Bonus vs Non-Bonus

[4 of a kind]

Ive often wondered what the online casino landscape would look like if there were no bonuses offered. I mean all bonuses of all types. This would eliminate all the endless bullshit T&Cs related to bonuses, all the different good and ridicules play through requirements and all the endless other headaches and complaints that come with bonus issues. No doubt Max would be able to get plenty of time off.

What would it look like if online casinos ran the business like the first class land based casinos did? (And I dont mean like some broken down shoe casino in the middle of no where) What would casinomiesters forum look like if in fact this were the case? How many members would actually be here? In the last few months 75% of the posts here are usually related to some form of a bonus issue and only to mention a few, (play through sucks, offered a single dollar nd bonus, bonus banned, played wrong game lost cash out opportunity, and on and on and on and on and on.. )

Bonuses and play through requirements are designed for the online casino to lure the player to the slot machines where players have the least amount of success, and the house edge is the greatest. Although there are many screen shots of big slot winners, when compared to the millions of people playing slots, most here should realize their actual odds of being one of these lucky winners. These winners are taking most of the players RTP pool leaving most hung out to dry. If you even are allowed to play video poker, blackjack, or baccarat, with one of these bonuses reducing the house edge to the minimum, you would have to be prepared to add 10 times more to the already ridicules play through. Hmmmmm I wonder why?

Tradition casino mentioned in a post here how they added over 325% more when compared to actual cash deposits with bonuses. Was this statement a result of trying to show how generous the site is, or how stupid the players must be? They certainly didnt get into the business to give money away.

Why cant an online casino just be run for what it really is, a casino? I understand perks are an important part of the business online just like live. Perks are made available with the lure of retaining steady and loyal customers, since loyal and steady customers are a loyal and steady source of income. Perks also come from the massive profitable business running a casino comes with. These perks offered to players comes off the top and are usually designed for loyal players, which in turn will generate more income for them.

I would love to play at online casinos with no bonuses available, where your loyalty earns you cash back to do what you please with it. Maybe then forums like this would rid 75% of the bullshit and just concentrate on the more important things. Good online sites would then be decided just on who offers the best games and services.

I know bonus hunters are going to rip me a new butt hole here, and maybe the bonus game is the only way online casinos can make money. I would tend to lean towards the bonus game being the only way online casinos can really do it. Maybe they realized long ago there not going to get the majority of the serious loyal players, just because of the whole cyberspace distrust that comes with being online. Over time they must have realized the real players with bigger pockets prefer the real thing. Risking serious money somewhere in a third world government with no laws probably isn't appealing to this type of player.

I would assume at this time after a decade of research, online casinos have decided that exploiting the small depositors with bonuses is the only way to go.

 

[refre]

Thats a great post 4 of a kind!

If it weren't for bonuses, this industry would probably look a lot different.
We would have fewer casinos, as people wouldn't look for new places for good sign-ups only.
What would set casinos apart would be customer service, speed of cashouts, reputation and so, not who could throw the most ridiculous bonus out there.

We would only need one MG, one RTG, one Rival, one Playtech and so on... and maybe one doing their own software

I have a feeling many of us would end up with the same list


Freddy

 

[Stovetopp]

What would it look like if online casinos ran the business like the first class land based casinos did? (And I dont mean like some broken down shoe casino in the middle of no where) What would casinomiesters forum look like if in fact this were the case? How many members would actually be here? In the last few months 75% of the posts here are usually related to some form of a bonus issue and only to mention a few, (play through sucks, offered a single dollar nd bonus, bonus banned, played wrong game lost cash out opportunity, and on and on and on and on and on.. )

Bonuses and play through requirements are designed for the online casino to lure the player to the slot machines where players have the least amount of success, and the house edge is the greatest. Although there are many screen shots of big slot winners, when compared to the millions of people playing slots, most here should realize their actual odds of being one of these lucky winners. These winners are taking most of the players RTP pool leaving most hung out to dry. If you even are allowed to play video poker, blackjack, or baccarat, with one of these bonuses reducing the house edge to the minimum, you would have to be prepared to add 10 times more to the already ridicules play through. Hmmmmm I wonder why?

Tradition casino mentioned in a post here how they added over 325% more when compared to actual cash deposits with bonuses. Was this statement a result of trying to show how generous the site is, or how stupid the players must be? They certainly didnt get into the business to give money away.

Why cant an online casino just be run for what it really is, a casino? I understand perks are an important part of the business online just like live. Perks are made available with the lure of retaining steady and loyal customers, since loyal and steady customers are a loyal and steady source of income. Perks also come from the massive profitable business running a casino comes with. These perks offered to players comes off the top and are usually designed for loyal players, which in turn will generate more income for them.

I would love to play at online casinos with no bonuses available, where your loyalty earns you cash back to do what you please with it. Maybe then forums like this would rid 75% of the bullshit and just concentrate on the more important things. Good online sites would then be decided just on who offers the best games and services.


I would assume at this time after a decade of research, online casinos have decided that exploiting the small depositors with bonuses is the only way to go.

This is exactly why I am thinking of going back to BODOG exclusively..Prior to this UIGEA BS I polayed exclusively at BODOG and Intercasino....At BODOG , I played vp only and sports betting There was no BS about bonus and T&C. Ocassionally I would open my account and see a "cash back " in my account.I had stopped playing there because of the difficulty in getting paid
Then I got sucked in to these welcome bonuses and 100% deposit bonus etc
This such a lot of bull Further more I have never played slots in all mgty life and still have yet to put a dime in a B&M casino Now I play slots to try and win this elusive Random Jackpot Unfortunately I did get one for 9k which makes matters worse LOL
Now I am dying for some action but refuse to play online anymore..I will wait out the superbowl out and then take the one hour drive to A B&M where I can play 9-7-5 dble bonus to my hearts content and and get CASH immediately were I to win anything big

 

[uungy]

You are right, but seem to have lost the idea of what a player is.

We play for entertainment, and while playing in a B&M has its incentive, as one casino put it to me "we cant offer you a drink and all the glamour, but we can offer you ......", so its there to bring us back, and keep us playing. So at the end of the day, the bonuses are not for the players advantage, they are for the casinos, so that we play more (NOT so that they can keep funds because if silly terms)

Secondly, its a simple calculation for me. If I have $1k 1K $1K or whatever to deposit, I will choose the casino that gives me the longest play, or an incentive why I should choose them! So once again its for the casinos benefit not ours.

Gambling is for that "buzzy feeling" and the "chance of winning", so if the terms are rediculous, you dont (well I dont anyway) get the buzz when you deposit $1K, and can only cashout $1010 after playing for 25 hours straight.

In short, the casinos should understand that a promotion is for their benefit, but we have to feel entertained, and want to choose to play there.

 

[DaveSold99]

Ive often wondered what the online casino landscape would look like if there were no bonuses offered.

I love the way that sounds.... like a futuristic scene from a movie

I would love to play at online casinos with no bonuses available, where your loyalty earns you cash back to do what you please with it.

I coudln't agree more. I feel cashbacks and free chips should be given out as tokens of appreciation.

 

[SlotMonster]

Well, from my point of view, at the certain period of time it's almost impossible for online casino to stay in business without giving bonuses away.
Compared with land based casinos where if you don't like this casino, you will have at least grab your a$$ and try to find another casino to play at, and this casino may be miles away from that you was playing now, with online casinos the situation is different: few clicks - and you logged out of one casino and logged in into another. And sometimes this is the real issue. Online casinos must do their best to lure players, who can easily visit 10 casinos every night.
By the way, land based casinos also giving bonuses to their players: free accomodation, free drinks, special offers for high-rollers etc. And so far bonuses and promotions - the best known method to make players keep visiting certain online or land based casino. And IMO the situation won't change until someone manage to invent better method.
All you could do with it is just not to take bonuses at ANY online casino.

 

[4 of a kind]

Online casinos must do their best to lure players, who can easily visit 10 casinos every night.

Exactly my point. If online casinos are going after small depositors looking for low end bonuses with ridicules play through's that give the house even a larger edge, that's exactly what they'll get. Obviously it must be working well for them.

I only could imagine how many random jackpots were hit by bonus players with a max cash out. That player gets his max cash out and the casino logs into the books player paid in full. In this case the casino is the one that actually hits the random not the player. I know someones gonna come on here and say they put the balance back. So in advance I'd like to add go blow that smoke up someone else's ass.

Like I said in my op, this bonus crap would be no where to be found if it were beneficial for the player. This is the only way they can get players that could only afford small deposits, and are only giving the player false hopes when looking at an imaginary decent starting bankroll before taking play through into consideration. This bonus program has to be working for their benefit. It's clearly obvious this is what their focus is on.

On a no bonus platform online casinos would be forced to offer good games and service, along with finding different ways like real cash backs for loyal players, or something like online merchant purchases for points, etc...

I also believe the real good casinos that are already well known here wouldn't have any problems with this type of platform. Although they might not be in such a hurry to give up the bonus cash cow program.

I certainly don't go to 10 different casinos when in A.C. or Vegas. If I'm having a bad night I may consider walking next door. If my luck stays bad maybe it's time for bed and another day. The same goes for online unless of course I was a bonus ho.

This no bonus platform would also weed out rogues that still get away with being rogue since they constantly are tricking rookie players to their sites with fantasy bonuses.

 

[zippedup]

I am a craps player and bonuses generally(but not always) are skewed toward games where the house advantage is largest---slots.

In my opinion taking a bonus vs. not taking one really depends on the games a player likes to play. If you are a slots only player(god help your check book) a bonus would seem to make sense. If you tend toward low house advantage games like craps or euro-roulette it makes little sense.

I have seen many players take a bonus to prop up losses. I E Player looses 100 and adds 100 getting a 100 in bonus--a net gain of 100 in his gambling pot. Seems like he is ahead except that he has to meet play thru requirements. This is a real loser because the longer he plays the longer the house advantage works against him.

 

[SlotMonster]

Play at online casinos with "No House Edge" games

 

[4 of a kind]

Play at online casinos with "No House Edge" games

Of course this will never exist, and your response appears to have some tone to it.

After playing over a decade online, playing the right video poker games with perfect play exposed the lowest house edge. (never double or nothing after a win even if it's a break even hand) Video poker was even better then perfect play BJ online.

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Great post. I will take it a bit further. The Online Casino is using affiliates, e mails, banners, u tube, search engine listing, and so on. They ALL have the same goal. To get as many people as possible that come in contact with you of the mentioned advertising methods, to end up at the home page of their Casino. The Bonus is the bait.

However, here is where it becomes a bit different. The Casino then has to decide, "OK, He is here, has a good chunk of money, what do we want to do with him?
1. Explain everything to him clearly, and upfront, in a manner that a 3yr old could understand, so he will trust us, and re deposit if he loses.
2. Have T&C that the best lawyer in the world would not understand, who cares if he trust us or not, as a person who has lost will most likely not re deposit anyway, no matter how nice you are.
and policys that fall somewhere inbetween.

The advertising only gets a player to the Casino. Just like a real Casino offering you a free room does. The Bonus is what gets the player to actually deposit money into the casino. This gives them an advantage over their land based counterparts, as how many times have you ever been given anything up front in a real Casino to sit down at a slot machine, or table game? Comp points are earned while playing, not given in advance.

T&C anywhere are usually ignored by most people. They hardly ever come into play as far as a player is concerned, until his, "Assumption" turned out not to be true. Personaly i think that T&C need to be in 2 parts. General, and bonus releated. You have to actually click on a box for each of them, "I have read an understand the T&C", and accept them before you are allowed to download the software, or make a deposit.

ps; In a real Casino, you can be given a< "Match Play" coupon. This is usually $5, and can be used to make any, "even money bet". But what happens if a player tried to make a different bet? Instead of putting the coupon on red or black at the Roulette Table, he instead put it on the number 17? What Happens? Does the dealer just ignore it, and spins the wheel anyway? What if the ball lands on the #17 does he pay the player $175, or does he just remove the coupon and tells the player it was an illegal bet, and thus is void?

He does neither of them. When the illegal bet, "violating the T&C of the even money bet coupon" is made, they give the coupon back to the player and tell him he can only make a outside even money bet. They tell him this, even though it is written on the coupon itself...........

Maybe, On line Casinos could come up with a way to do this? Make it impossible to use a bonus, and be able to bet on a restricted game with. "Error, this bet is not allowed with bonus money, please choose another game", or something like that.

 

[takethemoney]

Big bonuses give me a bigger bankroll so I bet bigger. As a result I've had some great hits that I would never have had, had I bet smaller like there were no bonus.

 

[SlotMonster]

Of course this will never exist, and your response appears to have some tone to it.

These casinos DO exist, and I could easily point at leat two: BetFair and BetVoyager.

 

[4 of a kind]

These casinos DO exist, and I could easily point at leat two: BetFair and BetVoyager.

I stand corrected. Thank You

 

[De Beuker]

I think most ppl here tend to agree that bonuses are bad for a player and good for the casino.
Fools gold, right?
Nice to lure in slotsplayers with extra playtime but making it almost impossible to cashout.
Especially RTG's non-cashable ones. Those are the worst.
Right, or not?

BUT, why are these casino's so paranoid when it comes to handing them out if it benefits the casino?
Why am I banned from ClubWorlds lovely noncashable slotsbonuses after beating one?
Why has the Rushmore Group banned all Neteller and Moneybookers depositers from bonuses?
Why did the ClubWorld rep. here respond to questions with the answer that "banned players will probably be unhappy now because they miss out on a part of their income"?
(cannot find the thread right now, but I will.)

I've asked this question before, and I'm gonna ask it again:
How can anyone possibly ABUSE a NON-CASHABLE SLOTS-ONLY bonus??

Given this, and the recent stunt C33 pulled by banning a winning slotsplayer, and it makes me believe that RTG slots are in fact FAR from truly random.

 

[4 of a kind]

BUT, why are these casino's so paranoid when it comes to handing them out if it benefits the casino?

Most casinos usually now have a max deposit when taking a bonus. They want the small depositor using bonuses not the big depositor. If someone were to deposit 1k and get 2k bonus, his starting bankroll should buy him enough time to catch something big enough to cover play through and cash out, in most cases. Not guaranteed of course but way better odds, putting the casino at more risk of a win. Of course the player has the risk of losing more, but their research probably confirms otherwise.

Why am I banned from ClubWorlds lovely noncashable slotsbonuses after beating one?

More then likely they don't want players like Kasino King who alleges to beat casinos constantly with bonuses. Why don't they ban KK ? Of all the players I read about here, KK should have been banned from every casino he plays at by now, if in fact he is cleaning their pipes as we read he is. Maybe he's an exception because he's an affiliate and good for new customers. Besides his cash outs although allege to be consistent for years are not big.

In addition when it comes to RTG, I believe by handing out tons of bonuses to small depositors, and max cash outs, their is a better chance that one of these people will hit the Random Jackpots. The casino pays the max cash out to customer and pockets the rest, which in turn would off set the bonus players that do occasionally cash out, putting the casinos way ahead with this program.

I don't care what anyone wants to say here, but no way are the additional funds from a max cash out bonus RJ win, ever put back into the pool. Tons of players here have seen RJ's hit and reset to 1k. Never once did a Jackpot that was at lets say 6k ever reset to 5,700 cause a player could only cash out 300.00. I would guess that 95% of players use bonuses, and someone by now would be able to testify seeing at least one RJ reset higher then 1k.

No doubt the bonus player for online casinos is their bread and butter. Like I said before, they had a decade to research what is the best way to profit, and no doubt this is the way.

In addition casino33's move to ban a player that was beating them without bonuses is even more evidence online casinos don't want cold cash depositors online. This type of player might be able to get lucky and they can't stop the luck without max cash outs in place. They want all the money and some.

 

[aldian]

Here is an alternative bonus model:

First we start with the signup bonus:

People are attracted into gambling not because their aim is to lose money but because of the illusion that it is possible to win a lot of cash pretty quickly. Under the current model the SUBs are mainly designed to keep the deposits and therefore this illusion gets trashed from the very beginning. The majority of people new to gambling who had the disfortune to lose their deposit via the so called "bonus" as their first experience (and probably get a lot of hassle in the chat because of some misunderstood terms) will actually be not very eager to continue to play and just leave. Therefore the essential thing here is to deliver what is promised which is that gambling is about getting rich without any effort overnight and create a first positive experience by shifting the odds to win heavily towards the gambler.

This is done by a cash handout and is called an investment.

When designing a SUB it is useful to have the bigger picture in mind and considering that even if a promise (the advertisement) like 400% bonus up to $5000 may draw some gamblers it never can be kept and the result will be as said a gambler that is p*ssed on because he will in the vast majority of cases will not see the money that is promised but just loses his deposit and politicians who are watching this from a distance and believe that the gambling industry gives away money like crazy to turn a lot of people into gambling addicts. This is one of the many reasons that make goverment crackdowns possible (acceptable to the general public) then.

So let say the number that is given to the gambler should be more like up to 200 or so. Depending on the finance power of a casino it could be a 100%, 200%, 300%...whatever bonus but it is essential that the gambler is willing to risk some of his money because giving out no deposit bonuses causes that the vast, vast majority of people who takes them just grabs the money and run and creates the attitude amongst the gamblers that the bonus money should be "free".

The wagering requierment is needed to make sure that the gambler plays a little and tries out the games and especially that he cashes out before he as able to lose any money because most people will withdraw when they finished the WR and therefore should be never be more than 1-10 * of the bonus money amount given. It goes without saying that it should be cashable, all games allowed and weighted equally, no max. cash outs etc. with no T&Cs at all if possible because this is what a person that never touched gambling before understands as a bonus.

The problem in this arrangement is that together with the bonus the bonus hunter/gnome is created and given conditions like that it of course couldn't be kept because an army of gnomes and bonus w*ores would be trashing the concept day and night.

Therefore it is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL that a shared database is created where every online casino on earth has access to quickly exchange any sort of useful information because this would kill off gnoming (it can be more than useful for a number of other reasons too like spotting problem gamblers by reporting the losses, exchanging ID information - it's enough when a gambler gets identified one time and not 400 times in every single casino - , real time statistics reporting games results targeted towards general public to reassure games fairness etc. not just this one). The more mature indutries like banks, insurance companies etc. have all such a thing in place because they couldn't do without and this is the case here too...

Every gambler who takes a bonus then is registered in this database and if he took more then let say 4-5 in a short space of time it is obvious that you deal with a bonus hunter and gets flagged and bonus banned everywhere. The reason for this little inefficiancy of a couple of SUBs that still can go to the bonus hunters is that a person that is new to gambling is likely to try out a couple of casinos and this should be done as hassle free as possible because it will pay off later on.

Since only a couple of SUBs could be made on an account it would be impossible for the gnomes and "professionals" to make any serious money on the SUBs and knock them out. The concept could be kept stable this way because only the intended target audience - gamblers from the general public - would be reached this way and pay for it later on. With the help of the database it should be possible to quickly catagorize who is who and deal with the problem of the SUB bonus hunters once and for all.

It may be effective for psychological reasons that a gambler is able to claim this kind of bonus with with his next 1-2 deposits because this would harden the illusion of easy, free money and in the vast majority of cases it will be paid back anyway...

Then it's time to take care about the reloads:

If you take a look at any B&M establishment you'll find out that people are actually playing there and the casinos run mostly profitable and it is somehow possible without the bonus concept.

The current bonus scheme setup has a serious design flaw because there are like 500 or so casinos on earth and every single one of them offers a signup bonus to entice customers. This way online gambling become bonus fixated because a gambler will always find a new casino (or an old one with a lot of reloads) that will offer him a bonus and will somehow find the notion strange to deposit without a bonus attached to it. This can never ever be profitable in the long run and due to a number of reasons the bonuses have been turned to crap anyway and are mainly used to keep the deposits. Considering the gambler's mindset above the end result is that the current scheme is just causing a lot of hassle and is going nowhere.

Given the arrangement described in my posting above your run of the mill gambler will probably try out a couple of casinos and nearly always make a positive experience because the odd are heavily shifted in his favour because of the SUB. It is better to repeat this kind of experience a couple of times and not go for a rule like one gambler - one sub in a given amount of time because this will cementate the illusion that gambling is all about free easy money. I suspect the majority of people will try to take one bonus after another and therefore the game should be over after a couple of bonuses taken for a while with a discreet hint that you've already claimed X and that should be enough.

Now we have someone that was always willing to risk his OWN MONEY and made a positive experience nearly every time doing that therefore it is very likely that a deposit will follow without any bonus attached to it.

In case the gambler wins again and makes a withdrawal it is more than likely that the next deposit will follow so if a gambler is on a winning streak there is no need for any bonuses at all to attract deposits.

Now let's assume the next deposit is 200 and the gambler loses it all to the casino. It's clear that the gambler is now !!!!ed on because of the loss and maybe starts to think that it should be better to quit gambling.

But a promotion like that appears now in the cashier 50-100, all games allowed, next to no T&Cs etc. and the most important point: NO WAGERING REQUIERMENT attached to it. The reason for that is that if you set a WR the gambler has a definite target when to withdraw but if you don't give him any he'll usually just play on until everything is lost. The only drawback is that a next deposit has to follow that has the same amount like the promotion. Despite being on a losing streak when given a promotion like that it's hard to say no so it's very likely that the next deposit will follow.

What's interesting here is that this kind of promotion is not financed by the casino but by the losses that have been previously made by the gambler.

Here is a little excurse how gambling works:

"True enough BorisR, "The idea of a casino is to make money." However, if you loosen up the slots, all that really happens is that folks end-up playing longer, in fact most will put all the money back into the slots. The same thing holds true for a lot of the games in Las Vegas. Looser odds and looser slots = more playing time, happy customers and bigger profits NOT casino's losing money. That's what the computer programs fail to factor in. I could increase any casino's take by 10% if they would listen, BUT first you have to have a bunch of degrees before they will listen to you. I know a few old cardroom manangers/owners in California with 9th grade educations and their casino's are booming. Why? Beacuse they know it's a people business not a computer-program-bean counting business."

"People like to actually win something when they play the slots, and not have to wait 2 hours sitting at a machine to do so. If a machine doesn't have a trend of "hitting" after about 10-15 spins I'm looking for another bank of machines, but if all the machines are tight, what's the point??? That's just a waste of time and money, which is why I'm going to go less and less to the tribal casinos and focus on locals casinos in Vegas 2-4 times a year"

"I say - bring back the OLD SCHOOL -
Let players PLAY! Take their money - sure - But let them have 40 hours of insane fun before you TAKE IT ALL...
Then - Give them a STEAK mean - fill their belly for the long ride home.
Go back to the BENNY BINNION basics..
They will come back!"


So the idea behind the concept is give some of the losses back that the gambler has made as a bonus to attract the next deposit and effectively increase the play time because the vast majority of "real" gamblers will keep on playing until they gamble it away anyway.


So the best use of bonuses is probably to use them only when a gambler is on a losing streak to make sure that despite bad luck the gambler doesn't quit but keeps on depositing.


The crucial difference to everything(monthlies, reloads, cashbacks...) that is now on the scene is that this kind of bonus is not one size for all but awarded individually and as said it is only given when previously losses have been made so effectively "financed" by the gambler themselves.


The concept could be applied not only for the casinos but also for any other form of gambling because it's based around the psychology of a gambler.


Should it ever become implemented there is of course no need to go full force into it but slowly work out which kind of "bonus patterns" might work best.



This has some interesting implications for the advantage play community:


Despite based on losses it is probably possible to advantage play it in one form or another, but:


- The advantage player has no clue at all if he will get anyting because it's based on individual playing pattern and is left completely out in the dark.


- The techniques that are on the websites stop to work and under this concept it's more like finding out how a casino behaves.

- To do this you would have to constantly lose your own money so it's not a very attractive proposition for the vast majority of people.

- And finally: given the database suggested in my first posting if someone is flagged by 3-4 casinos as advantage player he could be bonus banned throughout the industry and the case is done.

So i believe this would be the end of the advantage play/gnome community.

Should i missed something in the entire concept here please let me know.

Thank you for reading.

(nro)

 

[Simmo!]

This is why i like the Wagerworks bonus model. It gets credited AFTER you have completed WR on the deposit. This means you can cashout at any time - a restriction that means I rarely if ever take a signup bonus.

 

[cheetahwind]

Well the only reason why I take the bonus is to make my $25 to $40 deposits seem larger. That way I can play a bit more to have that "chance" to hit a random. I just hate the idea that you have this random shindig at oh 6 to 8k but really won't give you a chance in hell unless if your making the "bet". Now I won't be making the $2 to $5 bets required to probably make this go out faster, but it at least allows me to play $0.40 to $1 which in mind helps create that better chance.
Now I'm not saying that's always a sure thing, but compared some of the playtime I've been getting lately. It at least helps.
I keep chasing that dream that someday I'll see those fireworks, but for now I'll stand content with my nice $200+ cashouts that I see about once a month.
I guess the benefit to me of actually not using a coupon is so I can play black or something similar, but as far I see. Blackjack online is even worse than in the casino. Video Poker I never fully understood. Well then of course as we all know any of the pokers being 3 card, 7 card, texas holdem, etc, etc. Are all for the house anyways. So I rarely play those which surprisingly some of these are included in the bonuses because of the horrible house to them.
Otherwise I just use coupons because it helps my enjoyment a bit more. Now if I made decent deposits of oh say $50 or more on frequently occasion. I don't think my coupon use would be so high, because then in my mind I'd have enough money to last a bit and hopefully hit something.
That's just my two cents though.

 

[KasinoKing]

More then likely they don't want players like Kasino King who alleges to beat casinos constantly with bonuses. Why don't they ban KK ? Of all the players I read about here, KK should have been banned from every casino he plays at by now, if in fact he is cleaning their pipes as we read he is. Maybe he's an exception because he's an affiliate and good for new customers. Besides his cash outs although allege to be consistent for years are not big.

I'm not sure who typed that? But anyway, I have never said I win at every casino I play at - far from it! Probably less than 50% of my deposits end in a cash-out these days. If you study my KK Results page you'll see I made consistent profit in the "early days" mostly due to generous bonuses from Intercasino & Will Hills, and for the last few years from even more generous +EV bonuses from Ladbrokes. (e.g. This month they have already had 3 or 4 impossible to lose bonuses; Wager 25 and get a 25 bonus!).

The other factor in my success is my losses are somewhat limited because (Ladbrokes aside) I only take 3 or 4 bonuses per month max; with deposits averaging something like $100 - $150 each, so the most I can lose is around $500-$600. So when I get lucky, like cashing out $2,550 from a $200 deposit at Irish Luck, I'm guaranteed to have a good month!

I have been bonus banned at a few casinos - but my success and bonuses received at others have nothing whatsoever to do with me being an affiliate - I was winning long before I became one (it's the reason I became one - to try to help other players win!), and I rarely sign up as KasinoKing, so the casinos probably don't even know it's me. I would be flattered if I did get preferential treatment, but realistically I just don't think it happens.

KK

 

[uungy]

Here is an alternative bonus model:

First we start with the signup bonus:

People are attracted into gambling not because their aim is to lose money but because of the illusion that it is possible to win a lot of cash pretty quickly. Under the current model the SUBs are mainly designed to keep the deposits and therefore this illusion gets trashed from the very beginning. The majority of people new to gambling who had the disfortune to lose their deposit via the so called "bonus" as their first experience (and probably get a lot of hassle in the chat because of some misunderstood terms) will actually be not very eager to continue to play and just leave. Therefore the essential thing here is to deliver what is promised which is that gambling is about getting rich without any effort overnight and create a first positive experience by shifting the odd...........................

Thanks for the read nitro!