Is this normal play on bonus rounds?

[Molster18]

I do have a few questions as I’m a bit confused regarding a few games I played at MrQ and their response.

Basically, when hitting a bonus on a few games (worms reloaded, Goonies erm erm) the amount you are going to win is added to your balance before the bonus round even completes. Idk if this is normal or not, I do have their reply. I had to not look at my balance on hitting bonus rounds in the end as it spoils it? Not seen this anywhere else. So just would like views? Ivv be e not been playing that long.
Lastly during play this weekend a really weird site just suddenly popped up too and no idea what that was about at all.

I’ve attached worms screenshot and you can see at the bottom the balance, at the top it’s already got the total bonus added before it’s finished.

I hope this makes sense? I’m not an expert on slots at all.

 

[scott dickson]

I've not played those type of blueprint slots for a while but I believe it is normal especially for sites that show your balance on screen outside of the slot window.

There are some other slot providers it will do it with usually ones where the bonus is pre determined red tiger comes to mind can't recall any more.

If you have the option to put the slot in full screen so you can't see the balance at the top it will solve the issue I suppose.

 

[Molster18]

Thanks for your answer, I’ll have a go if I play again there. Just seemed weird but you’ve cleared that up so tyvm

 

[dunover]

Thanks for your answer, I’ll have a go if I play again there. Just seemed weird but you’ve cleared that up so tyvm

Yes, many casinos will change your account balance before the spin or feature finishes.
On all slots the RNG returns a result instantly as soon as you press start, several seconds before the reel animations end. This is immediately worked into your balance.

Some games have predetermined outcomes for the bonus rounds too so the whole result can be added to your balance as soon as the feature begins.

This really pees many players off so they try and move the balance out of sight or cover it up.

 

[mulven]

I do have a few questions as I’m a bit confused regarding a few games I played at MrQ and their response.

Basically, when hitting a bonus on a few games (worms reloaded, Goonies erm erm) the amount you are going to win is added to your balance before the bonus round even completes. Idk if this is normal or not, I do have their reply. I had to not look at my balance on hitting bonus rounds in the end as it spoils it? Not seen this anywhere else. So just would like views? Ivv be e not been playing that long.
Lastly during play this weekend a really weird site just suddenly popped up too and no idea what that was about at all.

I’ve attached worms screenshot and you can see at the bottom the balance, at the top it’s already got the total bonus added before it’s finished.

I hope this makes sense? I’m not an expert on slots at all.
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Often the data is available immediately before all the animations play out. If you were using a man-in-the-middle proxy you'd be able to intercept the results as well.

 

[Molster18]

Yes, many casinos will change your account balance before the spin or feature finishes.
On all slots the RNG returns a result instantly as soon as you press start, several seconds before the reel animations end. This is immediately worked into your balance.

Some games have predetermined outcomes for the bonus rounds too so the whole result can be added to your balance as soon as the feature begins.

This really pees many players off so they try and move the balance out of sight or cover it up.

Thank you and yes it does it takes the fun out of it for me. I’ll have to try and hide it then, I try not to but that’s not easy sometimes. Thx for explaining to all who replied I was a bit worried if it was how it should be, I understand now.

 

[Molster18]

Often the data is available immediately before all the animations play out. If you were using a man-in-the-middle proxy you'd be able to intercept the results as well.

Lost me there sorry, I’m clearly not very with it on these things.

 

[mulven]

Lost me there sorry, I’m clearly not very with it on these things.

It's just a way of intercepting the data in network requests and such, I've used it before to keep track of wagering so I don't need to leave the game to check when it isn't easily visible

 

[Molster18]

It's just a way of intercepting the data in network requests and such, I've used it before to keep track of wagering so I don't need to leave the game to check when it isn't easily visible

Oddly some page appeared while playing over weekend and that was linked to something about R2 buckets and cloud flare which totally lost me thanks for explaining.

 

[snorky510238]

Yes, many casinos will change your account balance before the spin or feature finishes.
On all slots the RNG returns a result instantly as soon as you press start, several seconds before the reel animations end. This is immediately worked into your balance.

Some games have predetermined outcomes for the bonus rounds too so the whole result can be added to your balance as soon as the feature begins.

This really pees many players off so they try and move the balance out of sight or cover it up.

I remember @pinnit2014 getting his balance updated before he’d even pressed spin, on Bonanza. He got logged out as soon as it hit and on logging back in, it was showing in his balance.

For those who are still a bit green (not you, Dunover), there is actually no such thing as a random bonus round. Don’t tell anyone though will you because it’s a secret.

They’re all predetermined and so is every spin. It’s all done with programmed software. Most Casinos won’t even know what a random number generator is. What players get told is total and utter bollox and anyone with a bit of experience, can see it a mile off.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For those who are still a bit green (not you, Dunover), there is actually no such thing as a random bonus round. Don’t tell anyone though will you because it’s a secret.

They’re all predetermined and so is every spin. It’s all done with programmed software. Most Casinos won’t even know what a random number generator is. What players get told is total and utter bollox and anyone with a bit of experience, can see it a mile off.

I have literally proved this is not the case by doing actual tests with real money balances at real casinos, and videoed the evidence. It's available on my channel for anyone who cares to take a look.

Direct timestamped link:

 

[snorky510238]

You have to ask yourself one question. Slots have always been compensated and those involved were guaranteed a marginal profit. It’s worked since day 1.

Why on earth would providers suddenly over complicate things for no gain whatsoever? Whether a slot is compensated or random, the marginal profit would remain the same.

Even if there is some form of programming that allows a compensated game to be classed as random…..technically, it isn’t. The true definition of random, is that outcomes may not be interfered with, weighted or contrived, in any way.

 

[Lemon]

You have to ask yourself one question. Slots have always been compensated and those involved were guaranteed a marginal profit. It’s worked since day 1.

You've had 7 years on these forums and you come out with stuff like this. Try reading the technical standards and understanding what the definition of a 'random' slot game is within the context of online gambling and how it should behave. You're trying to apply the dictionary definition of the word literally to something more complicated and nuanced.

Just because some games use chance tables that are weighted underneath it doesn't mean you can call that game 'compensated' - it's still a random game in accordance with how such games should function. Each spin is independent from the last and so on. Adjusting the maths to achieve an RTP% of less than 100% is not 'compensation'.

Compensated games modify their behaviour from game to game based on the winning/losing outcomes of previous games. Are you saying online slots do this? I hope you're not...

The closest you'll get to a compensated game in online gambling would be with blackjack where the shoe composition changes with each hand and the player's chances slightly alter. But even then it's only ever a very light deviation from the theoretical RTP%.

And whether a slot bonus round result is decided by a weighted table, uses a scripted routine pulled from a database or simply plays each spin one at a time and gets the results for the next spin after it's finished the last one, it's still a random slot game, that will have been tested and certified within the current guidelines by an approved test house.

You need to learn what the definition of the words 'random' and 'compensated' are within the context of online slots before coming out with the sort of stuff you've posted in this thread. Compensated slots don't exist online because they would be illegal and therefore wouldn't even get certification.

You're risking confusing people new to online slots and derailing a perfectly good thread

 

[satchnz]

The closest you'll get to a compensated game in online gambling would be with blackjack where the shoe composition changes with each hand and the player's chances slightly alter. But even then it's only ever a very light deviation from the theoretical RTP%.

I guess this would only be applicable to live games pulled from a physical shoe? Video blackjack would probably work from a new shuffle before every hand is played. On this assumption I don’t play video blackjack. It’s just like playing a slot.

 

[Lemon]

I guess this would only be applicable to live games pulled from a physical shoe? Video blackjack would probably work from a new shuffle before every hand is played. On this assumption I don’t play video blackjack. It’s just like playing a slot.

That is correct, have a lemon -

 

[Molster18]

I have literally proved this is not the case by doing actual tests with real money balances at real casinos, and videoed the evidence. It's available on my channel for anyone who cares to take a look.

Direct timestamped link:

 

[satchnz]

That is correct, have a lemon -

Thank you!

 

[bet36scam]

I do have a few questions as I’m a bit confused regarding a few games I played at MrQ and their response.

Basically, when hitting a bonus on a few games (worms reloaded, Goonies erm erm) the amount you are going to win is added to your balance before the bonus round even completes. Idk if this is normal or not, I do have their reply. I had to not look at my balance on hitting bonus rounds in the end as it spoils it? Not seen this anywhere else. So just would like views? Ivv be e not been playing that long.
Lastly during play this weekend a really weird site just suddenly popped up too and no idea what that was about at all.

I’ve attached worms screenshot and you can see at the bottom the balance, at the top it’s already got the total bonus added before it’s finished.

I hope this makes sense? I’m not an expert on slots at all.
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I literally wrote to them last week on this element. It totally removes any feeling of “I wonder what I’ve won”. The first time I noted £1890 instantly as the balance was around £7 so the leap was noticeable. Since then I’m just used to knowing what the outcome is before on some slots. Now the annoying part of knowing early also occurs on the online Blackjack. That element I don’t want to go into great detail as there’s an exploitable edge around when dealer has blackjack. Unlike the slots where it is what it is the blackjack side of them deciding an outcome pre-flop is annoying and I have taken this further despite the constant & generic “our games are regulated and random”. I don’t like that I know when the dealer has a blackjack in the reverse and cannot do anything about it. For example the edge happens when dealer has Ace and a face down. The problem is when they have a face card and I know you cannot insure so a guaranteed lose regardless. That said the point was knowing an outcome diminshes
The fun and yet they refuse to remove it on MrQ and the other operators using those game providers. So clear they have no control as such neither do we as players.

 

[winner2021]

Yeah I play slingo and the bonus amount goes on before I've picked anything. In fact the anticipation is all about looking at how much my balance jumps rather than the bonus. But then I love a spoiler can see how it'd ruin it a bit for others though. It doesn't happen on the "free spins" bonus slots (not that I've noticed anyway) so maybe you could try those instead?

 

[Milaroy]

Some slots use a system where the total bonus win is credited to your balance as soon as the bonus round starts. This isn’t very common, but a few slots do it. Instead of adding each spin’s winnings as they happen, the game calculates the total amount you’ll win at the start and immediately credits it to your balance.

 

[L&L-Jan]

Not sure why I've missed this. I have always on Pragmatic big wins, see win added to balance before animation is done. Care. I won.

 

[Molster18]

I literally wrote to them last week on this element. It totally removes any feeling of “I wonder what I’ve won”. The first time I noted £1890 instantly as the balance was around £7 so the leap was noticeable. Since then I’m just used to knowing what the outcome is before on some slots. Now the annoying part of knowing early also occurs on the online Blackjack. That element I don’t want to go into great detail as there’s an exploitable edge around when dealer has blackjack. Unlike the slots where it is what it is the blackjack side of them deciding an outcome pre-flop is annoying and I have taken this further despite the constant & generic “our games are regulated and random”. I don’t like that I know when the dealer has a blackjack in the reverse and cannot do anything about it. For example the edge happens when dealer has Ace and a face down. The problem is when they have a face card and I know you cannot insure so a guaranteed lose regardless. That said the point was knowing an outcome diminshes
The fun and yet they refuse to remove it on MrQ and the other operators using those game providers. So clear they have no control as such neither do we as players.

Makes perfect sense and yh the first time I noticed a large rise in my balance and wondered if the game had an error iykwim. Without bonus rounds I wouldn’t play them at all. I’ve no clue what blackjack even is.

 

[Molster18]

Some slots use a system where the total bonus win is credited to your balance as soon as the bonus round starts. This isn’t very common, but a few slots do it. Instead of adding each spin’s winnings as they happen, the game calculates the total amount you’ll win at the start and immediately credits it to your balance.

Which is exactly what was happening with goonies and worms reloaded. I think it’s just those two. I find it really annoying so I’m not playing them anymore. I’ve got “hey you guys” going round on a loop in my brain now

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Worms Reloaded is a mighty fine game, shame the RTP is so shit. Is it the Jackpot King version they have at Mr Q? I play it at VS because they still have autoplay for me.

It's also one of my favourite games on the Blueprint cabs in the pub.

 

[mmoretti11]

I do have a few questions as I’m a bit confused regarding a few games I played at MrQ and their response.

Basically, when hitting a bonus on a few games (worms reloaded, Goonies erm erm) the amount you are going to win is added to your balance before the bonus round even completes. Idk if this is normal or not, I do have their reply. I had to not look at my balance on hitting bonus rounds in the end as it spoils it? Not seen this anywhere else. So just would like views? Ivv be e not been playing that long.
Lastly during play this weekend a really weird site just suddenly popped up too and no idea what that was about at all.

I’ve attached worms screenshot and you can see at the bottom the balance, at the top it’s already got the total bonus added before it’s finished.

I hope this makes sense? I’m not an expert on slots at all.

Yeah, some Blueprint Gaming slots, like Worms Reloaded and The Goonies, pre-calculate bonus winnings and add them to your balance early,it’s normal for those games but does spoil the suspense. As for the weird site popping up, it could be a random ad, casino glitch, or redirect, so if it happens again, maybe check for malware or reach out to MrQ support.