Expired Promo L&L Europe Unlucky Leaderboard Promo

[curremon]

I would like that outcome

 

[geordiecolin]

From the previous posts I believe nobody has a problem with 300 spins for the week (0.10 min bet) and maybe 800 for the month.

That is way too low for me. It still puts those who wish to abuse the integrity of the promo at an advantage

 

[Kroffe]

I mean what would you do if you had done 499 spins with a really crappy rtp then suddenly hit a jackpot spin of say 10000x I'm sure you wouldn't keep spinning just to lower your RTP. Same also applies if you spin 500 times with a really crappy rtp your unlikely to redeposit and chase your loses.

I have won two weekly and one monthly, and made suggestions on amount of spins that would probably go against me personally but as I said before it's a game. If the rules are changed then so be it. It won't change the way I play.

Well thats the thing, i dont stop playing even if i hit for example a wildline on doa.
Sure, i might stop for the day, but im probably back spinning the next day.

The way it is now its impossible to win any of the prizes unless you play specifically to get low rtp.
The changes i have proposed would also be better for the L&L brand, since it would reward loyalty instead of rewarding the minimum amount of spins made.

Making 500 spins at 10p a pop on 30%rtp is not a hard thing to do, but carries a greater risk than it does now.
Since if you dont win top-prize for that week, you will be down alot.
Making it so that "normal" play has a chance at actually getting a prize.

 

[curremon]

Thats true. 100 spins is really too low and makes it "easy" to just try to lose 10€ on bad game. 500 spins makes you atleast play amount of the first prize

 

[Kroffe]

I know my changes may seem self-serving, and they are, but not only.
90% of my play now is 9p spins that would not be counted if the rules i proposed gets implemented.

Would force me to highroll at 10p.

 

[nikantw]

That is way too low for me. It still puts those who wish to abuse the integrity of the promo at an advantage

I said 300 because of people like Colin that like to make higher bets and also suggested that 500 was too much.

Also perhaps a 500 requirement would scare away new players that want to take part.

 

[thr0b]

Keep it the same. It works well as it is.

 

[Scott1baird]

If the minimum number of spins is 100 per week how exactly is only doing 100 spins taking advantage? I didn't complain the week I hit over 1000 spins and didn't win anything. But can people stop trying to say the people who have won a few times so far are against changing the rules. We aren't it's a comp and if the rules change its all good. I don't actualy think anyone has said don't change the rules once in fact myself and nikan and a couple of other winners of the comp have actualy put forward harder reqs to win or loose, no one is going to be happy %100 with any rules. Change the rules I don't actualy care just make sure that it's still fair to all and not just the ones that can spin and spin and spin, or redeposit ten times a day. No one is making anyone spin 100 times and the same applies no one is making you spin 10,000 times its a personal choice.

 

[Scott1baird]

Thats true. 100 spins is really too low and makes it "easy" to just try to lose 10€ on bad game. 500 spins makes you atleast play amount of the first prize

Don't forget you have to deposit £20 and wager £20 for your spins to count.

 

[Scott1baird]

For the monthly part, Do you need to take part in all four weeks? I think that would be fair for the big monthly wins.

Aha found it lol I suggested this back in September.

 

[colinsunderland]

I dont think its over complicated.
But in the end its up to jan to decide if any changes are made.

As a sidenote tho, i see the people winning most now are the same people most hesistant to put in new rules.

Thats a bit unfair.
I am playing no different than I do at any other time, and at any other casino. You know, how people are supposed to play. Jan is welcome to confirm that by looking at my accounts before and during the comp. Playing the same games, same stakes. I spent £124 this week, thats hardly advantage play, unless I'm extremely stupid to pay £124 to win £25.
I think Jan should leave the rules the same and ban anyone for playing to win, which I presume is pretty obvious looking at accounts, if anyone is. Or suspend them for say 2 weeks and ban for a second offence.

Thanks for the prize this week Jan

 

[Scott1baird]

Thats a bit unfair.
I am playing no different than I do at any other time, and at any other casino. You know, how people are supposed to play. Jan is welcome to confirm that by looking at my accounts before and during the comp. Playing the same games, same stakes. I spent £124 this week, thats hardly advantage play, unless I'm extremely stupid to pay £124 to win £25.
I think Jan should leave the rules the same and ban anyone for playing to win, which I presume is pretty obvious looking at accounts, if anyone is. Or suspend them for say 2 weeks and ban for a second offence.

Or even make it you can't win twice in a row.

 

[thr0b]

Totally agree. I’ve got a limit of £20pw on AllBritish, and that was the same before. I mainly play Bonanza and DOA2. Always have.

sometimes I win a bit. Sometimes I don’t. If I do well from those games, I know I won’t. It’s all cool.

 

[Kroffe]

Thats a bit unfair.
I am playing no different than I do at any other time, and at any other casino. You know, how people are supposed to play. Jan is welcome to confirm that by looking at my accounts before and during the comp. Playing the same games, same stakes. I spent £124 this week, thats hardly advantage play, unless I'm extremely stupid to pay £124 to win £25.
I think Jan should leave the rules the same and ban anyone for playing to win, which I presume is pretty obvious looking at accounts, if anyone is. Or suspend them for say 2 weeks and ban for a second offence.

Thanks for the prize this week Jan

Whats unfair?
With the rules i proposed, you would still have won second prize.
Literally nothing would have changed for you.

 

[Luckyscouser45]

To be really honest without opening a can of worms it does seem a few people are blatantly playing the minimum and not playing how they would normally play in a session

 

[thr0b]

I’m sure Jan can spot “unfair” play. And stick a rule in about that.

 

[Kroffe]

To be really honest without opening a can of worms it does seem a few people are blatantly playing the minimum and not playing how they would normally play in a session

 

[Kroffe]

To change the topic into something a bit more Hoff-related.
Could you maybe implement the autoplay settings on your novomatics?

On some sites the novo slots will give me a pop-up when i press autoplay, forcing me to choose number of spins+loss amount accepted.
On Fun casino i press auto and away it goes, not stopping unless it hits the bonus.

I may or may not have gotten lost in youtube-videos and forgot about the autoplay running.

 

[irish-ranger]

To be really honest without opening a can of worms it does seem a few people are blatantly playing the minimum and not playing how they would normally play in a session

Corse they are but that was always going to happen I haven’t changed my playing style since I started this comp and every week I’m always sitting in the top 3 of the losers with over 3000 spins p w.
I’d rather have an evenings play with my deposit rather than wack 20 in hit napoleon and hope to make the required amount of spins then a wee freebie on Monday.

 

[Kroffe]

Corse they are but that was always going to happen I haven’t changed my playing style since I started this comp and every week I’m always sitting in the top 3 of the losers with over 3000 spins p w.
I’d rather have an evenings play with my deposit rather than wack 20 in hit napoleon and hope to make the required amount of spins then a wee freebie on Monday.

Maybe just reverse the comp
Top 3 highest rtp instead of lowest.
Just need to remove one letter from the name of the comp, and bing bam boom, its done.

Name would make sense then aswell.
Now its more about maneuvering the rules instead about being unlucky.

Also it would remove the incentive to stop playing after 100 spins.
Rtp can always be improved. =)

 

[Kroffe]

After much thinking (not really) i have come up with what i would consider to be a pretty neat change.
The comp could alternate each month.
One month is unlucky leaderboard with no rules changed, next month is lucky leaderboard.

For the lucky leaderboard month i would suggest adding rules of 300-400 min spins for the weekly, and 1200-1600 for the monthly. Min stake 10p.

If anyone comes up with some reason why this is unfair aswell, i give up, i promise.

 

[nikantw]

There are plenty of promotions that reward the "rich" and lucky, like some other current promotions, tournaments and leaderboards. This is something different.

And if you can obviously win a 100 prize after doing almost 4,000 spins, then it has proven that it works well. Especially with the little extra achievement prizes on new games.

However I do feel it will be best if the min number of spins is increased. And if it goes up to 300 per week that isn't too hard to achieve even if you can only deposit 20 euro.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

You lot do my head in, You have an issue with EVERY promo on here and they way it is run this has been going for months,if you do not like the terms then do not play go else where this is just an added bonus for people who like a flutter, why should anyone have to change the lower stakes like 10p just to be able to do e.g 500 spins, Let people play how they want and just stick to then terms stated on the very first post, if its not for you then do not take part.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Personally, I felt an increase in the number of spins would make things a little fairer.

To be honest, I did not think much further than that.

Too much of an increase may limit participation and, as mentioned, may put off new entries.

Spinning for prize qualification or having tiers are good ideas I think but not for this competition - if we change too much it becomes a totally different competition and it seems, generally, the majority are comfortable with the format - min deposit, min weekly spin, min monthly spin, RTP - simple!

A good point has also been raised regarding foul play. Jan has already stated he will police the competition and make no mistake - anybody abusing the rules will be spotted! I think we can all agree our noses are so far into this its going to be hard to get away coughing in the wrong direction. If Jan doesnt spot something i am sure we will 'gently' bring it to his attention as we always do.

The current situation - We have a competition that works and a little something extra that the average players dont. Great inclusion and input into our very own Casinomeister comp. As it stands we are all somewhat happy to participate with the current rules, yes?

I propose just keeping it as it was. Yes, i know I wrenched that worm can open.

Really, we should just trust in Jan to keep it fair.

 

[greylady]

I stay out of these promo's because there is always bitching and accusations flung about, just why would I want to be involved?

Rules are rules and I am a stickler for those being adhered to but there is always someone who wants to change them to suit their own agenda so I just stay out of the comps

 

[Scott1baird]

@L&L-Jan hit this yesterday on Allbritish woo hoo.

 

[Kroffe]

@L&L-Jan Are the different l&l sites counted separately?
If they are, could you add my hyperaccount? Same email as funcasino.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I stay out of these promo's because there is always bitching and accusations flung about, just why would I want to be involved?

Rules are rules and I am a stickler for those being adhered to but there is always someone who wants to change them to suit their own agenda so I just stay out of the comps

Now that we have stopped bitching, you joining in?

Its a great group really. Not bitchy at all.

In fact, we meet regularly and talk about each others strengths and praise achievements. Group hugs, team bondage, i mean bonding. That sort of thing.

We take turns to host. It was little awkward at Kroffe's as we sat on stones in the cave and all he had for snacks and drinks was honey (leaves for toilet paper!). When I hosted we had a blast and everybody loved me. It went swimmingly well and i became really popular with my new friends who all think i am great, not bitchy at all.

 

[Scott1baird]

Now that we have stopped bitching, you joining in?

Its a great group really. Not bitchy at all.

In fact, we meet regularly and talk about each others strengths and praise achievements. Group hugs, team bondage, i mean bonding. That sort of thing.

We take turns to host. It was little awkward at Kroffe's as we sat on stones in the cave and all he had for snacks and drinks was honey (leaves for toilet paper!). When I hosted we had a blast and everybody loved me. It went swimmingly well and i became really popular with my new friends who all think i am great, not bitchy at all.

Next week it's at mine, we all get to sit around a huge campfire and talk about manly things like car engines.

 

[Kroffe]

Now that we have stopped bitching, you joining in?

Its a great group really. Not bitchy at all.

In fact, we meet regularly and talk about each others strengths and praise achievements. Group hugs, team bondage, i mean bonding. That sort of thing.

We take turns to host. It was little awkward at Kroffe's as we sat on stones in the cave and all he had for snacks and drinks was honey (leaves for toilet paper!). When I hosted we had a blast and everybody loved me. It went swimmingly well and i became really popular with my new friends who all think i am great, not bitchy at all.

Honey is better than fishcakes.

 

[irish-ranger]

After last night disillusioned session I could be in with a chance of finishing in the top 5 this week if I can avoid depositing in a red wine induced coma over the weekend..

 

[Luckyscouser45]

You lot do my head in, You have an issue with EVERY promo on here and they way it is run this has been going for months,if you do not like the terms then do not play go else where this is just an added bonus for people who like a flutter, why should anyone have to change the lower stakes like 10p just to be able to do e.g 500 spins, Let people play how they want and just stick to then terms stated on the very first post, if its not for you then do not take part.

Chill

Now that we have stopped bitching, you joining in?

Its a great group really. Not bitchy at all.

In fact, we meet regularly and talk about each others strengths and praise achievements. Group hugs, team bondage, i mean bonding. That sort of thing.

We take turns to host. It was little awkward at Kroffe's as we sat on stones in the cave and all he had for snacks and drinks was honey (leaves for toilet paper!). When I hosted we had a blast and everybody loved me. It went swimmingly well and i became really popular with my new friends who all think i am great, not bitchy at all.

you are absolutely hysterical love a dry sense of humour make me smile everyday

 

[ESCJAMIE]

"throwing in £20" yeah cause you would throw in £20 just to potentially win £10 £20 or £50

 

[Luckyscouser45]

"throwing in £20" yeah cause you would throw in £20 just to potentially win £10 £20 or £50

What are you on about that was a type o I started to type then deleted it :-/ you always pipe up with the little catty comments sort your head out it’s not that serious

 

[Supababe]

"throwing in £20" yeah cause you would throw in £20 just to potentially win £10 £20 or £50

The bigger picture is that throwing in £20 could get you the monthly £250 as well as a weekly prize.....
Perhaps you wanna check back and study the statistics for winners/spin count/ prizes before spouting.
it’s amazing how people claim that they don’t want to be forced to play low stakes when, if you ever notice their winning screen shots in other threads it’s generally totally contradictory.
Now for me, unlucky is player like Nikan who a few weeks ago who made something like 7000 spins and scored about 70%. The natural gravitation towards 97% happens the higher the spin count.

man interesting twist to this comp might be for Jan to set a task... eg lowest rtp from any BTG bonus round, any stake. Or largest number of consecutive losing spins in a row.... I bet he could have some fun thinking of challenges.

 

[Scott1baird]

I love playing low stakes, most of my biggest win have came from low stakes. No joke. 5500x on white rabbit. 10p. My biggest x win ever.

 

[thr0b]

Aye. I got five explorers on BOTD. Playing one line for one penny.

 

[Kroffe]

I love playing low stakes, most of my biggest win have came from low stakes. No joke. 5500x on white rabbit. 10p. My biggest x win ever.

White rabbit has other stakes than 10p???

 

[Scott1baird]

White rabbit has other stakes than 10p???

Once played £500 on 50p stake with no result at all.

 

[Kroffe]

Once played £500 on 50p stake with no result at all.

Ouch!
I never really play it normally.
I buy maybe one or two bonuses a month, no luck so far, but i know it can go crazy, and hopefully one day it will =)

 

[bamberfishcake]

Ouch!
I never really play it normally.
I buy maybe one or two bonuses a month, no luck so far, but i know it can go crazy, and hopefully one day it will =)

Bonus buys are cancelled in the UK but the coins are still collected. Anybody knows what happens when the counter reaches zero, do us UK players get a bonus?

 

[Kroffe]

Bonus buys are cancelled in the UK but the coins are still collected. Anybody knows what happens when the counter reaches zero, do us UK players get a bonus?

Yeah, the bonus activates when it reaches zero.
Atleast thats how it works in extra chilli

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Has Extra Chilli been pulled from UK casinos as I don't seem to be able to find it at the ones I play such as LeoVegas,Rizk,Calzone,Guts,etc?

 

[thr0b]

Has Extra Chilli been pulled from UK casinos as I don't seem to be able to find it at the ones I play such as LeoVegas,Rizk,Calzone,Guts,etc?

depends on who supplies it to them. Some of the providers have disabled the Buy Bonus button, and the game has returned with those.

 

[ESCJAMIE]

What are you on about that was a type o I started to type then deleted it :-/ you always pipe up with the little catty comments sort your head out it’s not that serious

I always pipe up with catty comments "sort" my head out, Who the hell do you think you are, I rarely comment on anything now days so thats BS, and as for my comment about what you put, it is not catty at all, I just can not see anyone spending £20 to potentially win £10 £20 £50 on weekly prizes that is all get a grip

 

[Luckyscouser45]

I always pipe up with catty comments "sort" my head out, Who the hell do you think you are, I rarely comment on anything now days so thats BS, and as for my comment about what you put, it is not catty at all, I just can not see anyone spending £20 to potentially win £10 £20 £50 on weekly prizes that is all get a grip

Ok mate calm down it’s not that serious

 

[nikantw]

On second thought, perhaps there is realy no option (for regulatory reasons) other than increasing the limit at 500 per week, if we want this promotion to stay.

 

[Kroffe]

On second thought, perhaps there is realy no option (for regulatory reasons) other than increasing the limit at 500 per week, if we want this promotion to stay.

How so?

 

[nikantw]

How so?

Possible AML check problems if there isn't enough deposit/gameplay

 

[colinsunderland]

Possible AML check problems if there isn't enough deposit/gameplay

can you expand on that, I can't think of anything in AML that would prevent this comp?