Christie To Sign Gambling Bill Quickly

[P.V.]

Gov. Chris Christie said Tuesday that he will quickly sign an Internet gambling bill if lawmakers make the changes he wants to the legislation.

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[pokeraddict]

The legislature passed it this morning and he signed it this afternoon.

 

[societyofslots]

But what does it mean to the usa casino industry.. Does it mean were one step getting back to how things were. Or 2 steps further away ?

 

[pokeraddict]

If you do not live in New Jersey it means very little unless you think this may pressure other states to pass it. It would not surprise me to see it pass in Pennsylvania and Iowa this year but both are underdogs IMO. There may be a surprise out there too. NV has already legalized online poker and Delaware has already legalized online poker and casino games. Neither are live. At this point, the only internet gambling live in the US is horse racing (20 states +/-), lottery tickets (DE, GA, IL and I think that is all), fantasy sports and sports betting (only in NV).

 

[cpdnd31]

I wonder since IL went live with lottery if they will then go online with gaming. Keeping fingers crossed big time.

 

[jetset]

Bill passed Tuesday with amendments as requested by Christie, and he has signed it into law.

"This was a critical decision, and one that I did not make lightly," Christie said in a statement. "But with the proper regulatory framework and safeguards that I insisted on including in the bill, I am confident that we are offering a responsible yet exciting option that will make Atlantic City more competitive while also bringing financial benefits to New Jersey as a whole."

The Assembly passed the measure (A2578) by a vote of 68-5, with one abstention, and the Senate signed off on the bill (S1565) by a 35-1 vote.

 

[P.V.]

I was reading this tonight, if it's correct this will be a blow to anyone wanting to play in N.J. if you're not located close to a land based casino.

"Casino executives say final rules have to be approved by the gambling enforcement division, but they expect the state to require gamblers to have to appear in person at a casino to open their accounts and verify their age, identity and other personal information."


They should try and change this because for many gaming online is a spur of the moment thing but then you find out you're going to need to travel to Atlantic City and open an account before doing so.

 

[pokeraddict]

I imagine that you only have to appear once. After you prove your identity you will be able to make deposits remotely. I would imagine most NJ gamblers find themselves in AC enough to make an appearance at a casino to get ID'd.

 

[P.V.]

I imagine that you only have to appear once. After you prove your identity you will be able to make deposits remotely. I would imagine most NJ gamblers find themselves in AC enough to make an appearance at a casino to get ID'd.

I tend to think differently. Land based vs. online is two different markets. Sure some will visit the land base casino's in NJ on a regular bases but being forced to make the trip to game online doesn't fly IMO.

Even your state Nevada isn't requiring this type action..

 

[pokeraddict]

I am pretty sure that NV will require a player to show up once at a casino to have their identity verified. After that they will be able to deposit by other means remotely.

The regs may not be clear about that but the current sports betting online that has been live for close to three years requires this by rule of those offering it. After that you can deposit remotely or at a kiosk which are plentiful across the state.

They may be extra cautious but one cannot create a sports betting account without having been to a sports book that photocopies their driver's license. You can bet sports at a kiosk but you still have to be ID'd by a kiosk operator before being able to bet there. The online and mobile books make you show up once to open an account that uses the player's card from the casino to even login.

The NV regs online poker regs allow an electronic transmission of this info but I would be surprised if anyone is that accommodating. They really have no reason to be and there are few players that would be that far away from a casino offering it for it to be a problem. NJ is much smaller too and if a NJ resident wants to gamble they must go to AC, unlike NV where you can gamble virtually anywhere.

 

[P.V.]

I am pretty sure that NV will require a player to show up once at a casino to have their identity verified.

Not the case I can assure you.

 

[pokeraddict]

Not the case I can assure you.

Sorry to be blunt, but I work daily in the industry here, and I am certain that there is a 0% chance any person that has not physically shown up at a gaming point of sale will be able to make a first deposit. Precedent is clear here as there are three years of online gaming behind it. Feel free to post how I am wrong here but no person has ever been able to make an internet deposit for gambling here to this point without having shown up at an admin POS. That is not changing any time soon and no company has been able to demonstrate otherwise.

I know it is hard to control voice levels in a forum, I am welcoming you to prove me wrong. I want to learn.

To give an example tonight, I won $20 on a NCAAB game and the bar had to match my ID and signature on file to pay me, otherwise I would have to drive to a Will Hill book if I refused. This is the standard, how will a random slot player get paid much less deposit if this is how Will Hill requires payouts, much less the others that actually require you to drive to their B&M books to collect, even if you made your bet remotely?

 

[Westland Bowl]

If New Jersey opens online gambling via Atlantic City casinos to people in other states, I wonder if Atlantic City casinos will require an in-person visit if I already have a player card from several of them in order to gamble on their online versions?

 

[nisosbar]

If New Jersey opens online gambling via Atlantic City casinos to people in other states, I wonder if Atlantic City casinos will require an in-person visit if I already have a player card from several of them in order to gamble on their online versions?

I was thinking the same thing. I'm pretty sure if you've verified your age and identity once before (which is what you had to do to get the card/account initially), you won't have to do it a second time. Perhaps they will merely require that you play using your Total Rewards/Tropicana/whatever account number?

Another thing I want to point out, if this in-person verification hurdle becomes a significant barrier to full market saturation for gaming interests, then it will likely have a real impact only on online poker, rather than slots or house games (which have their house edge built right in to the game rules). In other words, in poker you make your money from other players, and you need thousands of players in order to really find good games. With slots, all you need is a casino willing to take your bet.

 

[Westland Bowl]

I think that players of online casino versions of land casinos will still require players to come to the land casino at least once to verify identity in a more stringent manner because with casino games/poker now being regulated, there are tax issues now which require verifying your social security number. They may involve actually taking a photo of you and all that.

 

[just play]

I think that players of online casino versions of land casinos will still require players to come to the land casino at least once to verify identity in a more stringent manner because with casino games/poker now being regulated, there are tax issues now which require verifying your social security number. They may involve actually taking a photo of you and all that.

I'm not quite sure I understand you guys...I live in Massachusetts, you mean to tell me in order for me to play I will have to go to a land based casino and verify I am who I am? Seems a little ridiculous, are you sure this is correct?

 

[Westland Bowl]

I'm not quite sure I understand you guys...I live in Massachusetts, you mean to tell me in order for me to play I will have to go to a land based casino and verify I am who I am? Seems a little ridiculous, are you sure this is correct?

I used language that shows I am only speculating about identity requirements. If Nevada rules are any indication, then I speculated that an actual visit to the land casino would be required for regulated online gambling. I then speculated that the *reason* that this might be required would be for tax purposes. Usually anything involving money being transferred and taxes would always require an face-to-face verification of identity and social security number.

 

[nisosbar]

I'm not quite sure I understand you guys...I live in Massachusetts, you mean to tell me in order for me to play I will have to go to a land based casino and verify I am who I am? Seems a little ridiculous, are you sure this is correct?

It will likely depend upon 1) can MA residents gamble online with NJ-based casinos; likely not (not from MA), but if it turns out they can, 2) they'll likely need to verify their identities, in exactly the same way customers need to verify their identities in land-based casinos.

I'm not sure why you think this is ridiculous. You have to verify who you are to existing online casinos.

Keep in mind, NJ is not Nevada; from what I understand, NJ's state constitution restricts legal gambling to Atlantic City - one municipality on Jersey's south shore. What this law seems to do is improve gaming services to existing (or new) land-based customers.

 

[just play]

It will likely depend upon 1) can MA residents gamble online with NJ-based casinos; likely not (not from MA), but if it turns out they can, 2) they'll likely need to verify their identities, in exactly the same way customers need to verify their identities in land-based casinos.

I'm not sure why you think this is ridiculous. You have to verify who you are to existing online casinos.

Keep in mind, NJ is not Nevada; from what I understand, NJ's state constitution restricts legal gambling to Atlantic City - one municipality on Jersey's south shore. What this law seems to do is improve gaming services to existing (or new) land-based customers.

But I don't have to drive there.


Why wouldn't we be able to verify our identity the exact same way we do with the online casinos we play now?


Nisosbar you confused me even more....I thought other states would indeed get to play online at these casinos? Isn't that the reason everyone is excited? What am I missing here?

 

[nisosbar]

Nisosbar you confused me even more....I thought other states would indeed get to play online at these casinos? Isn't that the reason everyone is excited? What am I missing here?

I think NJ would need to negotiate separate agreements with each of the other 49 states in order for residents of those states to be permitted to place bets. This legislation was passed by NJ's government only.

People who are excited are probably those who live close to NJ - there are what, like 30 million people who live in the Northeast? NJ is kind of right in the middle of the region.

Some excitement could also be that NJ may be the first domino leading other states to legalize matters for their own states, as well.

 

[Westland Bowl]

But I don't have to drive there.


Why wouldn't we be able to verify our identity the exact same way we do with the online casinos we play now?


Nisosbar you confused me even more....I thought other states would indeed get to play online at these casinos? Isn't that the reason everyone is excited? What am I missing here?

So far three states, Nevada, Delaware and New Jersey, has legalized online gambling (for poker, at least) *within* their respective state borders. It is not yet across the United States. But Nevada had language extending online gambling to "other jurisdictions" which can be interpreted as other states. After six long years after the UIEGA passed restricting a lot of online gambling in the USA, anything moving in the direction of legal/regulated online gambling in the states- however small- gets everyone excited. But so far we are not fully there yet.

 

[just play]

I think NJ would need to negotiate separate agreements with each of the other 49 states in order for residents of those states to be permitted to place bets. This legislation was passed by NJ's government only.

People who are excited are probably those who live close to NJ - there are what, like 30 million people who live in the Northeast? NJ is kind of right in the middle of the region.

Some excitement could also be that NJ may be the first domino leading other states to legalize matters for their own states, as well.

55 million in 2010 ...

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I guess you would say it's in the middle right. lol.


I'm hoping for your last sentence to come true!!!

 

[P.V.]

Sorry to be blunt, but I work daily in the industry here, and I am certain that there is a 0% chance any person that has not physically shown up at a gaming point of sale will be able to make a first deposit.

I know it is hard to control voice levels in a forum, I am welcoming you to prove me wrong. I want to learn.

Here you go pokeraddict, read 5A.110. Link:

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Hopefully NJ will follow suite when they finalize their gaming bill, time will tell.

 

[Westland Bowl]

Here you go pokeraddict, read 5A.110. Link:

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Hopefully NJ will follow suite when they finalize their gaming bill, time will tell.

Within 5A.110:

"4. An operator may allow an individual to register as an authorized player either remotely or in person."

And thereafter the casino has 30 days to verify the information. I guess it is determinate upon HOW that is verified and up to the individual casino whether the person would be required to come to the casino in person or not. But there are many companies that offer verification services without the player showing up physically.

 

[just play]

Within 5A.110:

"4. An operator may allow an individual to register as an authorized player either remotely or in person."

And thereafter the casino has 30 days to verify the information. I guess it is determinate upon HOW that is verified and up to the individual casino whether the person would be required to come to the casino in person or not. But there are many companies that offer verification services without the player showing up physically.

Thanks for that, my computer wouldn't let me open up P.V. link.

I was just thinking it would be kinda odd to make a person drive to a land based casino to get verified. What if they live like 6 hours away or something ya know?