New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[lukey141]

Yeah Diro is going through a real barren patch at the moment.


You're always playing on the same site?

 

[thediro]

16 minutes to get that bonus, that must have felt like an eternity for you.

Nah - It took about 3minutes to get tbh, look at the "win/loss ratio" lol - When the GOLD dropped i went and made a snack, coffee and rolled a smoke etc...

 

[thediro]

Yeah Diro is going through a real barren patch at the moment.


You're always playing on the same site?

Thats Paddy power again tbh, but ive just recently signed upto Slotstemple as they have some of the best RTP slots ive seen so im gonna try a few on that and see how it goes lol.

 

[toslotornot]

checking my stats and in the last 12 bonuses on Christmas Bonanza there has only been one bonus that paid 100x+, since a 501x win , then it went 23.45x, 31.2x, 112.2x, 88.8x, 86.4x, 41.5x, 29.55x, 25.05x, 72.7x, 71.8x, 19.65x, 75x... average of only 56.44x for the last 12 bonuses.

yet on Bonanza, the last 12 bonuses are; 239.25x, 191.7x, 7.75x, 100.75x, 8.75x, 58.25x, 30.05x, 21.3x, 53.45x, 192.45x, 111.2x, 346.25x... average of 113.43x for the last 12 bonuses.

 

[lukey141]

Thats Paddy power again tbh, but ive just recently signed upto Slotstemple as they have some of the best RTP slots ive seen so im gonna try a few on that and see how it goes lol.

Well I don't know what version Paddy uses but in case you watch speed of spins and tumbles for 'tells'. Slots Temple uses the version that is fast at every point so you can't ever know what's going to come.

If you weren't tracking then it won't matter. If anything it's better as the spins don't take so long.

 

[thediro]

Slotstemple

£10 in

9 GOLs - 9 of the bastards, only 2 came with tumbles, not a single D drop.

highest base hit £1.90

Looks like i found a normal version!

God heres hoping the GOLD i hit will be a good one...

Looks like it plays the same versions as Paddys etc - but time will tell...

 

[toslotornot]

Agree with the time part. Work from home and it's always quiet during summer, pretty dead with the World Cup on too.

Money on the other hand not so much.

I'm just very fortunate to be up since I started tracking everything last summer. I wouldn't keep dumping hundreds at a time if it was actually coming out of my own money

as soon as you have the money, then it's yours , not the casinos/not house money, you have to look at it that way.

 

[lukey141]

Well yes and no.

That's a valid way to look at it but as gambling is high variance I look at the big picture. If session 1 I win £100 I'm now +£100. If in session 2 I lose £100 I consider myself even not -£100 because I am no worse off than before I started.

I'm basically using the same system that casinos use for the loss limit calculations.

It helps to mentally block out losses (which I guess is a bad thing). If I lose £500 in 1 session but I'm up on the week still then it won't hurt anywhere near as much as if I just straight up think I've lost £500 in though in real terms there's £500 less in the account than there was at the peak.

 

[Akercocke]

Got a natural 22 spinner tonight, GOLD with 2 +5 blocks, first time I’ve ever seen it….53.6x

Waste of time.

 

[The Viking]

well i take tat with 3 bux left

 

[toslotornot]

Got a natural 22 spinner tonight, GOLD with 2 +5 blocks, first time I’ve ever seen it….53.6x

Waste of time.

my one and only natural 22 spinner on Bonanza paid 51.3x , that was bonus #28, I have 204 bonuses LTD. that was the only time I had a starting 22 spinner, all other times it was 17sp+5 (twice), and a 12sp+10, and 12sp+5+5.

but on Christmas Bonanza my one and only natural 22 spinner paid 501x (bonus #6), I have 22 bonuses LTD..

 

[toslotornot]

well i take tat with 3 bux left
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what's the story?

 

[toslotornot]

my Bonanza/Christmas rollercoaster today.

starting with 15 eur deposit on 60cent spins, it reached peak of +43.05 EUR at spin #81 (I had some nice base wins of 25x and 43.1x)
but played on cause I wanted GOLD! and by end of 380 spins the 15 was down to 0.36, had 8 L's

then bullet #2, still staying on Bonanza.. doing 60cent spins, the bullet lasted just 58 spins and dropped from 15.36 down to 0.27, had 1 L

then bullet #3 swap to Christmas Bonanza.. doing 60 cent spins, starting on 15.27 and drop to 0.45 in 112 spins.... had 4 L's

then bullet #4 swap back to Bonanza, doing 60 cent spins, starting on 15.45 eur and drop to 0.18 in just 32 spins.... 0 L's

then bullet #5 staying on Bonanza, doing 60 cent spins, starting on 15.18 eur and drop to 0.42 in just 34 spins. 0 L's

then lose 42 cents on cat queen to make balance 0.

then bullet #6 on Bonanza, doing 60 cent spins, starting on 15 eur and drop to 0 in just 55 spins. 0 L's

then bullet #7 on Bonanza, doing 60 cent spins, starting on 15 eur, and drop to 0.48 in just 61 spins. 1 L's

then bullet #8 on Bonanza, doing 1 eur spins, starting on 60.48 eur, and it took 125 spins on 1 eur stake to get GOLD 12 spinner and paid 132.5x (making it the 4th 100x+ bonus in a row at bonanza) but this one took 745 spins.. 3 L's (on the 3rd L it dropped the D)

and with that it brings the overall today to +10.13 eur

Bonanza +25.37 eur (RTP 105.10%) [620 spins @0.60 for -89.28 EUR, RTP of 76%, and 125 spins at @1.00 for +114.65 EUR, RTP 191.72%]

Christmas Bonanza -14.82 eur (RTP 77.95%) [112 spins @0.60]

Cat Queen -0.42 eur (RTP 0%)

also note in entire session only one MAX megaways and it paid 0x (during the last deposit), total spins played 857 (745 spins on Bonanza and 112 spins on Christmas Bonanza)

 

[lukey141]

I wish my session looked like yours.

I just got my 2nd bonus. Took 3.5 hours not even joking.

2 bonuses in 4.5 hours overall

Paid 17x because of course it would, after eating a little over £700 !

Fucking criminal. I'm so tilted right now lol.

To make it worse the last 11 bonuses on this same site running average 46x.

 

[lukey141]

Sure why not

WHAT THE LIVING FUCK

My THIRD bonus in 6.5 hours.

Game has eaten over £1000

Drops a 24x

HOW THE FUCK

37x
38x
34x
83x
15x
15x
37x
24x
15x
20x
251x
17x
24x

That's my last 13 bonus. Fucking 45x average.

This is the absolute worst Bonanza run I have ever gone on.

 

[lukey141]

This about sums up how fucking horrendous things are running.

Huge Kings potential with a fast drop. Shouting at my screen for a King but of course it drops a bonus instead.

What do you know, the bonus pays 25x when the kings would have been 112x

. FUCK OFF

 

[Akercocke]

This about sums up how fucking horrendous things are running.

Huge Kings potential with a fast drop. Shouting at my screen for a King but of course it drops a bonus instead.

What do you know, the bonus pays 25x when the kings would have been 112xView attachment 223806View attachment 223807. FUCK OFF

Walk away for a while mate. Like a month.

When I play bonanza i literally try to do 50 spins, if it doesn’t drop, it doesn’t drop.

 

[lukey141]

Yeah when the balance hits zero I'm done

But would you believe another bonus, another banger. How can the RTP be so scuffed. Seriously. 15 bonuses and the average is around 42x?

I get that it's random but at some point random has to mean above the 90x buy as well holy shit.

 

[lukey141]

Nah of course it's not random. It's rigged is what it is.

Another 40x bonus and 12x was the pre bonus tumble. Something is seriously messed up today.

 

[Akercocke]

Nah of course it's not random. It's rigged is what it is.

Another 40x bonus and 12x was the pre bonus tumble. Something is seriously messed up today.View attachment 223820

I firmly believe that the game will have periods of time where it pays and periods of time where it won’t. If I don’t hit at least 1x in the first 10 spins of a session I just don’t play.

 

[2Slots]

When I play bonanza i literally try to do 50 spins, if it doesn’t drop, it doesn’t drop.

If I don’t hit at least 1x in the first 10 spins of a session I just don’t play.

I'm similar but I give it 20x then leave. I do that most tries on any slot I play. As soon as I hit that I go play another slot. I seem to do pretty well with hitting bonuses often enough.

Since I last posted the base game has dropped in at least a 50x every evening. Had a 120x green gems too. Plus a few poor to average bonuses.

I avoided posting as I didn't want to jinx it but tonight was dead two times

 

[toslotornot]

I'm similar but I give it 20x then leave. I do that most tries on any slot I play. As soon as I hit that I go play another slot. I seem to do pretty well with hitting bonuses often enough.

Since I last posted the base game has dropped in at least a 50x every evening. Had a 120x green gems too. Plus a few poor to average bonuses.

I avoided posting as I didn't want to jinx it but tonight was dead two times

I give it 25x (usually start with a 15 eur deposit, and do 60 cent bets)... if it does something and is giving lots of base wins (new peaks getting reached, like it went from 15 to 15.18, then there was 17.73, then 18.24, then 20.91, then 31.17, then 38.49, then 58.05, it was climbing till it got to 58.05 peak and then went down from that point, and I was thinking ok I will stop at 40 or 35 or 30 or 25.... but nope), then I stick around and see what it can do ... if it gives plenty of spins then I may give it another 15 eur deposit.. if it does nothing in the first 15 eur deposit then I won't give it another deposit for that day. but yesterday that first 15 eur deposit climbed to 58.05 eur in 81 spins (there were base wins 43.1x, 25x, and others and 8 GOL's it just wouldn't give that GOLD in those 380 spins that the 15 eur deposited lasted with). that's like dazza g starting on 500 quid and getting to 1935 quid. I should have walked away with a profit on that first deposit instead of chasing the GOLD.

 

[lukey141]

I have no words for how badly the game is behaving

£250 in, 1 bonus in 800 spins and over an hour spinning.

53x running average on last 20 bonuses. 34x on the last 8. WTF

 

[Akercocke]

I have no words for how badly the game is behaving

£250 in, 1 bonus in 800 spins and over an hour spinning.View attachment 223885

Do you have an endless well of money for Bonanza?

Walk away for a few days bro.

 

[lukey141]

Do you have an endless well of money for Bonanza?

Walk away for a few days bro.

I feel like I need it with how the game has been playing lately.

I was up just under £2400 during the last 30 day period. However yesterday and today have all but wiped this entire amount out. There's only £300 of that left. And yes I know it's beyond retarded to lose £2100 in 2 days even if it didn't directly come from my own money to start with.

The variance has been killing me. Bonuses taking way more than 450 spins to come and when they do massively underperforming. That run of 3.5 hours to bonus which is probably 2500 spins and then only paying 17x is what sent me over the edge.

I do have a loss limit but as they calculate profits and loss over the month and most my wins were in July not June they had a lot to take before it kicked in!

 

[2Slots]

I give it 25x (usually start with a 15 eur deposit, and do 60 cent bets)... if it does something and is giving lots of base wins (new peaks getting reached, like it went from 15 to 15.18, then there was 17.73, then 18.24, then 20.91, then 31.17, then 38.49, then 58.05, it was climbing till it got to 58.05 peak and then went down from that point, and I was thinking ok I will stop at 40 or 35 or 30 or 25.... but nope), then I stick around and see what it can do ... if it gives plenty of spins then I may give it another 15 eur deposit.. if it does nothing in the first 15 eur deposit then I won't give it another deposit for that day. but yesterday that first 15 eur deposit climbed to 58.05 eur in 81 spins (there were base wins 43.1x, 25x, and others and 8 GOL's it just wouldn't give that GOLD in those 380 spins that the 15 eur deposited lasted with). that's like dazza g starting on 500 quid and getting to 1935 quid. I should have walked away with a profit on that first deposit instead of chasing the GOLD.

How do you all keep your stats? Do you type in a spreadsheet as you play as I notice you mentioning a particular spin #81 as well so I'm wondering if you and guys like @Reelsoffun track every spin in a spreadsheet as well as every bonus and other things.

I can tell you my bonuses above 100x but that's only because I save the video/screenshot and label it with the x win!

You guys know all the last bonuses you've had and long term stats from your histroy which is very interesting to me.

I knew I wouldn't be dedicated to doing it all the time so I never started when I read about it on here as it would be pointless. Would be interesting to know what you guy track in your spreadsheets as well?

 

[lukey141]

Keeping every spin sounds like a huge nightmare and bore

This is what I keep:

Date

Site

Session Start

Session End

Profit when triggered?

Natural or Tumbled?

Bonus

Spins

Retrigger

Total Spins

Final Multi

Win (x)

Overall Session

So for example with the bonus I just had earlier:

9.7.2026

Video Slots

350

100.9

No

Tumbled

GOLD

12

NO

12

5

3

-249.1

Then for Natural that tumbles in +5 it would be Natural + Tumble and for any plus 5 it would be GOLD+5 or GOLD+5+5

I then also keep little notes after if the bonus drops in the first 50 spins or I have a fast back to back.

Looking over this I noticed I haven't had a +5 trigger in 36 bonuses and I've also only retriggered once in the last 47 bonuses. Every metric I look at is miserable right now lol!

 

[lukey141]

Speaking of no +5 triggers...

The first decent bonus in what feels like forever. Multi was 24x but it just kept building with lots of tiny hits rather than any actual good connect sadly.

 

[toslotornot]

I have no words for how badly the game is behaving

£250 in, 1 bonus in 800 spins and over an hour spinning.

53x running average on last 20 bonuses. 34x on the last 8. WTF

my last 20 bonuses on Bonanza, average is 101.45x
my last 8 bonuses on Bonanza, average is 118.18x

my last 20 bonuses on Christmas Bonanza, average is 140.74x
my last 8 bonuses on Christmas Bonanza, average is just 52.71x


how many spins are bonuses taking?
my last 20 bonuses on Bonanza, average bonus took 503.45 spins
my last 8 bonuses on Bonanza, average bonus took 449.25 spins

my last 20 bonuses on Christmas Bonanza, average bonus took 333.5 spins
my last 8 bonuses on Christmas Bonanza, average bonus took 319.63 spins

 

[toslotornot]

How do you all keep your stats? Do you type in a spreadsheet as you play as I notice you mentioning a particular spin #81 as well so I'm wondering if you and guys like @Reelsoffun track every spin in a spreadsheet as well as every bonus and other things.

I can tell you my bonuses above 100x but that's only because I save the video/screenshot and label it with the x win!

You guys know all the last bonuses you've had and long term stats from your histroy which is very interesting to me.

I knew I wouldn't be dedicated to doing it all the time so I never started when I read about it on here as it would be pointless. Would be interesting to know what you guy track in your spreadsheets as well?

text files, spreadsheets, and during a session write on paper. keep track during session of GOL's, new peaks (and spin numbers), good base wins. spin # of the bonus, how much the bonus paid, how much trigger paid, starting spins, any retriggers.

 

[lukey141]

text files, spreadsheets, and during a session write on paper. keep track during session of GOL's, new peaks (and spin numbers), good base wins. spin # of the bonus, how much the bonus paid, how much trigger paid, starting spins, any retriggers.

That's a crazy detailed logging system you're running. I gave up tracking GOLS and don't bother with base game hits under 100x. I do note the trigger payout if it's over 10x though.

 

[Reelsoffun]

How do you all keep your stats? Do you type in a spreadsheet as you play as I notice you mentioning a particular spin #81 as well so I'm wondering if you and guys like @Reelsoffun track every spin in a spreadsheet as well as every bonus and other things.

I can tell you my bonuses above 100x but that's only because I save the video/screenshot and label it with the x win!

You guys know all the last bonuses you've had and long term stats from your histroy which is very interesting to me.

I knew I wouldn't be dedicated to doing it all the time so I never started when I read about it on here as it would be pointless. Would be interesting to know what you guy track in your spreadsheets as well?

HAHA im not that sad, generally I only record all bonuses and then when i can be bothered i just put the data in my speadsheet as one line..... only on frequently played games

#

Date

Game

Stake

Win (£)

Win (X)

Notes

854

09/07/2026

Bonanza

12 Spins

[td width="50px"]
0.20

[/td][td width="60px"]
25.72

[/td][td width="60px"]
129

[/td]​

Then the sheet can pull stats with little to no more effort and with graphs etc

356	Less than 50x	%
577	Less than 100x	%

[td width="46px"]
41.7

[/td]
[td]
67.6

[/td]



formatting here is all messed up but you get the jist​

 

[lukey141]

This is actually making me sick at this point.

How have I just had 4 bonuses in about 700 spins and yet I've lost £200 in an hour somehow.

5 bonuses IN A ROW and they haven't even paid back the cost of 1 bonus.

19x
21x
29x
4x
16x (11x pre bonus tumble so bonus paid 5x)

My running average on the last 14 bonuses is now 40x. I've had 1 bonus pay over the 90x buy cost. ONE. This run is beyond comprehension at this point.

I've had 8 single digit bonuses in the last 5 weeks of tracking. 3 of those have come in the last 13 hours.

It's such a kick in the balls that the 4th bonus dropped when I was down to £6 and assumed I was fucked. Not that I thought the bonus would do anything but I at least thought another 30x to keep me afloat.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Didn't think it was account specific. Mind you i use Hills every day mainly for sports.

Its in the vegas section the offer. Alongside the junk.like play £5 get 5 free spins in don't touch.

Its been there about a week. I decided to click it today thinking it would only be used on certain slots but when I saw it was any slot I decided its 10x bonus wagering. Or really 5 x wagering as deposit gets locked into bonus.

So thought what the hell its £100 with playthrough of £500 let's try Bonanza see if I can even break even. Worked a bit better lol.

You sure you haven't got it available.

Anyone getting the 100% deposit match on hills ??? Only 10x wagering and up to £200 as well!

I checked the T’s and C’s and unfortunately there is a section that says cards beginning with xxxx xx aren’t allowed to use the promotion???

Well obv my bank ‘monzo’ is one of them ffs.

Why the fuck run a promotion and then block certain banks???

Anyway if anybody has a hills account it’s worth checking out as u can use it on BTG games which most are on top rtp.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Here it is and you can even use on table games so basically free money. But check the card details section first!!!

 

[Akercocke]

Here it is and you can even use on table games so basically free money. But check the card details section first!!!

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Blocks Revolut too, although not Starling, weirdly.

 

[lukey141]

Hmm

Even with 17 spins I can't break past 40x. 6 in a row now. Sure why not

At least put a 9 on reel 3 and pay me something jesus

 

[dunover]

Hmm

Even with 17 spins I can't break past 40x. 6 in a row now. Sure why not

At least put a 9 on reel 3 and pay me something jesus
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What you moaning about? A 9 on reel 3 there would have only been 288x.

 

[Akercocke]

What you moaning about? A 9 on reel 3 there would have only been 288x.

“Only”

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yeah Diro is going through a real barren patch at the moment.


You're always playing on the same site?

Well that was totally expected tbh, The amount of features he was getting defied the laws of large numbers lol

 

[thediro]

Well that was totally expected tbh, The amount of features he was getting defied the laws of large numbers lol

Still getting them tbh!

Still getting the same bs payouts to!

 

[lukey141]

Alright well since I started keeping track of bonuses on the 6th June I've now passed 100 bonuses (103 total).

I thought it would be interesting to try and work out exactly how I'd been doing. It's made difficult because it's across a number of sites and most don't provide a proper breakdown like Video Slots meaning I had to pull the numbers myself.

Anyway I've got the following data now:

Across all sites between 6th June to 11th July total spins: 37,217
Total Return: £34,902.32
RTP: 93.78%
Total Bonuses: 103
Average Bonus: 101x
Total Losses: £2,314.68

There's a bunch of things to unpack from that. Firstly I am running a little below theoretical RTP. I should be down £826 less than I am. That being said for 'only' 37k spins it's already settled quite well close to where it should be.

Despite what feels like constant barren spells my expected bonuses is 82.7. Since I'm at 103 now I've actually had 20 bonuses more than average which is significantly above this. The concerning thing is each bonus has paid an average of £101. So if I did got 20 less bonuses (and therefore £2000 less back) my RTP would drop all the way down to 88%. So even though I'm running 'hot' with bonuses they were needed to get the RTP up, which would suggest the base game has not been pulling its weight. As far as I can remember I've had only 1 100x base game in those spins and we're talking like 130x not 300-400x.

The first half of bonuses went way better than the second half. The first 52 had an average of 116x. Meanwhile the last 51 bonuses only managed an average of 83x.

Lastly regarding the sites themselves. No site where I logged more than 1000 spins managed a positive RTP which is really surprising. The worst offender was Video Slots who managed 84% on 1320 spins. The biggest eater was Coral that managed 88% off 11,675 spins. The vast majority of that was that stupid run the other day where it ate £1700 in a day. That 1 day basically messed up everything.

Anyway nothing that can be done about that now. The next 100 bonuses will certainly take a lot longer than the last ones did. I don't want to be losing £2000 a month! Now that it's eaten all my profits I'll have to massively scale back unless I get lucky with a big hit.

 

[CongoGB]

6OAK Purple boxes on x10 was a nice surprise:

 

[lukey141]

By the way the bonus frequency was observed to be something like 1 in 450 right?

Also I think I read somewhere the base game/bonus split was something like 71/25. Am I just making numbers up or was that written somewhere too?

 

[2Slots]

By the way the bonus frequency was observed to be something like 1 in 450 right?

Also I think I read somewhere the base game/bonus split was something like 71/25. Am I just making numbers up or was that written somewhere too?

Don't know if it's exactly 71

I know I've written 70% quite a few times and no one corrected me so it must be 70+.

 

[lukey141]

I see

Because I was thinking about the average bonuses and I know I've seen people post their averages and they're frequently quite a bit above what you'd think for a 90x buy slot.

It makes sense you think about it though.

When you buy it for 90x it has a 96% RTP so you're getting 86.4x average back to get to that figure.

Bonuses that are spun in can't operate on that same level. If the split is 71/25 that means 25% of the RTP has to come from bonuses. If the bonus frequency is around 450. Lots off assumptions without the hard data from BTG I know, but IF all that stands up.

Then the average bonus frequency of a SPUN IN bonus has to be higher. In fact as much as 112.5x.

It makes sense when you think about it. A bought bonus is just that, straight in with 12 spins. Natural bonuses have pre bonus tumbles and wins and of course can start with 17 or even 22 spins.

Since the bonus feature itself plays out the same (every spin apparently 100% random) then what we're looking at is the prebonus wins and chance of additional spins adds an average 26x to each bonus compared to a bought one.

That is a surprisingly large difference but goes a long way to explaining why people seem to have higher average bonuses than the 90x (assuming they count any prebonus wins as part of the bonus).

So all this time I've been thinking about 86x as a target when actually the average we're aiming to see is 112x! Turns out my 101x run is actually worse than expected. The last 51 bonuses were WAY down running nearly 30x below. On top of a poor base game run it's no wonder I was holding my own until the last few days when it dopped off a cliff lol.

 

[toslotornot]

I won't play the game in demo anymore cause (including bonus buys) I don't want to see big wins while playing in demo, last time I did play in demo there was a near miss in base game for all the ways diamonds multiple ways and that was it, no more of that cause unlike in real mode when you wishing for the diamond to drop , in demo you are wishing for it not to drop.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I see

Because I was thinking about the average bonuses and I know I've seen people post their averages and they're frequently quite a bit above what you'd think for a 90x buy slot.

It makes sense you think about it though.

When you buy it for 90x it has a 96% RTP so you're getting 86.4x average back to get to that figure.

Bonuses that are spun in can't operate on that same level. If the split is 71/25 that means 25% of the RTP has to come from bonuses. If the bonus frequency is around 450. Lots off assumptions without the hard data from BTG I know, but IF all that stands up.

Then the average bonus frequency of a SPUN IN bonus has to be higher. In fact as much as 112.5x.

It makes sense when you think about it. A bought bonus is just that, straight in with 12 spins. Natural bonuses have pre bonus tumbles and wins and of course can start with 17 or even 22 spins.

Since the bonus feature itself plays out the same (every spin apparently 100% random) then what we're looking at is the prebonus wins and chance of additional spins adds an average 26x to each bonus compared to a bought one.

That is a surprisingly large difference but goes a long way to explaining why people seem to have higher average bonuses than the 90x (assuming they count any prebonus wins as part of the bonus).

So all this time I've been thinking about 86x as a target when actually the average we're aiming to see is 112x! Turns out my 101x run is actually worse than expected. The last 51 bonuses were WAY down running nearly 30x below. On top of a poor base game run it's no wonder I was holding my own until the last few days when it dopped off a cliff lol.

OMG for the zillionth time STOP saying its worth 90x because of the buy! it isnt, the UK version don't have a bonus buy, do you have proof that the standard bonanza's bonus is worth 90x? NO

Is the bonus buy one worth 90x NO ( as you rightly say its actually nearer to 86.5x )

Just because a bonus buy is 90x it dont mean the bonus is worth that, they are very often completely seperate math models to the original game for the exact reason you describe in your post.

This is why it boils my piss when people compare bonus expected values purely on their "purchase price" that isnt how it works 99% of the time.

Its the same when someone hitting a super bonus naturally on a game that is 500x to buy, and saying it was worth 500x your playing a separete version and hitting it naturally might be worth much more or less it depends on the math model for that game and how they doing it internally eg server side.

Like all slot math, there are many different ways they can do it, some lazy some not so lazy, so unless the provider tells you which way they doing it we will never know for sure, but most are probably

Im not sure if any providers use it, but there is a simple way for them to add a bonus buy to any game without having to redo any of the math and if the player knew they might not like it LOL

 

[Reelsoffun]

By the way the bonus frequency was observed to be something like 1 in 450 right?

Also I think I read somewhere the base game/bonus split was something like 71/25. Am I just making numbers up or was that written somewhere too?

I think the concensus is that its around 1/460 and that the rtp split is around 73/23 +-3%

But without any official par sheet data its only educated and data driven estimates.

Personally I think the UKGC should make the RTP split of any slot mandatory in the help file, so the player can make informed choices of games they play but thats a whole other subject LOL

 

[lukey141]

OMG for the zillionth time STOP saying its worth 90x because of the buy! it isnt, the UK version don't have a bonus buy, do you have proof that the standard bonanza's bonus is worth 90x? NO

Is the bonus buy one worth 90x NO ( as you rightly say its actually nearer to 86.5x )

Just because a bonus buy is 90x it dont mean the bonus is worth that, they are very often completely seperate math models to the original game for the exact reason you describe in your post.

This is why it boils my piss when people compare bonus expected values purely on their "purchase price" that isnt how it works 99% of the time.

Its the same when someone hitting a super bonus naturally on a game that is 500x to buy, and saying it was worth 500x your playing a separete version and hitting it naturally might be worth much more or less it depends on the math model for that game and how they doing it internally eg server side.

Like all slot math, there are many different ways they can do it, some lazy some not so lazy, so unless the provider tells you which way they doing it we will never know for sure, but most are probably

Im not sure if any providers use it, but there is a simple way for them to add a bonus buy to any game without having to redo any of the math and if the player knew they might not like it LOL

Seems like you didn't actually read my post properly then. I said that based on the suggested numbers people have offered up a bonus on Bonanza including any pretumble wins is worth 112.5x

And unless there's proof one way or the other I don't see how it's unreasonable to believe a spun in 12 spin bonus with no pre bonus wins is worth exactly the same as a bought one. You get 12 random spins. Unless BTG are using different reels for a buy vs a spun bonus the only difference is that when you start with more spins you get 5/10 extra RANDOM spins. That along with the chance of connects before GOLD drops are what give it the extra wins and make it more valuable compared with a buy.