I want to do tests roulette system.

[lithis]

Hello!
I'm Alex. I live in London, but for few months on a business trip to Russia.
There nothing better to do and I decided to play at online casinos.

I know that it is impossible to beat the casinos, but I want find out what strategies are more profitable. I believe that different strategies roulette produce different results.
And I want to do tests in these months. The results I will be writing in the forum to so hear the opinions of others about these systems and programs.

 

[KasinoKing]

The results I will be writing in the forum to so hear the opinions of others about these systems and programs.

As you said yourself - it's impossible to beat the casino using any betting system - so I hope you are not planning to invest any "serious money" in your experiments.
Roulette can not be systematically beaten, full stop.
It can be great fun and with a little bit of lady-luck you CAN make some money on it from time to time. But you will never make long-term profit from any casino game... unless you own the casino!

Welcome to the forum and Good Luck!
KK

 

[lithis]

I know it. But I also know that from style and system of the game depends how much will be a losing game.

I'm not going to invest serious money - no more than £ 100 a week.

My goal is to find a system or program that in the long run not leads to frequent loss. And of course, so that this system sometimes has helped to win.

For example, I tried use Martingale and always lost all for no longer than an hour. But there must be systems that are less loss-making

 

[Nifty29]

I know it. But I also know that from style and system of the game depends how much will be a losing game.

I'm not going to invest serious money - no more than £ 100 a week.

My goal is to find a system or program that in the long run not leads to frequent loss. And of course, so that this system sometimes has helped to win.

For example, I tried use Martingale and always lost all for no longer than an hour. But there must be systems that are less loss-making

"A fool and their money........"

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I know it. But I also know that from style and system of the game depends how much will be a losing game.

I'm not going to invest serious money - no more than £ 100 a week.

My goal is to find a system or program that in the long run not leads to frequent loss. And of course, so that this system sometimes has helped to win.

For example, I tried use Martingale and always lost all for no longer than an hour. But there must be systems that are less loss-making

All that roulette 'systems' such as Martingale do is increase the variance of the game, the odds in favour of the casino always remain exactly the same.

 

[rainmaker]

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Hello and welcome to the forum

As said by others, a system can never beat a random game. So if you win by using a system, then you have been lucky. It does not mean that the system worked.

I hope you are not planning to introduce us to new systems (and may God forbid... links to where to buy these systems) because most members here know very well that systems do not work.

 

[KasinoKing]

I know it. But I also know that from style and system of the game depends how much will be a losing game.

I'm not going to invest serious money - no more than £ 100 a week.

My goal is to find a system or program that in the long run not leads to frequent loss. And of course, so that this system sometimes has helped to win.

For example, I tried use Martingale and always lost all for no longer than an hour. But there must be systems that are less loss-making

Assuming you will be playing European Roulette (only 1 Zero) then whichever system you chose, your long term loss will be 2.7027027% of everything you wager, no matter when, where or how you place your bets. *
* Speed of loss may vary with the amount of luck recieved.

KK

 

[lithis]

I agree that "long term loss will be 2.7027027% of everything you wager", but I suggest to consider two options:

1. I bet for red all of the amount that I have to my account . My chances to double their money at 2.7% less than they lose.

2. I divide money on my account of 512 initial rates and play using a Martingale. In order to double my money do I need to make 256 on one spin, 128 to 2, etc.: 256 + (128 * 2) + (64 * 3) + (32 * 4) + (16 * 5) + (8 * 6) + (4 * 7) + (2 * 8) 9 = 1013 spins.

At the same time I have to bet money - 256 + (128 * 3) + (64 * 7) + (32 * 15) + (16 * 31) + (8 +63) + (4 * 127) + (2 * 255) 511 = 3664.

Revenue casino 2.7% of the amount of rates, that is 3664 * 0.027 = 98.93. And 98.93 of 512 will be 19.3%.

Of course the loss of 19.3% will not take place gradually. This would be true for roulette without zero and with a commission on each bet, but for European roulette, this means that the probability of losing the bank increased by that number.

And it turns out that in the first case the probability of doubling my money be 48.65% and 40.35% in the second case,

Of course it can be calculated without using the sum of rates, but more clearly this way. The calculations are not mine, but I agree with them.

 

[KasinoKing]

And it turns out that in the first case the probability of doubling my money be 48.65% and 40.35% in the second case,

Of course it can be calculated without using the sum of rates, but more clearly this way. The calculations are not mine, but I agree with them.

Me too!
They show you have a lower than 50% chance of doubling your money... therefore, you lose.
What a surprise!

Whatever you do matey, I wish you lots of luck... because luck is the ONLY way you can win at Roulette.

KK

 

[Jasminebed]

If your ID is from elsewhere, and you are currently playing from Russia, you run another risk that can't be calculated of being branded a fraud even if you are merely lucky.

It's not a fair, but it is a risk.

So choose your casino wisely.

The best thing that systems do is slow your play, and make it more entertaining.

 

[lithis]

Me too!
They show you have a lower than 50% chance of doubling your money... therefore, you lose.
What a surprise!

Whatever you do matey, I wish you lots of luck... because luck is the ONLY way you can win at Roulette.

KK

I just wrote what I know about how there is no way to beat the casinos.

And that winning depends on luck, I know, too. But one thing to play when the chances of success in almost equal to the casino, and another thing to play when the odds of winning are much smaller than have casinos.

Or do you think that no matter what to play - in the slot, where the house edge can be up to 40% or blackjack, where the house edge 0.5% (but if you know how to play)?

So it is with a roulette system - I an example of the Martingale has shown that there may be different chances to get the same result (doubling).

 

[BingoT]

Hello Alex Welcome to CM's forum.
~T~
I love this Quote
Albert Einstein Quote is.........
Quote:

"No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn't looking." — Albert Einstein

 

[lithis]

I have two questions:

1. How many times must I repeat that I know perfectly well that anybody can not beat the casino? I play for fun, but I want to play so as not only lose but and win from time to time.
2. Those who answered me in this thread play in a casino? What do you do on this forum dedicated to the casino, if all of your posts about that impossible win in a casino?

Can anyone refute the calculations that I have provided above, instead of writing well-known statements?

 

[Borgie]

If there is a house edge then there is a house edge. It matters not what way you play. No system gives you more chance than another. The Casino will beat you in the long run. People on here are not being awkward or difficult just honest. Play what ever system you believe will make your money last longest. Sometimes you may even win ! BUT sure as eggs are eggs other times you will lose. Some of us play tables some of us play slots , we are gamblers and that's what we do Gamble. We win we lose , we lose again end of. The important thing is have fun and don't expect to win so if you do it's a bonus ! Oh and only gamble what you can afford to lose.

 

[Nifty29]

I have two questions:

1. How many times must I repeat that I know perfectly well that anybody can not beat the casino? I play for fun, but I want to play so as not only lose but and win from time to time.
2. Those who answered me in this thread play in a casino? What do you do on this forum dedicated to the casino, if all of your posts about that impossible win in a casino?

Can anyone refute the calculations that I have provided above, instead of writing well-known statements?

If you already know everything, and you obviously do, then why are you asking for comments or advice? To boost your ego? I can't see any other reason to do it.

If you play for fun, why are you so concerned about all this stuff? Sounds like the opposite of someone playing for fun.


@Borgie

Well said.

You should post more often

 

[KasinoKing]

I just wrote what I know about how there is no way to beat the casinos.

I don't think I said there is no way to beat casinos - if I did I would be a hypocrite because I beat them for 9 years straight and created a website telling everyone how I did it!
But I did it by using the most generous bonuses on offer (which used to be a lot better than they are these days).
I'm not an out-and-out advantage player, but even so the bonuses gave me enough of an edge to overcome the house year after year.

What I did say is there is no way to beat Roulette - at least, unless you find a way to cheat or are using player friendly bonuses for that game too (about as rare as rocking-horse droppings these days!).
I'm not trying to convert you, but consider this; If you're betting on an even money chance on Roulette the MOST you can win is 1 x your bet. Even if you bet straight up on a number you only win Bet x35.
Now go and look in the "Winner Screenshots" thread of slots wins over Bet x100...
The house edge on slots may well be more than double what it is on Roulette - but the variance is many times greater - and it is that variance which gives you the chance of making a profit.

Best of luck!
KK

 

[lithis]

I brought the calculations are found on some website. I have not found error. I was hoping that someone will be able to confirm or deny. But no one did.

I mean, no one gave proof that these calculations are wrong. Only unsubstantiated allegations.
Therefore, we can assume that these calculations are correct.

But I would like to know how much loss-make other system. To do this, I want to create a separate topic of each system, where I propose to share the results, as only my results would not be sufficient to evaluate these systems.

Now go and look in the "Winner Screenshots" thread of slots wins over Bet x100...
The house edge on slots may well be more than double what it is on Roulette - but the variance is many times greater - and it is that variance which gives you the chance of making a profit.

Well, if you can win the lottery to 1000000 times more than the cost of a lottery ticket, it means that the lottery chance of making a profit at all huge? This is despite the fact that half the ticket price goes to the organizers of the lottery?

It does not matter how big winnings in comparison with the size of rate - the probability of winning is important.

 

[The Dude]

I brought the calculations are found on some website. I have not found error. I was hoping that someone will be able to confirm or deny. But no one did.

I mean, no one gave proof that these calculations are wrong. Only unsubstantiated allegations.
Therefore, we can assume that these calculations are correct...

No one gave proof because this is the "Introductions" forum. This is where one introduces oneself. If you want to talk about casino math, please post in the Online Casino forum here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/community/online-casinos/

There are plenty of math heads that frequent that forum who can give you advice.

Thanks for joining us.

 

[lithis]

But I'm not going to hold this discussion. Just in response to my statement that I'm going to test multiple systems at once started to write all that the casino can not be beat.
Although I wrote it in the first message. I had to explain why I want to test.
But my explanation of all began to challenge. And the challenged with no arguments.

In general, to continue this theme does not make sense. I started testing of two programs and one system and soon I will create threads with the results.

 

[The Dude]

In general, to continue this theme does not make sense. I started testing of two programs and one system and soon I will create threads with the results.

That's fine. Just be aware of this:
https://www.casinomeister.com/about-us/philosophy/

And this:
1.16 - Gambling Systems. For some reason, there are people who believe that the membership consists of morons. The members may be a lot of things, but stupid they ain't. If you attempt to sell a gambling "system", you will be publicly ridiculed and harassed until we're bored with you. You'll then be banished to Never Land where you can play with Tinker Bell and all the magical fairies. You'll be a happier person there.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/forum-rules/

 

[lithis]

I'm not going to sell the system.
I just want to offer to share the results of tests to determine the minimum loss-making system or program.

 

[The Dude]

I just want to offer to share the results of tests to determine the minimum loss-making system or program.

Why?

 

[Nifty29]

I'm not going to sell the system.
I just want to offer to share the results of tests to determine the minimum loss-making system or program.

Cool.

When you've played about 5 million hands I'm sure someone will be interested.

 

[lithis]

Why?

To get as accurate as possible statistics.
To make the odds of winning are be greater.
It's just - suppose me bit of luck and if I use a system that is unprofitable at 5%, I win. But if I use a system that is unprofitable for 20%, then my luck will not help me win. Or I win less.

 

[The Dude]

To get as accurate as possible statistics.
To make the odds of winning are be greater.
It's just - suppose me bit of luck and if I use a system that is unprofitable at 5%, I win. But if I use a system that is unprofitable for 20%, then my luck will not help me win. Or I win less.

It doesn't make any sense. I can flip a coin a hundred billion times - the odds are the same for the next flip; it's either heads or tails. The odds don't change. Luck has nothing to do with it. Luck is a term to describe what has happened in the past. It has nothing to do with what happens in the future. To believe in luck (as a force) is to believe in faeries IMO.

 

[lithis]

And where I wrote that I wanted influence the luck?

I want get the maximum benefit with my luck to. I have already cited two examples of the doubling of funds, in one of which my chances 48.65% and 40.35% in the other.
Of course I want to be my chance closer to 48.65%, and not 40%.

 

[Borgie]

Ok then off you go. Pulls up Deckchair, Settles back with icecream Look forward to the detailed results. Soon we may all be rich ! Or maybe poorer but only a bit poorer if we play our cards right. I had a dream .....

 

[The Dude]

And where I wrote that I wanted influence the luck?...

Here:

... But if I use a system that is unprofitable for 20%, then my luck will not help me win. Or I win less.

It's not in good form (nor is it a good idea) to become argumentative with the administrator of a forum - especially when one is a newbie (like yourself).

 

[rockycatt]

and that avatar is a real picture of him when he had his last conniption

 

[lithis]

But I do not argue with the forum rules or actions of the administrator.
I am expressing my views of losing for different styles the game of roulette. And I trying to defend my views, with calculation and examples.

If the forum will only be accepted they who hold identical views on all issues, and any attempt to challenge them, this is blasphemy, then forum for what? What to write here, If about anything is impossible dispute?

And going back to the discus - I do not write about the increase in the very best of luck, but about how to make the game less unprofitable. And if a player loses less, then, if he is lucky, difference between lost money and winnings money , will be more. So it turns out that increasing income from luck (and not increasing luck).

Take the example of a coin. Let's say you're playing against another player flip a coin, but you have two options.
The first option, when you lose give away $ 1, and when you win get $ 0.95.
The second option, when you lose give away $ 1, and when you win get $ 0.80.

Which option will you choose? Or you say that it does not matter? I think that you choose the first option.

An example given by me, about the same. Yes, this is a little harder, but the principle is the same - two ways to double your money, but income casino will be different (and thus loss the player, too).

 

[KasinoKing]

And going back to the discus - I do not write about the increase in the very best of luck, but about how to make the game less unprofitable. And if a player loses less, then, if he is lucky, difference between lost money and winnings money , will be more. So it turns out that increasing income from luck (and not increasing luck).

I DO get where you're coming from.
I think the problem some see (including CasinoMeister) is that you mentioned "systems".

As I said earlier:
"Assuming you will be playing European Roulette (only 1 Zero) then whichever system you choose, your long term loss will be 2.7027027% of everything you wager, no matter when, where or how you place your bets. *
* Speed of loss may vary with the amount of luck received."

No system will increase your chances of winning, and equally no system will give you "less chance of losing " than any other.
The odds on ANY bet placed in ANY way at ANY time is still the same.

Anyway - it's up to you to do exactly as you wish.
I hope you have good fun and lots of luck in your endeavours!

KK

 

[Nifty29]

But I do not argue with the forum rules or actions of the administrator.
I am expressing my views of losing for different styles the game of roulette. And I trying to defend my views, with calculation and examples.

If the forum will only be accepted they who hold identical views on all issues, and any attempt to challenge them, this is blasphemy, then forum for what? What to write here, If about anything is impossible dispute?

And going back to the discus - I do not write about the increase in the very best of luck, but about how to make the game less unprofitable. And if a player loses less, then, if he is lucky, difference between lost money and winnings mone@y , will be more. So it turns out that increasing income from luck (and not increasing luck).

Take the example of a coin. Let's say you're playing against another player flip a coin, but you have two options.
The first option, when you lose give away $ 1, and when you win get $ 0.95.
The second option, when you lose give away $ 1, and when you win get $ 0.80.

Which option will you choose? Or you say that it does not matter? I think that you choose the first option.

An example given by me, about the same. Yes, this is a little harder, but the principle is the same - two ways to double your money, but income casino will be different (and thus loss the player, too).

Blasphemy??

You didn't say "Jehovah" did you??? (Max...?? LOL)

As I said, its all well and good you want to post your results, but until they number in the millions they aren't going to mean much.

As KK said, there is NO way to improve your odds at roulette. It just isn't possible, unless you find a casino offering more generous odds. How you bet I.e. using a system makes NO difference. I see you tried martingale....did you figure out that the table limits make it redundant?

No offence, but all of this roulette system/stats/etc is one big YAWN to most members.....its been done before.

 

[Seventh777]

Blasphemy??

You didn't say "Jehovah" did you??? (Max...?? LOL)

Speaking of blasphemy, i`ve heard Salman Rushdie has just finished his new book.......Buddha - you fat bastid .

 

[lithis]

To KasinoKing

I agree that "the odds on ANY bet placed in ANY way at ANY time is still the same".

I agree that "the long term loss will be 2.7027027% of everything you wager".

But I say that to achieve the same result (in this case, doubling the money in the account), you may need a different amount of bets. And as the loss will be 2.7027027% of everything you wager, then the losses in relation to the amount of money in the account will be different.

I have already mentioned the example of $ 512 for two options:
In the first case the entire amount in the account is put on red - lost 2.7% of $ 512.
In the second case, game is on Martingale system with an initial rate of $ 1 - in order to double the money in the account, you need to make 1013 bets, totaling $ 3664. And the losses will be 2.7% of $ 3664

And in both cases the result will be one - doubling the amount in the account. If you are lucky. Only it turns out that the probability that the player is lucky and he can win $ 512, and not lose them, in the first case to be 48.65% and 40.35% in the second.


To Nifty29.

I'm not about increasing the chances of winning. I write about how not to increase the likelihood of loss.

As for the one million spins - so therefore I want to offer another users share their results, to gather as much data. Certainly not a million, but still more than I am able to collect self.

 

[LaHutti]

If you walk in, hit the table, put everything you own on Red....if you're lucky, you'll double your money.
The chance of that happening is 48.65%...the excact number you're trying to achive with your system. Chances are tho, that you won't hit Red, because the casino has an edge, and therefore you'll be done really fast.
This system saves you a lot of time, a lot of doing math, and I'm giving it to you for free.

 

[lithis]

If you walk in, hit the table, put everything you own on Red....if you're lucky, you'll double your money.
The chance of that happening is 48.65%...the excact number you're trying to achive with your system. Chances are tho, that you won't hit Red, because the casino has an edge, and therefore you'll be done really fast.
This system saves you a lot of time, a lot of doing math, and I'm giving it to you for free.

This is understandable, but it's very boring. I'm going to the casino to have fun.
And I'm not prepared to make a bet and leave the casino.
So me and are interested in how to play longer, but so that my chances of winning certain amount, been almost the same as in the short game.

 

[The Dude]

This is understandable, but it's very boring. I'm going to the casino to have fun.
And I'm not prepared to make a bet and leave the casino.
So me and are interested in how to play longer, but so that my chances of winning certain amount, been almost the same as in the short game.

If you want to have fun, why do so much math? Having fun is making ridiculous bets (betting on red because you are drinking a strawberry margarita - putting all your chips on the same number a babe-licious babe is betting on). Analyzing game play for millions of spins is not my idea of fun. But that's me.

 

[Nifty29]

This is understandable, but it's very boring. I'm going to the casino to have fun.
And I'm not prepared to make a bet and leave the casino.
So me and are interested in how to play longer, but so that my chances of winning certain amount, been almost the same as in the short game.

Maybe when you play 100k rounds and record intricate details of each, and smash them against 100k rounds that someone else has also spent 100's of hours recording, you might find the Higgs Moron.

 

[lithis]

If you want to have fun, why do so much math? Having fun is making ridiculous bets (betting on red because you are drinking a strawberry margarita - putting all your chips on the same number a babe-licious babe is betting on). Analyzing game play for millions of spins is not my idea of fun. But that's me.

Enjoyment of the game, I see above all to get a win. And the more I receive it, the more fun.
And if I come to casino that the lose every time, this little nice.

 

[Borgie]

I can not find the symbol for bashing head against a brick wall - is there one?

 

[BingoT]

I can not find the symbol for bashing head against a brick wall - is there one?

Here is the wall.....

 

[Seventh777]

Maybe when you play 100k rounds and record intricate details of each, and smash them against 100k rounds that someone else has also spent 100's of hours recording, you might find the Higgs Moron.

Plus two others you haven`t catered for .

 

[rockycatt]

why not pick up a table of your own and see how you can rig the game from a players side
and do experiments on physical properties of the game , cause on line is a horse of a different color

 

[lithis]

Yeah, long time since I not communicated on the forums.
I've already forgotten how hard it is to convey his words to those who hear only their own.

 

[The Dude]

Yeah, long time since I not communicated on the forums.
I've already forgotten how hard it is to convey his words to those who hear only their own.

Hiya - it's only been a day, so please don't feel guilty. And we don't really hear words since typing is only a typing sound clicking away on the keyboard. I can't make any sense of it at all when I close my eyes.luhgnjepo98rh oops.