casino.net - good bonus for me as beginner?

[P@u1]

hi everyone, at first I want to say that i'm new at this forum and at online casino gaming and I want to thank u for your answers in advance.

I read a guide at easycoins.com which explains how to make money with the bonusses of some casino by using a black jack system which minimizes the money loss. I wanted to try this and checked the casino list, and recognized that most bonusses on this page were not up to date, but I found a good looking bonus here: Old / Expired Link

20 deposit and 20 bonus, sound nice. Then I read the conditions:
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I have some questions to this:

1. Should I start with an deposit there or should I try to start at some casino where I can get a bonus without deposit and earn 20 there so I can try this bonus?

2.
I found this in the conditions:

No-risk wagers (such as wagering on red and black simultaneously) and transference of bonuses into another User account through opposite wagers will be considered as an attempt to abuse the promotional bonus and will result in the immediate closure of player's account.

Will they pay me out if I meet the minimum requirement with 400 Black games in which I use the system and bet 1 in each, or is this considered as no-risk wager?

3.
and this:

*The standard wagering level before you can withdraw the bonus is currently set at 10x (deposit + bonus), with the following exceptions:
For no-deposit bonuses (for example Refer-A-Friend), the wagering level is set to 25x bonus.
Players from China, Finland, Israel, Russia and United Kingdom on Blue Players Club level have a wagering requirement of 20x (deposit + bonus), regardless of offers received or displayed.

10x (deposit + bonus)
= 10x (20 +20) =400 right? Can this sum change when I win something or is just the first deposit + bonus value count?

4. Can u recommend using the strategy of easycoins.com, or is there some thing I need to know which makes this strategy worse than in theory?

5. Is there something else which is important and I need to know? ^^

thx for your answers!
I hope this forum sections was right for this question. If not, sry

 

[RobWin]

Nice links, thanks for those...I'll check them out..
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[RobWin]

Hmmm...I couldn't find the guide there at easycoins which explains how to make money with the bonuses Do you have a link for that guide page as well?
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[marioking24]

Hm,
I read through the page neasycoins.com
I didnt found a real strategy... just that index for BJ that is telling you what to do to lower the house edge, to a min of 0,475 % ( for BJ with French rules and 6 decks)
If you stay at 1 Euro bets, you can easily make the playthrough with a descent win...
Try the bonus at 888 or other Boss Media... you can use BJ there and the Bonus is over 20 Euro
If you only play BJ you can use your own money to start, because its very unlikely to loose it with Bj at 1 Euro wagers and a match bonus on top.

Just use a diffrent casino.. an accredited one

 

[P@u1]

thx for your answer

can u recommend any casino for this blackjack strategy? I dont want to start with too much money, about 20 would be nice. And its important that they really pay out^^

and this black jack strategy is not considered as no-risk wagers?

edit: link to the guide: easycoins.net/making-money-starting-guide.php
maybe u didnt find it bc u choose a different language, the page differs quite much in different languages
edit2: can u tell me 1 specific good casino where I can start/try this method? It must be with a nice bonus if i deposit 20 and the wager requirement should be fulfilled with black jack and they must pay out after that!

 

[marioking24]

I would suggest you play with Sunsets 25 Euro free welcome bonus... ( you have to deposit 25)... Blackjack and all your strategys are 100% allowed... The casino pays out!!!

 

[P@u1]

okay sunset sounds nice i think i will try it. But why cant i find the general terms and conditions or something like that at the page? all other pages i checked had this, but here I cant find. And do u know if I can play at sunset as a fun player (without deposition any money), so I can try it before I make my deposit?

 

[marioking24]

I never really play for "Fun" but I am sure you can do that with Sunset... its Boss Media!
For the welcome bonus you will have to playthrough bonus x20 ... means that you in your case would have to play 500 games of 1 Euro BJ.
Which, would give you an advantage of about 15 Euro... because after wagering 500 Euro, you will loose, about 10-15 in average, with a house advantage of 2%, if you choose other variances of BJ, you might get the house edge down to 0,6 % or even less. AND ALWAYS PLAY AFTER THE CHART

 

[vinylweatherman]

The system works, but is dangerous. This is an old method for beating bonuses, and many casinos view it as "bonus abuse". Sometimes, they will pull an "F U Clause" for such play, even if it is fully within the terms and conditions.

Depositing $20 for $20, and playing EXACTLY to the minimum WR of 400 $1 games is likely to make the casino view your play as "bonus abuse". This can result in non payment of winnings, and return of deposit only. If you FAIL with the system though, they wont tell you, nor will you receive your deposit back.
Accredited casinos here are expected to deal with this differently, and pay provided the play met the terms and conditions, but they CAN then exclude you from further offers, or even close your account, and not risk being said to have failed to meet the standards for accreditation.

Playing SLOTS with a welcome bonus is less risky in the sense that you are unlikely to be accused of "bonus abuse", and if you win, you should have no trouble in getting paid.

Starting off with a small $20 is a good idea, as if it all goes wrong, this is all you have risked to find that out.

888.com and the numerous skins running Cassava software are notorious for pulling the "F U Clause" on players who MEET the terms, but are deemed to have been "abusing" the bonuses. Often with 888.com, this has been targeted at Blackjack players who sign up, play ONLY Blackjack, and take profits as soon as WR is met. Usually, this happens when players do this again at another skin run by 888.com, and the first the player knows is that their winnings are confiscated, and they get some or all accounts closed.

Many casinos that have "too good to be true" bonuses give players problems when it comes to cashing out winnings from these bonuses.
Whatever advice you get here, first check the casino is NOT in the "Rogue Pit" here before you try any "system" of advantage play with a bonus.

 

[P@u1]

can u tell me which black jack variance is the best for this purpose and where i find a chart for this one? and where can i find detailes conditions of bonus and so on?
and would it change something if i wager 450 instead of 400 required for example?
edit: vinylweatherman : nice post! very helpful
edit2: will accredited casinos loose the accredited status if they don't pay due to bonus abuse?
edit3: @marioking24: did u try sunset yourself?
where can i read such reports, if sunset payed or not?

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: VWM has a great point. What it comes down to is you. That's right, YOU. You make a deposit, get a match bonus, meet play thru requirements, and have a Profit. WooooHoooo. Umm, now what?

Really, Now What?

Do you withdraw, and quit.
Do you play with the winnings?
Do you withdraw, and deposit someplace else, and try to do it again?

imhop: If you are going after a bonus, for the sole purpose of having as much of it left as possible, after playthru, then you should already know the answers to the questions above, before depositing.

PS: Players who actually end up with a positive cash flow from bonus offers, all have 3 things in common.
1. They know it takes money, to make money, and always get the max bonus allowed, via the largest deposit to bonus ratio allowed.
2. They will, "Exceed" playthru requirements.
3. And they are patient. They will play some other games after playthru is met, and they will withdraw LATER, and not 1 bet after playthru was met.
good luck to you.

 

[P@u1]

how much of this playthru requirements exeeding would you suggest?

And is not using a "F U Clause" against "bonus abusers" a requirement for accredited casinos, or do these casinos use this clause as well sometimes?

 

[Cyborg]

how much of this playthru requirements exeeding would you suggest?

Hi all,

I usually exceed about 10% playthru requirements. Do not know others opinion but it works for me

Is here anybody who plays in Casino.Net ? I read this thread but did not see any advice regarding that specific casino. I understand that BJ and VP is allowed in order to fullfill playthru requirements. Have you been paid when you played there ?
Thanx for response.

 

[vinylweatherman]

how much of this playthru requirements exeeding would you suggest?

And is not using a "F U Clause" against "bonus abusers" a requirement for accredited casinos, or do these casinos use this clause as well sometimes?

They CAN, but this risks their Accredited status, provided the player presents a valid PAB, or evidence to support an investigation by Max or CM into the casino's behaviour.

The criteria are forever evolving, and a recent addition is that a term must not be unfair. The wording of the "F U Clause" is usually unfair, because it does not contain enough information to allow the player to abide by what they shouldn't do.

Accredited casinos have to define what is not allowed, and what is. They cannot say nothing in the terms, and later deny winnings because of "irregular play", and remain accredited. This has lead to players here suggesting how "irregular play" might be defined to form part of the terms and conditions, and accredited casinos now feature definitions for "irregular play" on ALLOWED games. The two main terms are:-

1) No BIG bets, bets of more than x% of starting balance.
2) No "hedge" bets, such as both Red & Black on Roulette.

Accredited casinos can STILL ban players from FUTURE bonuses if they think the play has been "irregular", even though not outside the terms at the time. Some casinos bonus ban players merely for winning, rather than doing anything "wrong", such as "irregular play".

If any player is looking to play for profit based on welcome bonuses, it is important to know your CASINO GROUPS, otherwise you could end up getting into problems because you are hitting a string of casinos in the same group.
The days when you could fool them by hitting them all quickly over a weekend are over - they are wise to that one now