Is this an error?

[Stovetopp]

I might need doggieboy to answer this for me...Yesterday I was playing Achilles at Jackpot Capital

I got 4 Achilles as shown below and was only paid $1.58..Just for the hell of it ,I just checked and 4 Achilles says 2500 2500 what? I was playing 40cents per spin . Can someone explain this to me?
This was posted in the suck section of screenshots and appropiately called suck

 

[Jasminebed]

Stovetop, I believe that that figure of 2500 for four achilles would be four achilles on a pay line, starting with the left-most reel.

 

[rockycatt]

if that icon is wild then he got 5 of something on one line and other hits also

if its wild?? because there blinking thats why there not showing up

and from the bottom right its five aces ??

so i think he may have two lines with five of a kind if thats a wild and it would be both aces i believe ??

its wild

 

[silcnlayc]

I got 4 Achilles as shown below

They trigger the bonus round. To be paid the amount you are looking at , the scatter wilds need to be on a payline, left to right.

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[rockycatt]

They trigger the bonus round. To be paid the amount you are looking at , the scatter wilds need to be on a payline, left to right.

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please read the rules on the screen shot <3
says when three or more achilles apear any were during normal rounds you pick them for bonus spins plus
achilles is wild in the pay out ledgend ,the castles trigger the rounds , do you agree ,[with love rocky ]

 

[silcnlayc]

rockycattlease read the rules on the screen shot <3
says when three or more achilles apear any were during normal rounds you pick them for bonus spins plus
achilles is wild in the pay out ledgend ,the castles trigger the rounds , do you agree ,[with love rocky ]

Yes rockycatt , isn't that what I said? To get to the bonus round, you need 3 wilds (scattered) which triggers it. (or 3 castles)

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[rockycatt]

I might need doggieboy to answer this for me...Yesterday I was playing Achilles at Jackpot Capital

I got 4 Achilles as shown below and was only paid $1.58..Just for the hell of it ,I just checked and 4 Achilles says 2500 2500 what? I was playing 40cents per spin . Can someone explain this to me?
This was posted in the suck section of screenshots and appropiately called suck

is this your actual hit?? that your refering to ? or is it a pic of someone elses from the suck thread

 

[vinylweatherman]

It's confusing, but the 4 Achilles paid NOTHING for their "scatter" positioning, and payment was received only because they substituted for wilds, and formed winning combinations. Troy symbols ALSO trigger free spins, and pay for their "scatter" positioning.
The layout in the rules page can make it look like both Troy and Achilles act as true "scatters", paying accordingly. This could lead to an expectation of 2500 payout for the 4 scattered Achilles symbols.

It's no error, the payout received is correct, 2500 is not due. In scatter paytable terminology, this would mean 2500xBET, pretty unlikely on any slot, even for FIVE.

 

[rockycatt]

REGUARDLESS THERES A TON OF HIT'S ON THE oP'S pic to only get one dollar and 58/cents

buy reading the general payought ledger im might be confused

but im handsome

 

[Slotster!]

REGUARDLESS THERES A TON OF HIT'S ON THE oP'S pic to only get one dollar and 58/cents

This.

Forgetting any features etc - surely if those are wild, you're gonna expect more than a little over 3x back.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

sorry removed

 

[vinylweatherman]

This.

Forgetting any features etc - surely if those are wild, you're gonna expect more than a little over 3x back.

It's RTG, those slots are TIGHT!!

 

[Stovetopp]

is this your actual hit?? that your refering to ? or is it a pic of someone elses from the suck thread

Its my actual hit which I posted on the suck thread yesterday along with the feature win of $5.00 + YUK
However I did get em back with 5 helens today playing $1.00 per spin I posted this on thr winning screen shot thread

 

[DogBoy001]

I got 4 Achilles as shown below and was only paid $1.58..Just for the hell of it ,I just checked and 4 Achilles says 2500 2500 what? I was playing 40cents per spin . Can someone explain this to me?

Heya,

Achilles is a substitute symbol, and as stated "Achilles substitutes for all other symbols except scatters"
As a normal substitute symbol it will pay from left to right on a pay line, as per normal pay line hits.
In this case, if you had lined up the 4 Achilles from reel 1 through to reel 4, on a line, it would have awarded its listed line prize.

Quite separate to this, the Achilles can appear anywhere to trigger their feature.
Note the wording difference between the 2 feature trigger statements, specifically worded to avoid the impression that Achilles is a scatter symbol.

Hope it helps

if that icon is wild then he got 5 of something on one line and other hits also if its wild?? because there blinking thats why there not showing up

and from the bottom right its five aces ??
so i think he may have two lines with five of a kind if thats a wild and it would be both aces i believe ??
its wild

Yes, it's a wild symbol.

No, the screenshot shown does not seem to indicate a line pay of 5 Aces
The symbol above Achilles on reel 4 would be a 10.
I don't know what was on reel 1, but the bottom symbol on reel 3 would have been a K, since the reel strips are in a set order.

It's confusing, but the 4 Achilles paid NOTHING for their "scatter" positioning

Yes, because they are not a scatter

, and payment was received only because they substituted for wilds, and formed winning combinations.

Yes, because they are a wild

Troy symbols ALSO trigger free spins, and pay for their "scatter" positioning.

yes, because the Troy symbol is a scatter

The layout in the rules page can make it look like both Troy and Achilles act as true "scatters", paying accordingly.

I have to disagree, one's labelled "Substitute", one's labelled "Scatter"...titles that are used across the reel series games where applicable.
The substitute statement clearly indicates that "Achilles substitutes for all symbols except scatters"

Woooof

 

[vinylweatherman]

Heya,

Achilles is a substitute symbol, and as stated "Achilles substitutes for all other symbols except scatters"
As a normal substitute symbol it will pay from left to right on a pay line, as per normal pay line hits.
In this case, if you had lined up the 4 Achilles from reel 1 through to reel 4, on a line, it would have awarded its listed line prize.

Quite separate to this, the Achilles can appear anywhere to trigger their feature.
Note the wording difference between the 2 feature trigger statements, specifically worded to avoid the impression that Achilles is a scatter symbol.

Hope it helps



Yes, it's a wild symbol.

No, the screenshot shown does not seem to indicate a line pay of 5 Aces
The symbol above Achilles on reel 4 would be a 10.
I don't know what was on reel 1, but the bottom symbol on reel 3 would have been a K, since the reel strips are in a set order.



Yes, because they are not a scatter



Yes, because they are a wild




yes, because the Troy symbol is a scatter



I have to disagree, one's labelled "Substitute", one's labelled "Scatter"...titles that are used across the reel series games where applicable.The substitute statement clearly indicates that "Achilles substitutes for all symbols except scatters"

Woooof

I was talking about LAYOUT, and not the WORDING used. The Troy scatters paytable is in the top right, and for Achilles it is top left, both SEPARATE from the other paytables for lesser symbols. Glancing quickly at the layout, and not reading the wording, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that the Troy and Achilles paytables represent scatter payouts. This is what THIS player did, and had to ask here for clarification about the difference. Had he not been thus confused, this thread would not exist.

Most slots, especially older ones, are much simpler, and some confusion can be caused by carrying these simple assumptions over to new games with more complex structure to their bonus games. The trend is towards slots with more involved bonus games, so reading & understanding the rules becomes ever more important.

 

[Stovetopp]

I was talking about LAYOUT, and not the WORDING used. The Troy scatters paytable is in the top right, and for Achilles it is top left, both SEPARATE from the other paytables for lesser symbols. Glancing quickly at the layout, and not reading the wording, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that the Troy and Achilles paytables represent scatter payouts. This is what THIS player did, and had to ask here for clarification about the difference. Had he not been thus confused, this thread would not exist. Most slots, especially older ones, are much simpler, and some confusion can be caused by carrying these simple assumptions over to new games with more complex structure to their bonus games. The trend is towards slots with more involved bonus games, so reading & understanding the rules becomes ever more important.

Honestly, whenever I get 2 or more Achilles I get wxcited..I have always gotten good scores wirth Achilles but I guess they were just acting as
SUBSTITUTES" to make a winning combination...One has to admit however, its quite unusual to get 4 substitutes or in this case "wilds" and didn't line up one winning combination to write about Thanks all for explanation

 

[DogBoy001]

Honestly, whenever I get 2 or more Achilles I get wxcited..I have always gotten good scores wirth Achilles but I guess they were just acting as
SUBSTITUTES" to make a winning combination...One has to admit however, its quite unusual to get 4 substitutes or in this case "wilds" and didn't line up one winning combination to write about Thanks all for explanation

It was certainly an unlikely line-up, not to hit anything!

I was certainly happy to see that you hit that 5 Helens later on

Woooof

 

[DogBoy001]

I was talking about LAYOUT, and not the WORDING used. The Troy scatters paytable is in the top right, and for Achilles it is top left, both SEPARATE from the other paytables for lesser symbols. Glancing quickly at the layout, and not reading the wording, it is easy to jump to the conclusion that the Troy and Achilles paytables represent scatter payouts.

Very, very selective VWM

Have you looked at layouts for umpteen Micro slots?

Go into any number of them, Avalon, Bearly Fishing, Celtic Crown, Path of the Penguin...

Top left and top right locations, slightly distinct from the rest of the paytable, is an industry norm dating back to Aristocrat.

Woooof

 

[Kenny Lingus]

I got 4 Achilles as shown below and was only paid $1.58......

This was posted in the suck section of screenshots and appropiately called suck

REGUARDLESS (sic) THERES A TON OF HIT'S ON THE OP'S pic to only get one dollar and 58/cents

It's RTG, those slots are TIGHT!!

Top left and top right locations, slightly distinct from the rest of the paytable, is an industry norm dating back to Aristocrat.

And sh*tty payouts are most definitely the RTG norm dating back to, well, the advent of RTG slots!

 

[DogBoy001]

It's RTG, those slots are TIGHT!!

And sh*tty payouts are most definitely the RTG norm dating back to, well, the advent of RTG slots!

I would think it worthwhile to stick to the topic at hand: Answering the question in relation to why the screenshot paid what it paid.

One really has to wonder about the ongoing validity of a forum where responses and information from industry providers is met with unrelated sniping.

If you want to start a thread on your esteemed opinion of RTG slots then go ahead and do that, show some class and don't take potshots within a thread designed to answer a question.

Woooof

 

[Kenny Lingus]

I would think it worthwhile to stick to the topic at hand: Answering the question in relation to why the screenshot paid what it paid.

One really has to wonder about the ongoing validity of a forum where responses and information from industry providers is met with unrelated sniping.

If you want to start a thread on your esteemed opinion of RTG slots then go ahead and do that, show some class and don't take potshots within a thread designed to answer a question.

Woooof

First of all, the OP, if I read the post correctly, actually had included two topics in the post. The first was that they did not understand the payout for the Achilles symbols. The second, was that the payout "sucked", considering that a) there were 4 wilds and multiple paylines, and b) that they got less than a 4x return on their bet.

Secondly, in addition to vinylweatherman and myself, other members, such as rockycat and Slotster, also commented in this thread about the incredulously low return that the OP experienced. I guess all of us were wrong in our interpretation of the intent of this thread, or you are being a tad overbearing. Thank goodness you are not the moderator here.

Finally, as far as I am concerned, you have been nothing but a bit of a shill concerning RTG in any of the posts of yours that I have read. Supposedly, you have done some programming on some of their slots, or something like that. I guess you are proud of your work, and that is all well and fine. But that doesn't give you a monopoly on opinions about RTG, nor does it give you the right to be as condescending as you sound.

 

[DogBoy001]

First of all, the OP, if I read the post correctly, actually had included two topics in the post. The first was that they did not understand the payout for the Achilles symbols. The second, was that the payout "sucked"

And was, as the poster noted, put in the appropriate "suck" forum, which is where your snipes belong.

Finally, as far as I am concerned, you have been nothing but a bit of a shill concerning RTG in any of the posts of yours that I have read.

I have answered technical questions where asked, and stated from the outset my relationship.
Unlike some posters.

Anyone can post a belittling comment, but as always with such things it detracts from legitimate conversation without adding anything of value.

Woooof

 

[Nifty29]

I would think it worthwhile to stick to the topic at hand: Answering the question in relation to why the screenshot paid what it paid.

One really has to wonder about the ongoing validity of a forum where responses and information from industry providers is met with unrelated sniping.

If you want to start a thread on your esteemed opinion of RTG slots then go ahead and do that, show some class and don't take potshots within a thread designed to answer a question.

Woooof

I agree with The Hound.

He always posts helpful, technical information that operators themselves WONT post....and I always learn something from him.

We should be grateful that he bothers to do it....its not like he's a casino rep or anything so there's nothing in it for him.

Please dont be an ass or we will all lose the benefit of some inside information from an actual slot designer.

 

[Kenny Lingus]

And was, as the poster noted, put in the appropriate "suck" forum, which is where your snipes belong.

I have answered technical questions where asked, and stated from the outset my relationship.
Unlike some posters.

Anyone can post a belittling comment, but as always with such things it detracts from legitimate conversation without adding anything of value.

Woooof

I agree with The Hound.

He always posts helpful, technical information that operators themselves WONT post....and I always learn something from him.

We should be grateful that he bothers to do it....its not like he's a casino rep or anything so there's nothing in it for him.

Please dont be an ass or we will all lose the benefit of some inside information from an actual slot designer.

Wow. This will be my last post on this subject in this thread, because I don't wish to start a war of words. But I feel I must defend myself, as well as other posters here.

Dogboy has no right to chide me or vwm or anyone else for that matter because our post did not fit the standard that he is looking for. According to him, this thread is supposed to be only about how the Achilles game pays out. But at least 4 posters (including myself) commented on the pathetic payout that the OP recieved, after the OP themselves said that the screenie was posted in the SSTS thread, so obviously the OP thought it "sucked". So I submit that our comments were well within the subject frame of this thread, and belong here just as much as Dogboy's comments.

Further, I have made no comment on the value that Dogboy brings to this forum. I have learned a thing or two from his posts, and I have made no comment that his posts have been inaccurate or misleading or not worthy. As far as I am concerned, he is certainly a informative poster with a bit of an "insider's" background.

But I do have a different problem with some of his posts, in that many of them are condescending in an antagonostic way. He has basically said to me in this thread:

- You should have only posted your reply to this thread where I think it belongs.

- I provide technical information, unlike you who posts unneccessary and derogatory comments, which anyone can do....(meaning, what - my opinions are worthless?)

- You have shown no class, and it makes someone like me, a industry proffessional, wonder about the worthiness of posting in this forum....

Now if that isn't condescending, then buy me a new dictionary!

Buuuuuuuurp!