How Bad Is It In Germany? Europe?

[datch]

Oh dear someone has entered Gemix la la land!

Thank you! good post what a useful contribution.

 

[Casino2014man]

My liberal elite? Oh man. You know what? Its simple: what you call liberal media will show you pics and vids where you will hardly find males except from fathers with

their children. On the other side the rightwing media will show you exclusively pics and vids where you will hardly find women and children. You will see young styled

males, laughing and playing with their smartphones... Do you see the pattern? The truth is somewhere between.

Your first point is bullshit and you know it. It doesnt get more valid if you are more cynical.

Your second point is bull... too. Nearly everytime you use words like "most" you are terrible wrong. Most have no ID? Its not true^^ Without ID they will never get

citizenship and they know it. Your generalisations regarding muslims are disgusting and dangerous. The good thing is that most people are not like you.


But I think we agreed to disagree at some earlier point. Remember, dont smoke your tinfoil!!



ps: whats your lifeleakusername please?

Sorry, but it is quite well known that most turn up having 'lost' their ID. Got their iphones though!

 

[dunover]

My liberal elite? Oh man. You know what? Its simple: what you call liberal media will show you pics and vids where you will hardly find males except from fathers with

their children. On the other side the rightwing media will show you exclusively pics and vids where you will hardly find women and children. You will see young styled

males, laughing and playing with their smartphones... Do you see the pattern? The truth is somewhere between.

Your first point is bullshit and you know it. It doesnt get more valid if you are more cynical.

Your second point is bull... too. Nearly everytime you use words like "most" you are terrible wrong. Most have no ID? Its not true^^ Without ID they will never get

citizenship and they know it. Your generalisations regarding muslims are disgusting and dangerous. The good thing is that most people are not like you.


But I think we agreed to disagree at some earlier point. Remember, dont smoke your tinfoil!!



ps: whats your lifeleakusername please?

Yes, some have ID - but whose?

'Bullshit' you may call my first point, but both of those instances have actually occurred here - yes, EU laws have been used for owning a cat to avoid deportation as it can be considered 'part of a family'!!! And of course having a child, quickly. Before you call my comments 'bullshit' take a search.....

I stand by my observations regarding muslims. These have (mostly) been indoctrinated from the age of 2 onwards and will always put their cult before your western liberal beliefs, traditions and morals. This trouble that occurs rises exponentially as their numbers grow. It has been proven already in every European nation that has taken them in. Just look for the reality, it's out there. No, not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim.

 

[datch]

Sorry, but it is quite well known that most turn up having 'lost' their ID. Got their iphones though!

Ok, you got me. But these who dont want to reveal their identity learn fast, that they dont have any possibilities without a proven real ID. They will never get citizenship

or be able to leave the asylum center, to work ect. At the point they realise this they often reveal their identities.

Whats a big problem are fake syrian passports, as ISIS has captured the necessary machines from the government. BIG problem.

 

[datch]

..No, not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim.

What do you want to say now? Shoot all muslims?? What is your solution?

your username@lifeleak please

 

[syntynyt]

i've done my job trying to tell the facts, and now i'm done. who had the eyes to see and compare the aforementioned facts with real world events good for them, if i had the power to change the view to one single person then mission accomplished, with the price to knock any public reputation and be seen like a racist. i'm a tree of knowledge when it comes to major world events of past years, rummaging informations from the real independent journalists on terrain(anonymous ones) from TOR, mainstream media and underground media, just that i don't know to write as good as i understand. everything mass-media shown with every occasion, including israel-palestina war, ukraine fiasco, financial crisis, 9/11, haiti earthquake, the origin of isis, this immigration wave, everything is bullshit - identified culprits are never the right ones and facts are distorted to suits circumstances, they rely on public emotions, so if any that want to inform themselves from all sides and put in balance the facts then start by looking for a second opinion. if would not be risky i would have started a blog in native language by now, informing the sheeple and saving them from lie injected comfort zone, but like this thread, with the price of what if they insist in what goverment tells them and the media.
datch, one more thing. this forum is live since 98'. online casino industry is rising. whenever it happens to you(or to a close relative you love) scenarios written here(is not a matter of if, is of when), even if is in 2017 or 2028 the forum will probably still be up, so don't forget to step in and tell that youve been wrong. i wish you luck to never happen and say it though.
done with this thread and subject until will evolve in something very worse.

 

[datch]

datch, one more thing. this forum is live since 98'. online casino industry is rising. whenever it happens to you(or to a close relative you love) scenarios written here(is not a matter of if, is of when), even if is in 2017 or 2028 the forum will probably still be up, so don't forget to step in and tell that youve been wrong. i wish you luck to never happen and say it though.

Agreed! The same goes for you.

I am done here, too. Feeling like Don Quichotte

 

[lockinlove]

Sorry to correct you but: Most muslim migrants actually ARE fully integrated into the european society. At least in Germany.

"Muslim 'refugees' have also been barred from some public swimming pools for inappropriate behaviour to women and young girls." There was such a case, true. The

prohibition was lifted the next day or so.

Now you are just making stuff up to try and make yourself look right.

A few days ago it was reported two men tried to carry out sharia law by stoning a german woman in the streets.

Also dozens of sex assault accusations recently..one in particular where a german woman was approached by several syrian refugees and hurled insults and sexually derogatory comments.

Islam and the Qu' ran is disgusting. And im pretty sure the Quran was written by a serial nutjob rapist.

 

[datch]

Now you are just making stuff up to try and make yourself look right.

A few days ago it was reported two men tried to carry out sharia law by stoning a german woman in the streets.

Also dozens of sex assault accusations recently..one in particular where a german woman was approached by several syrian refugees and hurled insults and sexually derogatory comments.

Islam and the Qu' ran is disgusting. And im pretty sure the Quran was written by a serial nutjob rapist.

I am done here, too. Feeling like Don Quichotte

See above. I think it's enough said.

 

[hedgehok]

Just to chime in. The thruth indeed lies in the middle. I can't say much about the distribution of integrated Muslims compared to delinquent Muslims. However the situation here is a far cry from chaos. Basically all people are doing what they where doing before. Media depending on political standpoint and agenda will come up with the according story. Certainly there is increasing crime due to the migrants. No doubt here. But what has to be the consequence? Deportation surely.

You can be sure that most of the migrants will actually integrate. Just watch the Turks that immigrated in the 1960's - also Muslims. 2 generations later I think probably 95% of them are very well integrated, doing their jobs, paying taxes and live a moderate form of Islamism in all day life - getting along with the Christians very well. And you have to be aware that most of these Turks where poor farmers, poorly educated during their time in Turkey. Integration will take decades and will usually need 1-2 generations.

I'm quite confident that the same will happen with most of the current migrants too. Surely you have to take decisive action against criminal migrants. But what is astonishing is the lack of impartiality during the whole discussion. Not everything is bad. How terrible it has to be with all the hate in your hearts.

 

[dunover]

Just to chime in. The thruth indeed lies in the middle. I can't say much about the distribution of integrated Muslims compared to delinquent Muslims. However the situation here is a far cry from chaos. Basically all people are doing what they where doing before. Media depending on political standpoint and agenda will come up with the according story. Certainly there is increasing crime due to the migrants. No doubt here. But what has to be the consequence? Deportation surely.

You can be sure that most of the migrants will actually integrate. Just watch the Turks that immigrated in the 1960's - also Muslims. 2 generations later I think probably 95% of them are very well integrated, doing their jobs, paying taxes and live a moderate form of Islamism in all day life - getting along with the Christians very well. And you have to be aware that most of these Turks where poor farmers, poorly educated during their time in Turkey. Integration will take decades and will usually need 1-2 generations.

I'm quite confident that the same will happen with most of the current migrants too. Surely you have to take decisive action again criminal migrants. But what is astonishing is the lack of impartiality during the whole discussion. Not everything is bad. How terrible it has to be with all the hate in your hearts.

The Turks aren't the best example really. They come from a mainly secular more modern state which has always had contact and influence from the West. In reality they are sometimes targets of the hard-line musllim nutjobs because of this.

 

[petro]

Just a follow up

This topic came up in the Australian news last week.
Here is an article about it:

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It seems an outcome of the Cologne sex attacks was a re-examination of the laws surrounding sexual assault in Germany.

From the article:
We have a situation where … even touching the breasts or vagina can’t be punished in the logic of that law, because if the perpetrator does it very quickly, you don’t have time to resist. It seems weird and crazy, but that’s German law.
The law focuses on the overwhelming force of the perpetrator, reportedly requiring there to be a "threat of imminent danger to life and limb" As such, for a court to rule a woman was raped, she must prove she physically resisted her attacker with bruises or other injuries on her body.

 

[jetset]

This topic came up in the Australian news last week.
Here is an article about it:

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It seems an outcome of the Cologne sex attacks was a re-examination of the laws surrounding sexual assault in Germany.

From the article:
We have a situation where … even touching the breasts or vagina can’t be punished in the logic of that law, because if the perpetrator does it very quickly, you don’t have time to resist. It seems weird and crazy, but that’s German law.
The law focuses on the overwhelming force of the perpetrator, reportedly requiring there to be a "threat of imminent danger to life and limb" As such, for a court to rule a woman was raped, she must prove she physically resisted her attacker with bruises or other injuries on her body.

Laws certainly can be assinine on occasion.

 

[Casinomeister]

Hack writing. The authors just spoke to a few people and didn't bother to research what is legal and what is not in Germany.

Here are the German Federal laws - properly translated:

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The rape law may not be thorough enough, but the rest of the laws cover those bases. You can be arrested for insulting people in public - many civil crimes in other countries are criminal offenses here. Inciting hatred, insulting one's dignity, etc. It's all covered under federal law. What happened in Koeln was that the police were oblivious that there was a problem brewing and they were outnumbered. No laws in Germany protect people who insult or threaten others. That article is just pure garbage. It's poorly researched, and misleading in general.

 

[Casinomeister]

It's also a criminal offense to cause a nuclear explosion. Punishable from 1 - 10 years. Well, that's good to know.

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[rshkrn]

Sorry to correct you but: Most muslim migrants actually ARE fully integrated into the european society. At least in Germany.

"Muslim 'refugees' have also been barred from some public swimming pools for inappropriate behaviour to women and young girls." There was such a case, true. The

prohibition was lifted the next day or so.

It is impossible to integrate muslims into ANY society - mainly because for them religion and fanatism comes way before civilization and society

Sure there are exceptions where you may see the odd act of multi-cultural harmony being promoted by a family or group of people - but beware it's just that - an exception and nothing else. It can be nice to read in the newspaper and watch a documentary and clap your hands at a gathering - but it's never going to change the world!!!

as dunover and others mentioned - from the time a child is born he is doctrined and taught the same things over and over again until it becomes a way of life - things like their god not just allows, but encourages Muslims to deceive and even kill non-Muslims if it will further the goals of spreading Islam.

Anyways back to Germany - I am happy at the fact that some people are waking up to this threat, because if they don't act now - it's going to severely affect the future. I don't criticize and compare this wave of nationalist sentiments with what happened in history. And I really hope it can be used effectively for some urgently needed reforms to safeguard the german way of life like I know it.

 

[petro]

It's poorly researched, and misleading in general.

Maybe that is true for that particular article. It was the first thing that came up in a Google search.

I first heard about it from the Australian television news, which was broadcast nationally.
The news report had footage of German women protesting the sexual assault laws.

Maybe the protesters' argument is non-sense; I don't know. But, there certainly were women protesting against those laws.

There is also a link in the article and I quote from the link:
However, in light of national outrage at the Cologne attacks, the government has approved an amendment which no longer requires physical refusal. Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cabinet has signed off on the change, which will now go to the parliament for approval before being passed into law...
If, what those protesters were arguing was non-sense, it fooled Merkel.

 

[sledge13]

It is impossible to integrate muslims into ANY society - mainly because for them religion and fanatism comes way before civilization and society

Sure there are exceptions where you may see the odd act of multi-cultural harmony being promoted by a family or group of people - but beware it's just that - an exception and nothing else. It can be nice to read in the newspaper and watch a documentary and clap your hands at a gathering - but it's never going to change the world!!!

as dunover and others mentioned - from the time a child is born he is doctrined and taught the same things over and over again until it becomes a way of life - things like their god not just allows, but encourages Muslims to deceive and even kill non-Muslims if it will further the goals of spreading Islam.

Anyways back to Germany - I am happy at the fact that some people are waking up to this threat, because if they don't act now - it's going to severely affect the future. I don't criticize and compare this wave of nationalist sentiments with what happened in history. And I really hope it can be used effectively for some urgently needed reforms to safeguard the german way of life like I know it.

POST OF THE YEAR

 

[ternur]

POST OF THE YEAR

Far from it.

That was just an opinion of someone. Not even a very well rationalized one.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hack writing. The authors just spoke to a few people and didn't bother to research what is legal and what is not in Germany.

Here are the German Federal laws - properly translated:

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The rape law may not be thorough enough, but the rest of the laws cover those bases. You can be arrested for insulting people in public - many civil crimes in other countries are criminal offenses here. Inciting hatred, insulting one's dignity, etc. It's all covered under federal law. What happened in Koeln was that the police were oblivious that there was a problem brewing and they were outnumbered. No laws in Germany protect people who insult or threaten others. That article is just pure garbage. It's poorly researched, and misleading in general.

Maybe these women should claim they were insulted by the brief sexual encounters, then the perpetrators could be arrested for "insulting the victim in public", which would be better than nothing at all due to lack of evidence of sexual assault.

An impression of the laxity of German law may have been the result of poor policing on the day, coupled with a range of excuses being used to cover up the fact that the police got it so completely wrong that they were unprepared to police the new year's eve event.

 

[sledge13]

Far from it.

That was just an opinion of someone. Not even a very well rationalized one.

It's an opinion with fact, you only have to look at many areas round the world...

 

[ternur]

It's an opinion with fact, you only have to look at many areas round the world...

No hard facts presented in that post. Now that's a fact.

These political rant threads shed a light on how different people view different events based on their own beliefs. But that's really what they are. Adding superlatives or giving some examples of some things really doesn't make an opion into a fact. It's just trying to reason one's biases. Which are mostly based on emotions or feelings rather than rational thinking.

 

[Adriana B]

I wanted to visit Europe this summer but unfortunately given the circumstances I think I will perhaps pass. It is so very unfortunate. Everyone is suffering by this -- the innocent muslins -- the Europeans that used to enjoy a wonderful lifestyle -- and tourism (which affects all of you). I feel so very sad for a country that was once so jovial and fun loving. These radicals have sucked the life out of all of you.

God Bless and good luck. I hope you are successful in rooting the evil bastards (and please let's keep in mind they are not all evil). Let us hope that ALL countries unite to help fight this malignant and devious cause that they deem as a religion.

 

[rshkrn]

Far from it.

That was just an opinion of someone. Not even a very well rationalized one.

No hard facts presented in that post. Now that's a fact.

These political rant threads shed a light on how different people view different events based on their own beliefs. But that's really what they are. Adding superlatives or giving some examples of some things really doesn't make an opion into a fact. It's just trying to reason one's biases. Which are mostly based on emotions or feelings rather than rational thinking.

what facts do you need mate? something on the lines of...

They're not happy and full of trouble in Gaza, Egypt , Libya , Morocco , Iran , Iraq , Yemen , Afghanistan , Pakistan , Syria , Lebanon ..

So let's find out where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia, Canada , England , France , Italy , Germany , Sweden , USA , Norway , Holland , Denmark ...

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is!

And who do they blame for that?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

They blame the countries they are happy in !

AND then - Here it comes.............. -
They want to change those countries to be like....
The country they came from where they were unhappy in the first place!!!


Anyways I never usually get into such posts, but was horrified reading about what happened on Silvester - and couldn't resist posting my 2 cents... you got to be grateful and learn to respect the country that's taken you in from what would have otherwise been a hell life in your homeland - And just a handful such idiots manages to cast a negative shadow on the entire Ausländer community - right?

 

[McMaNGOS]

I wanted to visit Europe this summer but unfortunately given the circumstances I think I will perhaps pass. It is so very unfortunate. Everyone is suffering by this -- the innocent muslins -- the Europeans that used to enjoy a wonderful lifestyle -- and tourism (which affects all of you). I feel so very sad for a country that was once so jovial and fun loving. These radicals have sucked the life out of all of you.

God Bless and good luck. I hope you are successful in rooting the evil bastards (and please let's keep in mind they are not all evil). Let us hope that ALL countries unite to help fight this malignant and devious cause that they deem as a religion.

The notion that Europe is in any way less safe than most other parts of the world is bullshit. You do not live in any European country - your only insight into what life is like here is based on these recent events. There are certainly bad neighborhoods, just like there are in quite literally every country on Earth. It's not exclusive to countries that accept refugees. There's a bigger chance that your plane will crash on the way here than you being involved in any kind of terrorist attack or similar event.

I've personally lived in/frequently visited areas in Sweden that certain websites like to refer to as "no-go" zones. I find the whole notion laughable.