New World Order...cont'd

[babs7262]

I wanted to keep this conversation going because I find it most interesting. Since there were so many derails in the last one I want to try to start a new one. There are a few subjects I would like to bring up and I know alot of you are going to go nuts but there is more and more proof regarding the list of things that interest me. Like:

1. Amero dollar...did you know that they are making this right now and have been working on it for over 60 years. Just like the Euro dollar being linked to all European counties this new Amero dollar will link Canada, America and Mexico making the US dollar even weaker than it has already become. The same people who wrote the federal reserve laws are still in the same family to this day. (this is just an example of this subject)

2. The illuminati(sp): When the Scots started the free masons it was said that the 33rd was the highest of them all. This however seems not to be the case. There are actually 13 higher levels than the 33rd that consist of 13 wealthy families. For over 60 years they have been slowly trying to compartmentalizing America/Africa/Asia/Europe to be ran under one government. The 120 people that meet every year for 3 days aka Bidenburg group discuss this without it ever getting into the newspapers. The 13 highest actually have their own reserve and make money on an ongoing basis which is actually putting less value on the american dollar. In 1771 Adam Weiskavt(sp) started the masons and in 1781 was the year of the illuminatti

3. The crash of the market in 1929 was deliberatly done. Im sure most of you know this but for those who dont, this is why: The dollar was made and printed by the reserve, they not only charge interest for this dollar but also have the power to call in the loans (to the banks who buy the dollars).The banks then have only 48 hours to pay back the loan, if they cant they need to borrow more money which has interest on top of that. The people get wind of this , start to panic, take all of their money out causing the banks to ask for more money. Its a vicious circle that makes it IMPOSSIBLE for us to ever get out of debt which the bidenburg group depend on to continue their mission of "the new world order" This started back in 1907, started again for the 1929 depression which was done purposly by rockefeller to show the power that he and his group really has. Did you know the dollar bill before 1933 was exchangable for gold and said it right on the bill itself and it was changed in 1933 to just legal tender to ensure its worthlessness if another crash took place?

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Im not sure if this link works but there is a documentary called Wake Up, Im sure Rob has seen and even discussed it but I cant find the thread. This can make for some interesting discussion. On subject three (crash of 29) I probably made it hard to understand but there was so much information thrown at one time it got hard. All of these subjects have hard evidence as well as written documentation.

 

[RobWin]

Very good grasshopper, I see you have been paying attention in class and you shall be rewarded accordingly !! :notworthy

 

[RobWin]

Babs, here is a working link to the documentary you are referring to there...Google Vid

[ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3543161691381895251"]Wake Up Call - Remastered Edition (NEW) - New World Order Documentary - 2008[/ame]

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Youtube Vid

 

[babs7262]

Have you read about "the gwen system" (ground wave emergency network)That is some crazy scary chyt! To think that 12 million people across the world have been affected by this. It was very obvious in England in the 90's when the protests were going on with greenpeace. It was completed in 1993

They have these towers that are 300 feet high 250 miles apart from each other and can go from coast to coast. It gives out a very low frequency that runs about 150-173kHz. It hugs the ground instead of the air and when there is chaos they send these signals. There was a person there in the 80's for some protests and that same person went back in the mid 90's and there was a HUGE difference in show ups because it causes people to get headaches, get dizzy, menstrual cycles are worse and just makes people not want to protest.

In one study they took 100 inmates from prisons in Washington and Oregon and used them as guinnie pigs to see how much radiation it would take to make their testicles sterile. It cost the govt 1.5 million dollars

 

[RobWin]

Here's you a good one Babs....British Prime Minister Gordon Brown speaks of the NWO in this video in depth...

 

[babs7262]

I saw that one already lol. A member turned me on to the NWO site called educate-yourself.org, I wont say the person's name incase they wish to remain anonymous

 

[RobWin]

I saw that one already lol. A member turned me on to the NWO site called educate-yourself.org, I wont say the person's name incase they wish to remain anonymous

Ask that member to come in here to this thread and contribute,...tell them it's safe to come out of the closet..

 

[RobWin]

Babs, not sure if you have seen these sites or not but they are a good read and The

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Towers are very similar to the The HAARP program with the difference being that

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operates at high frequencies....


GWEN Towers, HAARP & Satellite GPS - EMF Control Grid

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GWEN Towers, HAARP & Satellite GPS-EMF Control Grid

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"GWEN is a superb system, in combination with cyclotron resonance, for producing behavioural alterations in the civilian population. The average strength of the steady geomagnetic field varies from place to place across the United States. Therefore, if one wished to resonate a specific ion in living things in a specific locality, one would require a specific frequency for that location. The spacing of GWEN transmitters 200 miles apart across the United States would allow such specific frequencies to be 'tailored' to the geomagnetic-field strength in each GWEN area."

- Robert O. Becker, M.D., in "Crosscurrents: The Perils of Electropollution"

"Russian satellites, controlled by advanced computers, can send voices in one's own language interweaving into natural thoughts to the population of choice to form diffused artificial thought. The chemistry and electricity of the human brain can be manipulated by satellite and even suicide can be induced. Through ferocious anti-humanitarian means, the extremist groups are fabricated, the troubles and bloody disturbances are instigated by advanced tele-means via Russian satellites, in many countries in Asia, Africa, Europe and Latin America."

Dr Nassim Abd El-Aziz Neweigy, March 21, 1983, Assistant Professor in the Faculty of Agriculture, Moshtohor Tukh-Kalubia, Egypt, writing in The Sydney Morning Herald

"Specifically, this agreement establishes the overall policies, relationships, and responsibilities guiding interagency activities necessary to establish, operate, and manage the NDGPS as authorized by Section 346 of Public Law 105-66 of October 27, 1997 (Attachment A) including for the temporary and permanent transfer of mutually selected USAF Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) sites and equipment to USDOT for use to establish the NDGPS radionavigation service as authorized under Public Law 105-66, Section 346 (Attachment (C))."

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The agreement also establishes USACE, FRA, FHWA, USCG, and NOAA responsibilities for the funding, installation, operation, and eventual decommissioning of Nationwide DGPS sites.


In Presidential Decision Directive (PDD) NSTC-6 of March 28, 1996, the President designated the Department of Transportation as the "lead agency for all Federal civil GPS matters." In addition, the President directed the USDOT to "develop and implement U.S. Government augmentations to the basic GPS for transportation applications."

In January 1997 the USDOT formed an interagency DGPS Executive Steering Group and a DGPS Policy and Implementation Team to investigate the development of a nationwide differential service to comply with Presidential direction. The findings of the Executive Steering Group determined that building upon existing infrastructure and resources - Coast Guard Maritime Differential Global Positioning System (DGPS) sites and conversion of existing US Air Force Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) sites - was the most practical method available to adequately fulfill the PDD and meet the user agency operational and technical needs.

Section 346 of Public Law 105-66, dated October 27, 1997, (Attachment A) grants authority to the USDOT to "take receipt of such equipment and sites of the Ground Wave Emergency Network ... as ... necessary for the establishment of a nationwide system to be known as the 'Nationwide Differential Global Positioning System .'"

In November, 1998, the NDGPS MOA was signed, identifying the general responsibilities of the seven Federal Agencies involved in the planning and proposed implementation of the NDGPS service.

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300 Towers, 300-500 Feet High, Spread Across the United States

The Ground-Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) System

Extract from Matrix III Volume One:

The Ground-Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) is a communications system that the military is in the process of constructing as we speak. It operates in the very-low-frequency (VLF) range, with transmissions between 150 and 175 kHz. This range was selected because its signals travel by means of waves that have a tendency to hug the ground rather than by radiating into the atmosphere. This signal drops off sharply with distance - a single GWEN stations transmits in a 360 circle to a distance of 250 to 300 miles. The entire GWEN system consists of approximately 300 such stations spread across the United States, each with a tower 300-500 feet high. The stations are from 200 to 250 miles apart, so that a signal can go from coast to coast from one station to another. When the system is completed around 1993, the entire civilian population of the United States will be exposed to the GWEN Transmissions.

 

[babs7262]

I had Rich watch the WHOLE 2 hour wake up video. His head is still spinning.
Hey ROb.....I feel things will be better with Obama in office, what are your feelings? I dont recall seeing any african americans in the elite 13 or even the 120 families

Do you think they will try to assassinate like they did JFK?

 

[RobWin]

I had Rich watch the WHOLE 2 hour wake up video. His head is still spinning.
Hey ROb.....I feel things will be better with Obama in office, what are your feelings? I dont recall seeing any african americans in the elite 13 or even the 120 families

Do you think they will try to assassinate like they did JFK?

Damn you ask some tough questions Babs...

My hope is that things will improve in all areas for the better with Obama in office...but there again it all depends on how much he is willing to play into the elites plans and whether he decides to join their

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or not. As with Kennedy though, he did not want to play their game and we see what happened to him, so you never really know what goes on behind the scenes of this group of very powerful people.

I'm not sure if you have watched this video Babs, the link is in my signature too, but here it is...it's called "

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" and it shows all about the power elite and the

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meetings and all. It's a good vid you should watch sometime..

 

[LaurieJim]

I had Rich watch the WHOLE 2 hour wake up video. His head is still spinning.
Hey ROb.....I feel things will be better with Obama in office, what are your feelings? I dont recall seeing any african americans in the elite 13 or even the 120 families

Do you think they will try to assassinate like they did JFK?[/QUOTE] we need to pray that doesnt happen as there are so many crazed ones out there, and no one has said the fact that president elect obama is not just african american but is more white than black and more black than muslim.....he is a mixture of the world........a human being ill have to do some reading on robs links, but everytime i do i get the bejeeze scared out of me..............................laurie

 

[RobWin]

Here's an interesting article Babs regarding Obama....

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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
November 5, 2008

As an example of the sort of change we are likely to see now that Obama has won the presidency, consider the man he is likely to select to run the Department of Banker Giveaways, formerly known as the Treasury Department: Gov. Jon Corzine, the former chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs and Bilderberg attendee. Corzine is on the short list, along with former Clintonites Lawrence Summers and Robert Rubin. Summers is a Bilderberg and Council on Foreign Relations member and Robert Rubin, director and senior counselor of Citigroup, was the fifth chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations and a Bilderberg Society member.

New Jersey governor Corzine is a perfect choice for an Obama administration. He is a liberal CFR insider, that is to say he favors even more government intrusion into the lives of largely witless plebs Corzine wants to expand government, including universal health care, backs universal gun registration, and mandatory public preschool. According to NJ.com, Corzine has played a key role in Obamas universe as an economic adviser and booster for the incoming president.

Corzine, Summers, Rubin it does not really matter who is appointed. As should be obvious, there will be no change under Obama. His administration will continue the banker plan to meltdown the economy, move toward a one-world currency system, and allow the bankers to continue their unprecedented centralization of power.

Obama, who controls nothing and is merely a front man for our enslavement, will naturally fill his administration with insiders. Others have speculated that instead of Corzine, Obama will pick former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker to head up the Treasury. Rockefeller minion Volcker is a CFR member, Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove attendee, and a founding member of the Trilateral Commission.

As Georgetown professor and CFR historian Carroll Quigley noted, the goal of the banking families and their minions consists of nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.

James Paul Warburg, son of banker and Federal Reserve author Paul Warburg, told the United States Senate in 1950: We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.

As it now appears, this banker effort to fashion world government, under the contrived voodoo spell of Barack H. Obama, will be achieved, at least in the short term, with the consent of the American people.

 

[RobWin]

I had Rich watch the WHOLE 2 hour wake up video. His head is still spinning.
Hey ROb.....I feel things will be better with Obama in office, what are your feelings? I dont recall seeing any african americans in the elite 13 or even the 120 families

Do you think they will try to assassinate like they did JFK?

we need to pray that doesnt happen as there are so many crazed ones out there, and no one has said the fact that president elect obama is not just african american but is more white than black and more black than muslim.....he is a mixture of the world........a human being ill have to do some reading on robs links, but everytime i do i get the bejeeze scared out of me..............................laurie

LOL Laurie....

 

[babs7262]

That was in the back of my mind because Alot of the past presidents were presidents because of making the deal with the devil. It will always be in the back of my mind . I mean to be the first African American elected president is surely an honor but at what price?

Although I dont get that intuitive feeling from Obama you have to know that some people will go at lengths to make history without even knowing the real damage that can be caused in the end.

It just frightens me at times. I know Laurie, I had nightmares last night. Rich wanted to keep watching and I had to stop at a point because there is so much information to soak up. Please take your time and go a little slower than me. I have OCD and I tend to over do things. Im learning to slow down the information highway here for a bit LOL

 

[LaurieJim]

That was in the back of my mind because Alot of the past presidents were presidents because of making the deal with the devil. It will always be in the back of my mind . I mean to be the first African American elected president is surely an honor but at what price?

Although I dont get that intuitive feeling from Obama you have to know that some people will go at lengths to make history without even knowing the real damage that can be caused in the end.

It just frightens me at times. I know Laurie, I had nightmares last night. Rich wanted to keep watching and I had to stop at a point because there is so much information to soak up. Please take your time and go a little slower than me. I have OCD and I tend to over do things. Im learning to slow down the information highway here for a bit LOL

rob knows how i feel , huh rob? rob has been doing research for years on all these things and for that he should be commended or is that commited....................i will read them rob........................laurie

 

[babs7262]

Hey Laurie

This Icke Fellow explained it much better and easier than alot of us have. We are in no way saying the Free Masons dont do wonderful works. This Icke man explained that the Free Masons just like any other huge organization is like a pyramid. People that are as high as the 32nd and 33rd have no clue what the elite 13 (illuminati) are doing.

Its these elite that Im concerned with, not the people who do good works. There are videos out that show a very small part of the ritual that goes on. Infact. some of the signs are so obvious that people miss them. You ever hear that something was too big to notice?

I just wanted to make sure you knew how I felt and that I now they do good works for the blind and burned and poor. Like I said, just because youre a part of something doesnt mean you know whats going. Take a bank...The man who cleans the bathrooms has no clue what the teller does, the teller has no clue what the manager does, the manager has no clue what happens in the executive office and the executives have no clue what the owners real motives are. Thats the pyramid I speak of

Also, the other reason why it has been kept so quiet is because the word occult means secrecy and these ppl take that very serious. Infact, they consider it to be a huge offense when this secrecy and loyalty is broken. That is why its called an occult and why you will never hear or see anything unless a member is on his/her deathbed and if they do, they get assassinated

 

[LaurieJim]

Hey Laurie

This Icke Fellow explained it much better and easier than alot of us have. We are in no way saying the Free Masons dont do wonderful works. This Icke man explained that the Free Masons just like any other huge organization is like a pyramid. People that are as high as the 32nd and 33rd have no clue what the elite 13 (illuminati) are doing.

Its these elite that Im concerned with, not the people who do good works. There are videos out that show a very small part of the ritual that goes on. Infact. some of the signs are so obvious that people miss them. You ever hear that something was too big to notice?

I just wanted to make sure you knew how I felt and that I now they do good works for the blind and burned and poor. Like I said, just because youre a part of something doesnt mean you know whats going. Take a bank...The man who cleans the bathrooms has no clue what the teller does, the teller has no clue what the manager does, the manager has no clue what happens in the executive office and the executives have no clue what the owners real motives are. Thats the pyramid I speak of

Also, the other reason why it has been kept so quiet is because the word occult means secrecy and these ppl take that very serious. Infact, they consider it to be a huge offense when this secrecy and loyalty is broken. That is why its called an occult and why you will never hear or see anything unless a member is on his/her deathbed and if they do, they get assassinated

another reason this stuff freaks me out

 

[babs7262]

I know,
It does me too. Its like an accident, your afraid to look but you have to.

Im thinking this now: LOL Rob (im going to town on this crap now)

Oprah is pretty influential and the first African American woman to have her own show. I remember her first day back in 1983 in IL. Obama is from IL. Who knows....She could of taken him under her wing way back when since they are from the same state and she could be one of the 120.

 

[LaurieJim]

I know,
It does me too. Its like an accident, your afraid to look but you have to.

Im thinking this now: LOL Rob (im going to town on this crap now)

Oprah is pretty influential and the first African American woman to have her own show. I remember her first day back in 1983 in IL. Obama is from IL. Who knows....She could of taken him under her wing way back when since they are from the same state and she could be one of the 120.

oprah just got very luck, i can remember back when chris clark from channel 5 news in nashville made her the first black woman t.v reporter, her first break in television, she may have made billions but she made it on her own by being a smart woman and making the right moves, by taking royaltys from her show and by forming her own production company................pure luck, was what was on her side then, now, she has the power but it was all self made, but it also makes you wonder as we know she has had a big hand in helping obama ........ laurie

 

[RobWin]

The first barons of banking

The first barons of banking

Rupert Wright
Last Updated: November 06. 2008 7:11PM UAE / November 6. 2008 3:11PM GMT

Nobleman: Baron David de Rothschild, the head of the Rothschild bank. The Rothschilds have helped the British government since financing Wellington's army to fight the French in 1815. Galen Clarke / The National

Among the captains of industry, spin doctors and financial advisers accompanying British prime minister Gordon Brown on his fund-raising visit to the Gulf this week, one name was surprisingly absent. This may have had something to do with the fact that the tour kicked off in Saudi Arabia. But by the time the group reached Qatar, Baron David de Rothschild was there, too, and he was also in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

Although his office denies that he was part of the official party, it is probably no coincidence that he happened to be in the same part of the world at the right time. That is how the Rothschilds have worked for centuries: quietly, without fuss, behind the scenes.

We have had 250 years or so of family involvement in the finance business, says Baron Rothschild. We provide advice on both sides of the balance sheet, and we do it globally.

The Rothschilds have been helping the British government and many others out of a financial hole ever since they financed Wellingtons army and thus victory against the French at Waterloo in 1815. According to a long-standing legend, the Rothschild family owed the first millions of their fortune to Nathan Rothschilds successful speculation about the effect of the outcome of the battle on the price of British bonds. By the 19th century, they ran a financial institution with the power and influence of a combined Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley and perhaps even Goldman Sachs and the Bank of China today.

In the 1820s, the Rothschilds supplied enough money to the Bank of England to avert a liquidity crisis. There is not one institution that can save the system in the same way today; not even the US Federal Reserve. However, even though the Rothschilds may have lost some of that power just as other financial institutions on that list have been emasculated in the last few months the Rothschild dynasty has lost none of its lustre or influence. So it was no surprise to meet Baron Rothschild at the Dubai International Financial Centre. Rothschilds opened in Dubai in 2006 with ambitious plans to build an advisory business to complement its European operations. What took so long?

The answer, as many things connected with Rothschilds, has a lot to do with history. When Baron Rothschild began his career, he joined his fathers firm in Paris. In 1982 President Francois Mitterrand nationalised all the banks, leaving him without a bank. With just US$1 million (Dh3.67m) in capital, and five employees, he built up the business, before merging the French operations with the rest of the familys business in the 1990s.

Gradually the firm has started expanding throughout the world, including the Gulf. There is no debate that Rothschild is a Jewish family, but we are proud to be in this region. However, it takes time to develop a global footprint, he says.

An urbane man in his mid-60s, he says there is no single reason why the Rothschilds have been able to keep their financial business together, but offers a couple of suggestions for their longevity. For a family business to survive, every generation needs a leader, he says. Then somebody has to keep the peace. Building a global firm before globalisation meant a mindset of sharing risk and responsibility. If you look at the DNA of our family, that is perhaps an element that runs through our history. Finally, dont be complacent about giving the family jobs.

He stresses that the Rothschild ascent has not been linear at times, as he did in Paris, they have had to rebuild. While he was restarting their business in France, his cousin Sir Evelyn was building a British franchise. When Sir Evelyn retired, the decision was taken to merge the businesses. They are now strong in Europe, Asia especially China, India, as well as Brazil. They also get involved in bankruptcy restructurings in the US, a franchise that will no doubt see a lot more activity in the months ahead.

Does he expect governments to play a larger role in financial markets in future? There is a huge difference in the Soviet-style mentality that occurred in Paris in 1982, and the extraordinary achievements that politicians, led by Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy, have made to save the global banking system from systemic collapse, he says. They moved to protect the world from billions of unemployment. In five to 10 years those banking stakes will be sold and sold at a profit.

Baron Rothschild shares most peoples view that there is a new world order. In his opinion, banks will deleverage and there will be a new form of global governance. But you have to be careful of caricatures: we dont want to go from ultra liberalism to protectionism.

So how did the Rothschilds manage to emerge relatively unscathed from the financial meltdown? You could say that we may have more insights than others, or you may look at the structure of our business, he says. As a family business, we want to limit risk. There is a natural pride in being a trusted adviser.

It is that role as trusted adviser to both governments and companies that Rothschilds is hoping to build on in the region. In todays world we have a strong offering of debt and equity, he says. They are two arms of the same body looking for money.

The firm has entrusted the growth of its financing advisory business in the Middle East to Paul Reynolds, a veteran of many complex corporate finance deals. Our principal business franchise is large and mid-size companies, says Mr Reynolds. I have already been working in this region for two years and we offer a pretty unique proposition.

We work in a purely advisory capacity. We dont lend or underwrite, because that creates conflicts. We are sensitive to banking relationships. But we look to ensure financial flexibility for our clients.

He was unwilling to discuss specific deals or clients, but says that he offers them trusted, impartial financing advice any time day or night. Baron Rothschilds tends to do more deals than their competitors, mainly because they are prepared to take on smaller mandates. Its not transactions were are interested in, its relationships. We are looking for good businesses and good people, says Mr Reynolds. Our ambition is for every company here to have a debt adviser.

Baron Rothschild is reluctant to comment on his nephew Nat Rothschilds public outburst against George Osborne, the British shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer. Nat Rothschild castigated Mr Osborne for revealing certain confidences gleaned during a holiday in the summer in Corfu.

In what the British press are calling Yachtgate, the tale involved Russias richest man, Oleg Deripaska, Lord Mandelson, a controversial British politician who has just returned to government, Mr Osborne and a Rothschild. Classic tabloid fodder, but one senses that Baron Rothschild frowns on such publicity. If you are an adviser, that imposes a certain style and culture, he says. You should never forget that clients want to hear more about themselves than their bankers. It demands an element of being sober.

Even when not at work, Baron Rothschilds tastes are sober. He lives between Paris and London, is a keen family man he has one son who is joining the business next September and three daughters an enthusiastic golfer, and enjoys the odd concert. He is also involved in various charity activities, including funding research into brain disease and bone marrow disorders.

It is part of Rothschild lore that its founder sent his sons throughout Europe to set up their own interlinked offices. So where would Baron Rothschild send his children today?
I would send one to Asia, one to Europe and one to the United States, he said. And if I had more children, I would send one to the UAE.

 

[babs7262]

Wanna hear something very wierd

You're either gonna think Ive really gone overboard or think Rob LOL

Keep an open mind here. OK, The elite that control the government have been pretty successful in getting people to submit to them in trade for Presdiential status or any other high position status right? It seems to me the only people that did not buy into was Kennedy, MLK and that one man from the late 1800 's. Those people happen to be assassinated. Now, Think about this..Ronald Regan started out as an actor and ended up as President, which btw has me wondering how far Arnold will go lol. Anyway, Im pondering the thought that maybe Ronald Regan did not want to participate in this control and that is why there was an assassination attempt. Since it failed, do you find it ironic that he Alzheimers? Im thinking maybe he was going to confess about it and they made him ill. It can be done after all. When you think about it, how many Presidents died from serious illness? They seem to get cured of anything they have because we all know that every cure is available to the right people. Geez, look at Patrick Swayze, that guy literally only had days or weeks to live and all of a sudden a miraculous drug comes out in the nick of time?

See what you did to me now LOL...I cant stop thinking about stuff

 

[Rusty]

LOL Babs.
It is always good to have an open mind but what is possible, what is plausible and what is likely are Three different things.
You are trying to reverse engineer a theory from the facts but you may be better starting with who funded Regan and who is allies and enemies were.

Obviously the people who fund the presidential candidates, often indirectly, will want a return for their investment.
So once you know where the most funding has come from (that is the hard bit) you will also know where the greatest sphere of influence/pressure comes from.

If a president tries or is suspected of wanting to introduce policies that may be detrimental politically,philosophically or financially to these backers then you at least have motive as far as implicating the Illuminati goes and we already know they have the means and opportunity.

I guess all that depends though on how much power you think an actual president has to make policy.
The fact is that the UK or US are run with continuity in mind from behind the scenes irrespective of the whims or political proclivity of the new figurehead.

I must admit though that people who believe a President has absolute power are very out of touch with reality.
How many puppet regimes has the US put in place around the World over the Years?
It is exactly the same thing for a presidential candidate he is groomed for power not elected and so the choice between candidates may not be so much of a choice as it appears.

 

[mercy]

You're either gonna think Ive really gone overboard or think Rob LOL

Yes I do , but.............. every conspiracy needs and theorist so keep on telling us the good story.