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Marvel Slots... Not So Marvellous after All?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Nate, Feb 28, 2012.

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  1. Nate

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    Been playing a bit of Playtech recently. I have taken a liking to the Marvel branded slots, in particular IronMan 2. Graphics are neat and the Free Spin Round concept is great.

    As with all Slots I play, I seriously have a proper go. I would never play 100 or 200 spins and classify a slot as 'Tight'. In any event, I decided to give IronMan 2 (25 Lines) and IronMan 2 (50 Lines) a proper go at various Playtech Casinos. Initially I though that my continual losses on these slots were down to bad luck and brushed it off. I played bets from 0.25c to 2.50 and sometimes maxing my spins at $5.

    I would trigger the FS randomly from 10 - 500 spins. The majority of wins from the FS's were under 50x bet. I hit the occasional 100x bet and the best was 200x on a $2.50 bet. What was quite trendy on the game was that it would take almost $200 playing $1 to trigger a 50x bet win in the FS. I would go over 1000 spins every time hoping that at some stage I could see a correction - Nothing. I would obviously have a few feature triggers in between but it was extremely difficult in 90% of the times I played to even out or peak $5 above my start balance.

    What also stood out for me was the inability to have even triggered the Random Jackpot feature. Being a predominantly MG player, I found that LOTR triggered the Jackpot wheel more often. I was not able to do this in probably over 10 000 spins with my maximum bet being $5 (I also played in Pounds and Euros).

    I assumed that the game had a high volatility and could have possibly been similar to LOTR. I understood that the RTP was reduced for the Progressive, however; the dry runs did not make sense. I decided to contact Casino Support and inquire about the Variance in order to satisfy my curiosity. Although they were unable to provide me with this info, I was told by a Senior Manager after consulting the technical team that IronMan 2 was set at a92.31 RTP.

    I'm not questioning the Game or the Randomness ... I am actually very disappointed that given the popularity of the game and the infrequent Jackpot games, coupled with a lower top award for the progressive, that this slot is set so low.

    I kinda makes sense why it was never in my best interest to try and pursue a nice hit (Which probably can happen) given the RTP. I'm sure that a few seasoned members could have told me that, but in any event, just sharing :)

    Nate
     
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  2. bpb

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    How else are they going to pay for the licensing fees?

    92% is higher than I would have expected.
     
  3. Nifty29

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    I'm with you on this one Nate.

    I too like some of the playtech marvel games, but they're just too expensive to play in my experience. I've never hit a random there of any size, which isn't that unusual I know, but I don't bet large amounts. Another reason I don't like the progressive system, along with the intercasino version, is that the big jackpots always seem to go to the big players....which is how the thing works, but I can't see the point of playing them when your chances of a decent hit are awfully slim.

    Fantastic Four is another one I like, but, for me, the level of enjoyment quickly became lower than the expense level....and that's exit time in my book.

    I'm not surprised the RTP is ~92%. Depending on whether that figure includes the jackpots, which it should to be accurate, the actual RTP experience will be far lower. In other words, unless you hit some nice progressive wins, you're screwed. It could be especially so considering we don't know the actual RTP % contribution to the progressives....judging by the amounts involved it could be up to 5% which means 87% is probably the best you can do without hitting some jackpots.

    I applaud you for making an intelligent post with reasonable statements based on what you know about slots and your own experience. It's refreshing to read points of view about casinos and their services that don't revolve around slagging them off and shouting "rigged". Nice work.
     
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  4. threescatters

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    I have played a fair bit of these games and I kinda agree. Your money seems to go on them quick. I do like the increasing multiplier on the iron man 2 free spins tho.

    The 92% RTP thing well first of all I am impressed they told you what the exact RTP is and secondly I have read in several places progressive jackpot machines have an RTP quite a bit lower from normal slots. If normal slots are at about 95% then I guess 92% for a prog jackpot is kinda normal. Kudos for asking and getting those figures tho nate.

    Personally I liked the hulk one the best, my money lasted for ages on that one if im honest my rtp was like 100.01% for ages then 99.9% for ages!!

    Also, I never got the jackpot game either. Was playing bets between 1 and 10, mostly around the 5 range. played for many thousands of spins i gave them a proper try like you also nate.
     
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  5. Simmo!

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    I only really play Iron Man 2 and Fantastic Four - dabble with Hulk - and have to say I love them but they can be hot and cold. Iron Man 2 in particular, which I guess is why they made a 50-line version of IM2 and FF to dumb down the variance. Personally I prefer the 20/25-line higher variance versions so I play IM2 less now (you can't change the lines down on the 50line version).

    I am sure the RTP is lower than the other games too but when I play these I don't tend to bet too big and I look for smaller profits. If I can double a 200 deposit for example then it's time to go Great Blue'ing or something. But for a normally high variance player I do like these 3 games.

    As for the RJ's I've had about 6 or so but almost exclusively at Bet365 - 5 of the Tier 1 JP and 1 of the Tier 2. Think 5 of them have been there. I actually think that Bet365 might have slightly looser variants than other casinos. It's only a hunch but I have consistently had better luck on the Marvel games there than anywhere else I have played. It might just be luck of course - will probably never know.

    By the way, did anyone see my thread on the RJ feature and how it is potentially deceptive? I'll bring it in here:

     
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  6. conker

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    Simmo, do you think that you are having more luck on IM2 and FF slots because you have a bit of an out-strategy when you are up? Please post the RJ link, as I would be interested to see what points you have made.
     
  7. Nate

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    What I have noticed is that a Random Win coincides with me getting the feature or 2 scatters on IronMan 2. Probably just coincidence that I am taking note of it as there are occasions that there is a RJ win and there are no scatters :)

    What were your actual bet sizes when you triggered those hits Simon?

    Anyone else care to share their biggest hit ( Y x Bet ?) - Mine as stipulated was 200x, but I can assure you it feels to have a higher variance than BDBA at times - Could this also be to do with the RTP rather than the variance?

    Nate

     
  8. immortality

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    My biggest win from FS on FF, was x300 bet of £1, I don't like Iron Man 2, the graphics are really cool though, IDK just not my sort of thing:D, I love FF though, the free spins on it are totally unique;)
     
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  9. Simmo!

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    Yes for sure - it makes you feel like you won even if overall you didn't. They are good games for my "50 spins, increase the bet, etc" strategy.

    Between $5 and $8 Mate :D
     
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  10. Tengil

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    Would think that the Marvel slots can be configured at different RTPs just as every other Playtech slot.

    So at one place you face a 5% HE while at another one you can face a 8% HE etc.

    Marvel JPs are of course much harder to hit than MM ones due to the amounts being much higher for the 2 lower tiers. FWIW have hit 6 or 7 Marvel JPs of which 2 were second tiers. Bets ranged from 1€ to 12.50€, the highest two at 1€. EDIT: by second tier, the second lowest. Both a bit under 2k.

    And generally Playtech slots are much more volatile than MG. Overall I have done extremely well at Marvel slots, actually the best at any slots during past years.
     
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  11. immortality

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    As a matter of interest, which casino where you playing at when you hit these RJ's, please let us know:cool:

    And you won a second tier JP betting just 1 euro? very nice as Borat would say :D
     
  12. Tengil

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    Edited my post as I did mean the second lowest. Still good wins with 1€ bets.
     
  13. Simmo!

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    Just in case there was any doubt, I ran a quick side-by-side last night and noticed that all 4 jackpots are networked. I had thought that the smallest two might be local, but they don't appear to be as they were being won simultaneously.
     
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  14. Nifty29

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    Out of interest, where did you get the information about playtech RTP operator options? Do you have a link? I don't remember reading anything to that effect?
     
  15. incrediblestuff

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    @ Nate,

    I also have hit a minor jackpot once, betting minimum, an must say that my experience ith them is quite good.
    I have ofc. also had dry runs, nothing out of the ordinairy though.
    I`m an endurance spinner like yourselg, so rest assured my opinion is also based an a proper try.
    The best returns i always got on x men and ironman 1, that slot has some potential.
    For comparison, i followed your lead into 32Red, and increased my business there, leading to a Club Rouge membership, awesome contact with Pat, and there i tried all the slots you posted winning screens off (no im not a groupie :p), my experience on those, are similar to my experiences on the marvel jackpot slots.
    However, i still say that sometimes, a certain slot is not meant for you... luck is strange, so if for instance you give a slot like ironman 2 a proper try, even through various casinos, and it keeps on being a tight ass, maybe give up.
    Always easier said then done though:)
    Hope your luck turns on those slots soon!
     
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  16. Nate

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    I have received some more feedback with regards to the RTP's on Marvel slots:

    In a Nutshell they are: (I'm still waiting to confirm IF these are including or excluding the Progressive Increment)

    Fantastic Four 25 Line - 94.88%
    Fantastic Four 50 Line - 91.99%

    The Incredible Hulk 25 Line - 94.82%.
    The Incredible Hulk 50 Line - 91.00%

    Iron Man 25 Line - 94.89%,
    Iron Man 2 25 Line - 95.98%,
    Iron Man 2 50 Line - 92.31%

    X-Men 25 Line - 95.02%

    Daredevil 20 Line - 94.94%

    Blade 20 Line - 95.01%

    Elektra 20 Line - 94.94%

    Nate
     
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  17. Nifty29

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    Thanks Nate.

    Are these the theoretical RTPs or the actual RTPs?
     
  18. Nate

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    If my understanding of the difference of the two is correct: (Somebody please correct me if I am wrong)

    Theoretical should be what the Casino sets it to - In this case as stated above.

    The Actual RTP would be what the game is currently standing on from a Casino standpoint. I.e> It could have a Theoretical RTP of 95.00% but the Actual RTP based on game play overall is 93%.

    Nate
     
  19. Greigssy

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    Not so Marvellous is the X-men slot that just doesnt want to give out bonuses.Seriously been playing it regular for weeks and today was the first time I had the free spins bonus and Its terrrible,its basically just the base game for around about 20 spins.

    Was expecting more from this slot as all the other Marvel slots have unique and interesting bonuses,Fantastic Four having the best bonuses of the lot but this can be tight also.

    Its about time they released a new Marvel Slot.The avengers movie is out soon,maybe it could be that.
     
  20. Nifty29

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    Yup that's pretty much it.
     

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