I am more than 90% certain that all poker rooms are rigged

[winbig]

Thank you for posting, it is gross.

Very....

The most I've had in front of me in my life is $10,000. I couldn't imagine having - let alone losing - almost $300K in one hand

 

[TDTAT]

Very....

The most I've had in front of me in my life is $10,000. I couldn't imagine having - let alone losing - almost $300K in one hand

I can tell you just watching it made my stomach turn...

the point is playing enough that it matters
to you ... then you know how you really play poker :notworthy

those guys are pros because they do not consider the chips
money.. if they did they could not make those bets and could not
take the losses.. and remember Gus goes busted all the time
(never has trouble finding a backer)

 

[winbig]

yea....Gus loses quite a bit of the time on Full Tilt, but I never hear him yelling 'rigged'...what's up with that

 

[TDTAT]

yea....Gus loses quite a bit of the time on Full Tilt, but I never hear him yelling 'rigged'...what's up with that

The cards do not need to break even for Gus to win!! He is a monster:notworthy
and he has given so many awful beats he can't say anything

 

[ThodorisK]

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the very strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as many extra times as necessary so that eventually they make no profits, and thus that there are no winners in the long run. "Coincedentally" the advantage players experience an extreme negative variance (bad luck) that never stops. Hundreds, thousands of hands, nope, it never stops. Such extreme bad luck has less of 1% probability of happening, thus this is the statistical proof for cheating, as it did not happen only to me, but also to many others. These advantage players did not become losers because of the rake. Because if they had an average luck, they would make big profits, AFTER the rake is taken off.

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

 

[winbig]

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the very strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as many extra times as necessary so that eventually they make no profits, and thus that there are no winners in the long run. "Coincedentally" the advantage players experience an extreme negative variance (bad luck) that never stops. Hundreds, thousands of hands, nope, it never stops. Such extreme bad luck has less of 1% probability of happening, thus this is the statistical proof for cheating, as it did not happen only to me, but also to many others. These advantage players did not become losers because of the rake. Because if they had an average luck, they would make big profits, AFTER the rake is taken off.

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners.

Do you realize how STUPID that statement is? The rake online is the same, if not less (Bally's in Vegas and AC takes $4/pot max. Everywhere online that I've seen is $3 max. $3.50 for the Bad Beat tables @ Prima. They are dealing thousands of hands an hour (not counting the tournament tables), so they could give a rats ass about if someone's beating the rake or not. They're going to make a pretty hefty profit whether or not they get max rake for (most) every hand that's dealt.

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

Are you trying to get banned? This bullshit is getting pretty old.

 

[TDTAT]

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

I understand your post, but I promote 99% online casinos,
so anyone playing online poker is losing to another
player, not the casino and therefore
I do not care if anyone plays online poker now... and would maybe
prefer they did not play poker

I used to play myself online and won on pokerstars,
I have no clue about other sites.. I hated Party..

If I thought it was really rigged as a whole I would say so..
I have noticed I am rather uninformed compared to many members
here though, so my posts really do not matter.

Stop playing online.. I will see you at the Bellagio one day
and we will have a strawberry julius

 

[TDTAT]

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners. Because in poker it is possible to have an edge even after a 5% rake is taken off from you.
If the cards were random, then some players, playing (in no limit tables) only the very strong hands and fold everything else, would have a huge gross edge e.g. 20%. which less the 5% rake, leaves a net edge of e.g. 15%, and thus they would keep making profits. If there was no rake, they would make even greater profits. Thus the casinos would have to keep paying these winners. I guess this is what happened when online poker was first introduced, I guess it wasnt rigged and the cards were random. Casinos were paying much to some winners. So the managements decided to stop this profit leaking. So in the last years they manipulate the cards to force the advantage players to lose as many extra times as necessary so that eventually they make no profits, and thus that there are no winners in the long run. "Coincedentally" the advantage players experience an extreme negative variance (bad luck) that never stops. Hundreds, thousands of hands, nope, it never stops. Such extreme bad luck has less of 1% probability of happening, thus this is the statistical proof for cheating, as it did not happen only to me, but also to many others. These advantage players did not become losers because of the rake. Because if they had an average luck, they would make big profits, AFTER the rake is taken off.

I do not know about all this but it does make a little sense...

 

[peteyweestro]

dude your an idiot!!!

 

[bernynhel]

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and.

That's it! We're busted!! C'mon WinBig, Petey, time to pack up n go home. WTG Thod! Now how am I sposed to make the payments on my lifetime supply of Oh So Special Deep Tissue Massages by Mistress Zephyr-Lin/50% Happy Finish Guaranteed???

 

[peteyweestro]

you gave up to easy bern........

 

[Chatmaster]

It seems I have to repeat this many times to make you understand it: They DO have a reason to manipulate the cards. They manipulate them so that eventually there are no winners.

Ok, lets just get this clear, you have absolutely no idea what you are saying. If you do the maths, what you are suggesting is a sure way for any poker room to close doors very early. I can assure you that it is not the case. There are winners, infact there are players that makes a living playing online poker, a very good living. They are brilliant players that have mastered all the aspects of online poker. Online poker is different to land based in many ways but mostly play strategy.

 

[Chatmaster]

All these posters in casinomesiter and other forums who are desperatelly trying to convince us that online poker is not rigged, are affiliates and casino representatives, who would lose future profits if the truth prevails. They know it is rigged. And all these online poker "professionals" are affiliates. Their profits are from affiliate commisions.

I am a poker player, ex-casino employee and an affiliate. I do not promote poker as an affiliate, nor would you find my affiliate site's link anywhere in my signature, and am probably someone you would call a disgruntled ex-casino employee. But I have worked with online poker and also played it for many years. You speak from inexperience and have clearly been mislead to believe that people speaking up for poker must be people that can gain from their views, financially. That is usually the stand point of someone that are so convinced of his own opinion that he cannot think neutrally about it, has no evidence to back his "opinion" nor are willing to debate it with logic. Open your mind to more thoughts on this topic, you will be surprised to see how little sense your opinion makes.

 

[pokeraddict]

I tried to talk logically to this guy as I am not only a winning poker player but I'm not an affiliate, rep or anything related to these poker rooms. He won't be convinced because he has lost a ton of money and has to blame someone. You're basically just feeding the troll. When you stop feeding trolls they usually go away.

Anyone wondered why he won most annoying poster?

 

[Chatmaster]

You're basically just feeding the troll. When you stop feeding trolls they usually go away.

Thanks pokeraddict, will do, can't say I didn't try!

 

[fatshaft]

totally agree with everything you have said you have to be an idiot not to think they are fixed!! you can do anything with software EG with video pokers you can fix them never to pay a royal flush so goodness knows what these poker companies can do PS my girlfriend is a web designer and iternet marketing expert with a very high IQ she played online poker after years of playing "real" cards 2 weeks later she said never again would she paly online poker Quote "the software is fixed"

Are we speaking in relative terms in relation to the "very high IQ" of your girlfriend?

 

[winbig]

That's it! We're busted!! C'mon WinBig, Petey, time to pack up n go home. WTG Thod! Now how am I sposed to make the payments on my lifetime supply of Oh So Special Deep Tissue Massages by Mistress Zephyr-Lin/50% Happy Finish Guaranteed???

you forgot the Ch34P \/14GR4!

 

[dazlazz]

Thodorisk

Hi Thodorisk,

For your poker queries, have you tried playing the different network freerolls on offer, and trying to get an understanding of how the different networks 'deliver' cards?

There are quite a good few freerolls out there with no conditions to play, so why not take your poker playing experiments into those spheres, to confirm whether your 'poker is rigged' theory is correct?

regards,

Dazzla

 

[Chatmaster]

That will not work. He will simply state that the Freerolls aren't rigged but the others are,...

 

[ThodorisK]

Check out my new posts at the thread below, where I have refined and compressed my arguments, as well as a strange incedent at the beginning of the thread:
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[ThodorisK]

Weird, let me try again:
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[winbig]

Trying to defend your title?

See you in 2 months!

 

[pokeraddict]

Trying to defend your title?

See you in 2 months!

LOL yeah CM has never had back to back most annoying poster winners. Even with 2 months off he will still probably be #1 again.

 

[ThodorisK]

I am luckis at willhill. Observe how I was cheated TODAY. Many more such crazy beats, but Game #7619996474 was the last I played. (luckily I stubbled on the Game #7616461384 while I was searching in hand history for Game #7619996474 !) I chated with the player who called my all in with JQ preflop, I told him How did you know you would win? You know the cards, you are the management. No player whould go all in with these cards. And he said No, I wish I was the management, I just started poker these days, I have no idea how to play.

Game #7616461384: Hold'em NL (0.03/0.06) - 2008/09/02 - 12:54:29 (UK)
Table "Echeoea" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Section8 (6 in chips)
Seat 2: Tnucpot sits out
Seat 3: Chiledout (2.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Blufornot (19.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Jacko123 (2.54 in chips)
Seat 6: Luckis (4.97 in chips)
Blufornot: posts small blind 0.03
Jacko123: posts big blind 0.06
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Luckis [9h 9c]
Luckis: raises to 0.30
Section8: folds
Blufornot: calls 0.27
Jacko123: folds
----- FLOP ----- [9s 8s 4h]
Blufornot: bets 0.24
Luckis: raises to 0.48
Blufornot: calls 0.24
----- TURN ----- [9s 8s 4h][8d]
Blufornot: checks
Luckis: bets 0.24
Blufornot: raises to 0.90
Luckis: raises to 1.56
Blufornot: raises to 18.67 and is all-in
Luckis: is all-in 2.63
Returned uncalled bets 14.48 to Blufornot
----- RIVER ----- [9s 8s 4h 8d][8c]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Blufornot: shows [Ah 8h] (Four of a kind, Eights, Ace high)
Luckis: shows [9h 9c] (A Full House, Nines full of Eights)
Blufornot collected 9.50 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 10 Main pot 9.50 Rake 0.50
Board [9s 8s 4h 8d 8c]
Seat 1: Section8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Blufornot (small blind) showed [Ah 8h] and won (9.50) with Four of a kind, Eights, Ace high
Seat 5: Jacko123 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Luckis showed [9h 9c] and lost with A Full House, Nines full of Eights



Game #7619996474: Hold'em NL (0.03/0.06) - 2008/09/02 - 20:23:16 (UK)
Table "Torbaim" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: mainmank (14.09 in chips)
Seat 2: Afrodite (6.11 in chips)
Seat 3: Gavi29104 (3.59 in chips)
Seat 4: Aling (5.21 in chips)
Seat 5: Luckis (4.82 in chips)
Seat 6: furet (12.91 in chips)
Luckis: posts small blind 0.03
furet: posts big blind 0.06
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Luckis [7h 7c]
mainmank: folds
Afrodite: folds
Gavi29104: calls 0.06
Aling: folds
Luckis: raises to 0.54
furet: folds
Gavi29104: calls 0.48
----- FLOP ----- [3d 8c 6h]
Luckis: bets 4.28 and is all-in
Gavi29104: is all-in 3.05
Returned uncalled bets 1.23 to Luckis
----- TURN ----- [3d 8c 6h][Qs]
----- RIVER ----- [3d 8c 6h Qs][2c]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Luckis: shows [7h 7c] (A Pair of Sevens, Queen high)
Gavi29104: shows [Js Qd] (A Pair of Queens, Jack high)
Gavi29104 collected 6.88 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot 7.24 Main pot 6.88 Rake 0.36
Board [3d 8c 6h Qs 2c]
Seat 1: mainmank folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Afrodite folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Gavi29104 showed [Js Qd] and won (6.88) with A Pair of Queens, Jack high
Seat 4: Aling (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Luckis (small blind) showed [7h 7c] and lost with A Pair of Sevens, Queen high
Seat 6: furet (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[winbig]

omg, I thought we were rid of you once and for all.

Is this on the prima network? If so, I'll be looking for you. Care for some HU play?

 

[pokeraddict]

Will Hill is a Crypto and lmfao at "I got bad beat and cheated at 6 NL". Does .03/.06 really tilt you that bad?

 

[winbig]

OK THODORISK:

IS THIS RIGGED TOO?????????? 1 OUTER!

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ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[ThodorisK]

Of course it's not the first time of such a JQ call of my all in, (otherwise I wouldnt post this one), it ALWAYS happens when I start winning.

 

[GaryWatson]

Of course it's not the first time of such a JQ call of my all in, (otherwise I wouldnt post this one), it ALWAYS happens when I start winning.

You have convinced me

Tetris is rigged. I kept getting though the rounds and the bricks kept going faster and faster until I eventually lost. I have 12 pages of proof and im threatening to post it

 

[fatshaft]

Game #7616461384: Hold'em NL (0.03/0.06)

end thread?

 

[zebedy]

thodorisk, he wouldnt be known as tuff fish would he,

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that guy totally cracks me up listening to his rants

 

[winbig]

thodorisk, he wouldnt be known as tuff fish would he,

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that guy totally cracks me up listening to his rants

I could watch tuff fish for hours

 

[The Dude]

Admin Warning - thread closed

Thread upgraded to closed since it's nothing but a troll-scape for ThodorisK who has been warned and banned a couple of times for violating the forum rules. Specifically rules that cover troll posts, and spamming agendas.

Strike three and you're out, bud. Do it again and see what happens.