"Free Spins" banned in UK?

[spoton]

And that is exactly what I mean..... people not taking responsibility for their actions.

I took up smoking. I know damn well that if I get lung cancer there is only one person to blame - me.

I gamble. If it goes out of control and I lose it all, there is only one person to blame - me.

That is the way I was brought up. Maybe I am just getting too old.

Fair enough that you blame yourself, but that doesn't help pay healthcare bills or debt that problem gamblers leave behind.

 

[Jono777]

And that is exactly what I mean..... people not taking responsibility for their actions.

I took up smoking. I know damn well that if I get lung cancer there is only one person to blame - me.

I gamble. If it goes out of control and I lose it all, there is only one person to blame - me.

That is the way I was brought up. Maybe I am just getting too old.

Nope, Spot on!

This is the way it should be. Way too many people out there (unfortunately I personally know too many of them) that don't take enough responsibility and then moan about it and expect others to come to the rescue / clear up their mess.

Can be over small things to the drastic examples you provide, either way it winds me right up.

Sat here now and then thinking "Maybe its me who has got it wrong?" then reality kicks in sharpish and I'm back to frustrationville

 

[KasinoKing]

Extra spins, yes it is true. It's a far better word as they're technically not free IF you need to deposit to claim them, or if you need to deposit to cash winnings out.

Hang on a minute - what about supermarkets and other UK bushiness then - so they also can't say "Buy one, get one free"?
Now it has to be "Buy one, get one extra"... how many average people in the street will have a clue what that means!
"Political correctness" gone mad... again!

KK

 

[Harry_BKK]

That is fine if it is a relative short text such as the one you demonstrated.

But what about Videoslots as an example. How do you start to explain their rather complicated wagering requirement fully? That will be a large block of text if you were to copy and paste their bonus rules section.

Not on the laptop right now, will post tomorrow what i got on VS.

 

[interlog]

Fair enough that you blame yourself, but that doesn't help pay healthcare bills or debt that problem gamblers leave behind.

What about my neighbour then who the other week broke his leg playing football? He needed hospital treatment and can't work for 6 weeks now.

Regulate that too?

Besides, how is exchanging "extra spins" for "free spins" going to do the trick?

 

[dunover]

Hang on a minute - what about supermarkets and other UK bushiness then - so they also can't say "Buy one, get one free"?
Now it has to be "Buy one, get one extra"... how many average people in the street will have a clue what that means!
"Political correctness" gone mad... again!

KK

Semantics - or not! The case you mention isn't a good analogy as the first word is 'Buy' thus making it clear that a purchase is necessary to get the free (or extra!) item.

If you look at casino ads, they state 'sign-up bonus' when in fact it is a FIRST DEPOSIT BONUS thus 'sign up' doesn't carry any reference to buy or purchase.

So now I state '100% TO 100 First Deposit Bonus plus 100 extra spins!' as that seems to cover all bases for the pedants and nit-pickers and the secret ad/terms Police.

 

[interlog]

Semantics - or not! The case you mention isn't a good analogy as the first word is 'Buy' thus making it clear that a purchase is necessary to get the free (or extra!) item.

If you look at casino ads, they state 'sign-up bonus' when in fact it is a FIRST DEPOSIT BONUS thus 'sign up' doesn't carry any reference to buy or purchase.

So now I state '100% TO 100 First Deposit Bonus plus 100 extra spins!' as that seems to cover all bases for the pedants and nit-pickers and the secret ad/terms Police.

But if you were to be pedantic you could say that plus 100 extra spins could be interpreted as 100 spins in addition to other spins?

Would plus100 spins not be better?

 

[The Blue Anchor]

UKGC tightening rules can only be a good thing. Far too many examples of both rogue operators and rogue affiliates.

In the past when I've reported things like spam SMS from affiliates to UKGC regulated Casinos, they've ignored it - now they are taking it seriously, so UKGC must be doing something right.

Personally, I think there should be some sort of licensing system for affiliates and UK regulated casinos should only be allowed to deal with those licensed. Far too many cowboys out there ruining the pitch for the good ones - and I appreciate those in here are mainly in the latter category!

 

[goatwack]

Extra spins eh. Can't wait for them to add supplemental spins, additional spins and secondary spins into the mix.

2019 perhaps?

 

[spoton]

What about my neighbour then who the other week broke his leg playing football? He needed hospital treatment and can't work for 6 weeks now.

Regulate that too?

Besides, how is exchanging "extra spins" for "free spins" going to do the trick?

Fotball and sports in general is one of the best cures for obesity, which is an illness the western world has alot of troubles with.

Changing free spins to extra spins won't do much of a change, but it's nice to see that we finnaly have a regulator that won't let the greedy cowboys in Malta get off with lying/making their own definition of words.

 

[brianmon]

But if you were to be pedantic you could say that plus 100 extra spins could be interpreted as 100 spins in addition to other spins?

Would plus100 spins not be better?

Or... 100 extra spins in addition to the spins you're going to make from your deposit

 

[interlog]

Or... 100 extra spins in addition to the spins you're going to make from your deposit

Unless you play live casino with your deposit

 

[Jono777]

Extra spins eh. Can't wait for them to add supplemental spins, additional spins and secondary spins into the mix.

2019 perhaps?

lol,

A sign up bonus is now to be referred to as "First point of contact, initial registration, casino generosity gift"

The first deposit bonus, "Receipt of initial real funds, special privilege player allowance"



In all seriousness it IS good to see regulators are upping their game BUT I pretty much guarantee there will be plenty of "Are they being serious or what!!" situations alongside!

 

[interlog]

Fotball and sports in general is one of the best cures for obesity, which is an illness the western world has alot of troubles with.

Changing free spins to extra spins won't do much of a change, but it's nice to see that we finnaly have a regulator that won't let the greedy cowboys in Malta get off with lying/making their own definition of words.

So why are you promoting them? A little hypicritical if you ask me.

 

[colinsunderland]

Semantics - or not! The case you mention isn't a good analogy as the first word is 'Buy' thus making it clear that a purchase is necessary to get the free (or extra!) item.

If you look at casino ads, they state 'sign-up bonus' when in fact it is a FIRST DEPOSIT BONUS thus 'sign up' doesn't carry any reference to buy or purchase.

So now I state '100% TO 100 First Deposit Bonus plus 100 extra spins!' as that seems to cover all bases for the pedants and nit-pickers and the secret ad/terms Police.

You seem to have a problem with adverts being compliant? Would you prefer the free for all that was prevalent not too long ago whereby affiliates/media buyers were putting up articles about cancer and that sort of shit?

 

[spoton]

So why are you promoting them? A little hypicritical if you ask me.

When I promoted I tried staying clear of the cowboys... Anyways I'm sorry if I hit nerve with you there.

 

[goatwack]

lol,

A sign up bonus is now to be referred to as "First point of contact, initial registration, casino generosity gift"

The first deposit bonus, "Receipt of initial real funds, special privilege player allowance"



In all seriousness it IS good to see regulators are upping their game BUT I pretty much guarantee there will be plenty of "Are they being serious or what!!" situations alongside!

These extra spins are always welcome. They help me overcome my bad session from the introductory monetary play longevity enhancer I just wasted.

But with the 45x placed target betting total to get through I never really stood a chance to begin with. Maybe if I ask CS they may give me a cumulative cash return, or maybe I'll redeem one of my prize badges and get some free errr 'extra' spins that way.

If my luck continues to be this bad on these slit entertainment gizmos I tell you one thing: I'll be changing online gambling dens, mark my words

 

[interlog]

When I promoted I tried staying clear of the cowboys... Anyways I'm sorry if I hit nerve with you there.

But those that you promote are not cowboys yet they now cant use the word free spins.

You're missing the point that I am making and that is that current regulations already take care of the cowboys. Silly rules as the naming of these spins borders over regulation.

 

[dunover]

You seem to have a problem with adverts being compliant? Would you prefer the free for all that was prevalent not too long ago whereby affiliates/media buyers were putting up articles about cancer and that sort of shit?

Er...who was the one of the fiercest critics of this in that thread?

Er...who wanted CM to take action against CR?

Er..who's just spent all weekend ensuring his banners have the compliance underneath, in fact an overkill of compliance on the pages?

Er..who's just made a video advising promoters to UK market to do the same, and on videos/links?

Your posts do sometimes come across as a bit over-zealous, especially when you consider that the affiliates here will invariably follow the CM philosophy and do things by the book anyway. The affiliate programmes are in the process contacting us to advise how things should be done going forward.

 

[colinsunderland]

Er...who was the one of the fiercest critics of this in that thread?

Er...who wanted CM to take action against CR?

Er..who's just spent all weekend ensuring his banners have the compliance underneath, in fact an overkill of compliance on the pages?

Er..who's just made a video advising promoters to UK market to do the same, and on videos/links?

Your posts do sometimes come across as a bit over-zealous, especially when you consider that the affiliates here will invariably follow the CM philosophy and do things by the book anyway. The affiliate programmes are in the process contacting us to advise how things should be done going forward.

I just didn't understand these types of comments

the pedants and nit-pickers and the secret ad/terms Police

If you agree the industry needs cleaning up and people should be compliant then why make comments like that? Casumo are obviously checking all traffic sources and I'm pretty sure the accounts that have been closed have been picked up by them, not by anyone else, but even if it was, so what? People are either compliant or they aren't. If they aren't then they risk account closures.

The rules have been in place for over 2 years, not sure why people think this is a new thing, it isn't.

Regarding my over zealous posts, which ones do you mean? The only ones I have reported have been either well short of the required standard or have spammed me on numerous occasions. For example, one casino is currently investigating a spammer who I have had over 250 emails from in around 4 months, I don't see anything wrong with reporting them and will keep doing so. If thats over zealous then so be it.

FWIW I think this is stupid, free spins/extra spins, its not really going to make a difference is it. I think they should concentrate more on things like casinos allowing SE'd players to sign up and play at others in the group, only closing the accounts when they withdraw and stuff like that, rather than force changes on things that really don't do anything - such as the autoplay situation

 

[spoton]

But those that you promote are not cowboys yet they now cant use the word free spins.

You're missing the point that I am making and that is that current regulations already take care of the cowboys. Silly rules as the naming of these spins borders over regulation.

Silly rules as banning the casinos from lying in their adverts? Would you also be ok with it if a casino decided they would define 20 quid as 2000 quid, and charge you 2000 when you came to deposit 20? Or define permanent exclusion as 5 days or something?

I agree it is overregulation as it shouldn't be needed to state that you shouldn't lie to your customers, but I guess it's not common practise in cowbow-land allthough there are a few good exceptions.

 

[dunover]

Here's my take on things:

 

[interlog]

Silly rules as banning the casinos from lying in their adverts? Would you also be ok with it if a casino decided they would define 20 quid as 2000 quid, and charge you 2000 when you came to deposit 20? Or define permanent exclusion as 5 days or something?

I agree it is overregulation as it shouldn't be needed to state that you shouldn't lie to your customers, but I guess it's not common practise in cowbow-land allthough there are a few good exceptions.

I agree that lying should not be allowed.

You promote Guts and I wouldnt call them cowboys. Casinos such as those dont need extra regulations and more red tape.

And neither do the honest affiliates, but see what is happening now. More extra work and more things to trip over.

 

[Harry_BKK]

That is fine if it is a relative short text such as the one you demonstrated.

But what about Videoslots as an example. How do you start to explain their rather complicated wagering requirement fully? That will be a large block of text if you were to copy and paste their bonus rules section.

Here's my VS text. Certainly not perfect, but I am just not sure as too how much "nanny state" we need and wand to have. And especially, at what point will the UKGC say, that's good enough. I think they are just starting and it will come to a lot more hassle for all involved, casinos, players and affiliates.

11 Free Spins on registration – credited on Starburst after the account has been activated
100% Deposit Bonus + €10 Free Cash – valid for the first deposit, up to €200.

Winnings from the spins need to be wagered 40x with a maximum withdrawal capped at €10. Wagering requirement for the Welcome Bonus is 20x Deposit with the bonus paid out in 10% increments as the wagering progresses, subject to the standard bonus terms and conditions. Players can make multiple deposits to complete the wagering. All Jackpot games are excluded while a bonus is active, a warning message will pop-up if a restricted game is loaded. The € 10 Free Cash will be automatically added to the real money balance regardless of the deposited amount.

Reload Bonuses at Videoslots come with the same wagering requirement and payout procedure. All other rewards or Free Spins are wager free.

 

[dunover]

Here's my VS text. Certainly not perfect, but I am just not sure as too how much "nanny state" we need and wand to have. And especially, at what point will the UKGC say, that's good enough. I think they are just starting and it will come to a lot more hassle for all involved, casinos, players and affiliates.

Good, I'll plagiarize that when necessary.....