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I said there was likely to be different math models out there years ago but was shot down in flames, as people said why would they do that and have to "test" each one......
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I said there was likely to be different math models out there years ago but was shot down in flames, as people said why would they do that and have to "test" each one......
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I do not promote any casino or have any affiliate links on my YT channel, marketing links etc. were barred years ago. All I have is a link to my site, same as in my signature here.
Think about it, Bonanza would hardly be the best example to encourage players to join any site. No aff codes on my channel anywhere mate.
I manage bankroll well, by taking profit or walking away level to mitigate the losing sessions, of which I post nearly all if they last 30 mins or more. The ones I miss are few and far between, the last 15 or so videos are all 15 or so sessions played without omission.
I am waiting for matey to produce a flatulence graph plotting the amount of videos containing an audible guff, how many in each video and the average eruptions per session/hour. May be cross-reference them to bonus rounds, to see if there's any correlation to the amount of 'D's I get i.e. over 0.5 farts per feature landed.
And why does he exclude the Xmas sessions I lost on - it's exactly the same game maths with different graphics. He's very selective in what he chooses to include in his hysterical histograms.
After 7 months and playing it more than any other slot I'm certain it's the theme, reel engineering and audio (I play with it off) that has everyone hooked.
The maths model is pretty average taking into account the bonus frequency and usual result. DoA original plays so much better imo even with the bonus being so much more volatile.
I thought it was the base game hits but the ones I've experienced have happened on the DoAs too and I'm convinced they will land more often on both DoAs than on bonanza.
The major difference is just in the visuals. DoAs 5oak all look the same except for the line config but on bonanza every win for a similar amount looks completely different almost every time.
I'd compare the audio too but DoA seems to have run out of budget before they could work on it lol
The bonus plays for me exactly like DoA2 Train Heist but with a bonus frequency that is double.
After @ChopleyIOM explained the reel design it was like the final reveal of a Penn and Teller magic trick and I've slowly lost interest to the point where I gave it 5 spins today and 10 yesterday before leaving to play random slots for a bit and focus on DoAs again.
Probably the most interesting slot to chat about than play for me at this point
The maths model is pretty average taking into account the bonus frequency and usual result. DoA original plays so much better imo even with the bonus being so much more volatile.
I thought it was the base game hits but the ones I've experienced have happened on the DoAs too and I'm convinced they will land more often on both DoAs than on bonanza.
The major difference is just in the visuals. DoAs 5oak all look the same except for the line config but on bonanza every win for a similar amount looks completely different almost every time.
I'd compare the audio too but DoA seems to have run out of budget before they could work on it lol
The bonus plays for me exactly like DoA2 Train Heist but with a bonus frequency that is double.
After @ChopleyIOM explained the reel design it was like the final reveal of a Penn and Teller magic trick and I've slowly lost interest to the point where I gave it 5 spins today and 10 yesterday before leaving to play random slots for a bit and focus on DoAs again.
Probably the most interesting slot to chat about than play for me at this point
Do you think it's the stake difference then?
These guys play it a lot more than you do in terms of volume as you start with £250 @ £4 stake so 62.5x and seem to get much better results than anyone.
I remember reading on here that providers can have different maths models by stake and don't have to mention it as long as the slot RTP doesn't change.
Always thought it made sense because a slot like bonanza might not be that popular among high stake players if they experience the long periods without a bonus or a base game that doesn't maintain a balance for a reasonable amount of time.
I would imagine there's only so much a design can distract from what's happening to a bankroll once you get into the higher stakes compared to much lower stakes.
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he starts with 500 now and has been doing 500 starts for the last 48 sessions. As far as Christmas playing the same as Bonanza it doesn't really and he knows it as when he played Christmas he noticed differences. He played 6 sessions on Christmas Bonanza and all of them he lost, first 5 he had 0 bonuses in the 6th he had 3. When he played Bonanza with 250 starts he never went more than 1 session without 0 bonuses this year. But if he thinks they are the same then he should switch to Christmas version for the rest of the year or alternate between them for the rest of the year then you will see what happens. But he won't he will stay with Bonanza except for one session around December 25 for one Christmas Bonaza session.
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Mmm let’s start with ur first point. The only link you have is the one to your site? Yes that’s right the site that contains ur affiliate links right? Currently 30 but use to be 100, the vast majority of which would fuck you over in a heartbeat. But at least ur down to 30 now. But yet you say you only have 1 place left to play? That’s odd considering how many are labelled as ‘hot’ on ur site. Why can’t you play at some of those? 90% at least of those 30 would enhance verification / ask you for ur granny’s savings account details in a matter of a week if others were doing ur level of deposits and withdrawals anyway. Come to think of it how do you get away with going through that amount of gameplay and deposits and withdrawals that you have in the last few months without getting whacked with intrusive doc requests??? Only a uk bookie site would allow you to get away with that perhaps????
On to your second point. But that’s just it isn’t it? As has been mentioned before your YouTube videos over the last 5 years HAVE shown you making money EVERYyear on the game. (Yes it’s been that much of an incredible run hasnt it?) So one could argue it is a good slot to encourage players to join sites and have a spin. Well done for finally admitting you don’t post videos that are less than 30 mins long. That’s a first. You have never mentioned that before. Doing 65x deposits (£4 stake with a £250 starting balance) I would argue that the vast majority of those sessions would never make 30 mins and rarely give a feature. The bank roll is simply not big enough. So there must be loads of vids that weren’t getting posted??
Obviously the £500 starts at £4 (125x) would be more likely to granted. But even then. Where are the 400-1000x in deposits that produce nothing videos??? Not a single feature? You simply can’t avoid them when you play bonanza but somehow you seem to manage this year after year? While I get them every week? Or is it simply because you get them but don’t post them because it doesn’t suit ur narrative???
Why don’t you do a video and show ur profit / loss at said casino that you’ve been playing at (which you refuse to mention for some reason) and let’s see how ur figures really match up to your YouTube vids? Or post it here??? Then we can really see whether your a billy bull shitter or ur the worlds spawniest cunt?
While ur at it show us which version ur playing as well. Nothing wrong with being transparent after all is there????? Seen as tho ur a stand up honest affiliate eh?
I await with much anticipation and excitement……
Another disgusting vile session
£20 in
Counted the L 9 times, only once with a cascade - not a single D.
Biggest base hit Max Megaways - £3.69
Rest of the game, disgtusting.
Edit - Sorry for going off track
On other news!
The new CEO female lawyer clown who took over hacksaw seems to be showing her true colours!
0.40p spin to
£20 in
Counted the L 9 times, only once with a cascade - not a single D.
Biggest base hit Max Megaways - £3.69
Rest of the game, disgtusting.
Edit - Sorry for going off track
On other news!
The new CEO female lawyer clown who took over hacksaw seems to be showing her true colours!
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this is dazza's 99 sessions that he showed to us on youtube this year (this include the 6 xmas bonanza sessions) still 20.5K profit... wtf.
who really knows what it is when he doesn't upload ALL the sessions that don't make it past 30 minutes
some of the shorter videos he posted this year were the 250 quid start sessions; on Christmas Bonanza when he did several sessions in a day., he had a 9minute24seconds and a 11min21s (both 0 bonuses and both losses and both started with 250 quid)
earlier in the year he showed a bonanza session #7 which was a 19min32sec (250 quid start losing video, 0 bonuses).
session #25 12minutes51seconds (250 quid start, 0 bonuses and a loss)
session #27 14minutes11seconds (250 quid start, 1 bonus and a loss)
but from video 32 to 99 , all his videos are at least 30 minutes (except for video #80 which was 26min32seconds) so he has been pick and choosing what he posts. all these folks in youtube comment sayin how lucky he is and all that and they can't believe the way he runs. outrageous. average time for videos 32 to 99 is: 78 minutes!
then it's +£20503*. (* for the videos he chose to upload to youtube)
99 sessions on Bonanza (93, Christmas Bonanza (6)
average starting balance £409
average winning session £1104 (36 wins all on Bonanza)
average losing session £385 (44 losses on Bonanza, 6 losses on Christmas Bonanza)
13 break evens. (all of them on Bonanza)
221 bonuses (218 on Bonanza, 3 on Christmas Bonanza) (avg of 2.23 per session.
average of £207.10 profit per session.
who really knows what it is when he doesn't upload ALL the sessions that don't make it past 30 minutes
some of the shorter videos he posted this year were the 250 quid start sessions; on Christmas Bonanza when he did several sessions in a day., he had a 9minute24seconds and a 11min21s (both 0 bonuses and both losses and both started with 250 quid)
earlier in the year he showed a bonanza session #7 which was a 19min32sec (250 quid start losing video, 0 bonuses).
session #25 12minutes51seconds (250 quid start, 0 bonuses and a loss)
session #27 14minutes11seconds (250 quid start, 1 bonus and a loss)
but from video 32 to 99 , all his videos are at least 30 minutes (except for video #80 which was 26min32seconds) so he has been pick and choosing what he posts. all these folks in youtube comment sayin how lucky he is and all that and they can't believe the way he runs. outrageous. average time for videos 32 to 99 is: 78 minutes!
then it's +£20503*. (* for the videos he chose to upload to youtube)
99 sessions on Bonanza (93, Christmas Bonanza (6)
average starting balance £409
average winning session £1104 (36 wins all on Bonanza)
average losing session £385 (44 losses on Bonanza, 6 losses on Christmas Bonanza)
13 break evens. (all of them on Bonanza)
221 bonuses (218 on Bonanza, 3 on Christmas Bonanza) (avg of 2.23 per session.
average of £207.10 profit per session.
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if we look at all the 500 quid start videos then we get 59 videos and average time is 1 hour 20 minutes 12 seconds. the shortest 5 are;
if we look at the 250 quid start videos then we get 38 videos and average time is 55 minutes 4 seconds.
- 26m 33s (The single sub-30-minute outlier)
- 32m 49s
- 33m 17s
- 34m 21s
- 44m 38s
if we look at the 250 quid start videos then we get 38 videos and average time is 55 minutes 4 seconds.
- 9m 24s
- 11m 21s
- 12m 51s
- 14m 11s
- 19m 32s
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what happened after that? also before any bonus or after?
It was only the other day you posted multiple 400x bonuses!
Early in the session, maybe 5 minutes so I was only down that little amount from my original £100.
I played down the £20 to a round £200 and withdrew, no bonus. Didn't want to chase and lose it all just to get a bonus that put me back to where I already was or worse, or no bonus at all!
One of the last spins was a 234 GOL with a tumble, my heart skipped a beat thought I was getting in lol.
But yeah I've just had so many bad sessions in the 2nd half of July and most of August that I'm taking any wins I can get.
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thediro calls Heads and flips a Tail.
'Garbage, coins are corrupt fake BTG bullshit now, disgusting'.
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50x and 100x deposits without a feature??
100% normal from where I am!!!
I tried bonanza falls yesterday as fed up with getting arse raped on the original no matter where I play.
Low stake 40p. Took pictures of each 100x loss and how long it took……..
500x stake gone without a fucking bean. 100x stake loss every 16.4 minutes. It takes roughly 9 minutes to do 100 spins so you can imagine the gameplay was a fucking disgrace.
Fear not as after that I went onto the original bonanza. A +5 feature within 15 mins on 60p which obv paid dismally and then a £300 loss ensued on that.
So for my 1000x stake loss I got one feature.
These young pups complain about going a tenner in on 20p without hitting one!!!! Been watching to many Dazza videos me thinks.
100% normal from where I am!!!
I tried bonanza falls yesterday as fed up with getting arse raped on the original no matter where I play.
Low stake 40p. Took pictures of each 100x loss and how long it took……..
500x stake gone without a fucking bean. 100x stake loss every 16.4 minutes. It takes roughly 9 minutes to do 100 spins so you can imagine the gameplay was a fucking disgrace.
Fear not as after that I went onto the original bonanza. A +5 feature within 15 mins on 60p which obv paid dismally and then a £300 loss ensued on that.
So for my 1000x stake loss I got one feature.
These young pups complain about going a tenner in on 20p without hitting one!!!! Been watching to many Dazza videos me thinks.
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Oooff...!!!
Shots fired.
That screenshot is the next best you could have got. Can perfectly see where all the symbols were.
Harder to see what happened when the cascade is half popped so its just a blur of the explosion.
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The sort of people here who would shout at you in their local snooker club if you won a fruit machine jackpot "you've just won MY money..."
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Good days at Colindale snooker club back in the 80s....this EXACTLY happened.
Seen many a row in the Working Mens club on Friday/Saturday nights when the old regulars would pimp the slots and when they decided to give up/ran out of funds the snipers were waiting in the wings to try two quid and clean the buggers out.
Halcyon days.....
If it's in this direction then I won't be asking much more. I know a fair bit about how marketing works and it has occurred to me that it could be related but I'm not going to post or ask about it, it won't be answered anyway (for obvious reasons).
Was just really interested to know how it plays so well regardless of the leaving out bad sessions but I think we have a good idea now.
Interesting post you made
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the last 21 videos he uploaded has had at least 1 bonus per video. Each video starts with balance of 500 and bets £4 per spin. in those 21 videos there were 59 bonuses (avg of 2.81 per video). profit of £7.5K... average video length is 90minutes. 8 wins, 6 losses, and 7 draws.
bonuses in each uploaded video are; 2, 1, 4, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 4, 1, 3, 1, 3, 2, 1, 4, 6, 6, 3, 4.
avg win £937.50
video duration
in the comment he is getting glazed by viewers that have no idea what's really going on
bonuses in each uploaded video are; 2, 1, 4, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 4, 1, 3, 1, 3, 2, 1, 4, 6, 6, 3, 4.
avg win £937.50
video duration
- 1h 30m 26s = 5,426s
- 1h 03m 24s = 3,804s
- 1h 34m 30s = 5,670s
- 1h 41m 05s = 6,065s
- 1h 24m 14s = 5,054s
- 1h 25m 30s = 5,130s
- 1h 08m 54s = 4,134s
- 59m 56s = 3,596s
- 2h 01m 14s = 7,274s
- 1h 59m 45s = 7,185s
- 45m 48s = 2,748s
- 1h 26m 19s = 5,179s
- 1h 29m 33s = 5,373s
- 1h 11m 52s = 4,312s
- 55m 00s = 3,300s
- 54m 13s = 3,253s
- 1h 20m 03s = 4,803s
- 2h 23m 34s = 8,614s
- 1h 38m 06s = 5,886s
- 1h 32m 41s = 5,561s
- 1h 32m 41s = 5,561s
in the comment he is getting glazed by viewers that have no idea what's really going on
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Who cares? Why does it matter? He uploads videos to his own YT channel of his own gameplay, he's not under any obligation to provide an audit trail to prove if he's uploading all of his Bonanza sessions. It seems a bit weird to me TBH.
The Bonanza psychosis in this thread is bad enough, without layering dunover Bonanza video psychosis on top of it.
The headline session stats you've posted don't even sound too ridiculous to me, 8 wins, 6 losses and 7 draws - well within the realms of possibility.
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"Who cares? Why does it matter? He's not under any obligation to provide an audit trail..."
nobody is claiming that dazza/dunover is breaking the law or bound by some contract, the poiont of the analysis is transparency vs deception, when a youtuber curates his content to look like a continous unbroken streak then viewers get a completely false expectation of how Bonanza works (or any other slot), saying who cares is just a cop out to avoid addressing the maths.
"The Bonanza psychosis in this thread is bad enough, without layering dunover Bonanza video psychosis on top of it."
this is a classic ad hominem attack instead of refuting the probability of surving 21 straight sessions on a 500 quid bankroll at 4 quid a spin you labelling anyone doing basic math as obsessed or having psychosis wtf.. its an easy way to make me or anyone else presenting data to look irrational without having to touch the numbers.
"The headline session stats you've posted don't even sound too ridiculous to me, 8 wins, 6 losses and 7 draws..."
this shows you fall for the youtubers illusion in the first place only looking at the w/l/d and completely ignoring the variance and bankroll mechanics that are needed to get there.
sure 8 wins out of 21 sounds like totally reasonable on paper right but whats not reasonable surely is starting with only 125 spins worth of bankroll at 4 quid a spin and having a 100% rate to get at least 1 bonus feature across all those 21 videos without busting out.
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just wanna make a little correction to this and say that the most recent was 1h53m51s = 6831s thus average length is 1h22m33s.
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It doesn’t really matter now anyway.
He’s now finally admitted that the majority of losing videos don’t make it to broadcast and that for the last 5 years he’s been spinning a yarn.
Can’t say I’m surprised by that given it’s impossible to win long term on any random slot for any sustainable perilod unless ur on a clue. Which is why it was obvious Casinomeisters resident Chipmonkz was obv talking bollox on a good chunk of those vids.
‘Hello viewers and welcome to video 5 of this summer series’ the weather is cloudy and 16.5 degrees.’ I’ve brained out the previous 3 deposits and not hit fuck all. But no point in showing those or mentioning them as they’d be boring and not in keeping with the channel!!’ Would be a better more accurate intro, so we know video 5 is actually video 10 of the series!!
I want the old school Dazza vids back, with the table bashing foul mouthed rants as he got stitched up like the rest of us. Not these amazing session, feature length movie, holy grail moments. Win win win over a stupid amount of time.
Realism and honesty over a blatant liar is always the best approach!!
But as chop says and let’s be honest he’s always right isn’t he?? It’s his channel let him fromt as much bullshit as he wants and hope the viewing public who actually buy into all these wins don’t think I’ll have some of that and get drawn into a road that they won’t escape from thinking ‘Why can’t I win like Dazza’ he doesn’t get this shit??
Like trying to convince people that simply don’t believe a 2% drop in RTP doesn’t make a difference I will give up discussing this subject aswell from now on and get back to doing what I do best. Braining out on anything I play. It’s so much fun. Puts hairs on ya chest don’t you know?
He’s now finally admitted that the majority of losing videos don’t make it to broadcast and that for the last 5 years he’s been spinning a yarn.
Can’t say I’m surprised by that given it’s impossible to win long term on any random slot for any sustainable perilod unless ur on a clue. Which is why it was obvious Casinomeisters resident Chipmonkz was obv talking bollox on a good chunk of those vids.
‘Hello viewers and welcome to video 5 of this summer series’ the weather is cloudy and 16.5 degrees.’ I’ve brained out the previous 3 deposits and not hit fuck all. But no point in showing those or mentioning them as they’d be boring and not in keeping with the channel!!’ Would be a better more accurate intro, so we know video 5 is actually video 10 of the series!!
I want the old school Dazza vids back, with the table bashing foul mouthed rants as he got stitched up like the rest of us. Not these amazing session, feature length movie, holy grail moments. Win win win over a stupid amount of time.
Realism and honesty over a blatant liar is always the best approach!!
But as chop says and let’s be honest he’s always right isn’t he?? It’s his channel let him fromt as much bullshit as he wants and hope the viewing public who actually buy into all these wins don’t think I’ll have some of that and get drawn into a road that they won’t escape from thinking ‘Why can’t I win like Dazza’ he doesn’t get this shit??
Like trying to convince people that simply don’t believe a 2% drop in RTP doesn’t make a difference I will give up discussing this subject aswell from now on and get back to doing what I do best. Braining out on anything I play. It’s so much fun. Puts hairs on ya chest don’t you know?
I don't think most of us care or think it matters but the evasiveness and general reluctance of @dunover to answer simple questions like 'how much do you play?' has probably caused a bit of a streisand effect.
I don't care whether dunover plays all day or does it for the affiliate thing I was just interested to know how much he plays to get an idea of how likely his exceptional bonanza sessions are because I haven't experienced anything like it and seems like no one else has as well.
Framing it like dazza g is just an enthusiast bonanza player who is uploading videos for fun doesn't fit with my general experience with other members here in terms of discussion.
All of them have been more than happy to give accounts of their gameplay and how a specific slot generally plays when asked, even off their own backs they will post a lot of information about a particular win on a slot and their history of playing it.
I don't care whether dunover plays all day or does it for the affiliate thing I was just interested to know how much he plays to get an idea of how likely his exceptional bonanza sessions are because I haven't experienced anything like it and seems like no one else has as well.
Framing it like dazza g is just an enthusiast bonanza player who is uploading videos for fun doesn't fit with my general experience with other members here in terms of discussion.
All of them have been more than happy to give accounts of their gameplay and how a specific slot generally plays when asked, even off their own backs they will post a lot of information about a particular win on a slot and their history of playing it.
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The guy literally has a link to his website which is stuffed full of affiliate links here at CM in his sig, on his YT channel description, and in all of his video descriptions.
Anyone who can't work out the rest of it from there probably doesn't have the intellectual capacity to be safely left in control of any gambling funds.
Moreover, losing videos just make for shit content. Back when I still played at 3Dice my videos about them tended towards the big wins and notable events, simply because they're far more entertaining and interesting.
I had no 'skin in the game' in terms of monetary interest in 3Dice, I was just a regular player there who lost the same house edge as everyone else, but my YT content about them would have seemed 'overly favourable' purely as a function of naturally tending towards selecting the good stuff to make videos about.
Some weekends I'd record maybe 20-25 hours of Bandicam footage and not a single fucking thing would be worth including in a video, and as we all know, that's just the nature of online slots a lot of the time.
I mean christ, look at the war I had with Dice Fusion, (tracked in its own thread here at CM), nearly 600K spins to finally get a jackpot win out of it and that's what made it into a video. What was I supposed to do, make a video every 1000 spins, for 599 videos, and keep saying 'I'm sure the next one will be the charm'?
Bonanza literally says in its help file that it's going to take all your money off you. 96% RTP (if you play the best one), or in other words, it's saying 'give me enough time and I will bankrupt you, however much money you have to start with'.
Still dunover's the baddie here I'm sure
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Not to derail the topic but switched sites.
Had it up to an 18x multi with 6 spins left. Feel rather let down with the end result BUT I had a decent base hit after and managed to turn £100 into £350 in 15 minutes (minus the £100 lost on the first site over an hour previously) so still up £150 which I'll take ofc.
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Well I am glad to see that I'm not the only one that enjoys this thread (in a kind of sadistic way).The guy literally has a link to his website which is stuffed full of affiliate links here at CM in his sig, on his YT channel description, and in all of his video descriptions.
Anyone who can't work out the rest of it from there probably doesn't have the intellectual capacity to be safely left in control of any gambling funds.
Still dunover's the baddie here I'm sure
You make the observations I often think about.
The abuse I get here is non-stop and rather than bristle at the attacks and accusations, theories and hysterical comments as I would have once upon a time, I almost revel in this acidity nowadays.
The reality lies somewhere in between what Mr. Grafmann projects and losing - this year I am up a good amount but nothing like Grafmann states.
As for the shite aspect - let me refer you to this post I made concerning 13 consecutive bust deposits at one site with NO bonus!
New Slot Announcement Post in thread 'Bonanza by Big Time Gaming'
And the other side, for a small 50 quid in:
3628x bet Bonanza, at the rogue Freaky Vegas casino, before it went tits-up a few days later.
I won 12k euros at Casumo over 3 weeks, almost every session won, 1-2 euro bets on Bonanza. Sky Vegas, lost over 13k in my time playing Bonanza there.
Over 10 years I am down a decent 5-figure sum on the bastard game, which is quite reasonable considering the hundreds of thousands I have turned over playing it, possibly a million or two.
I play a 96% Nextgen version last time I looked. This conspiracy nonsense people spout about the game being changed mathematically always makes me laugh. The RTP versions of 96/94/91.21 are independently audited. The huge majority of version code changes have fuck-all to do with any game characteristics, but are things like stake limit changes (UK), display, stake increments or performance updates. As well as that, you have spin speeds, sounds and imagery.
But never, ever let facts get in the way of cognitive bias and paranoia born of losing, which we all do over time.
Well I am glad to see that I'm not the only one that enjoys this thread (in a kind of sadistic way).
You make the observations I often think about.
The abuse I get here is non-stop and rather than bristle at the attacks and accusations, theories and hysterical comments as I would have once upon a time, I almost revel in this acidity nowadays.
The reality lies somewhere in between what Mr. Grafmann projects and losing - this year I am up a good amount but nothing like Grafmann states.
As for the shite aspect - let me refer you to this post I made concerning 13 consecutive bust deposits at one site with NO bonus!
New Slot Announcement Post in thread 'Bonanza by Big Time Gaming'
And the other side, for a small 50 quid in:
3628x bet Bonanza, at the rogue Freaky Vegas casino, before it went tits-up a few days later.
I won 12k euros at Casumo over 3 weeks, almost every session won, 1-2 euro bets on Bonanza. Sky Vegas, lost over 13k in my time playing Bonanza there.
Over 10 years I am down a decent 5-figure sum on the bastard game, which is quite reasonable considering the hundreds of thousands I have turned over playing it, possibly a million or two.
I play a 96% Nextgen version last time I looked. This conspiracy nonsense people spout about the game being changed mathematically always makes me laugh. The RTP versions of 96/94/91.21 are independently audited. The huge majority of version code changes have fuck-all to do with any game characteristics, but are things like stake limit changes (UK), display, stake increments or performance updates. As well as that, you have spin speeds, sounds and imagery.
But never, ever let facts get in the way of cognitive bias and paranoia born of losing, which we all do over time.
So nowadays are you playing across different sites or just the one for your vids? And if it's a secret (no idea if it is?) can you at least say if it's UKGC or some random crypto or something?
I'm well aware that just because you do well there if I went there I'm very likely to get my ass handed to me but I'm still curious to know which site has been treating you this well this year.
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Well I am glad to see that I'm not the only one that enjoys this thread (in a kind of sadistic way).
You make the observations I often think about.
The abuse I get here is non-stop and rather than bristle at the attacks and accusations, theories and hysterical comments as I would have once upon a time, I almost revel in this acidity nowadays.
The reality lies somewhere in between what Mr. Grafmann projects and losing - this year I am up a good amount but nothing like Grafmann states.
As for the shite aspect - let me refer you to this post I made concerning 13 consecutive bust deposits at one site with NO bonus!
New Slot Announcement Post in thread 'Bonanza by Big Time Gaming'
And the other side, for a small 50 quid in:
3628x bet Bonanza, at the rogue Freaky Vegas casino, before it went tits-up a few days later.
I won 12k euros at Casumo over 3 weeks, almost every session won, 1-2 euro bets on Bonanza. Sky Vegas, lost over 13k in my time playing Bonanza there.
Over 10 years I am down a decent 5-figure sum on the bastard game, which is quite reasonable considering the hundreds of thousands I have turned over playing it, possibly a million or two.
I play a 96% Nextgen version last time I looked. This conspiracy nonsense people spout about the game being changed mathematically always makes me laugh. The RTP versions of 96/94/91.21 are independently audited. The huge majority of version code changes have fuck-all to do with any game characteristics, but are things like stake limit changes (UK), display, stake increments or performance updates. As well as that, you have spin speeds, sounds and imagery.
But never, ever let facts get in the way of cognitive bias and paranoia born of losing, which we all do over time.
The thing that I think a lot of players still miss, and miss big time, is just how volatile slots are. (Or perhaps, simply don't understand it.)
I don't mean volatility specifically in terms of max win as Bonanza is famously not overly crackers in that regard, but in the general ebb and flow of gameplay. Even a relatively low volatility slot is massively more volatile than any traditional casino game such as roulette, blackjack, video poker etc.
Like, if you want a flat gameplay experience with high RTP and no surprises, fire up full pay Jacks Or Better Video Poker (99.54% RTP) and play it with perfect strategy (or find an autoplayer that will do it for you, 3Dice's does), but remember to have a good supply of strong coffee on hand because that shit is boring.
People are posting stats in this thread that are totally meaningless, a few thousand spins, pays from ten or twenty features, sample sizes from different casinos that scarcely enter margin of error territory and concluding that 'Casino X is running a bent version'.
I can't help but think sheesh folks, if you really don't understand what you're getting into here on such a fundamental level, for god's sake stop chucking money at it and calling foul when you lose. (Which is mathematically guaranteed to happen on random games with a house edge anyway.)
Some of the runs I saw Dice Fusion go on in my 600K jackpot win chase were astonishing, like massive, massive runs in both the downswing and upswing direction, you'd be forgiven for thinking 3Dice had switched it overnight for a totally different game that just looked the same from the front, but of course it was simply randomness and volatility doing their things.
Bonanza does the same. It always has, it always will. It's that simple.
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I believe people play btg because they have a stable base game compared to others so your money doesn't drain too fast. If you get a bonus its disappointing most of the times but it doesn't hurt much since you didn't lose a lot in the base game.
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I play at a UKGC site, don't worry.
And, as documented in some of my videos last year, had to do some serious KYC and AML checks along the way.
If I could have a penny for every view this thread has had since I started it, do you know I'd have cleared well over £20,000??
And, as documented in some of my videos last year, had to do some serious KYC and AML checks along the way.
If I could have a penny for every view this thread has had since I started it, do you know I'd have cleared well over £20,000??
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