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Raging Rhino misery

dave1888 said:
Have had a fair few big wins on "old" Rhino too jono. If I find old rhino anywhere will let you know, also the mobile version used to be good to me too folks...
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That's the thing tho matey, the old Rhino is ALSO shit now.

They have it at Fantasino, Royal Slots and Video Slots (where it's tighter than a bag full of tight things :eek:)
 
goatwack said:
I know, like most we tread cautiously, and through various unlikely wins raise our hopes to unrealistic levels :mad:

Slot selection is everything, I believe the likes of Bonanza skew expectations and provide almost no value for money.

It's best to take a step back and play the lesser- known slots, even if just to get some semblance of playtime :cool:
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Yeah, that's so true, and occasionally i've had the will power to say 'i'll give this game a go i've never played it before.' If i get decent playtime I do feel like i've had a fair experience and don't mind losing in the end.

However bonanza seems to have some magnetic pull on my brain. I think the way they did the gold scatters, not many games have used the gold colour so much, you associate it with riches and treasure, when it lands you have the instant buzz as if youve already won something.

Dunover said on one of his recent vids that he was beginning to see past the smoke and mirrors of the game, however I'm still walking around in the bonanza mist. For the next week i'm going to stop playing it and see how I get on.
 
Rhino used to be one of my first to go to games but bloody hell something has no question changed with this slot.
Yes you would have your bad days but also some very very good ones.Nowadays every day i play it it seems to be a bad day.
I hope i am wrong but have hardly seen any decent screenshots lately when you used to see a fair few.
 
We should have a memorial of 'Slots we loved and lost'. I tried it last week and it was one of the most boring slot sessions I've ever had. If that had been my first ever slot experience I'd never play again. Even if I'd 3k burning a hole in my pocket I'd have no confidence of getting more than 5 bonus's, never mind a decent win.
 
I've just looked through my pictures folder for rhino bonus round wins on the new html update, these 2 are the biggest:

big rhino win 40p.webp big relief.webp

But to put my foil suit onesie on for a moment, I think these sorts of wins were more common two years ago because more people played rhino, I think the game, and a lot of slots, build up funds ovetime from players losing then release them like mini jackpots, but if less people are playing then the big wins become fewer.
 
I can't help feeling it's the general trend with most slots.They seem to play well for 3-6 months then they seem to lose a couple of % off the rtp.A year down the line another couple of % goes and the bonus rounds become less frequent. I could name a whole host of them that don't play like they used to.I think that's why providers constantly bring out new games all the time as if to keep you trying a bit of this and a bit of that so you get confused with what's really going on.I am afraid to say that is exactly what happens with FOBTS and I can't see any difference here.
 
snorky510238 said:
I can't help feeling it's the general trend with most slots.They seem to play well for 3-6 months then they seem to lose a couple of % off the rtp.A year down the line another couple of % goes and the bonus rounds become less frequent. I could name a whole host of them that don't play like they used to.I think that's why providers constantly bring out new games all the time as if to keep you trying a bit of this and a bit of that so you get confused with what's really going on.I am afraid to say that is exactly what happens with FOBTS and I can't see any difference here.
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I've never played a FOBT before but are the online slots also really 'fixed odds' but with a slightly higher rtp? If so, then surely it will only be a matter of time before the stakes online will also have to be limited otherwise it won't make sense as you can play slots for 24hrs at home but not in the highstreet
 
mack341 said:
I've never played a FOBT before but are the online slots also really 'fixed odds' but with a slightly higher rtp? If so, then surely it will only be a matter of time before the stakes online will also have to be limited otherwise it won't make sense as you can play slots for 24hrs at home but not in the highstreet
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The thing is casinos and betting shops come under different licensing laws.The max you can win on 1 spin is £500 in a betting shop.Along with the fact that casinos are based here there and everywhere tells you there are dodges to be had and the only comparison I can make is that online slots play pretty much the same format as FOBTS but pay a higher % (that's for sure). The 1 thing I can't get away from though is however you look at either of them they act more like compensated slots than random in my opinion.I am of the view however that it has to be that way for punters to experience peaks and troughs.If they were truly random most people wouldn't get much enjoyment because you would have a fair chance that a lot of sessions would just give you 95% of your stake back.Whereas in reality I find that your session either yields nothing at all(no matter what you do) or you hit more features than you thought possible and can do no wrong.That would appear to me to be more compensated than random.
 
oh i 'd forgotten about that £500 jackpot limit on fobts,
snorky510238 said:
The 1 thing I can't get away from though is however you look at either of them they act more like compensated slots than random in my opinion.I am of the view however that it has to be that way for punters to experience peaks and troughs.If they were truly random most people wouldn't get much enjoyment because you would have a fair chance that a lot of sessions would just give you 95% of your stake back
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Yes this is how I feel, if the random number generator was truly random there probably would't really be a distinct pattern to the session. Plus the peaks [ie big wins] get seen by other people and generate a lot of interest, more people then play that slot.

I think I read on CM [probably the trance monkey thread] the argument that slots are definitely random and not compensated and that the games reach their rtp through statistics.

However I then imagined the reality of the statistics argument is: 100 balls are placed in a bag, each represents an outcome, 65 of the balls equal a non-winning outcome and the other balls vary from a 1x win upwards. When you take a ball out you then have to put it back in, thus in reality if the random number generator keeps picking one of the 65 losing balls or the low x winning balls you will have a long losing streak with no recovery and a very low rtp.
 
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mack341 said:
oh i 'd forgotten about that £500 jackpot limit on fobts,


Yes this is how I feel, if the random number generator was truly random there probably would't really be a distinct pattern to the session. Plus the peaks [ie big wins] get seen by other people and generate a lot of interest, more people then play that slot.

I think I read on CM [probably the trance monkey thread] the argument that slots are definitely random and not compensated and that the games reach their rtp through statistics.

However I then imagined the reality of the statistics argument is: 100 balls are placed in a bag, each represents an outcome, 65 of the balls equal a non-winning outcome and the other balls vary from a 1x win upwards. When you take a ball out you then have to put it back in, thus in reality if the random number generator keeps picking one of the 65 losing balls or the low x winning balls you will have a long losing streak with no recovery and a very low rtp.
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Yes that's my main issue how come the "rng" picks an unbelievable amount of winning combinations one day then doesn't pick any for days on end?hmmm. Like you said the chances really would be that you had a much higher amount of very balanced sassions rather than massive swings one way or the other.
 
I promised myself, faithfully, truly, honestly....One last decent hit on Rhino and it would (sadly but sensibly) join my "Never again" list.

This was over 4 months ago now and still waiting with regular but also limited and sensible exposure :o

The icing on the cake was only last night, finally a feature with the re-triggers of yesteryear, 82 FS !!!

Paid just over 50x :mad:

How the more experience among us haven't forced an investigation into this slot is beyond me, foil wear aside this game simply isn't the same and ain't been for a long time now.

Don't even get me started on that HTML5 rubbish either Grrrrr!
 
Jono777 said:
I promised myself, faithfully, truly, honestly....One last decent hit on Rhino and it would (sadly but sensibly) join my "Never again" list.

This was over 4 months ago now and still waiting with regular but also limited and sensible exposure :oops:

The icing on the cake was only last night, finally a feature with the re-triggers of yesteryear, 82 FS !!!

Paid just over 50x :mad:

How the more experience among us haven't forced an investigation into this slot is beyond me, foil wear aside this game simply isn't the same and ain't been for a long time now.

Don't even get me started on that HTML5 rubbish either Grrrrr!
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my feeling is far fewer people are playing it now than 2 years ago, the 96% rtp is returning 96% of a smaller pot, therefore the big wins [by x times the stake] occur much less.

However, along less people putting money into it, I think it has also been tweaked somehow to give a few more large wins in the base game in place of those large bonus wins, I seem to have more large [50x]cheetah wins in the base game than in the past.

It appears the days of getting huge wins at 80p-1.20 are now gone and you have to play £2 upwards to have a very rare chance of a £500 win.
 
This was probably one of my favourite games but after a few sessions on the HTML5 session I lost interest. I'm not even quite sure why - it just lost something. I'll deffo play it in land based if I see it in Vegas this year though.
 
dave1888 said:
The new Rhino is truly awful if it says SG in bottom left do not play it. I had 7 features at trada there 2 just over FG(the other 5 FGs) hundreds of bad dead spins in base game, Best hit 30x. Fucking dreadful. It's not just you who's getting shafted Dunover!
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Agree,they wrecked this slot and also other WMS slots that have been revamped / reskinned like Montezuma and Amazon Queen (2 of my favs).
They pay and play absolute horrible.
Destroyed the brand I am afraid.
 
lotusch said:
Destroyed the brand I am afraid.
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Actually that's a really good point. I used to love WMS so was excited when the former were releasing a new game but when they started branding everything SG all the dire LV games just clouded the issue and I gave up watching. I do occasionally stumble on a half decent one like Mighty Black Knight but even that brand seems to have been dumbed down.

You just reminded me of the days of Jackpot Party. In all my years of playing, those were perhaps the happiest 2 or 3 years. Top place.
 
lotusch said:
Agree,they wrecked this slot and also other WMS slots that have been revamped / reskinned like Montezuma and Amazon Queen (2 of my favs).
They pay and play absolute horrible.
Destroyed the brand I am afraid.
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why when SG bought out williams didn't they just let them carry on making good innovative games. when the new html versions load they always say powered by SG interactive, is this supposed to get slot players excited? I wish SG would bugger off and only return when they've made a decent original slot of their own
 
played it last night at 40p stake and again got a biggish rhino win in the base game [24 ways £60], but then bonanza took £80 off me at 20p for no bonus!!

I definitely think rhino [sg] have copied something from bonanza and moved some of the rtp from the bonus round to the base game, the problem for me is when I get a win in the base game I tend to just use it to fund more spins to get a bonus and so these base game wins aren't getting withdrawn but ploughed back into the game, and this is even more the case with bonanza because of the unnecessary large number of spins required to get a bonus round.
 
Well what better time to gimp the game than when re-coding it from the ground up for HTML5 eh :D

Probably the best chance for developers to slip that in there, unless it just happens to be every fervent Rhino player's imagination that the game has changed, i.e all of them. Same as with the other butcheri... err 'updates' on other conversions like DOA :laugh:
 
curremon said:
21 spins and BG.. and where else but guts. Every feature 2 months straight either bg or 2-3 x bet over... so rigged shit
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How does this game possibly come near the expected rtp. There must be thousands going through it yet nobody appears to have a decent win ever.
 
This game is gimped as fuck.

£80 last night (won't mention casino but on flash/old version) - It even felt rigged as I was spinning away, RTP is fucking awful and has been for months.

This never happened over past years, win some, lose some, draw some, fucking evil now.

Made a pact with myself, get one last big win on it and then never play it again, trouble is I think it knows this and that big win (even 200x would do) ain't happening.
 
pinnit2014 said:
It is a totally joyless experience - if you played that as your first slot you’d never play again. Gamstop could simply limit people to RR to have the same effect ;-)
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I would love the casinos to give you the option to be able to block certain games, could be for a set period, 4 weeks to 52. rhino and bonanza would be blocked periodically for me, good games but very addictive in a bad way.
 
this morning on sky vegas I spent £130 and did over 900 spins at 40p.
I had 3 bonuses in total biggest was £12, and my largest win was £16 in the base game from some cheetahs, that came after 800 spins when I was £120 down.

I wonder what my rtp would be as 900 spins at 40p would cost £360, but I was never ahead once in the game. I think the average number of spins required for a bonus is 115, so in theory I missed out on 5 bonuses which might made a difference.

But overall now I've got to take a break from the orange beast. such has been my luck with slots recently that I'm now forced to go back to 10p spins on novomatics. :(
 
Given the amount it’s possible to lose in a session on a regular basis spinning just 40p begs 1 question. How much do these high rollers lose? £5,000 or maybe more. Can this be considered responsible gambling? Can they all provide legitimate sow? I doubt it. Do you think most of them are even asked to? I doubt it. Do you sometimes feel the whole online gambling scene is one big numbers racket? IMO very probably.
 
maybe if i'd done another 200 spins I might have had a glut of bonus rounds suddenly appear, but having lost £600 a year ago on another williams game [giants gold] I know they can just continue taking. I remember the bandit losing about £500 to get a bonus on montezuma. This is where the idea that games are completely 100 % 'random' works against players as you cannot believe the endless dead spins the random number generator produces for you as opposed to other sessions where the base game is paying out all the time, it feels too 'scripted'.
 
mack341 said:
maybe if i'd done another 200 spins I might have had a glut of bonus rounds suddenly appear, but having lost £600 a year ago on another williams game [giants gold] I know they can just continue taking. I remember the bandit losing about £500 to get a bonus on montezuma. This is where the idea that games are completely 100 % 'random' works against players as you cannot believe the endless dead spins the random number generator produces for you as opposed to other sessions where the base game is paying out all the time, it feels too 'scripted'.
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The most likely outcome is it would have just kept taking your money as on a cold day you can throw the kitchen sink at them and you will NEVER recoup your losses. The more you chase the worse they get.
 
Jono777 said:
This game is gimped as fuck.

£80 last night (won't mention casino but on flash/old version) - It even felt rigged as I was spinning away, RTP is fucking awful and has been for months.

This never happened over past years, win some, lose some, draw some, fucking evil now.

Made a pact with myself, get one last big win on it and then never play it again, trouble is I think it knows this and that big win (even 200x would do) ain't happening.
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One heartfelt piece of advice for you mate. Ditch that pact immediately. Because you might be waiting a VERY long time for it.
Even if it does arrive, you might well be left thinking "that was just not worth the perseverance".

I stopped playing Rhino last October for a reason. The reason being that I simply no longer had any confidence that I could win on it.
That was eight months ago. And I can say hand on heart that I have not played it since, not even once, not even in fun mode.

In fact, I have not played ANY WMS slot since last October, such was the scale of the hatchet job that I believe they did on Rhino.

In all seriousness though, I DON'T believe the RTP has been lowered.

But I DO believe that the variance has been increased from HIGH to VERY HIGH.

It hasn't escaped my notice that during the "Flash era" of Rhino, I have never seen a screenie/video that produced a win in excess of 3500x
(there were a few above 3000x, but I don't think anyone broke 3500x).

Yet in the last three months, I have seen TWO screenies (both on HTML5) showing wins in excess of 4700x.

I'm not saying that this is clear evidence that the variance has been increased, but I think it's enough to provide a crumb of food for thought.

The big wins still exist in my opinion, but the name of the game now appears to be one of surviving long enough to be able to land it.
Even at min bet, that's a bloody expensive game to be playing.
Especially when you can hit big(ger) on other slots for a fraction of the price (like 10p on Captain Venture, 20p on Bonanza, Queen of Riches, DHV etc)
 
mcgameboy said:
One heartfelt piece of advice for you mate. Ditch that pact immediately. Because you might be waiting a VERY long time for it.
Even if it does arrive, you might well be left thinking "that was just not worth the perseverance".

I stopped playing Rhino last October for a reason. The reason being that I simply no longer had any confidence that I could win on it.
That was eight months ago. And I can say hand on heart that I have not played it since, not even once, not even in fun mode.

In fact, I have not played ANY WMS slot since last October, such was the scale of the hatchet job that I believe they did on Rhino.

In all seriousness though, I DON'T believe the RTP has been lowered.

But I DO believe that the variance has been increased from HIGH to VERY HIGH.

It hasn't escaped my notice that during the "Flash era" of Rhino, I have never seen a screenie/video that produced a win in excess of 3500x
(there were a few above 3000x, but I don't think anyone broke 3500x).

Yet in the last three months, I have seen TWO screenies (both on HTML5) showing wins in excess of 4700x.

I'm not saying that this is clear evidence that the variance has been increased, but I think it's enough to provide a crumb of food for thought.

The big wins still exist in my opinion, but the name of the game now appears to be one of surviving long enough to be able to land it.
Even at min bet, that's a bloody expensive game to be playing.
Especially when you can hit big(ger) on other slots for a fraction of the price (like 10p on Captain Venture, 20p on Bonanza, Queen of Riches, DHV etc)
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Great post, this explanation of the game being changed from high variance to ultra high variance makes a lot of sense to me having lost thousands since march playing rhino at only minimum stake.
 
Dunover made a comment about the A on reel 3 in a video and I noticed there is no A when the reels spins and from what I can see an A only lands on reel 3 if there is a win and A doesn't land as part of a losing spin.

What would be the significance of missing a letter off the third reel apart from the occassional win and not seeming to appear on a losing spin, I wonder if this happened pre html5 version,
 
steveh35 said:
Dunover made a comment about the A on reel 3 in a video and I noticed there is no A when the reels spins and from what I can see an A only lands on reel 3 if there is a win and A doesn't land as part of a losing spin.

What would be the significance of missing a letter off the third reel apart from the occassional win and not seeming to appear on a losing spin, I wonder if this happened pre html5 version,
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I developed a similar problem to Dunover's adversion to seeing '9' on the 2nd and 3rd reels, but it was actually with the pink 'A', everytime I did a spin there it was; it started to make feel physically nauseous, and cause anxiety very similar to the anticipation affect of a dripping tap has on your mind, the anticipation causes anxiety but instead of hearing it was seeing.

When playing old rhino at will hill it does seem the number '10' wins are more frequent compared to the html version.
 
I know that in its current incarnation, having barely touched upon the original, it's one of the worst value-for-money games I've played.

Whatever they've done to it is to the player's detriment, having had the misfortune of losing a good hundred or so from leftover winnings on it.

It completely ravages one's balance without respite and has a penchant for doling out shocking bonus rounds. And worst of all, I never felt as though things would turn in my favour at any point, a crucial component in anyone's choosing to play a slot :eek2:

I really wish I'd caught it first time round, but given its woeful returns now I'd barely muster enough enthusiasm to redeem free spins on it. There's far better games now. The horned orange buggerer can just whistle for it :cool:
 
Im going to buck the trend here - rhino has been one of the most lucrative slots for me in the last three months. Had numerous 500x wins on it at decent stakes, and a couple of 1000x my rtp is at 106% at Trada over 20k spins. Even casinoroom paid up all my losses and then some with a 2.5k win last month.

One thing I would say though is that when its dead its REALLY dead. Im talking £600 gone with a handful of bonus rounds @£2 bets. When its hot the microwins are abundant and then its time for a raise. Montezuma plays similar.
 
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Jono777 said:
Incredibly rare, I thought that sort of shit had been totally removed from that game lmao!

Great hit for my style stake :thumbsup:

(Actually left it £20 in profit last night and I thought that was an achievement lol)
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It is an achievement. Off the top of my head if I have played it 200 times I may of been slightly ahead on 5 occasions max and have never had one big hit on it. I very rarely play it nowadays as it’s a bankroll muncher.
 

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