Casino Complaint Casilando - Closed account with £4800 withdrawal

[Kroffe]

If it's 2 accounts you're both activating the bonus and gambling it all on a game that is as close to 50/50 as you can get. So if you both deposit £1000 with a 100% bonus say and play roulette, providing it's not 0, one player is on £4000. The more you have to play with, the more you can wager on slots, and the more chance you have of getting a big win which means you can get the wagering requirements.

The reason I was able to beat casumos crazy wagering requirements was due to a huge win on monopoly live which didn't add to the wagering but meant i had way more money to play with to meet the wagering requirements. Guaranteeing a win on an opening bonus(or as close as you can) means you're shortening the odds.

Ah, wagering bonus money, then it makes sense.
=)

 

[Raman2202]

Ah, wagering bonus money, then it makes sense.
=)

I'm sure shit loads of people do it, providing they have a different address they can get away with it. Tracking an IP address on a game where loads of people are playing aint exactly easy,

 

[Raman2202]

BTW not encouraging anyone to do it i'm just saying that's the simplest way of cheating bonus wagering.

 

[cncas2123]

If it's 2 accounts you're both activating the bonus and gambling it all on a game that is as close to 50/50 as you can get. So if you both deposit £1000 with a 100% bonus say and play roulette, providing it's not 0, one player is on £4000. The more you have to play with, the more you can wager on slots, and the more chance you have of getting a big win which means you can get the wagering requirements.

The reason I was able to beat casumos crazy wagering requirements was due to a huge win on monopoly live which didn't add to the wagering but meant i had way more money to play with to meet the wagering requirements. Guaranteeing a win on an opening bonus(or as close as you can) means you're shortening the odds.

Would love to know which casinos give 100% bonus and have no max bet on the bonus?
Never known a single casino to let you bet more than a tenner when playing with bonus , never mind letting you bet a grand on roulette.

 

[colinsunderland]

Aren't white hat casinos notoriously the harshest for shutting down peoples accounts? Both me and my girlfriend got banned from white hat and was never given a reason. We opened a dream vegas account on the same day and both used the opening bonus but we didn't use it on the same game(i did monopoly and i think she did roulette). Anyway I think we deposited like £400 each in the end, I won sweet F.A and she won £547. So even if we were in cahoots we were down anyway and we never played the same game at the same time, we both played monopoly but we were never playing at the same time.

To add to that she was still living at her mums at the time so that was her address, mine was different so there was no connection there, used different cards etc. My only theory was that they had detected 2 players playing from the same IP address as she was spending most her time at mine so decided to ban the accounts.

I'm no expert on rules but unless you're playing the same game at the same time(thus increasing your odds) even if you play from the same IP it isn't breaking any rules. Anyway at least she got the money as they had already processed the withdrawal by the time we got banned. Never got a reason though and still banned.

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Only one promotion is awarded per UK account per UK player meaning one per family, household address, IP address, email address, telephone number, credit or debit card and/or e-payment account, or shared computer (e.g. school, public library or workplace). If you are found to be in breach of this clause, all winnings will be confiscated.

Pretty much every casino I've seen has that or similar in the bonus terms, if not the main casino terms.

It's extremely easy to find duplicate IP addresses, a manual search would take seconds, and presumably most casinos have it set up to auto detect them.

 

[Raman2202]

Would love to know which casinos give 100% bonus and have no max bet on the bonus?
Never known a single casino to let you bet more than a tenner when playing with bonus , never mind letting you bet a grand on roulette.

the £1000 was used a general term i believe their maximum was £400. The point stands regardless.

 

[Raman2202]

Would love to know which casinos give 100% bonus and have no max bet on the bonus?
Never known a single casino to let you bet more than a tenner when playing with bonus , never mind letting you bet a grand on roulette.

Also from my experience it's only on slots where they limit you to £5 bets. Live casino doesn't count towards the wagering usually so effectively it doesn't count. It may be different with other casinos but casimba let me do one £50 bet on live monopoly as only slots counted towards the wagering and it came out of my own money. They always use your money before the bonus funds.

 

[Raman2202]

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Only one promotion is awarded per UK account per UK player meaning one per family, household address, IP address, email address, telephone number, credit or debit card and/or e-payment account, or shared computer (e.g. school, public library or workplace). If you are found to be in breach of this clause, all winnings will be confiscated.

Pretty much every casino I've seen has that or similar in the bonus terms, if not the main casino terms.

It's extremely easy to find duplicate IP addresses, a manual search would take seconds, and presumably most casinos have it set up to auto detect them.

Even if IP addresses are easy to track I could easily have been in cahoots with a mate in a different household.

 

[dunover]

Against the spirit of the bonus term maybe they could use? Maybe abuse..

Not upto date with terms etc maybe @dunover could chip in?..

2 players in the same household/IP will often raise red flags, for both cross-funding and collusion.

 

[Slottery]

Things like spoken in this thread make bonus rules much more strict for all which is bit unfortunate for people who use bonuses like they are meant, instead of trying to find loopholes. Hope these kind of people don't exist much in real life as it just make things sucks for all.

Many things are easy to circumvent but idiots who do that, make other people to get their winnings confiscated, just because there need to be these rules for abusers. It's more than one person who have got winnings confiscated for same ip or other rule, they all can thank people who spend their time to find and use any kind of loopholes.

Also posting these kind of ideas to much read forum is maybe not best for players interest. Casino bonus terms just get longer and longer and more non sense what more people try to abuse these.

 

[Raman2202]

Things like spoken in this thread make bonus rules much more strict for all which is bit unfortunate for people who use bonuses like they are meant, instead of trying to find loopholes. Hope these kind of people don't exist much in real life as it just make things sucks for all.

Many things are easy to circumvent but idiots who do that, make other people to get their winnings confiscated, just because there need to be these rules for abusers. It's more than one person who have got winnings confiscated for same ip or other rule, they all can thank people who spend their time to find and use any kind of loopholes.

Also posting these kind of ideas to much read forum is maybe not best for players interest. Casino bonus terms just get longer and longer and more non sense what more people try to abuse these.

The thing was like I got it to an extent, maybe they had been scammed but at the end of the day it's not like anyone was up. I'm sure plenty of people collude on opening bonuses, this was at a time where new casinos seemed to be opening up left, right and centre so they may have noticed alot of people seemed to be winning big from the opening bonus.

I think to be fair if I had appealed the ban and pointed out that we never played the same game at the same time they may have reopened my account but not my girlfriends as a caution activity. As it was I just accepted it. And to be honest if you're going to collude with someone i'm pretty sure you'd be smart to not do it at the same casino company let alone not the exact same site! Loads of online casinos do lightning roulette for example, I doubt anyone would trace 32Red with Grand Ivy for example even if they were using the same IP address which most of these sites do. Not an expert but I think people only get caught if they get greedy and their betting pattern becomes too suspicous. And there is plenty of ways of covering your tracks.