is it the losing or is it the rtp%

[aceking123]

hi all

right lets get down to the nitty gritty

i myself dont have any real problems spending money & losing , this is part of gambling we all understand it ,no one tells you to do it .

but how many here find it more & more frustrating when your rtp% isnt going anywhere im not just talking a month im talking from 2 moths plus of rtp% around 60% hundreds & hundreds of spins played same machines, different machines you know the score .

is there any real point in playing online any longer , im at the point to where i still enjoy a good gamble but think you know what this seems to be getting tighter & tighter , ive taken on board what some over members are doing by laying back picking when to play & when not too , with bonus ev etc etc , but i do think maybe im getting a little bored without any gaming time , it seems even at small stakes its burning through spins like there going out of fashion

i would to know from other members how your all doing in regards to current playtime with mg, playtech , netent ? ?

 

[nisosbar]

My current short list of casinos is 3Dice and iNetbet, and any of the Sloto casinos - reason being 1) a very acceptable RTP (if perhaps non-ideal from a player's perspective); and 2) no hassle, reliable withdrawals.

I trust all three providers to offer a fair game, so I don't believe in these cases it's the RTP.

I just came off of a 9 month losing streak - it really stunk. That's not to say I'm either currently winning or ahead, just that I've managed a couple modest withdrawals over the last couple weeks. Definitely I think the answer is you must be on a losing streak.

When was your last withdrawal, and from where?

 

[aceking123]

last couple of withdrawals in last two weeks or so is at bet-at & bingo liner 100 & 220 the playtime is a struggle im not getting any & the balance just goes like water ,at bottom stakes just a bit of fun not looking for massive returns just a good play thats it .

 

[ProbabilityZero]

If your main focus is playtime why not ensure you are on a low to medium variance slot like Avalon where you can spin for a penny if you wish

 

[aceking123]

If your main focus is playtime why not ensure you are on a low to medium variance slot like Avalon where you can spin for a penny if you wish

tried that one & thunder struck both not so good what i mean by low stakes is minium bets at max lines ,, got a little playtime on silver fang , pretty much everything else is kinda over quickly

 

[chayton]

I'm on a huge losing streak and it definitely sucks. TBH if things don't change for me soon I'm thinking it's time to pack it in.

 

[ProbabilityZero]

I love immortal romance. I get what you mean as Avalon just doesn't provide the same thrill. I think high variance slots like immortal romance are bonus killers though. Even if you strike lucky after a deposit you are still highly unlikely to make it through a 30x wager requirement. However.....

I am new to online gambling. I deposited 50 at 32red which with their 320% first deposit match gave me 210. I lost the first hundred quickly on immortal romance at 30p a spin.... After 1100 spins I was down 100 and realised that I wasn't even meeting 4 x wager requirement let alone 30.

I then played Avalon at low stakes and managed to win £56 on a 3p spin by gettin 7x payout on 5oak on free spins

Gradually list a lot more and was down to £60. Looked like I was gonna bust out so thought may as well go back to high variance as would never meet WR when I was so low on funds with huge wager ahead. Then I had three decent wins on immortal romance and currently back at over £200.again. So although you can't determine slots there is strategy in bonus play

 

[maxwall]

What really value has the luck while gambling online?

how much influence does luck when I have a high RTP?

let's say I have a 98% RTP ... I then had a lot of luck or ??

so often >luck< get many many freespins , bonusgames etc.... but the return often so very bad >noluck<


sometimes(1x every year ) those questions go through my head



sorry for my bad english

 

[ProbabilityZero]

What really value has the luck while gambling online?

how much influence does luck when I have a high RTP?

let's say I have a 98% RTP ... I then had a lot of luck or ??

so often >luck< get many many freespins , bonusgames etc.... but the return often so very bad >noluck<


sometimes(1x every year ) those questions go through my head



sorry for my bad english

Exactly.... Even though I've been lucky I'm perfectly aware that the more I play the more that good luck will be negated by bad luck and I will be closer to rtp..... However whilst I like the thrill of a big real win I just love slots and even have fun on practice mode. I love probability and it's that geekiness that makes slots heaven or me win or lose.... I know that as my main hobby is slots then any big win would be spent in slots which I'm well aware makes it kind of pointless

 

[rockycatt]

its the worst of times [ the F'N, STATES may find there party/ celebration of slot revenue just stood up like a ugly duck going to a prom that would be poetic justice huh

 

[asadzareef89]

hi all

right lets get down to the nitty gritty

i myself dont have any real problems spending money & losing , this is part of gambling we all understand it ,no one tells you to do it .

but how many here find it more & more frustrating when your rtp% isnt going anywhere im not just talking a month im talking from 2 moths plus of rtp% around 60% hundreds & hundreds of spins played same machines, different machines you know the score .

is there any real point in playing online any longer , im at the point to where i still enjoy a good gamble but think you know what this seems to be getting tighter & tighter , ive taken on board what some over members are doing by laying back picking when to play & when not too , with bonus ev etc etc , but i do think maybe im getting a little bored without any gaming time , it seems even at small stakes its burning through spins like there going out of fashion

i would to know from other members how your all doing in regards to current playtime with mg, playtech , netent ? ?

Not so great, after 1 year of continued losing at Omni Casino with around 50-60 deposits and not even lasting 5-10 mins my RTP 40% in that time and 67% overall in 2 years i joined their sister casino FLY around 2 months ago and after 6 deposits my RTP stands around 52%.

The worst part is I only deposit so i can have 2-3 hours of fun but it doesnt seem to last me even 10 mins

 

[Andy Walker]

hi all

right lets get down to the nitty gritty

i myself dont have any real problems spending money & losing , this is part of gambling we all understand it ,no one tells you to do it .

but how many here find it more & more frustrating when your rtp% isnt going anywhere im not just talking a month im talking from 2 moths plus of rtp% around 60% hundreds & hundreds of spins played same machines, different machines you know the score .

is there any real point in playing online any longer , im at the point to where i still enjoy a good gamble but think you know what this seems to be getting tighter & tighter , ive taken on board what some over members are doing by laying back picking when to play & when not too , with bonus ev etc etc , but i do think maybe im getting a little bored without any gaming time , it seems even at small stakes its burning through spins like there going out of fashion

i would to know from other members how your all doing in regards to current playtime with mg, playtech , netent ? ?

Losing and rtp are essentially the same, a slow grind of say 92% over a period is boring where as 108% periods followed by 76% periods over time may give the ups and downs that gamers require, the highs and lows and the “buzz”.

You play the odds, enjoy them for what they are, of conversely don’t, they balance out unless you are incredibly lucky.

It’s no real secret that games are developed and fine-tuned to excite the sense of sound and sight together.

Try playing a slot or other game with the sound muted or the display off on with the game?

 

[shanetospin]

hi all

right lets get down to the nitty gritty

i myself dont have any real problems spending money & losing , this is part of gambling we all understand it ,no one tells you to do it .

but how many here find it more & more frustrating when your rtp% isnt going anywhere im not just talking a month im talking from 2 moths plus of rtp% around 60% hundreds & hundreds of spins played same machines, different machines you know the score .

is there any real point in playing online any longer , im at the point to where i still enjoy a good gamble but think you know what this seems to be getting tighter & tighter , ive taken on board what some over members are doing by laying back picking when to play & when not too , with bonus ev etc etc , but i do think maybe im getting a little bored without any gaming time , it seems even at small stakes its burning through spins like there going out of fashion

i would to know from other members how your all doing in regards to current playtime with mg, playtech , netent ? ?

Hi MrJones

I think you've got it spot on with your analogy, I'm one of the ones who has started to get annoyed at the RTP! I used to be care free on whether I won or lost my money but of late the RTP on MG is beyond the joke! In about two months I've barely made a withdrawal and when I have it has been less than I have deposited in the first place. I've stuck with IR and that for me it is flat dead, but even the other games are exactly the same- Avalon, TSII, Batman! I've requested statistics on the RTP for certain slot games and they always seem to be the average, in the 90%'s and be quite high but I swear to god I've played long enough to know when you feel something a miss! I've had awesome sessions in the past and had around the same RTP than I have had when I've been on a two month loosing streak!

Anyway to cut it short I think it is important for anyone that starts to get annoyed with gambling to cut back or take a break, that is the most sensible thing to do! I've cut back, because when things are on the down and a bad run is lengthy the chances are that your bad run will continue. For me personally, I'm not even that bothered as long as I get some play time out of my deposit, what annoys me on MG games is you can deposit £30 and take a bonus of £30 = £60 and it's gone within the half hour to 40 minute mark, on minimum spin! Whereas say on NetEnt, you can deposit £20 and it will last an hour, although most minimum bets are smaller on NetEnt than MG games!

So my answer to your post is NO! If anyone is getting pissed off and annoyed at not winning then there is absolutely no point in continuing to gamble. Sorry for the rambling on


Shane

 

[sparkz]

It could be just me but I find gaming nowadays a lot tighter than it was.

A few years back I would set myself a target cashout amount. I would either reach it or have fun trying.

Now its full of a lot of inconsistency's. A bit of luck can just change in a split second and before you know it your balance is wiped out.


I think a lot of this could well be down to the higher variance slots which often tend to give diddly squat in the base games.


Look at girls with guns. The base game is the worst I have ever seen. I cant remember exact figures but it pay's sod all. Such as if you hit 5OAK with kings, it doesnt even pay your bet amount back, 3 jacks pays something pathetic like 0.04c off a 0.60 spin. The only way to get anything nice is to hit the bonus round and pray for loads of wilds during the free spins (Like my lucky hit the other day... 500x on a 0.30 stake).

Even some higher variance that pay more for base game wins, theres a tight feel to it. Immortal Romance for example. You may win on 1 spin 5OAK 9's with wilds, get $9 winnings, but then on the following spins it will take that whole $9 off you and more without giving a single win.

Higher variance machines are the in thing with gamblers due to possible huge wins off a low bet, but the only real way to have a chance at a nice win is to get a bonus round which can take 200-300 spins, if not a lot more. So it's easy to have your balance completely eaten up and even if you get to the bonus round, it's not generous every time and can give you crappy returns.



Nowadays I don't set myself a cashout goal. I just play and if I hit anything, even just $20 profit... The chances are I will cashout right away because I know how quickly it can turn into a complete loss

 

[KasinoKing]

i would to know from other members how your all doing in regards to current playtime with mg, playtech , netent ? ?

MG: Not good - but mostly my own fault. I started the other day with £150 in my account and quickly took it up to over £300, but stupidly carried on playing at FAR too high bets and lost the lot inside a couple of hours.
I don't play the high variance 243-way games much, but I do find myself betting anything up to £5 per spin on a couple of 100 balance, which is never going to last too long unless I get lucky...

Playtech: Had not played this much for years, but last week took a £100 bonus on a £100 deposit and had a great result! Started badly though, lost about £150 of it before my luck changed - then I had 3 bet x100+ wins inside an hour - including a huge £594.30 win from a £1.25 spin on Gladiator. Cleared the WR easily and finished up cashing out £550.

NetEnt: Got to be honest - have been struggling to get anywhere recently (last couple of months). Have been trying some different games (including their shite new ones), but even my old favourites have been tight of late. Last week had 2 back-to-back free-spin features on Jack & the Beanstalk pay crap-all A bit like MG, I struggle to keep my bets low on NetEnt; nothing massive, but usually between €1.40 - €4.00 per spin on a €100+ balance.

Rival: Had a little dabble at Slots Capital last week; started well with good results from their true skill golf based slots and some fun on a few other "oldies", but finally came undone when A Switch in Time went on a mega-non-paying streak, emptying my bank Had a reasonable amount of play-time and fun overall though, so not too disappointed.

KK

 

[sparkz]

F*cking bollox.

I was thinking of having a few 100 bucks tonight to see how the games are playing now.

I went to pub earlier and had £200 in my wallet, it was part of rent money and had estimated $300 to deposit at casino's that was in bank (about £180 ish).

Left the pub, realised my wallet must of fallen out of my pocket or something. Entered pub again 40 seconds later... nobody had seen my wallet... typical.

I give the pub my name and number, they call not long after I got back in... A black wallet (my wallet) was handed in after I left, however the girl who called said it was completely empty, bank card was in there but no money, and beer vouchers, my national insurance card have gone.

Gutting my gambling money now has to go towards my rent , btw if Max is reading, need to have a week away so may not reply to my PAB, thieving b*stards

 

[aceking123]

F*cking bollox.

I was thinking of having a few 100 bucks tonight to see how the games are playing now.

I went to pub earlier and had £200 in my wallet, it was part of rent money and had estimated $300 to deposit at casino's that was in bank (about £180 ish).

Left the pub, realised my wallet must of fallen out of my pocket or something. Entered pub again 40 seconds later... nobody had seen my wallet... typical.

I give the pub my name and number, they call not long after I got back in... A black wallet (my wallet) was handed in after I left, however the girl who called said it was completely empty, bank card was in there but no money, and beer vouchers, my national insurance card have gone.

Gutting my gambling money now has to go towards my rent , btw is Max is reading, need to have a week away so may not reply to my PAB, thieving b*stards

hi sorry to hear youve lost your wad of cash ! thats shite for anyone , only last week in the garage just filling up i found some ladies pusre a very posh one aswell that had a load of cash & bank cards in it , i took it from the coffee machine & gave it lady at counter , then left. not all people are so forthcoming (

 

[aceking123]

moving back on to subject of those crap rtp% & just realy dud spins , ive decided after your help & comments to sit back from playing online for a bit , im going to spend some funds at my local casino, meal few beers , have a crack at live roulette & maybe a little dabble in the slots but thank you all for your comments as im aware its not just me playing those nasty slots online & you have good days & bad days ) but least im in the comfort that it just isnt me feeling the pinch

 

[sparkz]

hi sorry to hear youve lost your wad of cash ! thats shite for anyone , only last week in the garage just filling up i found some ladies pusre a very posh one aswell that had a load of cash & bank cards in it , i took it from the coffee machine & gave it lady at counter , then left. not all people are so forthcoming (

That was good of you. I know your right there. Very rare finding honest people these days. Cant believe they left the bank card in there, they must of known they didnt have pin or my address so useless to them :/

 

[t4llek]

I think it mostly comes down to pure luck, im a low roller that sometims hits big, i can honestly say since i started online gambling i am up about 12000€ in 2 years, i allways start with 20 to 50 depending on my possibilty to deposit and bet low .30 .60 (ir, playboy and similar) and .80 pure platinum(my favorite online slot) if i get a nice feature that passes me the 200 barrier i up the bets anything from .90 to 2 a spin, this has worked for me as sometimes it pays off big time, if i pass the 600 700 barrier i bet even higher, some might think its suicide but like this i have been able to withdraw some nice ammounts(sometimes go busto but thats the life of a gambler), as for slots u noticed mg, yes i only play mg! netent, igt, wms(when i could play it) has been just a huge drain for me with lousy features and low as hell pays, 32red is the way to go imho.

 

[Vegasbum]

I love immortal romance. I get what you mean as Avalon just doesn't provide the same thrill. I think high variance slots like immortal romance are bonus killers though. Even if you strike lucky after a deposit you are still highly unlikely to make it through a 30x wager requirement. However.....

I am new to online gambling. I deposited 50 at 32red which with their 320% first deposit match gave me 210. I lost the first hundred quickly on immortal romance at 30p a spin.... After 1100 spins I was down 100 and realised that I wasn't even meeting 4 x wager requirement let alone 30

I had no idea 32 Red offered a 320% bonus

 

[chuchu59]

hi all

right lets get down to the nitty gritty

i myself dont have any real problems spending money & losing , this is part of gambling we all understand it ,no one tells you to do it .

but how many here find it more & more frustrating when your rtp% isnt going anywhere im not just talking a month im talking from 2 moths plus of rtp% around 60% hundreds & hundreds of spins played same machines, different machines you know the score .

is there any real point in playing online any longer , im at the point to where i still enjoy a good gamble but think you know what this seems to be getting tighter & tighter , ive taken on board what some over members are doing by laying back picking when to play & when not too , with bonus ev etc etc , but i do think maybe im getting a little bored without any gaming time , it seems even at small stakes its burning through spins like there going out of fashion

i would to know from other members how your all doing in regards to current playtime with mg, playtech , netent ? ?

When you hit a poor patch like that it can be real frustrating. It does seem that you are on the receiving end of low RTP. What's the fun of watching spin after spin paying crap?

Yes, you should take a long break otherwise I fear you might smash your computer lol.

 

[aceking123]

When you hit a poor patch like that it can be real frustrating. It does seem that you are on the receiving end of low RTP. What's the fun of watching spin after spin paying crap?

Yes, you should take a long break otherwise I fear you might smash your computer lol.

nar no need to smash up the pc not long put a new graphics card in to which is mainly worth more than the pc ( lol )

im going to to sit around & play not so often, but continue to read the forum , may play when i get some very good match deposits , but stay clear of playing everyday or making 3-4 deposit in one go at different places , but your right crap spins = just boring play no playtime & lots of frustrating play does apply here to not playing as much )