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On Probation Casino770 is going to try it again

Unfortunately on technical issues i don't have a clue :) :)

so i have to wait for an update from the relative dpt.

maybe ''WildReels'' who registered yesterday and complained about the delay, could update us if he received the mail and how long it took him to receive it

Regards,
Konstantinos

i never received my mail, and i didnt pursue the cs to activate me either, have since registered at several other casinos and received their emails with no problems, likewise i work in IT, and have total control over my email so its not hiding in some junk/spam folder :)

it was more a heads up that first impressions do count, so if im struggling to register then its not really going to encourage me to play there.
 
Hi,

the withdrawal procedure is quite fast for verified members

Regards,
Konstantinos

So let me ask you... how long does verification takes? Read below for what it says on their website.

It has been now more than 60 hours and counting... so tell me how long will it take?

If in case you are a little lost Konstantinos, here's what is quoted on your site...
6.8. If your country appears on the list below, please send us a proof of identity by e-mail to the following address:[email protected]. This will allow us to check your identity and to send you your bonuses (within 24 hours).
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So let me ask you... how long does verification takes? Read below for what it says on their website.

It has been now more than 60 hours and counting... so tell me how long will it take?

If in case you are a little lost Konstantinos, here's what is quoted on your site...

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Hello all,

@aodat2 please send me your username and I will handle it personally

@wild reels, you definitely have right on that. But we made test accounts and didn't show any problem. Can u please send me your username as well?

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Horrible video poker pay table: 93.76 % / 94.50 % RTP!

I thought it might be interesting to share what I have just found out: The pay table for Jacks or Better at Casino 770 for 1, 2, 3 or 4 coins is so horrible that the RTP according to the video poker analyzer on the Wizardofodds website is 93.76 %! :eek2:
With 5 coins, the RTP is 94.50 %.
 
Hi all,

Some replies that I owe to "aodat2" , "hoff1985" and "wild reels" are sent through pm (in a couple of minutes) please check your inboxes and let me know if these are clear to you

As its weekend and on Monday we have bank holiday in UK I wish you all a nice weekend and feel free to post your comments/complains here , but please note that on Tuesday I will be able again to check personally these issues

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Personally, it is once bitten twice shy when it comes to Casino 770 for me.

IMO there have been too many issues over too long a period to expect any significant change.

well lets see if things change at least there does seem to be some kind of of hope here someone has gone out there way to contact brian & try to sort some of the mess , i have a account there never realy played though due to bad press , so would be good to watch this thread over coming months )
 
Little suggestion

Hi there,

i have a little suggestion that you may can send to the technial team:

-> It looks that wagering requirements do not dissapear... I had 0.15$ left in my account did a new deposit with a bonus, and then the new requirement was added to the old one, so the wagering requirement was still fully active on the 0.15$.

Maybe it would help if you inform players that the shouldy play their account totally down to zero before depositing again and getting a new bonus.

It wouldn't be such a big deal if they Support would immediately take care of it, but the "Live Support" cannot do anything if that happens and you have to wait with playing until you get an answer from the tech team. So there's a delay...

Just as a little suggestion :) Nothing critical.
 
Personally, it is once bitten twice shy when it comes to Casino 770 for me.

IMO there have been too many issues over too long a period to expect any significant change.

I agree 100%. Also, if/when Casino 770 falls again. This forum will leave rogue pit casinos in the pit. I feel whenever a casino is highlighted here as a fair place to play. Its because of honor and not because of a checkered past. I have a brother who has stolen from me in the past. I forgave him, he went and got help, changed his life. Do I love him? Yes. But do I still trust him? HELL NO!
 
Hello guys,

I understand your point of view based on the past issues. But i want to mention again, that the reason of my existence here is in order to make present+future much better and to avoid/solve issues that may affect you asap.

It doesnt have to do with "love...yes it has to do with "trust"....but most of all has to do with "Respect"...and believe me or not, i respect players more than you can imagine :)

So yes, its fair enough to have this opinion based on past incidents. But is it fair to support that nothing changed/is going to change? :)

Have a nice evening and i am always available to have interesting discussions here :)

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Hello guys,

I understand your point of view based on the past issues. But i want to mention again, that the reason of my existence here is in order to make present+future much better and to avoid/solve issues that may affect you asap.

It doesnt have to do with "love...yes it has to do with "trust"....but most of all has to do with "Respect"...and believe me or not, i respect players more than you can imagine :)

So yes, its fair enough to have this opinion based on past incidents. But is it fair to support that nothing changed/is going to change? :)

Have a nice evening and i am always available to have interesting discussions here :)

Regards,
Konstantinos

That's fine and dandy...But we'll let the past, present and future be the judge of that. If you do right by your players. Then you have nothing to worry about. It's as simple as that.
 
I understand your point of view based on the past issues. But i want to mention again, that the reason of my existence here is in order to make present+future much better and to avoid/solve issues that may affect you asap.


TBH if your being here is the only way to get anything accomplished, that doesn't exactly instill confidence either. Regular casino support should be able to sort out most - if not ALL - issues that players have without having to find you on casinomeister to help them.

There was another case with another casino group who had a very helpful rep, and as soon as she went on holidays or got sick, all the problems piled up again.

I'm not saying it's not good that you're here, it's just that if the casino was not run in a roguelike manner, you wouldn't NEED a rep and wouldn't have been in the pit in the first place. The first step should be training support staff to actually do what they're being paid for and sort out issues when they occur. If players win, then pay them in a timely manner. Clear up past issues and THEN try getting out of the pit.

This isn't the first time someone has appeared and sung the new song and dance, so forgive me if I sound cynical. I hope you can get your casino turned around, but it will take some time to build up your credibility. Just having someone put in an appearance on casinomeister isn't enough IMO.
 
I swear in God, that a few hours ago I was "kicked" out from the 2 of the "biggest" casinos in London. Do you know what they were saying to me? (Despite the fact I always play in roulette 1-20, 10 and 8-11-30) ??? That I was "drunk" with the UK measures of Bacardi they put here:)

One-two hours ago guys :)

Trust me, business is always business, but with out respect is nothing.

I have been in both sides....

I still am....

More I will respect the player next to me, than the person who works for me with out never risked/lost nothing in the "game" ;)
 
It was an example of "exaggeration" based on real fact to make a follow up and give an example of what I was supporting previously:)

@Trilej, I never sleep, lol:)
 
Hi guys,

Because I don't want to occur any misunderstanding, due to my average English :)

What I said before, was an example, that happened to...happen today, showing a specific attitude to a player, me. The reason I post this example was to show that as you are players, I am also, and that I am by your side (as long as everyone follows the tc).

So when this happens, even if you win even very big, I will not going to change my initial purpose that I am here, neither I will try find "ridiculous" excuses to not be by your side (that's why I gave the example).

I apologize if that was misunderstood previously

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
TBH if your being here is the only way to get anything accomplished, that doesn't exactly instill confidence either. Regular casino support should be able to sort out most - if not ALL - issues that players have without having to find you on casinomeister to help them.

There was another case with another casino group who had a very helpful rep, and as soon as she went on holidays or got sick, all the problems piled up again.

I'm not saying it's not good that you're here, it's just that if the casino was not run in a roguelike manner, you wouldn't NEED a rep and wouldn't have been in the pit in the first place. The first step should be training support staff to actually do what they're being paid for and sort out issues when they occur. If players win, then pay them in a timely manner. Clear up past issues and THEN try getting out of the pit.

This isn't the first time someone has appeared and sung the new song and dance, so forgive me if I sound cynical. I hope you can get your casino turned around, but it will take some time to build up your credibility. Just having someone put in an appearance on casinomeister isn't enough IMO.

Actually Chayton, in your post I wanted to reply from the first place

Because good or not, my phone will ring in every reply here whatever the time is. And I will check the replies. So even if its 4-5-6 in the morning, or even I will be on vacation, doesn't change anything :)

Apologies again if you didn't received well the purpose of my previous post

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
If there is concern over "bonus seekers", there needs to be a CLEAR set of rules for players to follow, not the usual vague and long winded set of terms we often see. If players are meant to use only one bonus per day, enforce this with the software. Make any bonus codes specific to those accounts that were sent them, so if a player finds out a code they were not sent, it just doesn't work.

This is the internet, and bonus codes get shared, and quite often they get sent by spammers trying to trick recipients that the casino themselves has sent it. This would lead to a player innocently using a code they were not sent by the casino, but that has ended up being sent to them by a spammer. I am getting sent these offers from Casino770, yet I don't even have an account! It has to be a spammer. However, if I DID have an account, and the code worked, I would expect the outcome to be honoured.

Some players want to get their basic documents verified up front because some casinos have used BS excuses to reject perfectly valid documents, or have demanded notarisation of standard ID documents for seemingly no good reason. Pre verification goes some way towards allaying such fears. At least players can get past the hurdle of "the document is not clear", or "please post a notarised copy to the Philipines", BEFORE they have a withdrawal held to ransom. If they face problems getting verified before they play, they can at least take their custom elsewhere. In any case, you are supposed to check someone's age BEFORE they place a bet, not after they have won.

The only things the casino can't verify up front are the deposits and chosen withdrawal method.

As for checking via IP address, most players will end up having a number of different IP addresses as they play. How often they change depends on their ISP. Most use a pool, and these are allocated to a customer when they switch on their modem. There is also a world wide shortage of IP addresses, and some ISPs are struggling to get enough to even allow all their customers to have all their devices online simultaneously. Customers of such struggling ISPs are likely to cycle through many more IP addresses than customers of ISPs with plenty of slack in their IP pools.

Geolocation is also imperfect, sometimes dramatically so. The UK National Lottery and the BBC use geolocation to ensure only UK residents can register and use the service. However, various forums are riddled with complaints from UK customers who are getting blocked because they are "not in the UK" according to the website. This is geolocation getting their COUNTRY wrong, let alone their town.

The problem with a third attempt is convincing players that it won't just be a rerun of the second. A fourth attempt will be harder still, so EVERYBODY in the company needs to be committed to making this work, not just the rep.

For the email registration issue, get the tech department to check that the outbound mailserver is not on any blacklist. If it is, the emails get blocked before they even get as far as any spam folder. Some Virgin Media users have discovered that some of VMs own outbound email servers have been blacklisted in this way, and they are unable to get emails through to people. It shows that even "legit" companies' email servers can end up blacklisted without them realising it.
 
Hello,

To be honest, about the technical issues i dont have a clue, and with the only person i would like speak about them, it would be Steve Jobs :) :) but i will pass your message to the relative department (yes, its not going to be fixed asap, mostly will be as feedback)

For me, the most important is the "players journey" and the withdrawal procedure. This has to do with "real people", so for this i struggle lets say. Communication and respect :) about the pre-verification period i agree with you. It must be found a way with the anti-fraud department in order to make all these faster. Actually this applies on the first withdrawal, but yes, i also want to do it asap.

I am working on a project, lets say VIP plan that will allow some things to happen in the....shortest period of time. But this will need a couple of weeks until i organize it good:)

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Hi vinylweatherman,

Some further info regarding your previous message

If there is concern over "bonus seekers", there needs to be a CLEAR set of rules for players to follow, not the usual vague and long winded set of terms we often see. If players are meant to use only one bonus per day, enforce this with the software. Make any bonus codes specific to those accounts that were sent them, so if a player finds out a code they were not sent, it just doesn't work.

Technically isn’t possible for the moment. There are hundreds of bonus codes given to players / affiliates / special promos / birthday bonuses etc. , so for the time being the bonus seekers are handled when they proceed on withdrawals and the anti-fraud department checks their gaming activity before proceeds on the payment.

This is the internet, and bonus codes get shared, and quite often they get sent by spammers trying to trick recipients that the casino themselves has sent it. This would lead to a player innocently using a code they were not sent by the casino, but that has ended up being sent to them by a spammer. I am getting sent these offers from Casino770, yet I don't even have an account! It has to be a spammer. However, if I DID have an account, and the code worked, I would expect the outcome to be honoured.

If a player gets a code by us through e-mail or from a third party / affiliate then definitely he will be able to use it and everything will be honored.
The only things the casino can't verify up front are the deposits and chosen withdrawal method.


As for checking via IP address, most players will end up having a number of different IP addresses as they play. How often they change depends on their ISP. Most use a pool, and these are allocated to a customer when they switch on their modem. There is also a world wide shortage of IP addresses, and some ISPs are struggling to get enough to even allow all their customers to have all their devices online simultaneously. Customers of such struggling ISPs are likely to cycle through many more IP addresses than customers of ISPs with plenty of slack in their IP pools.

I see quite often this issue with the IPs , especially in UK. But as far as the player provides the appropriate proofs (utility bills , ids etc.) then everything will be solved. I know it’s a procedure that ‘’annoy’’ players, but this happen only in the 1st withdrawal. All the rest are quite fast, same like the most of the companies.

Geolocation is also imperfect, sometimes dramatically so. The UK National Lottery and the BBC use geolocation to ensure only UK residents can register and use the service. However, various forums are riddled with complaints from UK customers who are getting blocked because they are "not in the UK" according to the website. This is geolocation getting their COUNTRY wrong, let alone their town.

This is understandable when you ‘’target’’ entirely a country. But we accept players and we are active in the most of the countries on Casino770.

The problem with a third attempt is convincing players that it won't just be a rerun of the second. A fourth attempt will be harder still, so EVERYBODY in the company needs to be committed to making this work, not just the rep

Everybody does his work right. The ‘’rep’’ role I have here, is just to make things happen faster. There are hundreds/thousands of requests per day. I saw the report that was posted on Casinomeister here
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, its very nice to see that we have been rated so high and we try to better also the ‘’response time’’ . Its a category we didn't do well. But I think we are on the right way though :)


For the email registration issue, get the tech department to check that the outbound mailserver is not on any blacklist. If it is, the emails get blocked before they even get as far as any spam folder. Some Virgin Media users have discovered that some of VMs own outbound email servers have been blacklisted in this way, and they are unable to get emails through to people. It shows that even "legit" companies' email servers can end up blacklisted without them realising it.

I was digging a lot on this issue and as I was informed , the problem was with the domains that some players use to register. If someone uses Hotmail/Gmail (the known ones lets say) , then its very rare to face a problem like this. The problem is that some domains are not recognizable. But we are definitely ‘’white listed’’.

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
I was digging a lot on this issue and as I was informed , the problem was with the domains that some players use to register. If someone uses Hotmail/Gmail (the known ones lets say) , then its very rare to face a problem like this. The problem is that some domains are not recognizable. But we are definitely ‘’white listed’’.


You may misunderstand the technical side of this, but CM understands. There are some receiving domains that take it upon themselves to block emails based on their own internal and "secret" criteria. This often hits emails that are related to casinos, and is a big problem for the PAB process. Your own whitelisting would not help, neither would having a spotless record in the third party databases of "domains known for excessive spamming".

One problem might be that players know they had better be truthful when registering, so use their primary email address, whereas the solution for this problem is to create a new email address with one of the known "safe" domains such as Gmail (more info on this in the PAB FAQ) specifically for playing at the casino. The industry wide zero tolerance attitude to false information may be deterring players from creating Gmail addresses just for the casino because they fear that this might count against them in the verification process.

Issuing "hundreds of codes" to affiliates and players should not be necessary. It means there are hundreds of potential leaks of these codes, and the problem is the "honour third party" aspect of your argument. A player cannot know which "third party" is authorised to distribute codes and which is using such codes illegitimately for their own ends, such as using a code granted to affiliate A for the benefit of affiliate B, or a website posting, or allowing the posting of, bonus codes in order to attract traffic to their site. They could easily claim they have been authorised to dish out these codes, and there is no way for the player to check.

A better solution, one that still allows the use of many codes, would be to attach valid codes to each players' account. It would not then matter what codes were handed out or by whom, the code would be rejected at the point of use if authorisation had not been given for it to be distributed to said player. Bonus seekers would get nowhere trawling the net for codes, and sites that faked authorisation would find their members complaining that "the code you gave me didn't work, YOUR problem, so fix it". Of course, they would not be able to fix it as they never had a genuine authorisation to issue the code.

The other problem is spam. Codes are often used, and spammers will often go to great lengths to make the email look as though it came from the casino rather than an affiliate. Also played down is the "new players only" aspect of the offer, leading many existing players to believe that the email is an offer to them direct from the casino, so expect it to both work and be honoured when their withdrawal is audited.

Many casinos have already moved away from issuing codes by email or websites to having personalised offers for players when they log in. For players, it is a case of not in your lobby means you are not eligible for whatever promo you may have seen on some third party site, been sent by a friend, or have received in a spam email.
 
You may misunderstand the technical side of this, but CM understands. There are some receiving domains that take it upon themselves to block emails based on their own internal and "secret" criteria. This often hits emails that are related to casinos, and is a big problem for the PAB process. Your own whitelisting would not help, neither would having a spotless record in the third party databases of "domains known for excessive spamming".

One problem might be that players know they had better be truthful when registering, so use their primary email address, whereas the solution for this problem is to create a new email address with one of the known "safe" domains such as Gmail (more info on this in the PAB FAQ) specifically for playing at the casino. The industry wide zero tolerance attitude to false information may be deterring players from creating Gmail addresses just for the casino because they fear that this might count against them in the verification process.

Issuing "hundreds of codes" to affiliates and players should not be necessary. It means there are hundreds of potential leaks of these codes, and the problem is the "honour third party" aspect of your argument. A player cannot know which "third party" is authorised to distribute codes and which is using such codes illegitimately for their own ends, such as using a code granted to affiliate A for the benefit of affiliate B, or a website posting, or allowing the posting of, bonus codes in order to attract traffic to their site. They could easily claim they have been authorised to dish out these codes, and there is no way for the player to check.

A better solution, one that still allows the use of many codes, would be to attach valid codes to each players' account. It would not then matter what codes were handed out or by whom, the code would be rejected at the point of use if authorisation had not been given for it to be distributed to said player. Bonus seekers would get nowhere trawling the net for codes, and sites that faked authorisation would find their members complaining that "the code you gave me didn't work, YOUR problem, so fix it". Of course, they would not be able to fix it as they never had a genuine authorisation to issue the code.

The other problem is spam. Codes are often used, and spammers will often go to great lengths to make the email look as though it came from the casino rather than an affiliate. Also played down is the "new players only" aspect of the offer, leading many existing players to believe that the email is an offer to them direct from the casino, so expect it to both work and be honoured when their withdrawal is audited.

Many casinos have already moved away from issuing codes by email or websites to having personalised offers for players when they log in. For players, it is a case of not in your lobby means you are not eligible for whatever promo you may have seen on some third party site, been sent by a friend, or have received in a spam email.

Hi vinylweatherman,

its really very interesting what you noted

i will look into this and i would be really happy if you have more proposals/observations to make

surely all these can't be fixed very soon, but are ideas for consideration and if all these help players to have a better experience on Casino770, then we would like to do it :) And i really appreciate the fact that you make this kind of posts in this thread, i really do :)

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
I doubt whether we are in a position to dictate to the operators on how to run their business, how to send out codes etc. So ultimately the casino will be judged on how it handles contentious issues. Problems do arise when free chips are given out too readily and I can honestly say there have been hordes of bonus abusers who never intend to deposit but who win on a free chip and then cry foul when they aren't paid.

In this tech-savvy industry where there is a will there is a will. There is practically nothing the software provider cannot do if the operators who are there customers, push hard enough. VWM suggestions are worth a shot and you could relay them to the software provider if they cannot be readily implemented.
 
I doubt whether we are in a position to dictate to the operators on how to run their business, how to send out codes etc. So ultimately the casino will be judged on how it handles contentious issues. Problems do arise when free chips are given out too readily and I can honestly say there have been hordes of bonus abusers who never intend to deposit but who win on a free chip and then cry foul when they aren't paid.

In this tech-savvy industry where there is a will there is a will. There is practically nothing the software provider cannot do if the operators who are there customers, push hard enough. VWM suggestions are worth a shot and you could relay them to the software provider if they cannot be readily implemented.

Hi chuchu59,

i agree 100% with you on the part regarding ''the casino will be judged on how it handles contentious issues''.

Casino770 is an iSoftbet casino, but we also use games from other providers as well as Leander and IGT, so its not only about pushing hard, it needs (i suppose, because from technical issues i don't have a clue) a lot of co-organization for possible changes of this kind.

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Is it just me that’s wondering why this probation thing thread has just gone dead for 10 days or am I being a little thick and don’t know when to gently let things slide into history?

Could be 10 days with no issues, or no-one is buying it and it's 10 days with no-one having risked joining the casino.

If probation ends with no complaints, they have effectively passed probation and will be out of the pit, and presumably into the reservation. If they can achieve this, they should really try their best not to screw it up again.
 
Could be 10 days with no issues, or no-one is buying it and it's 10 days with no-one having risked joining the casino.

If probation ends with no complaints, they have effectively passed probation and will be out of the pit, and presumably into the reservation. If they can achieve this, they should really try their best not to screw it up again.

Okay thanks for that, generally these high profile threads tend to reduce in numbers of posts and then go away naturally, just seemed rather abrupt to me. I'll learn the ways....
 
Hello all,

Our target is not only to pass successfully the probation period, but also to provide the best assistance in the long term as well. Maybe problems will always exist, but we will be here to solve them asap. For this reason every feedback you have to give us, is always much appreciated.

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Hello all,

Our target is not only to pass successfully the probation period, but also to provide the best assistance in the long term as well. Maybe problems will always exist, but we will be here to solve them asap. For this reason every feedback you have to give us, is always much appreciated.

Regards,
Konstantinos

May I ask if this kind of service is given customers that are not members at this forum but others?
It's great to have you here if people just can find you, but most of the earlier complaints that have been I have read about on other places.
I can of course go get them for you. I just need to know if I will have to? :)
 
Sure you can redirect them to me and I will gladly help them as well if they face any kind of problems

I wish all players treated in the best possible way. If there are cases that this doesn't happen, then I will gladly provide my assistance in order to happen

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Sure you can redirect them to me and I will gladly help them as well if they face any kind of problems

I wish all players treated in the best possible way. If there are cases that this doesn't happen, then I will gladly provide my assistance in order to happen

Regards,
Konstantinos

That wasn't the answer I had hoped for. I thought you were reaching out to your players everywhere and not just here.
Let's just hope there won't be any complaints then.
 
Hello again,

You meant if we reply/help players in other forums? (Sorry but I misunderstood what you meant)

Yes, as long as the respective webmasters inform our CS for any player's complain, the CS (customer support) take care of this issue and also replies on the relative threads. Otherwise this happens through other account managers.

Sorry for misunderstanding, I just thought that the question was if you could redirect me cases that players face some issues directly to me, that's why I answered yes.

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Is it just me that’s wondering why this probation thing thread has just gone dead for 10 days or am I being a little thick and don’t know when to gently let things slide into history?

Many of us were at a conference last week - to include Konstantinos. :D

We're all back and are waiting for any outstanding complaints to be posted.
 
I noticed this term on 770.com:

"Also bear in mind that you can withdraw no more cash than you initially deposited via your credit card on your Casino casino770 account. Therefore, if you wish to withdraw winnings higher than the amount you initially deposited, you will need to do this withdrawal by wire transfer. This restriction is established by credit card companies and not by our Casino. For instance, if you deposited £700 into your account and you got your game balance to £1100 and decided to withdraw it you will only be able to withdraw £700 to your credit card and the remaining £400 will need to be transferred via wire transfer to your bank account."



Sorry, but this is bollox. I know some casinos invoke this policy, but Guts for example sent me back over 1200 more than I deposited to my visa credit card, and they are a Maltese LGA casino too. Show me WHERE this restriction is stated by the credit card companies?

I have used many UK cards in the past, from a few different banks, and ALL have had occasions whereby the casino I've played has paid total deposits+profit back to them with no issues.
 
I noticed this term on 770.com:

"Also bear in mind that you can withdraw no more cash than you initially deposited via your credit card on your Casino casino770 account. Therefore, if you wish to withdraw winnings higher than the amount you initially deposited, you will need to do this withdrawal by wire transfer. This restriction is established by credit card companies and not by our Casino. For instance, if you deposited £700 into your account and you got your game balance to £1100 and decided to withdraw it you will only be able to withdraw £700 to your credit card and the remaining £400 will need to be transferred via wire transfer to your bank account."



Sorry, but this is bollox. I know some casinos invoke this policy, but Guts for example sent me back over 1200 more than I deposited to my visa credit card, and they are a Maltese LGA casino too. Show me WHERE this restriction is stated by the credit card companies?

I have used many UK cards in the past, from a few different banks, and ALL have had occasions whereby the casino I've played has paid total deposits+profit back to them with no issues.

It works on UK VISA cards, but it seems they have to be part of a scheme in order for casinos to pay back the entire amount. There is a problem that this could place a credit card into a credit balance, which banks don't like. It's not an overall policy, but one that seems to be down to individual card providers.

Perhaps this is another case of a casino imposing a policy that some players might view as unpopular, and then distancing itself by blaming an external force, in this case the "card providers". It's probably easier to implement the same policy for all than to figure out which cards can take a full withdrawal, and which can't. It seems that British issued VISA cards can take back the whole amount, but in other countries it seems more common to have the withdrawals processed as refunds for purchases, meaning only a sum to the equivalent of all previous deposits can be returned.

The claim that a bank wire is "the only way" also seems rather odd given the numerous methods players have at their disposal for both deposits and withdrawals. It suggests their options are more limited than they are for the major casino groups.

I used to have significant withdrawals sent back to my Barclaycard, and it was a simple matter of contacting them to have any surplus sent to my bank, or I could leave it there and spend it later. If it's a debit card, sending the money back is the equivalent of a bank wire. Both will drop the money back into the same bank account.
 
Hi dunover,

As far as I know this method is widely used regarding the "credit" cards, but I am not in place to give you, at least this moment, an official reply. This term though I am sure that is used a lot of years now for the credit cards (anti-fraud, stolen cards, money laundering etc.). I suppose there have been many issues with the credit cards in the past and this is a measure to prevent some cases.

The most important though is that there is NO way to loose your winnings, so I don't think that this term really matters a lot. Even with wire transfer, even with cheque the payment will always come to your account and this is the most important, isn't it? :)

The majority of the players are decent. But you must always have to your mind that there and some that try to commit fraud. I suppose that all these terms that in your eyes (and to the most people eyes seem a little bit strange) are because of trying to prevent some situations.

I don't know if you are satisfied by my answer (I can ask tomorrow to learn exactly), but I am not so sure that I will be redirected in the exact TC of the credit card companies.

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Hi dunover,

As far as I know this method is widely used regarding the "credit" cards, but I am not in place to give you, at least this moment, an official reply. This term though I am sure that is used a lot of years now for the credit cards (anti-fraud, stolen cards, money laundering etc.). I suppose there have been many issues with the credit cards in the past and this is a measure to prevent some cases.

The most important though is that there is NO way to loose your winnings, so I don't think that this term really matters a lot. Even with wire transfer, even with cheque the payment will always come to your account and this is the most important, isn't it? :)

The majority of the players are decent. But you must always have to your mind that there and some that try to commit fraud. I suppose that all these terms that in your eyes (and to the most people eyes seem a little bit strange) are because of trying to prevent some situations.

I don't know if you are satisfied by my answer (I can ask tomorrow to learn exactly), but I am not so sure that I will be redirected in the exact TC of the credit card companies.

Regards,
Konstantinos

It's probably not there, else NO casino would be able to pay a whole withdrawal back to a credit card.

This statement is false:-

This restriction is established by credit card companies and not by our Casino.

Trying to pass the buck to another company can cause PR problems if it can be shown that the other company has applied no such term. It's really a policy, and is much more likely to be a policy from your end, rather than the banking sector in general.

If it's not the casino, it is likely to be your particular bank that has imposed this restriction. It may be that the bank is not part of the scheme that supports payments to credit cards. The other common example of this in action is the "balance transfer" promotion, where credit card A offers a customer an offer to transfer a balance from credit card B and enjoy a better deal. This is achieved by Credit card A making a payment to credit card B on behalf of the customer, which is another case of paying "more than the total of purchases" to a credit card. The offers do say that there are "a small number of cards from which we can't accept a balance transfer", but these tend to be store cards or some more obscure brands.

These issues are what makes eWallets so popular among players. This would reduce this problem to the purchases going back to the card, and anything over that amount (winnings) going to an eWallet.

It's probably the newer players that automatically expect to be able to withdraw back to a VISA card, along with those who only play occasionally, and for small amounts, who might consider an eWallet is not worth the trouble.
 
Hi vinylweatherman,

Honestly I don't know for sure (this moment) why this happens

But I don't believe that it's by our end. I am quite sure this policy is applied by the credit card companies. I have this belief because I had see this term a lot of years ago when I was placing some sports bets by my own in a betting company (not in UK). I am quite sure I have seen this term. For debit cards I never had neither me any problem. The credit cards have something like credit/re credit, but not payment. I have many years to use one, but this is what happened (if I remember well).

But I think it's better to give you a reply tomorrow (because maybe i say @@ this moment :) ) after contacting the financial team, since now I can't provide you with exact details for this issue. I will get back on this tomorrow :)

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Hello,

just to give an update regarding the last posts for the credit cards

generally the reason this ''may'' happen sometimes is for anti-fraud measures, but also from some credit card companies and some of our gateways

apologies for not being able to provide a full and clear reply, but these are the general reasons (based also on the country of the player)

in any case, there is NO way anyone to loose any of his winnings, and this i think again its the most important :)

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Usually a bonus seeker is someone that takes (almost exclusively) advantage of the bonus offers and uses multiple accounts, same ip, fake personal details, phone numbers etc...

When this player will proceed on a withdrawal request, the financial department will check his record in order to see if any kind of fraud had been commited....

But this happens only to the real ‘’bonus seekers’’. A normal player, doesn’t have anything to fear about. All the players who don’t commit any kind of ‘’fraud’’ they can enjoy our promos.

7. BONUS SEEKER
7.1.A user can use the promotions only if his/her last transaction with our services is a deposit. If a user starts to withdraw cash from his/her account, Casino770 reserves the right to block the user from receiving promotions or bonuses. Casino770 would like to remind users that promotions, cancelled withdrawals and bonuses do not count as deposits.

7.2. All abusive and repetitive use of promotions offered by Casino770 during deposits (including but not limited to our partners' promotions for payments, our certificates and reward certificates) by depositing only a minimum amount in order to play with the bonus can bring Casino770, at its sole discretion, to label the user as a "Bonus Seeker", or to block him/her and to cancel his user account and any transactions associated with it.


Hi Konstantinos,

You use the terms "fraud" and "fake" in your explanation to LondonDJ. But in the actual T&C clauses, none of these words are mentioned. Instead, the clauses relating to "BONUS SEEKER" are extremely ambiguous. They certainly aren't directed at fraudulent players but at all players in general.

If the casino means XY or Z then spell it out in plain English and every other language you operate under. Don't expect players to read between the lines. New designed site etc etc is all nice BUT not addressing the nuts and bolts of a casino operation, especially T&C's which contain (possible) FU clauses, wont make people here jump up and down for joy!
 
Hi ChillBill,

i will suggest the review of the TC to the management

in any case though, nobody is characterized as ''bonus seeker'' without a reason.

as i mention though, i will suggest the total review of the TC, because of and some major good changes we will have soon :)

Regards,
Konstantinos
 
Well, looks like a success. There are no open issues. The casino has remained responsive to members' questions, and I feel that they have done what needed ot be done to get them out of the rogue pit.

De-rogueified.
 
Thank you very much Bryan,

and i would like to thank and all the visitors of Casinomeister that with their observations provide me very useful feedbacks

i am looking forward for the new ''challenges'' :)

Best Regards,
Konstantinos
 
General question about Bonus Money

Hey Konstantinos,

i' ve sent you a question by PM about verification and the duration of a cashout to Skrill (about 10 working days??), but i have another "general question"...

The Bonus Money is sticky (in my case 30$ because i had 60$ including a 100% bonus), so i couldn't withdraw the 30$, but now the bonus money is still in my account even after i initated a withdrawal for the rest. Chat said it stays there and i can continue to play with it... But... Does it stay there forever?? I mean when i cash out again, it's still bonus money so it stays again? That would mean that bonus money even after wagering is there in the account forever?

Can you explain?

Thanks :)
Andre
 

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