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I need help, I'm being stiffed for $100,000

Okay, heres where we are at this point. Nobles response thus far has been underwhelming, to say the least. They have had every opportunity to handle this with dignity and have chosen silence. Regardless of what anyone thinks about Isaacs claim, the fact that Noble does not respect the poker-playing community enough to adequately address this issue is very unfortunate.

I suggest kicking this thing up a notch. Anyone who wants to help can call Noble at 1-866-860-1181, ask them what is going on, and voice their opinion as to how this has been handled. Maybe if they realize how many people are concerned about this matter, who are actively watching and felt strongly enough about it to call them, it may convince them to be more transparent in their handling of this situation. What do you think?
 
prrmike said:
Okay, heres where we are at this point. Nobles response thus far has been underwhelming, to say the least. They have had every opportunity to handle this with dignity and have chosen silence. Regardless of what anyone thinks about Isaacs claim, the fact that Noble does not respect the poker-playing community enough to adequately address this issue is very unfortunate.

I suggest kicking this thing up a notch. Anyone who wants to help can call Noble at 1-866-860-1181, ask them what is going on, and voice their opinion as to how this has been handled. Maybe if they realize how many people are concerned about this matter, who are actively watching and felt strongly enough about it to call them, it may convince them to be more transparent in their handling of this situation. What do you think?
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Hi prrmike:

I can appreciate where you're coming from on this, but if Issac has filed a Pitch a Bitch on this matter I believe Bryan should at the very least be given the opportunity to check this thing out. If we have a bunch of people calling Noble it could do a lot more harm than good.

I tried to get in touch with Bryan earlier today on a different matter and found out that Bryan is traveling here in the states and won't be back until the 18th of this month. I don't see where another 4 to 5 days is going to do any harm at this point.

Have a good one.
 
Hi all,

Here's an update, I was contacted by Elay De Beer for Noble Poker.
Here is just a little from the email as I wish not to compromise Byran's efforts.

Hi John,

Hope you are doing well, my name is Elay, I will represent NoblePoker in
this dispute, I am sure that you as an objective side in the dispute can
agree with iPoker claim about the fraud that was found in the player play
during the jackpot win.

I would like to share with you the full details of the case that you will be
able to judge for your self the findings that was found, we will be able to
discuss it over the phone and this information should stay discreet.

So I am waiting for her phone call.

Like I said, I am an affiliate of Noble Poker, I am not trying to interfer with Byran on this matter.
Just wanted to give an update here.

Elay will be calling me later this evening.
 
Renegade said:
Hi all,

Here's an update, I was contacted by Elay De Beer for Noble Poker.
Here is just a little from the email as I wish not to compromise Byran's efforts.

Hi John,

Hope you are doing well, my name is Elay, I will represent NoblePoker in
this dispute, I am sure that you as an objective side in the dispute can
agree with iPoker claim about the fraud that was found in the player play
during the jackpot win.

I would like to share with you the full details of the case that you will be
able to judge for your self the findings that was found, we will be able to
discuss it over the phone and this information should stay discreet.

So I am waiting for her phone call.

Like I said, I am an affiliate of Noble Poker, I am not trying to interfer with Byran on this matter.
Just wanted to give an update here.

Elay will be calling me later this evening.
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Hi Renegade:

It seems to me that at some point Elay is going to be giving a full blow by blow on this issue or so to speak, so it might not be a bad idea to have Elay come to the forefront on this issue and lay this whole scenario out for all to see. I mean we're close to a month in to this thing and we are just now having contact from Noble Poker. I'm sure this will prove to be most enlightening.

Have a good one.
 
One of my biggest reservations in dealing with a casino (dispute) is when the casino representative wants to do everything over the 'phone instead of professionally documented responses that are upfront and on the record for subsequent referral and debate.

It's not usually a good sign of honest behaviour.

It may be an idea to ask Elay if he or she has any objection to the call being recorded - surely if their reasoning is fair and logical they should have no objection to this?
 
jetset said:
One of my biggest reservations in dealing with a casino (dispute) is when the casino representative wants to do everything over the 'phone instead of professionally documented responses that are upfront and on the record for subsequent referral and debate.

It's not usually a good sign of honest behaviour.

It may be an idea to ask Elay if he or she has any objection to the call being recorded - surely if their reasoning is fair and logical they should have no objection to this?
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Hi Jet:

My feelings Exactly Jet.

Have a good one.
 
Iv'e made that mistake

Take it from someone who has been stiffed because of the phone conversation I had. Like the "Meister" always says..Get it in writing. Or at least record the phone conversation. :thumbsup:
 
1st time poster being stiffed for $100k

Not much luck for 1st time posters having legit claims, here.

Kind of reminds me of another poster, being stiffed by planetluck and having 30 users registered with the same IP at the casino.


Noble is not going to disclose all the details but I think Isaacm wasn't working with a "full deck". Seemed like a cluster of players in his area were constantly at his table.

Oh well, another poor college student, forced to get a real job.

This guy posted on about every forum he could find. Probably did Noble more good than harm, ( I might check out the tourney) LOL


Buck
 
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Both those sites are dreadful... Thank the lord you can have a decent and reasoned conversation here without it descending into that nonsense... They do get terribly excited and sweary don't they!


I'm fascinated to know what happened though!

If I had to call it right around now - I'd go with the player needs to get paid, and the poker site are trying to pull a fast one.

I might be entirely wrong - but with Cipher on the case - we'll know soon enough :thumbsup:
 
paul02085 said:
I think Mr. Isaacm has some explaining to do. Notice the last post in the thread.

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Thanks for posting that, Paul and I agree that Isaac would be wise to give a response to this for balance, because it is a pretty damning accusation.
 
Whoa, you're right - some pretty basic and even bigoted posting going on over there although there were solid and reasoned offerings too.

I see Isaac is still in there defending his claim, but more to the point Cipher who's experience and common sense I respect, has some doubts at the moment which would suggest to me that we may see more developments soon.
 
Noble Claim

I think I would stay away from posting on that site, they are pretty brutal.

Noble and prmike are not willing to disclose the total method, and I can understand why. I don't think more copycats of this are needed.

I am unsure how many mediators Noble is willing to have mediate this case?

I think "iscam" is history.


Buck
 
jetset said:
I see Isaac is still in there defending his claim, but more to the point Cipher who's experience and common sense I respect, has some doubts at the moment which would suggest to me that we may see more developments soon.
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That's what I thought... Isaac, if he is in the right, is certainly doing himself no favours with the retaliation but like you say - at least he's hanging in there. Similarly, hopefully Cipher will come back with a reasoned and factual account of what actually happened!
 
jetset said:
Whoa, you're right - some pretty basic and even bigoted posting going on over there although there were solid and reasoned offerings too.

I see Isaac is still in there defending his claim, but more to the point Cipher who's experience and common sense I respect, has some doubts at the moment which would suggest to me that we may see more developments soon.
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Apparently Cipher smells a rat so i am not gonna crucify isaacm until Cipher has a chance to get involved.
 
jetset said:
Whoa, you're right - some pretty basic and even bigoted posting going on over there although there were solid and reasoned offerings too.

I see Isaac is still in there defending his claim, but more to the point Cipher who's experience and common sense I respect, has some doubts at the moment which would suggest to me that we may see more developments soon.
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Hi JET:

Oh you betcha there's gonna be some pre 4th of July fireworks in this regard. Fortunately, I've got an agreement from ISAAC that he won't be posting on this issue for a while and that's better than half the battle won right there.

Have a good one.
 
suzecat said:
Hi Cipher:

My curiosity meter is clanging away..........are you veering toward the multiple account collusion or just the regular collusion or something else?
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Hi Suzecat:

NOBLE POKER has zero chance of putting together any kind of a case on multiple accounts and/or this ridiculous and purported claim of collusion. But now that NOBLE POKER and numerous agents for NOBLE POKER have made very public and criminal accusations against Isaac, there going to need to prove those accusations up or pay dearly.

Have a good one.
 
cipher said:
Hi Suzecat:

NOBLE POKER has zero chance of putting together any kind of a case on multiple accounts and/or this ridiculous and purported claim of collusion. But now that NOBLE POKER and numerous agents for NOBLE POKER have made very public and criminal accusations against Isaac, there going to need to prove those accusations up or pay dearly.

Have a good one.
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WOW Cipher! I have to admit I was totally surprised by this after reading elsewhere that Isaac had multiple accounts (speculated and not proven). A "wicky sticket" arising from a casino/pokerroom claiming player fraud/collusion as a reason for nonpayment of winnings.............who'd of thunk it?
 
cipher said:
Hi Suzecat:

NOBLE POKER has zero chance of putting together any kind of a case on multiple accounts and/or this ridiculous and purported claim of collusion. But now that NOBLE POKER and numerous agents for NOBLE POKER have made very public and criminal accusations against Isaac, there going to need to prove those accusations up or pay dearly.

Have a good one.
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This is going to be good....maybe as good as the Pirate saga! I'm sure you'll keep us advised whenever you can Cipher, and I look forward to the unfolding story.
 
Has anyone seen the graph on EMPIRE ON LINE (Noble Poker) lately? I mean I'm not a stock analyst but I don't think I need a degree to read where this stock is heading fast. Anybody got the name of that writer over their at the London Financial Times?
 
Gaming stocks are hit hard at the moment across the board Cipher (he says from bitter experience!) - so there's not a great deal to read into the graph. That said, it's quite an impressive decline and - you're absolutely right - the city and stockholders should be made aware with such a significant sum involved.

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You're the man :thumbsup:
 
Noble Poker Fort Knox

I think this case is history, looks like solid evidence against "I-scam".
If Cipher wants to pursue it it is his time, this is not the typical online casino rejecting a claim for no reason.

I would even venture to bet some cold hard cash that Noble will prevail.

Buck
 
buck said:
I think this case is history, looks like solid evidence against "I-scam".
If Cipher wants to pursue it it is his time, this is not the typical online casino rejecting a claim for no reason.

I would even venture to bet some cold hard cash that Noble will prevail.

Buck
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Whatever do you have in mind Buck?

Have a good one.
 
Cyper,

How do you ensure your clients pay you, if you do prevail?

What makes you think Isaac is in the right?

Have you managed to get a copy of the hand histories?

Thanks,
Linus.
 
Update on the NoblePoker.com Tourney Win Dispute 06/21/2006 04:43 PM
Poker Room Review asked NoblePoker.com to release their evidence regarding a player denied the $100,000 prize in their Fort Knox tournament. Noble complied with this request and provided Poker Room Review with access to their evidence. After a comprehensive review of the materials, it is clear Noble has more than enough proof to back up their claim. Poker Room Review did its own investigation and came to the same conclusions Noble did. This players claim is riddled with flaws. A few examples: 2 accounts sharing the same IP address, several others living in the same building and 23 players out of the 30 (excluding the players 6 entries) in the entire tournament series came from the same specific region. Its the same as holding a series of online tournaments over the course of 3 weeks, and out of a possible 30 entrants, 23 came from Tennessee. The odds against that alone occurring naturally are stunning.

And there is additional evidence Poker Room Review has agreed not to divulge in order to respect Nobles security protocol. As a result of this, 22 accounts have been blocked. They also had this to say about not ever paying out the $100,000 prize: . . . this jackpot has been won 7 times across the network with Noble player SODERLIND winning the $100,000 in March 06. We have paid well in excess of $1,000,000 in jackpot prizes associated with this event alone across the network.

The only positive thing that came out of this was that players called for a poker site to prove their case, and the site responded.
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This is exactly what Noble Poker told me.

I did provide this copy to Byran as well a few days ago.

I wasn't sure if he was looking into this or not.
 
It sounds like Noble security is also riddled with flaws. There's no way they should be letting same-IP players sit at the same table. Neither PokerStars nor Party allow this -- and, it's just common sense.

No matter whether they pay Isaac or not, they seem bent on proving they don't give a rat's ass about security - or about honest players.

No way I'd touch Noble poker after this. Or any site on their network.
 
Linus said:
Cyper,

How do you ensure your clients pay you, if you do prevail?

What makes you think Isaac is in the right?

Have you managed to get a copy of the hand histories?

Thanks,
Linus.
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Hi Linus:

Through a very enforceable agreement. But I can tell you that I've never had to enforce the agreements.

Through talking with Issac and reviewing the available data.

I have not received the hand histories and do not even want to as they are of absolutely no consequence whatsoever to Issac or myself. My job is to collect on the debt that we can prove with absolute certainty is owed.

In matters such as this it's extremely important to keep on task instead of getting involved in all of the minutia.

Have a good one.
 
I would have thought posting the HH's would have been the best way to go about it. Whether other people were playing from the same IP is interesting, but not definitive. In any case, all we can do is take Noble's word for it.

There are 58K registered users at 2+2, and 1 or 2K logged in at any given time. Had Isaac been able to post HH's there, that showed he was innocent, Noble's (and iPoker's) names would have been Mud among internet poker players.

As it is, all we know is that Isaac hasn't been paid, and that Noble says it has good evidence that he was cheating.

But perhaps you have ways of bringing pressure to bear against Noble, other than public opinion.
 
Its the same as holding a series of online tournaments over the course of 3 weeks, and out of a possible 30 entrants, 23 came from Tennessee. The odds against that alone occurring naturally are stunning.
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I find this very interesting for when I was actively playing online poker, I noticed that at times many players came from the same vicinity as me (within miles of me) but I didn't know one person personally. I actually had 5 of us from a 30 mile radius of where I was located playing at the same table at one time during a tournament, so the chances of this happening might be astronomical but it can happen for it DID happen with me. Felt like old home week and yes, I lost and didn't make the qualifiers and so did all the others, but I guess if we had made it , we would have this same problem? Interesting....
 
Linus said:
I would have thought posting the HH's would have been the best way to go about it. Whether other people were playing from the same IP is interesting, but not definitive. In any case, all we can do is take Noble's word for it.

There are 58K registered users at 2+2, and 1 or 2K logged in at any given time. Had Isaac been able to post HH's there, that showed he was innocent, Noble's (and iPoker's) names would have been Mud among internet poker players.

As it is, all we know is that Isaac hasn't been paid, and that Noble says it has good evidence that he was cheating.

But perhaps you have ways of bringing pressure to bear against Noble, other than public opinion.
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Hi Linus:

One would think if these hand histories were so damning against Isaac, they (NOBLE POKER) would have released them long ago in an effort to clear their name. But instead they continue to allude to their damning existence rather than bringing them to the table. Any wonder why?

Have a good one.
 
Slotster! said:
You're certainly getting some heat over on that other board Cipher! Bizarre how many people are ready to hang, draw and quarter - based purely on the words of a name on a message board... Madness.
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Ah what the Heck, it takes all kinds. But I really would like to see them hang their hats on something of sustance rather than hearsay an innuendo. It really is sad to see.

Have a good one
 
Its the same as holding a series of online tournaments over the course of 3 weeks, and out of a possible 30 entrants, 23 came from Tennessee. The odds against that alone occurring naturally are stunning.
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Aren't the odds of winnings 6 tournaments in a row stunning also?

Maybe Noble or an affiliate advertised on a Tennessee campus? Then it wouldn't be stunning at all.
 
I do not see why 2 accounts sharing same IP would be a problem. It could be his roommate having an account and play whenever isacm isn't.
If Noble poker allows 2 handles from same IP to join same sit&go they have bigger problems than paying out 100k. How could any player feel confident with their poker room if they allow that??!?!

/adamski
 
mr_adamski said:
I do not see why 2 accounts sharing same IP would be a problem. It could be his roommate having an account and play whenever isacm isn't.
If Noble poker allows 2 handles from same IP to join same sit&go they have bigger problems than paying out 100k. How could any player feel confident with their poker room if they allow that??!?!

/adamski
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The only explanation I can think of, is that Noble doesn't care about cheating on its site, as long as the cheaters stick to cheating honest players (not the site).
 

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