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Brexit - whats the difference.....

time for daves crystal ball for the comin months and year,s,

biden will step down within his first year probably health and of course we'll have our first female president,

the democrats will believe this will make them beyond popular (it wont)

trump will run his son or daughter in 4yrs time and either one will win comfortably,

oh and brexit will be absolutely fine :thumbsup:
 
Kroffe said:
What about it is not nefarious?
Most all donations will not contribute one cent towards fighting election results.
Do you really think Trump, being riddled with debt as he is, will not use the money for himself?
What would be the reason to go around these restrictions on how the money can be used if it will all be used properly anyway.

And i never said anything about one side being good while the other is bad.
The "but theeey did" argument is really not a good one.
two wrongs don't make a right

"Unlike campaign funds, which have tight controls on how they can be spent, leadership PACs such as Save America carry few restrictions. Republicans and Democrats alike have drawn criticism for using them to pay family members and to fund luxury events in exotic locations. A 2018 report by the Campaign Legal Center and Issue One, two groups that advocate campaign finance reform, said some leadership PACs have been used as vehicles to “subsidize lavish lifestyles” of politicians “on their donors’ dimes.”

But that is probably not something Trump would do.
Its not like he has family members working in the white house or anything like that, right?
:rolleyes:

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Like I said and you quoted it yourself, both parties use the PAC money to fund luxurious lifestyles.

You're shocked there is nepotism and cronyism in the Washington DC beltway swamp. Really?

According to Forbes, Trump owes a billion+ and has 3.66 billion in assets. He's hardly broke.

AT&T owes $150 billion and may sell CNN.

Netflix is $12 billion in debt.

Disney is around $50 billion in debt.

 
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dpp00 said:
time for daves crystal ball for the comin months and year,s,

biden will step down within his first year probably health and of course we'll have our first female president,

the democrats will believe this will make them beyond popular (it wont)

trump will run his son or daughter in 4yrs time and either one will win comfortably,

oh and brexit will be absolutely fine :thumbsup:
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Yes, you are correct Kamala Harris will not win if she runs and will lose big.

Oh and unfortunately terrorist attacks will be back under a Biden Administration I predict.
 
slotplayer said:
Like I said and you quoted it yourself, both parties use the PAC money to fund luxurious lifestyles.

You're shocked there is nepotism and cronyism in the Washington DC beltway swamp. Really?

According to Forbes, Trump owes a billion+ and has 3.66 billion in assets. He's hardly broke.

AT&T owes $150 billion and may sell CNN.

Netflix is $12 billion in debt.

Disney is around $50 billion in debt.
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So we agree soliciting donations to fund a pac while making it sound like the money goes towards something else is bad.

And you are probably right about terrorist attacks, most of it domestic im guessing.
Alot of left&right extremists showing up these last 4 years for some weird reason.
 
Kroffe said:
And i never said anything about one side being good while the other is bad.
The "but theeey did" argument is really not a good one.
two wrongs don't make a right
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people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....so when they do it's unrealistic [in life and politics] to expect the accuser not to be called out for their own failings.

I see a story on biden's cancer charity has been reported, spent millions on salaries and nothing on research, with everything else regarding hunter and his business deals, the accusations of misconduct etc..is he really morally superior to trump or just a better actor benefitting from playing the political correctness game?
 
mack341 said:
people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....so when they do it's unrealistic [in life and politics] to expect the accuser not to be called out for their own failings.

I see a story on biden's cancer charity has been reported, spent millions on salaries and nothing on research, with everything else regarding hunter and his business deals, the accusations of misconduct etc..is he really morally superior to trump or just a better actor benefitting from playing the political correctness game?
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Have Biden been throwing stones?
All politicians are shit, but i still think Biden is the lesser evil when comparing the two.
Guess we will see how the next 4 years will pan out, if he is even close to as divisive as Trump has been they will probably have a civil war on their hands soon.
 
Kroffe said:
Have Biden been throwing stones?
All politicians are shit, but i still think Biden is the lesser evil when comparing the two.
Guess we will see how the next 4 years will pan out, if he is even close to as divisive as Trump has been they will probably have a civil war on their hands soon.
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I should have separated those, the glass houses phrase was really meant as a reply to your point.

But having said that not sure biden has ever mentioned anything regarding trump's financial maneuverings [this spelling looks wrong to my eyes :what: ]

Yeah things are looking bad there, but if people have different values and ideas of what is acceptable, it is to be expected.
 
Kroffe said:
So we agree soliciting donations to fund a pac while making it sound like the money goes towards something else is bad.

And you are probably right about terrorist attacks, most of it domestic im guessing.
Alot of left&right extremists showing up these last 4 years for some weird reason.
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The question is, is it deceptive?

I'd have to look at how pacs are set up and the donation emails from previous Republican and Democrat candidates office holders to see if they all like that. If they're not then yes, its deceptive, if they are then its SOP and just another hit piece to bias the reader.

There is a reason I post videos of the actual person speaking, its hard to dispute. The media has such an partisan agenda these days it can't be trusted and readers should take caution as to the authors intent before buying in.

I think Biden's foreign policy will cause a resurgence of terrorist attacks across the globe.
 
slotplayer said:
The question is, is it deceptive?

I'd have to look at how pacs are set up and the donation emails from previous Republican and Democrat candidates office holders to see if they all like that. If they're not then yes, its deceptive, if they are then its SOP and just another hit piece to bias the reader.

There is a reason I post videos of the actual person speaking, its hard to dispute. The media has such an partisan agenda these days it can't be trusted and readers should take caution as to the authors intent before buying in.

I think Biden's foreign policy will cause a resurgence of terrorist attacks across the globe.
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But thats the thing, it does not matter how other have solicited donations or how others have set up their pac.

Saying "we desperately need your donations to fight this election fraud" and have the absolute majority of donations contribute 0 to actually fightning the election results and instead go into a pac IS deceptive.
What does it matter what anybody else has done?

I have not read Bidens foreign policy. What about it do you think will incite terrorist acts?
 
Kroffe said:
But thats the thing, it does not matter how other have solicited donations or how others have set up their pac.

Saying "we desperately need your donations to fight this election fraud" and have the absolute majority of donations contribute 0 to actually fightning the election results and instead go into a pac IS deceptive.
What does it matter what anybody else has done?

I have not read Bidens foreign policy. What about it do you think will incite terrorist acts?
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Well in the end it maybe used to fight the election fraud.

Biden will reverse the US travel ban and may rejoin the Iran N deal. He may also lift sanctions on Iran. He may also stop the scheduled drawdown of US troops or may even increase the troop levels.
 
slotplayer said:
Well in the end it maybe used to fight the election fraud.

Biden will reverse the US travel ban and may rejoin the Iran N deal. He may also lift sanctions on Iran. He may also stop the scheduled drawdown of US troops or may even increase the troop levels.
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Is it just guesses apart from the travel ban reversal or is any that a part of his foreign policy?
Like i said i have not read it, but i saw alot of "may" in your post. =)
 
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Is it just guesses apart from the travel ban reversal or is any that a part of his foreign policy?
Like i said i have not read it, but i saw alot of "may" in your post. =)
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ah you'd need obama for that answer as his first executive decision when in power was to ban all Muslim's

entering america /oops i feel a halo slipping :thumbsup:
 
sufferinsilence said:
Wait, hold up... Wasn't Obama a muslim?

Anyway, all of this would be better suited in the NK thread :p
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No, Chopley told me it was lonley in here and that he wanted all political discussion, no matter what country was involved to be moved to this thread.

He said the NK thread was better suited for nature&sausage related discussions.
 
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Is it just guesses apart from the travel ban reversal or is any that a part of his foreign policy?
Like i said i have not read it, but i saw alot of "may" in your post. =)
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I was in a rush so I short changed the post.

Here is an article you can read to make up your own mind:

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slotplayer said:
I was in a rush so I short changed the post.

Here is an article you can read to make up your own mind:

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If i was going to read it i would probably read it from Bidens homepage and not some clearly biased magazine.
Didnt you preach just a few comments back about taking info from the source instead of biased news?
=)
 
slotplayer said:
I'm sorry I derailed this thread. I don't read the NK thread but I'm cool with getting this thread back on track.
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Don’t worry about it,

it’s usually just @ChopleyIOM arguing with @ChopleyIOM regarding how bad brexit will be...

someone needs to tell the fine gent that we got brexit done....
 
Kroffe said:
If i was going to read it i would probably read it from Bidens homepage and not some clearly biased magazine.
Didnt you preach just a few comments back about taking info from the source instead of biased news?
=)
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That is an excellent article.

By all means go to Biden's site, tell us what you find.
 
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slotplayer said:
I'm sorry I derailed this thread. I don't read the NK thread but I'm cool with getting this thread back on track.
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This is the most busy this thread has been in ages, and chopley's last brexit post pointedly mentioned/referenced Trump, so it was really a natural detour all things considered :)
 
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A crisis, remember, that we brought about ourselves.

It's like setting fire to your own house and then paying people to come round with buckets of water.

'Crisis', 'emergency', 'breakdown in supply chains', 'delays in the supply of foodstuffs, healthcare products and fuel'.

It'd be nice to be able to say that Brexit seemed like a good idea at the time, except that to a great many people of course - it didn't.

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mack341 said:
Get this over-promoted clown out pronto, trying to look distinguished and prime ministerial when he hasn't even combed his hair! Take his fake conservative cronies with him, and then appoint Lord Nige in his place, a much better fit for conservatives.
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Wow mack, I haven't seen you this riled up... ever. :laugh:
 
cncas2123 said:
Oh well, I suppose it could be worse, he could be suggesting that Doctors maybe try injecting people with disinfectant to combat covid.
Nobody in their right mind, nobody with sanity could ever suggest that, could they.....
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Those that took that as gospel deserved all they got if they carried it out.

also this is the brexit thread cowboy, NK is the other way so quietly mosy on by before i draw my 6 shooter...
 
slotplayer said:
Oops! Quite the Gaff.


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Assumed it would be on some Qanon account, but no, it was actually Trumps youtube account.
Pretty much the same i guess, not the first and probably not the last time he spreads Qanon-conspiracies.

Shame Republicans actually belive it tho.
Probably explains the sorry state Usa is currently in. =(

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