Crush Videos?

[felicie]

Maybe we should vote yes on 'snuff films' so humans will leave poor defenseless animals alone!

April 26, 2010

Revised crush video bill introduced quickly

When U.S. Supreme Court decided Tuesday to overturn my animal crush video law in the Stevens vs. the United States case, I was obviously disappointed. While I respect the Court's decision, I do not believe justice is served when human beings are allowed to violently abuse animals.

That is why I introduced a narrowly drafted, bipartisan bill -- with 55 original cosponsors -- the very next day to reinstitute the ban on animal crush videos.

Before my first law was enacted in 1999, crush video tapes sold for up to $300. More than 2,000 titles were available. They featured kittens, hamsters, birds and even monkeys that were taped to the floor or a glass table while women, sometimes in spiked heels, sometimes barefooted, slowly tortured and crushed the animal to death. My law stopped the trade for more than 10 years.

Congress must not allow it to resume. Violence is not a First Amendment issue; it is a law enforcement issue. Ted Bundy and Ted Kaczynski tortured or killed animals before killing people. The FBI, U.S. Department of Education and the U.S. Department of Justice consider animal cruelty to be one of the early warning signs of potential violence by youths. This law is one step toward ending this cycle of violence.

In their ruling, the justices left the door ajar for a narrowly crafted bill that will meet their First Amendment concerns. I believe my new bill will meet that test and am actively working with my congressional colleagues to move it through Congress and into law.

 

[Jasminebed]

I did not know such things existed! It is a sick world we live in.

I applaud your fight. I'm not a US citizen, so I can't add my political support.

I'm not a big fan of censorship, but I'm even less of a fan of crimes being filmed and profited from.

Just like the purveyors of child pornography, these people should be prosecuted, as should be their customers.

 

[jelsmith]

Maybe we should vote yes on 'snuff films' so humans will leave poor defenseless animals alone!

April 26, 2010

Revised crush video bill introduced quickly

When U.S. Supreme Court decided Tuesday to overturn my animal crush video law in the Stevens vs. the United States case, I was obviously disappointed. While I respect the Court's decision, I do not believe justice is served when human beings are allowed to violently abuse animals.

That is why I introduced a narrowly drafted, bipartisan bill -- with 55 original cosponsors -- the very next day to reinstitute the ban on animal crush videos.

Before my first law was enacted in 1999, crush video tapes sold for up to $300. More than 2,000 titles were available. They featured kittens, hamsters, birds and even monkeys that were taped to the floor or a glass table while women, sometimes in spiked heels, sometimes barefooted, slowly tortured and crushed the animal to death. My law stopped the trade for more than 10 years.

Congress must not allow it to resume. Violence is not a First Amendment issue; it is a law enforcement issue. Ted Bundy and Ted Kaczynski tortured or killed animals before killing people. The FBI, U.S. Department of Education and the U.S. Department of Justice consider animal cruelty to be one of the early warning signs of potential violence by youths. This law is one step toward ending this cycle of violence.

In their ruling, the justices left the door ajar for a narrowly crafted bill that will meet their First Amendment concerns. I believe my new bill will meet that test and am actively working with my congressional colleagues to move it through Congress and into law.

OMFG!!!!!! I am so disgusted right now. How is this not NOT illegal. ITS ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!!!!!! I am a proud member of PETA and a Vegan so this to me is just.....I dont even have the words

 

[vinylweatherman]

It's illegal here in the UK. Recently, the laws were strengthened so that the RSPCA no longer have to wait for the animal to suffer a great deal before they could act. With police accompanying them, RSPCA can force access to any premises where they believe animal welfare laws are not being adhered to.

These videos would also be illegal, because they would not have been "passed" by the board that allocates the gradings related to suitability of viewing. Here, they were called "video nasties", whether the violence was real, or acted.

The videos themselves, if found, would be used as evidence, and to track down the offenders, and the premises where the cruelty took place.

The women mentioned in the initial "rant" would be facing prison for their part in the making of such videos, along with a life ban on keeping animals.

 

[bernynhel]

I mean to break this gently but, surly, some of you, at least, are aware of the fact that some people actually kill and eat various kinds of animals in the U.S. - in all 50 states - and that this is legal and there are even dead animal flesh sections in grocery stores, right?

 

[jelsmith]

I mean to break this gently but, surly, some of you, at least, are aware of the fact that some people actually kill and eat various kinds of animals in the U.S. - in all 50 states - and that this is legal and there are even dead animal flesh sections in grocery stores, right?

Not this girl....Im VEGAN and I find the consumption on any animal product repulsive. I also prefer animals to people....If given a choice to save a person or say a kitten....im going for the kitten every time

 

[jod5413]

I mean to break this gently but, surly, some of you, at least, are aware of the fact that some people actually kill and eat various kinds of animals in the U.S. - in all 50 states - and that this is legal and there are even dead animal flesh sections in grocery stores, right?

I hardly think that taping videos of a woman in high, spike heels pounding on said kitten with the spikes until it is crushed, is the same thing, Bernynhel.

Yes there are slaughter houses that do not treat "meat animals" morally, but they at least try to kill quickly, even if it is just to keep the line moving.

 

[Jasminebed]

I hardly think that taping videos of a woman in high, spike heels pounding on said kitten with the spikes until it is crushed, is the same thing, Bernynhel.

Yes there are slaughter houses that do not treat "meat animals" morally, but they at least try to kill quickly, even if it is just to keep the line moving.

Thanks jod, you said what I was thinking. I do not wish to see the OPs efforts to get such legislation passed derailed with the morality of killing animals for food.

Slaughtering animals for food or hunting are legal activities. If slaughterhouses fail to adhere to legislated standards, they face fines, and can be subject to other penalties. Those who feel their moral standards should be the legislation of the country are free to petition or lobby for reforms of the legislation.

Felicie, can you tell us if the acts of crushing an animal to death for the heck of it would carry the possibility of a jail term in the US? Until quite recently (last decade or so) here in Canada such an act would not result in any time to be served, merely fines and prohibitions against owning animals. Violation of the prohibitions could result in jail for contempt of court, but was rarely used except in the most heinous of cases for multiple repeat offenders.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The killing of animals for food is NOT normally done for PLEASURE, and there is no PLEASURE gained by inflicting unnecessary cruelty to the animal during slaughter. Of course, the animal DOES suffer death, and most likely a degree of stress & pain, but this is kept to what is necessary to produce the meat.

These videos are purely for entertainment, and the aim is to cause maximum suffering to the animal, which is NOT then eaten, but merely thrown away and replaced with another.

The bigger problem is that when somebody watches these kinds of videos, they become desensitised over time, and start looking for something more extreme in order to achieve the same "thrill" as before. In some cases, they go on to torture and kill CHILDREN, as has been revealed in a high profile case here in the UK recently.

Even those who WATCH such videos need intervention, such as treatment, assessment, and at least consideration of whether they have become a danger to the public if they are simply allowed to carry on seeking their pleasure elsewhere.

 

[bernynhel]

FIRST OF ALL: I'm not quoting nor am I referring to ANYBODY posting to this thread and any resemblance to living persons live or dead...etc I'm just sayin':

Untold multiples of lil baby hamsters, chicks and baby bunnies, mice, kittys, puppies, mobwais, whatever - untold millions - millions of times the numbers tortured in crush films - of cute lil baby things are tortured and die miserable, slow deaths - and not crush film slow like a few minutes, we're talking days, weeks, months, of misery leading to certain death slow that any real Nazi would envy - and all at the hands of the world's most prolific thirill kill cult: The children of western civilization who's dumbass parents wanna amend the constitution because a few thousand nutbags, world wide, cant get their nut unless they see some hottie squishing fluffy with her fk me pumps on.

So why do the parents do it? To keep their kids entertained or to give them company? To teach them the responsibility of pet ownership - don't make me laugh! They do it, every year, this year will be fifth year in a row for the Cramers of Middletown, CT, so Jr will shut the f up about the cute lil bunny he wants every fkn year at Easter and burries by summer vacation.

But these yuppie scum, (yeah, I said it - and probably getting their nut just fine n regular as they please!) being the POS hypocrites that they are, they don't even realize that collectively, numbers-wise, as far as needless suffering lil fuzzies go, they make the entire crush industry look like St Francis of Isisi by comparison. With their disposable PetSmart purchases and handy back yard graveyards (til they get bored with that and just start flushing), and their POS PETA bumperstickers all the while Jr is practicing for a career as a serial psycho killer with an endless supply of love-me-beat-me-kill-me-flush-me pets at about $9.95/ea.

But poor Achnaahde, who would happily pay $3k for one of the few hundred crush titles produced yearly has to close his eyes and try to remember, try, try to remember, remember what that sexy blonde looked like (camera below the model above, seen through the Plexiglas floor that the model is standing on, above - the squirming, crying infant rodent taped down to the Plexiglas floor between the camera, no between Achnaadhe and, and her, with 2 strips of 3M 1" premium masking tape in a neat "X" pattern (the baby rodent, not her). The line of vision from the camera through the tiny rodent as it strains to turn against the tape to try, to look up, yes up, up at its executioner, along the curves of that stockinged leg - ah is that Sheer-Noir-yes! yes! my favorite! look up! plead lil fuzzy!!! look up and plead with your unseeing lil closed 4 day old ferret eyes! Plead for your life, yes for you life! If you have no concept of life yet then at least plead for less tape...yes plead up...up into the warm, glistening nothingness beyond the top of those hose past the patent leather f me pump, which all this time, had been poised to fall, resting on the 6" stiletto heel like a teeter totter hesitates at one maximum height until gravity-ahhh-yess she's lowering her shoe, slowly, slowly its darker, "squeak! Squeek!" a little burst of blood and flesh and fur escaping the sole of her shoe, spreading quickly for a half a second, now drasticaly slowing, like someone who had started to run but changed their mind and walked, instead, the expanding blood pool just oozing, like its slowly inhaling a huge breath of air, now different sounds, grinding, grinding uh, oh, yeah, uh, grind...to the grinding out the 4 day old ferret. Thank you lil feller!

All these hypocrite scum who would deny Achnaadhe this simple,twisted, sexual release just so they can feel better about themselves because they've decided that junior's killing field in the back yard is morally superior because Jr's thrill kills aren't sexual. OH IS THAT RIGHT?!!?!? WANNA BET? - 875 million baby mammals, birds, reptiles and fish pets under $14.85 are sold through pet super stores in the US alone, annually - where do you they've been going, Mom n Dad? They all make me wanna PUKE!!!!

 

[jelsmith]

FIRST OF ALL: I'm not quoting nor am I referring to ANYBODY posting to this thread and any resemblance to living persons live or dead...etc I'm just sayin':

Untold multiples of lil baby hamsters, chicks and baby bunnies, mice, kittys, puppies, mobwais, whatever - untold millions of cute lil baby things are tortured and die miserable, slow deaths, at the hands of western civilization's children who's dumbass parents wanna amend the constitution because a few thousand nutbags, world wide, cant get their nut unless they see some hottie squishing fluffy with her fk me pumps on.

But these yuppie scum, (yeah, I said it) being the POS hypocrites that they are, they don't even realize that collectively, numbers-wise, as far as needless suffering lil fuzzies go, they make the entire crush industry look like St Francis of Isisi by comparison. With their disposable PetSmart purchases and handy back yard graveyards (til they get bored with that and just start flushing), their PETA bumperstickers all the while Jr is practicing for a career as a serial psycho killer with an endless supply of love-me-beat-me-kill-me-flush-me pets at about $9.95/ea. But Achnaahde, who would happily pay $3k for one of the few hundred crush titles produced yearly has to close his eyes and , remember what a sexy blonde looked like (camera below the model above on seen through a Plexiglas floor - the squirming, crying infant rodent taped down to the Plexiglas with 2 strips of 3M 1" premium masking tape in a neat "X" pattern. The line of vision from the camera through the tiny rodent as it strains to turn against the tape to try to look up, yes up, up at its executioner, along the curves of that stockinged leg - ah is that sheer noir-yes! my favorite! look up! plead lil fuzzy!!! look up and plead with your unseeing lil closed 4 day old ferret eyes! for you life or at least less tape...up into the warm, glistening nothingness beyond the top of those hose past the patent leather f me pump, which all this time, had been poised to fall, resting on the 6" stiletto heel like a teeter totter hesitates at one maximum height until gravity-ahhh-yess she's lowering her shoe, slowly, slowly its darker, "squeak! Squeek!" a little burst of blood and flesh and fur escaping the sole of her shoe, now grinding, grinding uh, oh, yeah, uh, grind...to the grinding out the 4 day old ferret. Thank you lil feller!

All these hypocrite scum who would deny Achnaadhe this simple,twisted, sexual release just so they can feel better about themselves because they've decided that junior's killing field in the back yard is morally superior - 875 million mammal pets under $14.85 are sold through pet super stores in the US alone, annually - where do you they've been going, Mom n Dad? - because Jr's thrill kills aren't sexual. OH IS THAT RIGHT?!!?!? WANNA BET? They all make me wanna PUKE!!!!

Good parents teach their children better. I was never given a companimal until I was a responsible enough age to care for it properly.

 

[bernynhel]

Good parents teach their children better. I was never given a companimal until I was a responsible enough age to care for it properly.

YES, good parents, yay! Happy for you! However, "good parents", petwise, are probably 1/1000. But lets look at it from Squishy-Fuzzy's POV. Get crushed under a foot, death occurring a minute or two... or three..? OK! - f it - lets say half an hour. Under sexy Natasha's fk me pump while dozen's of happy fans, who have made Squishy-Fuzzy a star, be it posthumously, handle their business all over Squish's image on their iPhones or laptops or whatever.

OR

Send Squishy-Fuzzy home with the Smiths of Providence, RI, who's 4 year old daughter Suzzi, saw Squish in a mall pet store and was screaming so loudly as they began to exit the mall to the parking structure, that at least 500 people stopped dead in their tracks and stared. So, naturally, mummy and duddy Smith just did a 180 with little Suzzi, back to the pet store. Back at The PetFactory, the Smith's spent a total of 46.72 cents for Squishy Fuzzy, squishy feed, a Plexiglas squishy habitat, a squishy habitat dangling water bottle and squishy litter. Once home, Suzzi never, not once, touched Squishy. A few times, in the 3 months Squishy had the nerve to take to die, and only after her parents screamed at her and threatened with what Suzzi, at 4 years old, knew to be totally empty threats, for 4 or 5 days, Suzzi might put some water in the empty squishy Plexiglas habitat dangling water bottle or feed Squishy a few kernels of squishy feed. If the starvation wasn't bad enough (they say that starvation is the meanest way to die, hands down), the Plexiglas Squishy habitat sat in front of the window on a little stand that once held little 2 year old Suzzi's Turtle habitat, until her mother found little Tommy turtle after an indeterminable number of days, thumbtacked to the window sill - a thumbtack through each of little Tommy's four feet into the soft wood of the sill of the upstairs, east facing double hung window of Suzzi's My-Little-Pony-Themed room and dried to the consistency of a saltine cracker, because little Suzzi wanted Tommy to live forever like Jesus, then 3 year old Suzzi's aquarium holding a school or 30 happy neon tetras - you don't wanna know - the squishy Plexiglas habitat was like living in a house with walls made out of magnifying glass - I'm tired so just think about it. And being only 16" x 12" X 14", imagine the state of Squishy's living conditions since little Suzi never once, cleaned the habitat. In three months. At the time of Squishy's death, he had been living in a spongy, marshy, matted, swamp consisting of his own feces urine, and the original wood chip bedding that all rose together to within 2 inches of the top of the habitat.

Choose Squishy's death.

 

[jelsmith]

YES, good parents, yay! Happy for you! However, "good parents", petwise, are probably 1/1000. But lets look at it from Squishy-Fuzzy's POV. Get crushed under a foot, death occurring a minute or two... or three..? OK! - f it - lets say half an hour. Under sexy Natasha's fk me pump while dozen's of happy fans, who have made Squishy-Fuzzy a star, be it posthumously, handle their business all over Squish's image on their iPhones or laptops or whatever.

OR

Send Squishy-Fuzzy home with the Smiths of Providence, RI, who's 4 year old daughter Suzzi, saw Squish in a mall pet store and was screaming so loudly as they began to exit the mall to the parking structure, that at least 500 people stopped dead in their tracks and stared. So, naturally, mummy and duddy Smith just did a 180 with little Suzzi, back to the pet store. Back at The PetFactory, the Smith's spent a total of 46.72 cents for Squishy Fuzzy, squishy feed, a Plexiglas squishy habitat, a squishy habitat dangling water bottle and squishy litter. Once home, Suzzi never, not once, touched Squishy. A few times, in the 3 months Squishy had the nerve to take to die, and only after her parents screamed at her and threatened with what Suzzi, at 4 years old, knew to be totally empty threats, for 4 or 5 days, Suzzi might put some water in the empty squishy Plexiglas habitat dangling water bottle or feed Squishy a few kernels of squishy feed. If the starvation wasn't bad enough (they say that starvation is the meanest way to die, hands down), the Plexiglas Squishy habitat sat in front of the window on a little stand that once held little 2 year old Suzzi's Turtle habitat, until her mother found little Tommy turtle after an indeterminable number of days, thumbtacked to the window sill - a thumbtack through each of little Tommy's four feet into the soft wood of the sill of the upstairs, east facing double hung window of Suzzi's My-Little-Pony-Themed room and dried to the consistency of a saltine cracker, because little Suzzi wanted Tommy to live forever like Jesus, then 3 year old Suzzi's aquarium holding a school or 30 happy neon tetras - you don't wanna know - the squishy Plexiglas habitat was like living in a house with walls made out of magnifying glass - I'm tired so just think about it. And being only 16" x 12" X 14", imagine the state of Squishy's living conditions since little Suzi never once, cleaned the habitat. In three months. At the time of Squishy's death, he had been living in a spongy, marshy, matted, swamp consisting of his own feces urine, and the original wood chip bedding that all rose together to within 2 inches of the top of the habitat.

Choose Squishy's death.

I have been holding back....lol...Ill tell you what I really think and its not gonna be popular


There is no reason any homo sapien on this planet needs meat, leather shoes, cheese etc. Therefore all slaughterhouses, dairy farms and other animal product industry should be shut down Companimals should only be allowed to be adopted by people who can pass the following: a background check, mental health exam and an examination of whether the person adopting can provide for them. Animal abusers, hunters, slaughterhouse workers, tanners, butchers etc etc.....DEATH PENALTY....no trial straight to the same fate that they have condemned animals to.


I wish it were this way but its not....but if I ran things this is how it would be! I have stood on enough picket lines and thrown enough fake blood at KFC's to know Im right

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have been holding back....lol...Ill tell you what I really think and its not gonna be popular


There is no reason any homo sapien on this planet needs meat, leather shoes, cheese etc. Therefore all slaughterhouses, dairy farms and other animal product industry should be shut down Companimals should only be allowed to be adopted by people who can pass the following: a background check, mental health exam and an examination of whether the person adopting can provide for them. Animal abusers, hunters, slaughterhouse workers, tanners, butchers etc etc.....DEATH PENALTY....no trial straight to the same fate that they have condemned animals to.


I wish it were this way but its not....but if I ran things this is how it would be! I have stood on enough picket lines and thrown enough fake blood at KFC's to know Im right

This ideal CAN be achieved, but at a cost that society is unwilling to pay. Animal protein is NOT the most efficient way to feed us, but people like their meat, and I cannot see much changing in the future, unless the animals became extinct.

The pet trade is a problem though. ANYONE can buy an animal, yet it is pretty hard to adopt a child, yet even adopted children suffer neglect and cruelty.

Companies make money from selling pet animals and accessories, and will not give this trade up without a fight. Neither will they cooperate with background checks that would probably reduce their trade to a fraction of the current level.

It seems easier to get pet animals in the US than here in the UK. Here, the RSPCA have been given legal powers to intervene where animal welfare is being neglected, and many pet traders have to be licensed. There ARE loopholes though, and they are being exploited.

 

[jelsmith]

This ideal CAN be achieved, but at a cost that society is unwilling to pay. Animal protein is NOT the most efficient way to feed us, but people like their meat, and I cannot see much changing in the future, unless the animals became extinct.

The pet trade is a problem though. ANYONE can buy an animal, yet it is pretty hard to adopt a child, yet even adopted children suffer neglect and cruelty.

Companies make money from selling pet animals and accessories, and will not give this trade up without a fight. Neither will they cooperate with background checks that would probably reduce their trade to a fraction of the current level.

It seems easier to get pet animals in the US than here in the UK. Here, the RSPCA have been given legal powers to intervene where animal welfare is being neglected, and many pet traders have to be licensed. There ARE loopholes though, and they are being exploited.

I need to be elected president stat...

In order to make these changes

 

[jod5413]

Felicie, can you tell us if the acts of crushing an animal to death for the heck of it would carry the possibility of a jail term in the US? Until quite recently (last decade or so) here in Canada such an act would not result in any time to be served, merely fines and prohibitions against owning animals. Violation of the prohibitions could result in jail for contempt of court, but was rarely used except in the most heinous of cases for multiple repeat offenders.

Who knows? Depends on where it happens, which state, which county, etc. We usually end up with a mixed bag of penalties in the US, which I think is BS.

The killing of animals for food is NOT normally done for PLEASURE, and there is no PLEASURE gained by inflicting unnecessary cruelty to the animal during slaughter. Of course, the animal DOES suffer death, and most likely a degree of stress & pain, but this is kept to what is necessary to produce the meat.

These videos are purely for entertainment, and the aim is to cause maximum suffering to the animal, which is NOT then eaten, but merely thrown away and replaced with another.

The bigger problem is that when somebody watches these kinds of videos, they become desensitised over time, and start looking for something more extreme in order to achieve the same "thrill" as before. In some cases, they go on to torture and kill CHILDREN, as has been revealed in a high profile case here in the UK recently.

Even those who WATCH such videos need intervention, such as treatment, assessment, and at least consideration of whether they have become a danger to the public if they are simply allowed to carry on seeking their pleasure elsewhere.

Good points, VWM. However I am jaded enough to wish death for anyone involved in torturing animals, AND, I fully support the death penalty for those that harm or kill children and adults, with NO exception.

Yeah, like that's ever gonna happen.

FIRST OF ALL: I'm not quoting nor am I referring to ANYBODY posting to this thread and any resemblance to living persons live or dead...etc I'm just sayin':

Untold multiples of lil baby hamsters, chicks and baby bunnies, mice, kittys, puppies, mobwais, whatever - untold millions - millions of times the numbers tortured in crush films - of cute lil baby things are tortured and die miserable, slow deaths - and not crush film slow like a few minutes, we're talking days, weeks, months, of misery leading to certain death slow that any real Nazi would envy - and all at the hands of the world's most prolific thirill kill cult: The children of western civilization who's dumbass parents wanna amend the constitution because a few thousand nutbags, world wide, cant get their nut unless they see some hottie squishing fluffy with her fk me pumps on.

So why do the parents do it? To keep their kids entertained or to give them company? To teach them the responsibility of pet ownership - don't make me laugh! They do it, every year, this year will be fifth year in a row for the Cramers of Middletown, CT, so Jr will shut the f up about the cute lil bunny he wants every fkn year at Easter and burries by summer vacation.

But these yuppie scum, (yeah, I said it - and probably getting their nut just fine n regular as they please!) being the POS hypocrites that they are, they don't even realize that collectively, numbers-wise, as far as needless suffering lil fuzzies go, they make the entire crush industry look like St Francis of Isisi by comparison. With their disposable PetSmart purchases and handy back yard graveyards (til they get bored with that and just start flushing), and their POS PETA bumperstickers all the while Jr is practicing for a career as a serial psycho killer with an endless supply of love-me-beat-me-kill-me-flush-me pets at about $9.95/ea.

But poor Achnaahde, who would happily pay $3k for one of the few hundred crush titles produced yearly has to close his eyes and try to remember, try, try to remember, remember what that sexy blonde looked like (camera below the model above, seen through the Plexiglas floor that the model is standing on, above - the squirming, crying infant rodent taped down to the Plexiglas floor between the camera, no between Achnaadhe and, and her, with 2 strips of 3M 1" premium masking tape in a neat "X" pattern (the baby rodent, not her). The line of vision from the camera through the tiny rodent as it strains to turn against the tape to try, to look up, yes up, up at its executioner, along the curves of that stockinged leg - ah is that Sheer-Noir-yes! yes! my favorite! look up! plead lil fuzzy!!! look up and plead with your unseeing lil closed 4 day old ferret eyes! Plead for your life, yes for you life! If you have no concept of life yet then at least plead for less tape...yes plead up...up into the warm, glistening nothingness beyond the top of those hose past the patent leather f me pump, which all this time, had been poised to fall, resting on the 6" stiletto heel like a teeter totter hesitates at one maximum height until gravity-ahhh-yess she's lowering her shoe, slowly, slowly its darker, "squeak! Squeek!" a little burst of blood and flesh and fur escaping the sole of her shoe, spreading quickly for a half a second, now drasticaly slowing, like someone who had started to run but changed their mind and walked, instead, the expanding blood pool just oozing, like its slowly inhaling a huge breath of air, now different sounds, grinding, grinding uh, oh, yeah, uh, grind...to the grinding out the 4 day old ferret. Thank you lil feller!

All these hypocrite scum who would deny Achnaadhe this simple,twisted, sexual release just so they can feel better about themselves because they've decided that junior's killing field in the back yard is morally superior because Jr's thrill kills aren't sexual. OH IS THAT RIGHT?!!?!? WANNA BET? - 875 million baby mammals, birds, reptiles and fish pets under $14.85 are sold through pet super stores in the US alone, annually - where do you they've been going, Mom n Dad? They all make me wanna PUKE!!!!

You are quite the writer Bernynhel, but reading your posts I can't help thinking, whoa, back the bus up! This guy is a bit over the top.

Just my opinion, though.

 

[bernynhel]

I have been holding back....lol...

You would like it, I bet, that, if in some 5th dimensional parallellogramical universe, where, let's say, humans were not allowed to eat any species with a face or a mommy, I got stuck, somehow, and resorted to outlaw cannibalism, and got caught, wouldn'tcha? And my punishment could be death by being eaten by some giant venus fly trap. One that chewed very slowly. Well, I'd prefer that to vegatarianism.

 

[jelsmith]

You would like it, I bet, that, if in some 5th dimensional parallellogramical universe, where, let's say, humans were not allowed to eat any species with a face or a mommy, I got stuck, somehow, and resorted to outlaw cannibalism, and got caught, wouldn'tcha? And my punishment could be death by being eaten by some giant venus fly trap. One that chewed very slowly. Well, I'd prefer that to vegatarianism.

What if someone decided to take your young at birth and make them into veal...in this string theory universe?

 

[bernynhel]

What if someone decided to take your young at birth and make them into veal...in this string theory universe?

What if you had to take your chances at being "placed" by random selection, where ever, via the pet retailers of America?

Given the choice, I'd say, "Duh! Take my young! My brain can't even wrap itself around the concept of steak tartar let alone veal are you kiddin? I'm a f'ing cow! Moo, mf'r!" See! I was even too stupid to know that being sold through a pet store wasn't even really an option!

 

[bernynhel]

...You are quite the writer Bernynhel, but reading your posts I can't help thinking, whoa, back the bus up! This guy is a bit over the top.

Just my opinion, though.

Those are simply the facts, ma'am. And I'd take the multiple-minute death by squishing at infancy over the crap shoot of being placed into who knows what kind of horrorshow by random selection via our country's pet retailers.

 

[jelsmith]

Those are simply the facts, ma'am. And I'd take the multiple-minute death by squishing at infancy over the crap shoot of being placed into who knows what kind of horrorshow by random selection via our country's pet retailers.

I have never purchased a companimal through any retailer. I always go to a kill shelter and adopt or they find me. I dont disagree with you Bern on the pet retailers its appalling....and not regulated well.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I have never purchased a companimal through any retailer. I always go to a kill shelter and adopt or they find me. I dont disagree with you Bern on the pet retailers its appalling....and not regulated well.

When I was a kid, 1970's, you could win a goldfish in a plastic bag at the fair. The stall had many goldfish in bags, hanging up. Mostly, these died when you got them home. This was later BANNED. I later found out this was probably due to the stress they had suffered on the stall, and not necessarily how they were looked after when they were brought home.

I also remember any kid could walk into a pet shop, and walk out with a hamster or gerbil, often in a cardboard box. You bought your furry friend, and THEN you learned how to look after it, sometimes by trial & error.
Now, I believe there are age limits, and you have to be a certain age to buy a pet, or be accompanied by an adult.

Exotic pets are another problem. These need specialist habitats, and CANNOT simply be placed in any kind of cage, and in the normal domestic environment, or they will probably suffer and die. I don't believe that there is any REQUIREMENT to vet a person before selling them many of these kinds of animals, it is more a case of pursuing them after they have got it wrong, and the animal has suffered.

Perhaps people should have to sit & pass a "caring for your .........." exam before they are allowed to take their "............" home.

 

[jelsmith]

When I was a kid, 1970's, you could win a goldfish in a plastic bag at the fair. The stall had many goldfish in bags, hanging up. Mostly, these died when you got them home. This was later BANNED. I later found out this was probably due to the stress they had suffered on the stall, and not necessarily how they were looked after when they were brought home.

I also remember any kid could walk into a pet shop, and walk out with a hamster or gerbil, often in a cardboard box. You bought your furry friend, and THEN you learned how to look after it, sometimes by trial & error.
Now, I believe there are age limits, and you have to be a certain age to buy a pet, or be accompanied by an adult.

Exotic pets are another problem. These need specialist habitats, and CANNOT simply be placed in any kind of cage, and in the normal domestic environment, or they will probably suffer and die. I don't believe that there is any REQUIREMENT to vet a person before selling them many of these kinds of animals, it is more a case of pursuing them after they have got it wrong, and the animal has suffered.

Perhaps people should have to sit & pass a "caring for your .........." exam before they are allowed to take their "............" home.

Agreed

 

[jod5413]

When I was a kid, 1970's, you could win a goldfish in a plastic bag at the fair. The stall had many goldfish in bags, hanging up. Mostly, these died when you got them home. This was later BANNED. I later found out this was probably due to the stress they had suffered on the stall, and not necessarily how they were looked after when they were brought home.

I also remember any kid could walk into a pet shop, and walk out with a hamster or gerbil, often in a cardboard box. You bought your furry friend, and THEN you learned how to look after it, sometimes by trial & error.
Now, I believe there are age limits, and you have to be a certain age to buy a pet, or be accompanied by an adult.

Exotic pets are another problem. These need specialist habitats, and CANNOT simply be placed in any kind of cage, and in the normal domestic environment, or they will probably suffer and die. I don't believe that there is any REQUIREMENT to vet a person before selling them many of these kinds of animals, it is more a case of pursuing them after they have got it wrong, and the animal has suffered.

Perhaps people should have to sit & pass a "caring for your .........." exam before they are allowed to take their "............" home.

Yeah, that's on the list of things to do, right after they pass the law stating you have to pass an exam before you get pregnant, so they can cut down on and/or eliminate child abuse cases!

 

[bernynhel]

Yeah, that's on the list of things to do, right after they pass the law stating you have to pass an exam before you get pregnant, so they can cut down on and/or eliminate child abuse cases!

That's EXACTLY what I've been sayin for years! Child bearing should be a regulated privilege, not a right! If regulation were applied today I have no doubt that 9/10 of all existing mothers would prove to be unfit. Furthermore, I am supporting legislation that, if passed, would, in all cases where no written agreement can be produced between parties prior to conception, redefine "deadbeat dad" as "sperm donor" thereby reversing any and all prior judgments from the redefined individual. But let's not derail this thread about it. (heh heh How'ja like THAT one? I try to say never anything inflammatory, zzzzzzzzzzzing! )

@ everybody:

Yeah legal snuff films would be nice. But only if white, blond children under 13 were used as victims. Still, that's not relevant to this thread so try n focus, for now, mkay?

You think it's not OK to crush animals with a high heel shoe but OK to own them, like property? How many "pets" do you own? Why not just legalize slavery, again, and own people, too, while we're at it?

Look. I'm not saying crush films are good, or nice or moral. I'm just saying that out of all the cute little fuzzy animals that are tortured, (the majority of them far worse than being stepped on and flattened in a matter of seconds or minutes but for days, weeks and months before dying), the crush films are responsible for only a fraction of 1% while the pet and fur industries carry on their atrocities without legal challenge.

Guess the Crush Fetish Freak's Lobby lobbyists are underpaid er sumpin'.


All these angry posts against crush films. They sound so incensed, so horrified and disgusted. They defend animal rights regarding crush films but are silent on the pet trade? Oh, sure they give a damn about animal rights. I wonder how many have ever made posts against animal abuse on pet industry forums?

Look at all the hypocracy on this issue we are all guilty of before passing judgement and robbing poor Achnaahde of the only possibly means he's ever been able to find in his chickenshit little life for getting his nut.

 

[jelsmith]

Child bearing should be a regulated privilege, not a right. But let's not derail. (heh heh How'ja like THAT one? I try to say never anything inflammatory, zzzzzzzzzzzing! This thread.

Yeah legal snuff films would be nice. But only if white, blond children under 13 were used as victims. Still, that's not relevant to this thread so try n focus, for now, mkay?

You think it's not OK to crush animals with a high heel shoe but OK to own them, like property? How many "pets" do you own? Why not just legalize slavery, again, and own people, too, while we're at it?

Look. I'm not saying crush films are good, or nice or moral. I'm just saying that out of all the cute little fuzzy animals that are tortured, (the majority of them far worse than being stepped on and flattened in a matter of seconds or minutes but for days, weeks and months before dying), the crush films are responsible for only a fraction of 1% while the pet and fur industries carry on their atrocities without legal challenge.

Guess the Crush Fetish Freak's Lobby lobbyists are underpaid er sumpin'.


All these angry posts against crush films. They sound so incensed, so horrified and disgusted. They defend animal rights regarding crush films but are silent on the pet trade? Oh, sure they give a damn about animal rights. I wonder how many have ever made posts against animal abuse on pet industry forums?
Look at all the hypocracy on this issue we are all guilty of before passing judgement and robbing poor Achnaahde of the only possibly means he's ever been able to find in his chickenshit little life for getting his nut.

Ive done way worse than use words against places like petco, petsmart and the lot.....as well as makers of pet food (yes there is vegan cat food and its well balanced for the diet of the cat). So Im sure im no hippocrite...as i am willing to go to jail for it!

 

[bernynhel]

Ive done way worse than use words against places like petco, petsmart and the lot.....as well as makers of pet food (yes there is vegan cat food and its well balanced for the diet of the cat). So Im sure im no hippocrite...as i am willing to go to jail for it!

...and you own a cat(s). lol Truth be known, so do I, Josie and Kitty. But they only eat live, baby mice. Well, actually, sometimes they get 'em pre-crushed. :icon_twis Breed 'em myself for all of our ammusment. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!