here in vegas are

Wynn: $10 min bet, $2000 max bet, and $100 max on any number.

Binions: $4 Min bet, $10,000 max bet, and $200 max on any number.

At Bodog, my current limits are, $500 Max bet, and $200 max on any number.

 

[bakonlin]

Roulette on line

Roulette should not be done as a main game by most players.You really need to adapt to this game all the time, and adapt yourself to every croupier, every limit spread that is favorable to the player, and if you play online, only the best online casino is played at, or avoid this game online.

I play roulette in Canada.The limit spreads vary from casino to casino, which makes it hard to remember all the different spreads.

An example would be:

$5-$50
$5-$200
$10-$100

3 types of limit spreads at 3 different casinos for American Wheel.

I've talked to genius roulette players, and they play by the math and physics of the game.They bet on sections, look for a pattern of spins, limit spreads, croupier, and then they bet, with the anti martingale or play outside bets with perfect money management.

These gifted players play a low amount of spins, like 10 spins or so, and try to take profit or small loss from every table they play on.

Main games should be like Baccarat, Poker, Sports betting if it's done right, Craps, Blackjack with perfect rules and skill.

That is what the pros have told me to do, and to get my money management perfected, among other aspects of a gambling lifestyle.

Play on a single 0 roulette if possible, and play outside bets on average when playing on the American wheel.

I would like to know the limit spreads more in how European casinos handle the limit spreads.

It's tough to be a professional gambler, so most people just get a career job they love, and gamble strictly for fun.Meet new people, raise their family and enjoy life.

Good luck to all of you.

Nobunaga

Thanks nobunaga,

Do the pros players think roulette on line is unfair?

 

[4 of a kind]

Roulette online has to be a no-no for the serious gambler. You are playing against nothing more then a slot machine program. If you ever played slots online you understand my point.

Croupier habits and biased wheels don't exist online and became extremely rare to find live.

Of all the table games offered live, roulette has always been rated in the basement. I'm not saying you can't win playing it, but the long run that always eventually kicks in busting your bankroll playing any casino game, will come much quicker playing roulette.

The odds of anyone making a good living gambling are limited to a very elite group. I would think the odds of being one in this group, would be similar to the odds of winning the lottery.

 

[ionutd]

What if your bankroll and the table's max were infinite, then you could beat roulette right?

I've tried a few systems just for the benefit of mind gymnastics and managed to squeeze in 16 spins in a 250$ max table, no more. A high-roller table, I'm guessing somewhere in the region of 20 but the risk or ruin is way higher.

Roulette is the gambler's downfall

 

[skiny]

If my bankroll was infinite I'd probably have better things to do than lose money to a ball and a wheel.

 

[Scooter7]

If my bankroll was infinite I'd probably have better things to do than lose money to a ball and a wheel.

That's the correct, smart-ass answer (of which I wholeheartedly approve), but in a more geeky, math-fan way, it is the right way to approach the subject, in theory. Unfortunately, I don't live in theory, I live in Canada and my funds are not unlimited

 

[zippedup]

no free lunches and no systems that work!

It has been proven over and over and over again that there are no systems that can beat the odds at any game!! No free lunch.

I too play roulette once in awhile. I would never ever play anything other than european roulette (single zero) because it improves the odds greatly. Gets the odds fairly close to craps but only if you play red/black or odd/even. Still the casino still has a small edge so like other games most other games luck has to be with you.