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I want to do tests roulette system.

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by lithis, Jul 8, 2012.

    Jul 8, 2012
  1. lithis

    lithis Dormant account

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    Hello!
    I'm Alex. I live in London, but for few months on a business trip to Russia.
    There nothing better to do and I decided to play at online casinos.

    I know that it is impossible to beat the casinos, but I want find out what strategies are more profitable. I believe that different strategies roulette produce different results.
    And I want to do tests in these months. The results I will be writing in the forum to so hear the opinions of others about these systems and programs.
     
  2. Jul 8, 2012
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    As you said yourself - it's impossible to beat the casino using any betting system - so I hope you are not planning to invest any "serious money" in your experiments.
    Roulette can not be systematically beaten, full stop.
    It can be great fun and with a little bit of lady-luck you CAN make some money on it from time to time. But you will never make long-term profit from any casino game... unless you own the casino!

    Welcome to the forum and Good Luck! :thumbsup:
    KK
     
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  4. Jul 8, 2012
  5. lithis

    lithis Dormant account

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    I know it. But I also know that from style and system of the game depends how much will be a losing game.

    I'm not going to invest serious money - no more than £ 100 a week.

    My goal is to find a system or program that in the long run not leads to frequent loss. And of course, so that this system sometimes has helped to win.

    For example, I tried use Martingale and always lost all for no longer than an hour. But there must be systems that are less loss-making
     
  6. Jul 8, 2012
  7. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    "A fool and their money........"
     
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  9. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    All that roulette 'systems' such as Martingale do is increase the variance of the game, the odds in favour of the casino always remain exactly the same.
     
  10. Jul 8, 2012
  11. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    Hello and welcome to the forum :thumbsup:

    As said by others, a system can never beat a random game. So if you win by using a system, then you have been lucky. It does not mean that the system worked.

    I hope you are not planning to introduce us to new systems (and may God forbid... links to where to buy these systems) because most members here know very well that systems do not work.
     
  12. Jul 8, 2012
  13. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Assuming you will be playing European Roulette (only 1 Zero) then whichever system you chose, your long term loss will be 2.7027027% of everything you wager, no matter when, where or how you place your bets. *
    * Speed of loss may vary with the amount of luck recieved.

    KK
     
  14. Jul 9, 2012
  15. lithis

    lithis Dormant account

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    I agree that "long term loss will be 2.7027027% of everything you wager", but I suggest to consider two options:

    1. I bet for red all of the amount that I have to my account . My chances to double their money at 2.7% less than they lose.

    2. I divide money on my account of 512 initial rates and play using a Martingale. In order to double my money do I need to make 256 on one spin, 128 to 2, etc.: 256 + (128 * 2) + (64 * 3) + (32 * 4) + (16 * 5) + (8 * 6) + (4 * 7) + (2 * 8) 9 = 1013 spins.

    At the same time I have to bet money - 256 + (128 * 3) + (64 * 7) + (32 * 15) + (16 * 31) + (8 +63) + (4 * 127) + (2 * 255) 511 = 3664.

    Revenue casino 2.7% of the amount of rates, that is 3664 * 0.027 = 98.93. And 98.93 of 512 will be 19.3%.

    Of course the loss of 19.3% will not take place gradually. This would be true for roulette without zero and with a commission on each bet, but for European roulette, this means that the probability of losing the bank increased by that number.

    And it turns out that in the first case the probability of doubling my money be 48.65% and 40.35% in the second case,

    Of course it can be calculated without using the sum of rates, but more clearly this way. The calculations are not mine, but I agree with them.
     
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  17. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Me too! :thumbsup:
    They show you have a lower than 50% chance of doubling your money... therefore, you lose.
    What a surprise!

    Whatever you do matey, I wish you lots of luck... because luck is the ONLY way you can win at Roulette.

    KK
     
  18. Jul 9, 2012
  19. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

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    If your ID is from elsewhere, and you are currently playing from Russia, you run another risk that can't be calculated of being branded a fraud even if you are merely lucky.

    It's not a fair, but it is a risk.

    So choose your casino wisely.

    The best thing that systems do is slow your play, and make it more entertaining.
     
  20. Jul 9, 2012
  21. lithis

    lithis Dormant account

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    I just wrote what I know about how there is no way to beat the casinos.

    And that winning depends on luck, I know, too. But one thing to play when the chances of success in almost equal to the casino, and another thing to play when the odds of winning are much smaller than have casinos.

    Or do you think that no matter what to play - in the slot, where the house edge can be up to 40% or blackjack, where the house edge 0.5% (but if you know how to play)?

    So it is with a roulette system - I an example of the Martingale has shown that there may be different chances to get the same result (doubling).
     
  22. Jul 9, 2012
  23. BingoT

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    I want to do tests roulette system.: animated-roulette-wheel.gif,Jul 9, 2012 Hello Alex Welcome to CM's forum. I want to do tests roulette system.: animated-roulette-wheel.gif,Jul 9, 2012
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    I love this Quote
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  25. lithis

    lithis Dormant account

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    I have two questions:

    1. How many times must I repeat that I know perfectly well that anybody can not beat the casino? I play for fun, but I want to play so as not only lose but and win from time to time.
    2. Those who answered me in this thread play in a casino? What do you do on this forum dedicated to the casino, if all of your posts about that impossible win in a casino?

    Can anyone refute the calculations that I have provided above, instead of writing well-known statements?
     
  26. Jul 9, 2012
  27. Borgie

    Borgie Senior Member

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    If there is a house edge then there is a house edge. It matters not what way you play. No system gives you more chance than another. The Casino will beat you in the long run. People on here are not being awkward or difficult just honest. Play what ever system you believe will make your money last longest. Sometimes you may even win ! BUT sure as eggs are eggs other times you will lose. Some of us play tables some of us play slots , we are gamblers and that's what we do Gamble. We win we lose , we lose again end of. The important thing is have fun and don't expect to win so if you do it's a bonus ! :) Oh and only gamble what you can afford to lose.
     
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  29. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    If you already know everything, and you obviously do, then why are you asking for comments or advice? To boost your ego? I can't see any other reason to do it.

    If you play for fun, why are you so concerned about all this stuff? Sounds like the opposite of someone playing for fun.


    @Borgie

    Well said.

    You should post more often :)
     
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  30. Jul 9, 2012
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I don't think I said there is no way to beat casinos - if I did I would be a hypocrite because I beat them for 9 years straight and created a website telling everyone how I did it!
    But I did it by using the most generous bonuses on offer (which used to be a lot better than they are these days).
    I'm not an out-and-out advantage player, but even so the bonuses gave me enough of an edge to overcome the house year after year.

    What I did say is there is no way to beat Roulette - at least, unless you find a way to cheat or are using player friendly bonuses for that game too (about as rare as rocking-horse droppings these days!).
    I'm not trying to convert you, but consider this; If you're betting on an even money chance on Roulette the MOST you can win is 1 x your bet. Even if you bet straight up on a number you only win Bet x35.
    Now go and look in the "Winner Screenshots" thread of slots wins over Bet x100...
    The house edge on slots may well be more than double what it is on Roulette - but the variance is many times greater - and it is that variance which gives you the chance of making a profit.

    Best of luck!
    KK
     
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  33. lithis

    lithis Dormant account

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    I brought the calculations are found on some website. I have not found error. I was hoping that someone will be able to confirm or deny. But no one did.

    I mean, no one gave proof that these calculations are wrong. Only unsubstantiated allegations.
    Therefore, we can assume that these calculations are correct.

    But I would like to know how much loss-make other system. To do this, I want to create a separate topic of each system, where I propose to share the results, as only my results would not be sufficient to evaluate these systems.

    Well, if you can win the lottery to 1000000 times more than the cost of a lottery ticket, it means that the lottery chance of making a profit at all huge? This is despite the fact that half the ticket price goes to the organizers of the lottery?

    It does not matter how big winnings in comparison with the size of rate - the probability of winning is important.
     
  34. Jul 10, 2012
  35. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    No one gave proof because this is the "Introductions" forum. This is where one introduces oneself. If you want to talk about casino math, please post in the Online Casino forum here:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/

    There are plenty of math heads that frequent that forum who can give you advice.

    Thanks for joining us.
     
  36. Jul 10, 2012
  37. lithis

    lithis Dormant account

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    But I'm not going to hold this discussion. Just in response to my statement that I'm going to test multiple systems at once started to write all that the casino can not be beat.
    Although I wrote it in the first message. I had to explain why I want to test.
    But my explanation of all began to challenge. And the challenged with no arguments.

    In general, to continue this theme does not make sense. I started testing of two programs and one system and soon I will create threads with the results.
     
  38. Jul 10, 2012
  39. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    That's fine. Just be aware of this:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/philosophy.php#systems

    And this:
    1.16 - Gambling Systems. For some reason, there are people who believe that the membership consists of morons. The members may be a lot of things, but stupid they ain't. If you attempt to sell a gambling "system", you will be publicly ridiculed and harassed until we're bored with you. You'll then be banished to Never Land where you can play with Tinker Bell and all the magical fairies. You'll be a happier person there.
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/faq.php?faq=forumrules#faq_general_posting_rules

    :thumbsup:
     
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