Breakaway Casino stealing my winnings

[tim5ny]

You got your deposit back - wtf? You are not out a cent of your own pocket.

Worthless reply? How much did you pay me to take the time out to chase these guys down to find out what happened? Zilch - nada.

I could have been playing ball with my kids instead of dealing with thankless players like you. See what happens if you PAB again.

I love that reply!

 

[Mousey]

Anything further on Reynier's problem?

 

[Reynier]

Got my deposit back in my Neteller.. No word on my winnings

 

[sdaddy]

Got my deposit back in my Neteller.. No word on my winnings

Did you PAB with Bryan?

 

[lojo]

I'd hate to see this go the way it looks after two weeks. As you said earlier, FRAUD is the only acceptable reason to use that fu when there is no bonus play or other T&C violations involved in the disputed winnings. So someone has committed fraud here, Reynier in the past, or breakaway in accepting clean funds and denying winnings (with what we know so far) if they stay the course. There may be something we don't know yet though...

 

[Reynier]

Yes I did do a PAB..

And no, I have never committed fraud so I have no idea as to why they just won't pay me my winnings.. It's absurd. Also I don't understand CM's point of view since I won everything with my own money.. If even this isn't allowed anymore then where is this business going?????

 

[lojo]

Not to worry Reynier, if you haven't violated terms or committed fraud, they will if they don't pay you, unless there is just something we don't know yet. They took your bet, 100% your own money, they will pay you. If not, it's black and white and rouge.

 

[sdaddy]

Yes I did do a PAB..

And no, I have never committed fraud so I have no idea as to why they just won't pay me my winnings.. It's absurd. Also I don't understand CM's point of view since I won everything with my own money.. If even this isn't allowed anymore then where is this business going?????

If there is no fraud, then my sense is you have a lot of support here for getting your winnings paid.

Keep us updated.

 

[Cargal]

The last I heard was that the two US player issues were being dealt with. I'm not sure about Reynier's.

They have not contaced me or responded to me in any way whatsoever. It is interesting that they have completely stopped responding to any of these complaints about non payment on this thread.

 

[lojo]

They have not contaced me or responded to me in any way whatsoever. It is interesting that they have completely stopped responding to any of these complaints about non payment on this thread.

And you contacted the rep through here and PaB? (one of the us players)

 

[gaydave]

I posted a PaB and contacted the rep through here. I've not been contacted in any way since the correspondence that I had posted here earlier in this topic.

 

[tree28]

Its Not easy winning but i try!!!

I get tired of Casinos telling me about none fulfilment of requirments ect, and telling me you can only withdraw 150 a week if you win, so i keep looking. I have found plum gaming can anynone PLEASE tell me what they are like?:notworthy:notworthy

 

[gaydave]

Is ANYONE getting their issues even looked at on this or are the "powers that be" just ignoring it and hoping it goes away? This is becoming more and more amazing to me...

 

[lojo]

Is ANYONE getting their issues even looked at on this or are the "powers that be" just ignoring it and hoping it goes away? This is becoming more and more amazing to me...

If you've been following the threads or seen the notice that PaB is currently closed, you'll know that he isn't accepting anymore until the backlog (including your case) are caught up and he has reformulated the rules for PaB to keep unnecessory complaints to a minimum. I can empathize with his plight and can only imagine the work involved in sorting this stuff... mix that with going to casinos with BS complaints that may dilute his ability to get fast and concise answers in the future, and I would probably just be thankful my issue was being dealt with if you know what I mean.

When this is resolved, it would be nice if you stuck around on the forum and contributed, too many people just use this awesome 'service' to never be heard from again. Also, if it is resolved in your favor you could show your gratitude here

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I think either way the CasinoMeister will be greatful.

Goodluck gaydave, hope it works out for you

 

[chuchu59]

Is ANYONE getting their issues even looked at on this or are the "powers that be" just ignoring it and hoping it goes away? This is becoming more and more amazing to me...

That wasnt exactly complimentary, Dave. Cool down and wait for a reply. The Meister handles these complaints on a voluntary basis and more often than not grinds out satisfactory results.

PS Well said, Lojo. Complainants should also show that it is not all 'take' and no 'give'.

 

[gaydave]

Lojo and chuchu, I certainly would be happy to give back and to stick around this forum and contribute. I will then wait "patiently" for some sort of reply to this craziness. It was not my intention to seem like I needed to cool down but upon reading my post again I certainly seemed uptight. Thanks for pointing that out and I apologize.
How long would it be assumed that a person would wait for any type of reply in most cases - or specifically this case? I get the feeling that I am not waiting for a reply from casinomeister because he already "looked into it" and his last reply was that he assumed that the casino was "looking into it" again but that is not the case or at least they do not appear to be.

 

[lojo]

Looking forward to your contributions to the discussions

 

[The Dude]

...reply in most cases - or specifically this case? I get the feeling that I am not waiting for a reply from casinomeister because he already "looked into it" and his last reply was that he assumed that the casino was "looking into it" again but that is not the case or at least they do not appear to be.

I'm making another inquiry now.

 

[gaydave]

I'm making another inquiry now.

appreciated greatly! :notworthy

 

[Reynier]

Still nothing about my winnings

 

[sdaddy]

Still nothing about my winnings

That's very disappointing. I take it the casino has not offered any evidence to you or Bryan that any fraud was committed by you, which would be the only justifiable reason for withholding your winnings?

 

[Reynier]

No nothing, the only argument that they have given is that I played with a bonus which wasn't allowed, and which we know I didn't use since I only used my own deposit..

I would still very much like to get my winnings..

 

[sdaddy]

No nothing, the only argument that they have given is that I played with a bonus which wasn't allowed, and which we know I didn't use since I only used my own deposit..

I would still very much like to get my winnings..

Alright, so what's the status of your PAB? Is Bryan still working on this?

 

[BBKPoker]

But if you choose to constantly complain on pubic message boards, what do you expect?

Hi Reynier. Would you care to explain why it is you use an ip-anonymizing/changing program?

 

[lojo]

Hi Reynier. Would you care to explain why it is you use an ip-anonymizing/changing program?

Are you saying he may be a fraudster? Please explain.

 

[BBKPoker]

Are you saying he may be a fraudster? Please explain.

Not necessarily, but it certainly warrants an explanation.

 

[sdaddy]

Hi Reynier. Would you care to explain why it is you use an ip-anonymizing/changing program?

Pardon my ignorance, but where/how did you learn of this?

 

[Reynier]

I'm curious as well because I don't use anything like that.. Why the hell would you think that????

 

[BBKPoker]

I'm curious as well because I don't use anything like that.. Why the hell would you think that????

You do, actually. Or at least you have it installed, because you have an Open VPN shortcut in your system tray (the icon that looks like two overlapping monitors). It's a pretty common user/developer tool for connecting to a vpn/changing your ip, primarily to Linux servers, although it would be interesting to know why you were using it.

 

[ugaboga]

You do, actually. Or at least you have it installed, because you have an Open VPN shortcut in your system tray (the icon that looks like two overlapping monitors). It's a pretty common user/developer tool for connecting to a vpn/changing your ip, primarily to Linux servers, although it would be interesting to know why you were using it.

How can you tell?

 

[SlotsWizard]

You do, actually. Or at least you have it installed, because you have an Open VPN shortcut in your system tray (the icon that looks like two overlapping monitors). It's a pretty common user/developer tool for connecting to a vpn/changing your ip, primarily to Linux servers, although it would be interesting to know why you were using it.

I nominate you for the "Hawk Eye Of The Year" award.

Although, is it possible that the program is necessary to emulate Windows XP on a Mac so that it can use the Mac's internet connection?

 

[Reynier]

No it's not neccesary, had some trouble with my internet connection trough Parallels allthough in a later update it got fixed. I do use it to connect to the university trough VPN.

I got to say nice find though haha.. But no, I don't mask my IP address...

 

[The Dude]

I'm curious as well because I don't use anything like that.. Why the hell would you think that????

Denial.

How can you tell?

His screenshot on the original post

No it's not neccesary, had some trouble with my internet connection trough Parallels allthough in a later update it got fixed. I do use it to connect to the university trough VPN.

I got to say nice find though haha.. But no, I don't mask my IP address...

Confesses.

You see, it pays to be upfront with everyone, because you will get caught out. But in all fairness, Reynier is in the NL like he claims, and all his IPs point there as well. I have no indicators that he's trying to pull a fast one here.

 

[Mr_Zoidberg]

Denial.


His screenshot on the original post


Confesses.

You see, it pays to be upfront with everyone, because you will get caught out. But in all fairness, Reynier is in the NL like he claims, and all his IPs point there as well. I have no indicators that he's trying to pull a fast one here.

Brian, do you actualy know what vpn connections are used for?
It is mostly used to connect to coorperate lan networks(eg. for working at home, connecting to the university library etc.).

OpenVPN is a full-featured SSL VPN solution which can accomodate a wide range of configurations, including remote access, site-to-site VPNs, WiFi security, and enterprise-scale remote access solutions with load balancing, failover, and fine-grained access-controls

So if you think that openvpn is some sort of anonymizer software you are wrong...

 

[lojo]

This traffic is encrypted using either a static key or a public/private key pair (your choice at setup, the latter is more secure), and this virtual "pipe" is used to send all of your traffic. This would be the eqivilent of taking a fully addressed and stamped envelope ready to go, and then putting that in another fully address and stamped envelope, then sending it out. No one would be able to see the header of the enclosed envelope. So not only is the data unknown, but so is the intent of the data (target ip and port, type of packet, etc).

This couldn't be used to mask sending ip and port, etc.?

 

[BBKPoker]

Brian, do you actualy know what vpn connections are used for?
It is mostly used to connect to coorperate lan networks(eg. for working at home, connecting to the university library etc.).


So if you think that openvpn is some sort of anonymizer software you are wrong...

I suppose IP-masking would be better to have said than anonymizing.

Open VPN isn't anonymous and not the same as anonymous-proxy servers at all (although I assume it would support anonymous proxy servers if you googled ones that worked with them). However, I could very easily rent a server in the Netherlands and it would be very easy to use Open VPN to remotely connect there or anywhere, route my connection through my remotely hosted server, and end up with a NL IP on my desktop computer. I've met a few US poker players who used to do this when Party started disallowing US customers so they could continue to play on their site (except they routed through Canadian or UK servers rather than NL ones, primarily).

Just because VPNs are *generally* used for legitimate means, doesn't mean they can't easily be used to defraud a casino or poker room by masking your internet conncction.

I'm not saying you are or aren't fraudulent, but Open VPN is not exactly a common utility to have installed on your computer, and not being up front about it, and your initial denial make you seem fishy. Then again, Bryan has privy to more of your details than I do, so I'm sure he has a better sense of things than I do.

 

[BBKPoker]

I nominate you for the "Hawk Eye Of The Year" award.

Although, is it possible that the program is necessary to emulate Windows XP on a Mac so that it can use the Mac's internet connection?

It wouldn't be, no, although I can see how one would intuit that.

 

[gaydave]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casinomeister
I'm making another inquiry now.

appreciated greatly!

Still absolutely no contact or anything from them at all. They are simply unbeleivable and I cant believe that they are in business at all.

 

[The Dude]

I was told only a couple of hours ago that they are contacting you. Please give us a status report when you hear of something.

 

[Reynier]

I haven't heard a thing so I guess I'm gonna call them, I'll give an update.

Or is this about "GayDave's" case?

 

[gaydave]

If Casinomeister's reply was to me then I can say that there has been no attempt to Email, call, PM, Write, send smoke signals, telepathy.... me in any way. So, I am still waiting for these guys to pay up and contact me.

 

[The Dude]

If Casinomeister's reply was to me then I can say that there has been no attempt to Email, call, PM, Write, send smoke signals, telepathy.... me in any way. So, I am still waiting for these guys to pay up and contact me.

No smoke signal? Damn! They need to buy a better bong

jk

They were supposed to have contacted you lastweek to deal with this...

 

[Mousey]

And the OP?.... Reynier? Any update there?

 

[Reynier]

No I called them and they still gave me the same shit that I played with a bonus I shouldn't have used...

 

[Reynier]

Got a PM from represenative of the SciFi Group offering me a bonus to work this out once and for all. But I don't really feel like accepting a bonus and playing there again since my winnings weren't and aren't being paid from the last time I won...

 

[chuchu59]

Reynier,

Maybe you should take the bonus. Accepting it does not in any way put you in the wrong but this is probably the best outcome that can be achieved under the circumstances. However, I would say that the amount of the bonus should be the sum that you intended to cash out, nothing less at say 10X WRs. It makes things more even and you have the potential in making a huge cashout.

 

[gaydave]

Hey Hey!

They actually did contact me via Email! So far so good. They have not said for sure that they would pay me but it looks promising. I will surely report back when/if anything happens here!
Thank you for using your influence here Bryan.

 

[gaydave]

Hey Hey!

They actually did contact me via Email! So far so good. They have not said for sure that they would pay me but it looks promising. I will surely report back when/if anything happens here!
Thank you for using your influence here Bryan.

meh, Nothing since the first contacts regarding this. They have not told me yet if they are going to pay me or how and have not yet contacted me back since I last reported. I have not given up on them though, but I am reporting how this goes for everyone.

 

[gaydave]

HEY HEY!!!

Break Away casino has in fact paid me the money owed!!! They had actually paid me about a month ago but I have been on extended Holliday so I am just getting to posting the update now. I want to thank all involved and also thank Break away for finally doing the right thing! I am elated over this - not for the money's sake as it was a small amount but because I feel like sometimes in the industry the correct thing may still happen and I was losing my faith.
Thanks to all involved and sorry that I did not post earlier about the correct treatment given to me.

YES!

 

[RobWin]

You do, actually. Or at least you have it installed, because you have an Open VPN shortcut in your system tray (the icon that looks like two overlapping monitors).

So you are saying that the Icon that you can also see on my computer screen that I show in my two screenshots shown below represent this so called "Open VPN" which I can use to change my IP Address, and it is just simply not showing my "Local Area Connection" Status ?

In the second screen shot the info window pops up when I float my mouse pointer over the double monitor icon...

It's a pretty common user/developer tool for connecting to a vpn/changing your ip, primarily to Linux servers, although it would be interesting to know why you were using it.

I guess you could also ask me the same thing then...huh ?