How to start you day in a bad mood!

[dogshead1]

Yep that's right.

How is best to get yourself in a bad mood first thing in the morning other than Play through a loss of £300 returning 786 spins 2 mega s**t features of 7x and 8x and Extra Wild base game feature with not one wild in sight on Jurassic Park Slot!!!

Absolute piece of s**t this slot is. This is my typical return every session for a whole year. Every since I won this at Smartlive casino and never saw a penny of my win!!!



Seen many write ups of a free spins hit frequency of 172 spins average ahahahahahahaha not when I'm playing it ain't and when I eventually pay around £300 to get it I win less than a tenner. Do one Microgaming but this, Immortal Romance, Thunderstruck 2 and T2 and Jurassic World are all totally s**t and knowhere near returning wins as much as they used to and should do to players.

I think I'm done with Microgaming. Not wasting my time anymore paying average of £300 to hit a mega s**t feature they can fuck off!

 

[dunover]

There seems to be a groundswell of feeling on here lately that all slots in general have gone 'tighter than they used to be..'

I can't see this myself, but then again it's something I have experienced of late too. Winning is becoming a distant memory, like a flat stomach and being able to spring out of bed in the morning.

 

[geordiecolin]

To avoid your day getting off to a bad start I thoroughly recommend having sex before breakfast. Preferably with someone that you still like

 

[trancemonkey]

To avoid your day getting off to a bad start I thoroughly recommend having sex before breakfast. Preferably with someone that you still like

Won't the wife ask me where i'm going when i disappear every morning?!

 

[geordiecolin]

Won't the wife ask me where i'm going when i disappear every morning?!

Croupiers knock off at just the right time of a morning to avoid the Mrs waking up smelling something fishy. You can be back before sunrise

 

[trancemonkey]

Croupiers knock off at just the right time of a morning to avoid the Mrs waking up smelling something fishy. You can be back before sunrise

My wife always smells fishy in the morning

 

[geordiecolin]

My wife always smells fishy in the morning

I guess she is called TranceFunky?

 

[dogshead1]

To avoid your day getting off to a bad start I thoroughly recommend having sex before breakfast. Preferably with someone that you still like

Won't the wife ask me where i'm going when i disappear every morning?!

There seems to be a groundswell of feeling on here lately that all slots in general have gone 'tighter than they used to be..'

I can't see this myself, but then again it's something I have experienced of late too. Winning is becoming a distant memory, like a flat stomach and being able to spring out of bed in the morning.

Not wanting to even believe it is possible but anything is after playing Pokerstars for 15 years and being witness to the corruption they undertook along with Full Tilt poker and Absolute Poker. There is still feeling that Pokerstars aparant random shuffle is not random at all and I have well into o a millions hands worth of data in the past 4 years alone to suggest the theoretical return to the player with solid holdings are not getting the return they should showing a flaw in the post flop outcome of hands. This has been highlight by Many professionals and regular players. Pokerstars was banned from the US market in 2010.

Smart live more recently committed large scale fraud and potential money laundering which is now being investigated a year on after I help to instigate which members of Ask Gamblers who all fell victim to it. The UKGC stayed away from it and still to this day as they have with Pokerstars. The same company's investigating Smartlive are now investigating along with consumer watchdog a large number of U.K. Regulated online casinos.

True that games seem to be getting tighter as of late and everyone is highlighting this. I've see. A large number of your vids about Jungle Spirit mentioning that something seems odd about its pattern of play and it's possible memory. Ok unrealistic as it sounds but the notice this too. I have just won £500 on it past 2 days so will stay away as experienced before it seems to remember every time you log in no matter what day or casino it eats most of it if not all and more before turning again.

So is it feasibly possible that the gaming providers and casinos are tightening up and grabbing as much as they can before they are exposed and banned from the UK?

Let's not to mention all affiliates at Pokerstars had their contracts amended in favour of a reduction of return for sign ups at the drop of a hat without warning or and legal right too a few years back.

We are all having fun winning some and losing some but seemlessly lining the pockets of multi billion pound businesses.

Just a thought

 

[trancemonkey]

So is it feasibly possible that the gaming providers and casinos are tightening up and grabbing as much as they can before they are exposed and banned from the UK?

Let's not to mention all affiliates at Pokerstars had their contracts amended in favour of a reduction of return for sign ups at the drop of a hat without warning or and legal right too a few years back.

We are all having fun winning some and losing some but seemlessly lining the pockets of multi billion pound businesses.

Just a thought

No it isn't - the UK is a HUGE market for companies... why would someone like NetEnt make the kind of decision you suggest? Do you honestly think the CEO has said:

"Hey everyone - let's fleece the players a little bit. We know we'll get caught and banned in the end, but short term gain right? We're happy to lose that entire market worth millions just to make a few hundred thousand more this year..."

So no, sorry - it's not feasibly possible. If they got caught doing it in the UK, or any other market, they would likely be banned around the world my MGA, UKGC, Kahawake, New Jersey, etc... It would, like with Sherriff Gaming, destroy the company.

All the games will continue to hit the RTP they state, and people will continue to think something is rigged because "they don't win all the time" or "games have changed" when most probably their player behaviour changes. And i have seen a LOT of statistical proof that player behaviour changes over time - average bets, etc.. That's fact not fiction...

 

[goatwack]

I avoid rigged slots altogether by not getting up in the morning. That way I can sleep/ daydream about those glorious wildlines or just hitting the cashout button

 

[nojoke]

Yep that's right.

How is best to get yourself in a bad mood first thing in the morning other than Play through a loss of £300 returning 786 spins 2 mega s**t features of 7x and 8x and Extra Wild base game feature with not one wild in sight on Jurassic Park Slot!!!

Absolute piece of s**t this slot is. This is my typical return every session for a whole year. Every since I won this at Smartlive casino and never saw a penny of my win!!!



Seen many write ups of a free spins hit frequency of 172 spins average ahahahahahahaha not when I'm playing it ain't and when I eventually pay around £300 to get it I win less than a tenner. Do one Microgaming but this, Immortal Romance, Thunderstruck 2 and T2 and Jurassic World are all totally s**t and knowhere near returning wins as much as they used to and should do to players.

I think I'm done with Microgaming. Not wasting my time anymore paying average of £300 to hit a mega s**t feature they can fuck off!

I thought you was gonna say that you s**t the bed.
Thas not a good way to start the day.

 

[goatwack]

I'm proud to state I've never s**t the bed at any time of my life. I was somewhat of a 'wetter', however.

Been two weeks and three days now, going strong

 

[geordiecolin]

No it isn't - the UK is a HUGE market for companies... why would someone like NetEnt make the kind of decision you suggest? Do you honestly think the CEO has said:

"Hey everyone - let's fleece the players a little bit. We know we'll get caught and banned in the end, but short term gain right? We're happy to lose that entire market worth millions just to make a few hundred thousand more this year..."

So no, sorry - it's not feasibly possible. If they got caught doing it in the UK, or any other market, they would likely be banned around the world my MGA, UKGC, Kahawake, New Jersey, etc... It would, like with Sherriff Gaming, destroy the company.

All the games will continue to hit the RTP they state, and people will continue to think something is rigged because "they don't win all the time" or "games have changed" when most probably their player behaviour changes. And i have seen a LOT of statistical proof that player behaviour changes over time - average bets, etc.. That's fact not fiction...

I recall when I first started slotting online being horrified even by the thought of depositing and losing an extra £10 or £20 on top of my original £10 deposit. I recall stupidly thinking "I only deposited a tenner and now I'm up to £60. Will they pay out when I intend to take the money and run? ". I genuinely thought that way to begin with.

The thing is that just as those who witness starvation around the world and other horrible events,we become numb to it to a significant enough a degree that losing that £10 becomes losing £100/£1000 and its soon forgotten about.
This possibly is true for some about knowing when to stop,when to not raise their bets and when not to redeposit. There is a danger of it becoming like an unwelcome immunity.

 

[geordiecolin]

I'm proud to state I've never s**t the bed at any time of my life. I was somewhat of a 'wetter', however.

Been two weeks and three days now, going strong

I too am proud to say I have never s**t the bed. But thats due to wearing very tight thick boxers of a night

 

[Jono777]

There is corruption and general "dodgyness" in every industry, back handers, brown paper bags, you scratch my back etc so I refuse to believe this industry is 100% squeaky clean.

I think, no make that I know that in the next 100 years or more, no one will prove anything and whatever is going on (been it dodgy or legal, fact games are tighter than they used to be) will remain undisclosed.

They (whoever 'they are) must read these posts (really Jon?) and sit there laughing their bollocks (or tits) off.

Auditors etc are in their back pockets and what difference will 10,000 foil hat players (all who can throw those hats with pride, something is amiss) make, None!

I never can resist a good conspiracy theory thread but they are so commonplace now surely we cannot all be wrong?

Stats, screenshots etc etc in their abundance are pointless, if it ever came to argument we'd all be told that the games will meet their RTP long, long after we are all dead and buried

I play as I always have done, knowing I can afford to lose, after this I stop. Big difference now though is the enjoyment factor is all but gone, it used to be 7/10 value for money play time whether I withdrew or not now its nearer 2/10 and has been for ages, along with many others I feel.

Puns, jokes and sarcasm aside, I seriously predict within the next 12 months something major in terms of underhandedness will come to light, trust me! - Sadly however as I say it will never come to anything as evidence and proof will suddenly disappear!

 

[Harry_BKK]

You all are forgetting one vital fact: There are millions more players nowadays and the CM community has grown only by a few dozen active members. I bet that with more members we would have a different picture on how the slots perform as we would have considerably more screenshots

That said, the chances to be THE ONE to hit those monster wins have reduced drastically. At the same time the so-called "dead" session have increased exponentially, since the same slots have to feed millions more.

Since reducing my budget to $500-600 / month I don't hit the cashout button that often anymore unless it is in the thousands because i can totally afford to lose those few hundred bucks, doesn't hurt me in the slightest. This has the effect that I play e.g. Bonanza, TSII or DoA for 6-8 hours straight. And mostly far from $0.20/0.30/0.09 bets, more in the $0.90 - $4.50 range and honestly, I mostly get tons of hours for my dosh.

Could have hit the withdrawal button many times with $200 - $400 profit but hardly ever did. Thanks to two big hits in excess of $5K and cashouts of $5.7K and $7k I do still have some reserves to play once the normal budget is depleted, but then i play with low bets. Currently, my last deposit was on Thursday last week.

Two days ago I got some $12 bucks from the 15FS on Spinions at VS and played Bonanza and DoA for hours with that money, making over 900 race-qualifying spins. Last week at VS I made it from a $70 deposit to $450 on Bonanza and didn't withdraw, lost it all at the end but i had hours of fun. The next day, $31 cashback, again Bonanza up to $340, again didn't withdraw and played for hours and hours. A few days prior to that at Rizk, $100 in, DoA quickly to $560, never cashed out and went on to loose another $500, but again hours and hours of play.

I have rarely a session where I am not ahead by $100 - $150 but just never withdraw the profit as I use to do in the years prior to cutting my gaming budget to a modest $500 -$600 / month. The "obsession" to win and make it to a withdrawal is gone and funnily, i am good with it.

 

[trancemonkey]

There is corruption and general "dodgyness" in every industry, back handers, brown paper bags, you scratch my back etc so I refuse to believe this industry is 100% squeaky clean.

I think, no make that I know that in the next 100 years or more, no one will prove anything and whatever is going on (been it dodgy or legal, fact games are tighter than they used to be) will remain undisclosed.

They (whoever 'they are) must read these posts (really Jon?) and sit there laughing their bollocks (or tits) off.

Auditors etc are in their back pockets and what difference will 10,000 foil hat players (all who can throw those hats with pride, something is amiss) make, None!

I never can resist a good conspiracy theory thread but they are so commonplace now surely we cannot all be wrong?

Stats, screenshots etc etc in their abundance are pointless, if it ever came to argument we'd all be told that the games will meet their RTP long, long after we are all dead and buried

I play as I always have done, knowing I can afford to lose, after this I stop. Big difference now though is the enjoyment factor is all but gone, it used to be 7/10 value for money play time whether I withdrew or not now its nearer 2/10 and has been for ages, along with many others I feel.

Puns, jokes and sarcasm aside, I seriously predict within the next 12 months something major in terms of underhandedness will come to light, trust me! - Sadly however as I say it will never come to anything as evidence and proof will suddenly disappear!

So, as i've asked in other threads, what proof would you require in order to prove they aren't rigged...

And screenshots / short term stats / gut feeling is not proof of rigged... just because you aren't winning doesn't mean they are rigged...

I mean - they are rigged against you anyway via the RTP... if we wanted to rig the games more, we'd just lower the RTP!

 

[dogshead1]

You all are forgetting one vital fact: There are millions more players nowadays and the CM community has grown only by a few dozen active members. I bet that with more members we would have a different picture on how the slots perform as we would have considerably more screenshots

That said, the chances to be THE ONE to hit those monster wins have reduced drastically. At the same time the so-called "dead" session have increased exponentially, since the same slots have to feed millions more.

Since reducing my budget to $500-600 / month I don't hit the cashout button that often anymore unless it is in the thousands because i can totally afford to lose those few hundred bucks, doesn't hurt me in the slightest. This has the effect that I play e.g. Bonanza, TSII or DoA for 6-8 hours straight. And mostly far from $0.20/0.30/0.09 bets, more in the $0.90 - $4.50 range and honestly, I mostly get tons of hours for my dosh.

Could have hit the withdrawal button many times with $200 - $400 profit but hardly ever did. Thanks to two big hits in excess of $5K and cashouts of $5.7K and $7k I do still have some reserves to play once the normal budget is depleted, but then i play with low bets. Currently, my last deposit was on Thursday last week.

Two days ago I got some $12 bucks from the 15FS on Spinions at VS and played Bonanza and DoA for hours with that money, making over 900 race-qualifying spins. Last week at VS I made it from a $70 deposit to $450 on Bonanza and didn't withdraw, lost it all at the end but i had hours of fun. The next day, $31 cashback, again Bonanza up to $340, again didn't withdraw and played for hours and hours. A few days prior to that at Rizk, $100 in, DoA quickly to $560, never cashed out and went on to loose another $500, but again hours and hours of play.

I have rarely a session where I am not ahead by $100 - $150 but just never withdraw the profit as I use to do in the years prior to cutting my gaming budget to a modest $500 -$600 / month. The "obsession" to win and make it to a withdrawal is gone and funnily, i am good with it.

By the sound off that statement you've had some extremely very good run sessions with a balance of 100 - 200 spins at min bet to run up soo huge a profit your mad not to have made a withdrawal to be honest.

Further to add to you statement of the slots having to feed millions more players that would have no impact on constant poor returns or dead sessions at all. It's just millions more money feeding the game.

That said it should potentially run better with less cold spots as the money going in is a constant and bigger flow creating a larger pool

 

[Jono777]

So, as i've asked in other threads, what proof would you require in order to prove they aren't rigged...

And screenshots / short term stats / gut feeling is not proof of rigged... just because you aren't winning doesn't mean they are rigged...

I mean - they are rigged against you anyway via the RTP... if we wanted to rig the games more, we'd just lower the RTP!

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this rigged or not matter which crops up now almost daily.

I totally appreciate your at the stage where its "AARRGHH, what have I got to do......" and equally frustrating that you simply cannot overlook these type of posts as I self admittedly cannot either

I am going to totally abandon the word rigged now. If I use it again (other than a jokey post) you have every right to come around and slap me ...ok!

What I will say is that I've played online for 14 years now so imagine some of the older games I still play to this day I have done million's of spins, hundreds of sessions / deposits.

I would not post none factual information, in that there IS a difference, not stating the 'R' word or that RTP is lowered but they do simply not play like they used to.

Imagine you went to the same restaurant once a week , every week and their pie n chips tasted the same, then the last visit it was a bit more spicy, still a meat pie but changed, that's the sort of point I'm trying to make, although futile I feel.

Said over and over again, other than the odd bout of sarcasm or a post 'bust' I don't truly believe they are rigged against us otherwise I wouldn't deposit/play - It is also very hard, nigh on impossible to explain over 'text talk' what I really mean too.

As I say nowt personal, ever, trust me I'm a decent bloke - What I will do moving forwards is try and stay out of 'R' threads as best I can, no promises but I'll try!

 

[trancemonkey]

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this rigged or not matter which crops up now almost daily.

I totally appreciate your at the stage where its "AARRGHH, what have I got to do......" and equally frustrating that you simply cannot overlook these type of posts as I self admittedly cannot either

I am going to totally abandon the word rigged now. If I use it again (other than a jokey post) you have every right to come around and slap me ...ok!

What I will say is that I've played online for 14 years now so imagine some of the older games I still play to this day I have done million's of spins, hundreds of sessions / deposits.

I would not post none factual information, in that there IS a difference, not stating the 'R' word or that RTP is lowered but they do simply not play like they used to.

Imagine you went to the same restaurant once a week , every week and their pie n chips tasted the same, then the last visit it was a bit more spicy, still a meat pie but changed, that's the sort of point I'm trying to make, although futile I feel.

Said over and over again, other than the odd bout of sarcasm or a post 'bust' I don't truly believe they are rigged against us otherwise I wouldn't deposit/play - It is also very hard, nigh on impossible to explain over 'text talk' what I really mean too.

As I say nowt personal, ever, trust me I'm a decent bloke - What I will do moving forwards is try and stay out of 'R' threads as best I can, no promises but I'll try!

Happy to meet for a beer / cider or two I'm based near Birmingham when i'm in the UK

I totally get the "things have changed" argument, and i'm sure that in some cases games HAVE changed over time - and i will never argue that someone's feelings are wrong, because they are personal to them.

All i will add is that whilst there are unscrupulous people in the gambling industry (look at Sherriff Games, BTG rigging their own competitions, Poker Stars), and i'm sure there are more we don't know about, there is not an industry wide conspiracy where we've all got together and said we'll all lie, all agree to compensate our games in cahoots with the casinos, and get one over on players and regulators worldwide.

The sheer number of people that would have to be involved in order to pull that off would be mind boggling - as Dunover pointed out, he knows of well over 100 game providers making games for the online market - and now imagine how many people are working in the online casions those providers give their games to.

If you do the maths, it would probably be well over 100,000 people who would have to be "in on it" in order to rig all the games the way some people think they are done. And yet it only takes one person to come out and say something and the whole thing collapses instantly with a massive worldwide story which would pretty much destroy the online market instantly... Customer confidence is easy to lose and hard to win...

So anyway - if you ever fancy a beer / cider / whatever, PM me...

More than happy to meet up and listen to peoples concerns / worries / thoughts...

 

[Harry_BKK]

By the sound off that statement you've had some extremely very good run sessions with a balance of 100 - 200 spins at min bet to run up soo huge a profit your mad not to have made a withdrawal to be honest.

Further to add to you statement of the slots having to feed millions more players that would have no impact on constant poor returns or dead sessions at all. It's just millions more money feeding the game.

That said it should potentially run better with less cold spots as the money going in is a constant and bigger flow creating a larger pool

I never play at minimum bet unless i get only a few bucks cashback, FS or race winnings. And it did not have huge wins either, Bonanza regularly goes 1,000+ spins within a bonus round or a base win in excess of 30x bet, you just have to make it through that phase, and often enough i don't, but still most times i get decent play time, which is my main point of playing slots, and also the reason why i only play HV games. If there is the odd hit it will be in the thousands, if not I had a good time.

Yes, you are in one way right regarding the millions more feeding the slots, as that is what logic tells us. But it is a difference if you have 100 or 10,000 vying for the same very rare monster wins. The best examples are the free battles at VS. I have studied them intensely over weeks.

The CET morning battles are never full and the RTP results from last to first are much closer, with only the odd spike at the top and the bottom. Now, when you look at the CET evening battles which are regularly full with 500 players you can see a few huge RTP returns at the top and a lot more extremely poor results at the bottom.

In essence, more players means a lot more bad losing results and not too many but huge wins at the top. I almost get the feeling that the games are pre-selecting who the winners will be as they get inundated with bonus round after bonus round, big base game pay after big base game pay, ending 100 spins with 400, 500% RTP. Why? I don't know, but what i know is that in normal play I rarely achieve 100% RTP in the first 100 spins, and can't even remember when i had the last 500% RTP result in the first 100 spins

 

[Yellowsamuel]

This is my typical return every session for a whole year. Every since I won this at Smartlive casino and never saw a penny of my win!!!!

How come you did not get your winnings?

 

[Yellowsamuel]

. The best examples are the free battles at VS. I have studied them intensely over weeks.

The CET morning battles are never full and the RTP results from last to first are much closer, with only the odd spike at the top and the bottom. Now, when you look at the CET evening battles which are regularly full with 500 players you can see a few huge RTP returns at the top and a lot more extremely poor results at the bottom. :

Yeah I find you get a lot of information about a slot this way,
Have you ever done a spread sheet of a battle result?
Gather the final total result and see how much is wagered against how much was paid out
I tried to do this but my spreadsheet skills are poor,(more a photoshop guy) i'm sure someone who knows Excel could do this in a few mins
Just copy and paste the results. Would make interesting viewing.