New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[ChopleyIOM]

Does anyone else notice that if you've a long session on Bonanza and dont hit a bonus, the next time you play it, you hit a bonus fairly quick ( within 15 or 20 mins ) or am I wearing a tinfoil hat...

Tinfoil hat.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Quite. But I'm still not sure If I fully understand why a game needs to change its reel strips, and therefore the odds, while you're playing it for that hour or so. I thought the whole point of games reaching rtp over many milions and millions of spins was not to need any 'control' other than 'random' doing its thing alongside the long-term 4-5% edge.

Why can't they combine all the reel strips (that they've designed) into one big one and jumble it all up, apply a rng and let it rip?

Because certain reel strips will be inappropriate for the overall game's RTP in certain scenarios. Immortal Romance, for example, switches to different reel strips for each of the bonus rounds and also for the Wild Desire bonus, because the 'base' reel strips would produce far too many big wins otherwise.

Berrini's Fortune at 3Dice switches to different reel strips for the free spins round, partly to remove the scatters because they're useless within the free spins round, and the symbols are ordered differently on the reels too, with wilds appearing in different places and suchlike, which is clearly to stop certain results being possible when it's running at a 12x multiplier.

It's a really basic, fundamental element of modern slots design.

 

[mack341]

Because certain reel strips will be inappropriate for the overall game's RTP in certain scenarios. Immortal Romance, for example, switches to different reel strips for each of the bonus rounds and also for the Wild Desire bonus, because the 'base' reel strips would produce far too many big wins otherwise.

Berrini's Fortune at 3Dice switches to different reel strips for the free spins round, partly to remove the scatters because they're useless within the free spins round, and the symbols are ordered differently on the reels too, with wilds appearing in different places and suchlike, which is clearly to stop certain results being possible when it's running at a 12x multiplier.

It's a really basic, fundamental element of modern slots design.

Ah I wasn't meaning for the bonus rounds, I accept they'll always be different to the base game, and they're 'free spins' so in a way you are not paying for them at that point.

I'm talking only about the base game, pay per spin.

 

[thediro]

Either way, the game has went to shit, starting to see the 94% version roll out more now and the hits just aint hitting anymore.

GG

 

[lukey141]

I know this is the Bonanza thread but there's not really a general BTG thread so I'll rant here about More fucking Turkey

4 Scatter AND a retrigger and it pays 12x. It was literally 6 dead spins, retrigger on 7th spin (that was dead otherwise), 4 more dead spins and some tiny pays at the end. So frustrating to watch. After it eating nearly £300 on £1 bets I figured it was going to finally give a little back but no...

Also had a 3x and 16x bonus from these 831 spins and the best hit a 21x base. I don't know how a 40x buy game can bonus so infrequently and then hit nothing in the base game either grrrrr.

Edit: 140 spins later 4th bonus, 8x. FML

 

[M!ke]

4 Scatter AND a retrigger and it pays 12x. It was literally 6 dead spins, retrigger on 7th spin (that was dead otherwise), 4 more dead spins and some tiny pays at the end. So frustrating to watch. After it eating nearly £300 on £1 bets I figured it was going to finally give a little back but no...

That's rant-worthy. Most 4 scatter triggers in the game do at least pay decently, but I gotta tell you, that Turkey will eat money till it explodes.

My highest return on a bonus trigger was a 4 scatter trigger. Was 600x. I was surprised.

Also had a 3x and 16x bonus from these 831 spins and the best hit a 21x base. I don't know how a 40x buy game can bonus so infrequently and then hit nothing in the base game either grrrrr.

Edit: 140 spins later 4th bonus, 8x. FML

At least half the bonuses are only good for refueling your balance a bit for survival.

 

[lukey141]

Yeah game is just nasty. That 4 scat was just so deflating. I think I'm done with the game for now. It's so stupid I wasn't even going to spin this evening but I'd won £115 coming 2nd in an encore on Mr Vegas and thought I'd spin a quick bonus and try my luck. Then it's down the rabbit hole almost all the money gone and the first bonus pays nothing so you feel compelled to reload and go again and suddenly several hundred quid down the shitter.

 

[snorky510238]

That’s another thing that happens too often to be a coincidence…..A retrigger in the bonus round is followed by 5 dead spins. It’s almost guaranteed, it happens that often. Yet, people still declare it’s random. Well, if weighting reels to the point where it’s impossible to win, qualifies as random, then it’s incredibly misleading and the definition in the dictionary needs changing.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That’s another thing that happens too often to be a coincidence…..A retrigger in the bonus round is followed by 5 dead spins. It’s almost guaranteed, it happens that often. Yet, people still declare it’s random. Well, if weighting reels to the point where it’s impossible to win, qualifies as random, then it’s incredibly misleading and the definition in the dictionary needs changing.

I wouldn't disagree with you on that, the maths behind many online games these days is dreadfully murky and there appears to be no requirement for companies such as BTG to even remotely explain to the players how anything works.

For my money this should be defined at the regulatory and technical standards level, and the information should be available to players via detailed help screens for those who wish to educate themselves in terms of what they're letting themselves in for.

This kind of stuff is possible, 3Dice for example are completely transparent about how the weighting works in the bonus round on Berrini's Fortune, with all the numbers in the help screen so you can understand as a player exactly what it is that's going on.

 

[thediro]

£50 Balance 0.40p spins

Down to £30 - GOLD = Payout £4.50

Down to £21 - GOLD = Payout £6

Down to £8 - GOLD = Payout £1.80

Base hit £33

Down to £25 - GOLD = Payout £4.70

Down to £2 - GOLD = Payout £0.98p

The entire game really is a farce, i mean ive never met a slot so bad that when getting the Bonus it actually now fills you with dread rather than excitement.

Like literally seeing that GOLD now, is actually the worse possible thing that can happen to you in this slot.

Not a single +5

Not a single retrigger

Not a single withdrawal.

Games flat as there reps.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

£50 Balance 0.40p spins

Down to £30 - GOLD = Payout £4.50

Down to £21 - GOLD = Payout £6

Down to £8 - GOLD = Payout £1.80

Base hit £33

Down to £25 - GOLD = Payout £4.70

Down to £2 - GOLD = Payout £0.98p

The entire game really is a farce, i mean ive never met a slot so bad that when getting the Bonus it actually now fills you with dread rather than excitement.

Like literally seeing that GOLD now, is actually the worse possible thing that can happen to you in this slot.

Not a single +5

Not a single retrigger

Not a single withdrawal.

Games flat as there reps.

It'll do that sometimes.

Here are the stats I recorded on one of my sessions, they're posted back in this thread somewhere

When it comes to Bonanza, the only winning move is not to play. (Well, as is the case for all random games with a house edge really )

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£100 starting balance
20p spins

100 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £96.58p left
200 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £87.56p left
300 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £84.39p left
400 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £73.23p left
500 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £62.29p left
600 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £56.35p left
700 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £51.30p left
800 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £58.50p left
900 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £53.07p left
1000 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £43.41p left
1057 spins - FEATURE - 14x - £41.79p left
1157 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £44.96p left
1257 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £40.20p left
1362 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £33.03p left
1462 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £23.87p left
1562 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £11.83p left
1662 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £10.61p left
1762 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £1.92p left
1782 spins - BUST

 

[thediro]

I dont think its "sometimes" though thats the issues, it clearly seems to be 90% of the times.

I dont think ive ever had a withdrawal from these ****s yet, its absolutely disgraceful.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I dont think its "sometimes" though thats the issues, it clearly seems to be 90% of the times.

I dont think ive ever had a withdrawal from these cunts yet, its absolutely disgraceful.

You've read a few random pages of this thread, right?

Bonanza has been doing this to people literally since day one.

 

[thediro]

You've read a few random pages of this thread, right?

Bonanza has been doing this to people literally since day one.

Yeah its a fucking joke lol...

Honestly - Think its time to go back to my bullets and bounty.

 

[dunover]

I dont think its "sometimes" though thats the issues, it clearly seems to be 90% of the times.

I dont think ive ever had a withdrawal from these ****s yet, its absolutely disgraceful.

Right, I had to snip one of your posts the other day for extreme profanity, this is the last time. I know the game winds people up, but keep it relatively polite.

Thanks!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Bonanza - Turning people into sweary wastelands of disillusionment and dejection since 2016!

 

[thediro]

Right, I had to snip one of your posts the other day for extreme profanity, this is the last time. I know the game winds people up, but keep it relatively polite.

Thanks!

Sorry Dazza!

It’s a typical way of us Scot’s talking there was no offence intended with it.

 

[interlog]

Was pissing about yesterday with a small deposit and 20p spins. Had a 4 scatter retrigger in the bonus which is a very rare event. Paid just over 300x. The £30 deposit lasted me 3 hours so not bad value for money

 

[dunover]

That’s another thing that happens too often to be a coincidence…..A retrigger in the bonus round is followed by 5 dead spins. It’s almost guaranteed, it happens that often. Yet, people still declare it’s random. Well, if weighting reels to the point where it’s impossible to win, qualifies as random, then it’s incredibly misleading and the definition in the dictionary needs changing.

Err...how many times, for years have I said that on my videos?

 

[snorky510238]

Err...how many times, for years have I said that on my videos?

53.

 

[lukey141]

Was pissing about yesterday with a small deposit and 20p spins. Had a 4 scatter retrigger in the bonus which is a very rare event. Paid just over 300x. The £30 deposit lasted me 3 hours so not bad value for money

Yeah balances just seem to last longer. I don't think I've seen a 4 scatter re yet myself.

After getting destroyed by More Turkey I went to Bonanza and was able to spin for an hour getting 2 bonuses both paying 50-60x and long with the base games kept afloat so I was able to withdraw my initial deposit at the end. Obviously would have liked to get some of the money lost to Turkey back but at least I didn't lose even more.

 

[Reelsoffun]

£50 Balance 0.40p spins

Down to £30 - GOLD = Payout £4.50

Down to £21 - GOLD = Payout £6

Down to £8 - GOLD = Payout £1.80

Base hit £33

Down to £25 - GOLD = Payout £4.70

Down to £2 - GOLD = Payout £0.98p

The entire game really is a farce, i mean ive never met a slot so bad that when getting the Bonus it actually now fills you with dread rather than excitement.

Like literally seeing that GOLD now, is actually the worse possible thing that can happen to you in this slot.

Not a single +5

Not a single retrigger

Not a single withdrawal.

Games flat as there reps.

I’m not gonna lie I’m starting to disbelieve those kind of stats, I know bonanza can be bad but saying nearly ten features in a row under 15x starting to sound like your being selective with your data.

Really hoping you have had a couple of good one’s in between that you haven’t told us about surely?

 

[thediro]

I’m not gonna lie I’m starting to disbelieve those kind of stats, I know bonanza can be bad but saying nearly ten features in a row under 15x starting to sound like your being selective with your data.

Really hoping you have had a couple of good one’s in between that you haven’t told us about surely?

Listen I’ve posted plenty of screenies from my previous posts that correlate the same results.

Too old to be sitting here milking attention from fake stats to gain what exactly?

Seriously hope I’m due a good one soon, not that my base hit playing has been bad cause it’s not it’s been really lucrative in terms of what you could expect from base hits, but the bonuses have been absolutely horrific.

 

[dunover]

I have to say, even in its darkest periods of painful penetration, I can't recall seeing 10 consecutive features paying 15x or less.

 

[thediro]

I have to say, even in its darkest periods of painful penetration, I can't recall seeing 10 consecutive features paying 15x or less.

You didn’t, I saw them lol

Am I the target guy now?

Like there isn’t 800 pages previous to this where so many have all experienced the same thing?

I ain’t exactly here just to shit all over bonanza in Particular guys relax, pretty sure I ain’t alone in my low returns on this either when it comes to bonuses.

Edit - does paddy power have a way of pulling past games or replays or anything?

 

[dunover]

You didn’t, I saw them lol

Am I the target guy now?

Like there isn’t 800 pages previous to this where so many have all experienced the same thing?

I ain’t exactly here just to shit all over bonanza in Particular guys relax, pretty sure I ain’t alone in my low returns on this either when it comes to bonuses.

Edit - does paddy power have a way of pulling past games or replays or anything?

Not at all, but it's well outside the curve to have 10 bonuses aggregating less than 150x. You can get play logs from any UKGC casino, trouble is I'm not sure the logs can distinguish between a 10x base game win and a 10x feature return unless anyone knows better?

 

[thediro]

Not at all, but it's well outside the curve to have 10 bonuses aggregating less than 150x. You can get play logs from any UKGC casino, trouble is I'm not sure the logs can distinguish between a 10x base game win and a 10x feature return unless anyone knows better?

I’m guessing paddy has no methodology or anything to look at previous games played other than transaction history?

Which will be like trying to crack the davinci code…

Regardless as stated, not here to waffle to you good folk which gains me absolutely nothing, you do realise if I win anything relatively decent the first thing I’m gonna do is come here and boast about it from being buzzing.

 

[M!ke]

It'll do that sometimes.

Here are the stats I recorded on one of my sessions, they're posted back in this thread somewhere

When it comes to Bonanza, the only winning move is not to play. (Well, as is the case for all random games with a house edge really )

-----------

£100 starting balance
20p spins

100 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £96.58p left
200 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £87.56p left
300 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £84.39p left
400 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £73.23p left
500 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £62.29p left
600 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £56.35p left
700 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £51.30p left
800 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £58.50p left
900 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £53.07p left
1000 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £43.41p left
1057 spins - FEATURE - 14x - £41.79p left
1157 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £44.96p left
1257 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £40.20p left
1362 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £33.03p left
1462 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £23.87p left
1562 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £11.83p left
1662 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £10.61p left
1762 spins, no feature or 50x stop trigger - £1.92p left
1782 spins - BUST

That's depressing.. LOL

 

[lukey141]

I don't suppose there's anyone who knows the bonus frequency on More Turkey?

 

[M!ke]

I don't suppose there's anyone who knows the bonus frequency on More Turkey?

From my logs, it usually seems to be around 1:200.

 

[lukey141]

Yeah that's about what I worked out too, but was curious if there was an official number.

Giving it 1 last hundred. 220 spins in 26x bonus. Not looking great so far...

Edit:

FUCK YES FINALLY!

Huge Aces all the way on max ways for a killer base game hit. Forget the bonus lol. Jesus did I need that.

I was so sure I was about to get screwed over because all those aces landed but only some 10's connected but thankfully the slot gods were benevolent and dropped that Ace top left on reel 1 phew.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I’m not gonna lie I’m starting to disbelieve those kind of stats, I know bonanza can be bad but saying nearly ten features in a row under 15x starting to sound like your being selective with your data.

Really hoping you have had a couple of good one’s in between that you haven’t told us about surely?

Yes I agree nobody gets bonuses that frequently on bonanza no matter what they pay!!

Where’s the £200 on 40p to get a feature that pays 11x?

 

[M!ke]

Huge Aces all the way on max ways for a killer base game hit. Forget the bonus lol. Jesus did I need that..

I've played More Turkey a lot, and I can say that the base game hits have returned more than the bonus rounds.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yes im with @M!ke on this one, more turkey seems to have more RTP allocated to max way hits at the cost of some RTP from the bonus rounds.

Although I personally would put the average bonus at 1/300 rather than the 1/200 which someone suggested but i dont know what the official stats are.

@lukey141 As you have found out its quite a volatile bugger!

 

[Reelsoffun]

Anyway as this is the bonanza thread I will get it back on track by posting something really nerdy lol

Someone asked for some stats recently and forgot to post em.

My first ever 100 bonuses on bonanza averaged 115x
My total average on all recorded bonuses are average 105x

And I have never had a bonus pay over 1400x

Which unlike most people here, I'm fine with

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Utter spawn.

I gave bonanza falls a go today.

£500 down on 80p for 1 garbage feature. Now that’s entertainment folks.

 

[lukey141]

Even though I hate the feature I've still wanted to try it but everyone I've looked at offers it at 94% so I've held off so far.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Slots temple or 365

 

[thediro]

Well - i thought f*** it (See Dazza im learning!)

£30 deposit

This is what i got after like 20+ spins?

Good or bad?

 

[lukey141]

Slots temple or 365

I'm stuck with their shitty monthly deposit limit that I blew chasing this months tournament haha. Will have to give it a go on 20ps next week.

As to bet 365 I had an account there years ago and they wanted tons of info from me before I could use them again and at the time I never bothered with it as there were lots of other options around... good times.

I suppose it's an ok win but for 27 spins it's pretty weak. What was the setup to get that, lots of retriggers or a bunch of starting +5s?

 

[thediro]

I'm stuck with their shitty monthly deposit limit that I blew chasing this months tournament haha. Will have to give it a go on 20ps next week.

As to bet 365 I had an account there years ago and they wanted tons of info from me before I could use them again and at the time I never bothered with it as there were lots of other options around... good times.

I suppose it's an ok win but for 27 spins it's pretty weak. What was the setup to get that, lots of retriggers or a bunch of starting +5s?

 

[M!ke]

Utter spawn.

I gave bonanza falls a go today.

£500 down on 80p for 1 garbage feature. Now that’s entertainment folks.

I don't like the balance of that game. It's evident how much RTP is allocated to the gimmicky bonus round by the symbol values. They say a lot considering there's no major difference in the base gameplay between Falls and original Bonanza.

 

[lukey141]

This is true but I never hit anything meaningful all the way in the base game anyway so maybe it doesn't matter for me lol.

Crazy setup @thediro I would feel underwhelmed with that result. Retriggers in the bonus seem dead way too frequently but when you're starting off with that many I'd have expected better.

What site are you playing on? You've got the buy feature button visible? None of the UK sites I play on even have that showing.

 

[thediro]

Another

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

How do you hit so many features!!?? Dazza must have PM’d u his login details!!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I don't like the balance of that game. It's evident how much RTP is allocated to the gimmicky bonus round by the symbol values. They say a lot considering there's no major difference in the base gameplay between Falls and original Bonanza.

No difference?? Falls is way worse than the original!! Surely you’ve noticed that? It’s brutal.

 

[thediro]

Another wee one before bed

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Well - i thought f*** it (See Dazza im learning!)

£30 deposit

This is what i got after like 20+ spins?

Good or bad?

A 27 spin feature cones around about every 3 years of solid play. Obv urs wasnt the worse but in typical bonanza style the lottery odds of triggering it produce utter shite in comparison.

 

[M!ke]

No difference?? Falls is way worse than the original!! Surely you’ve noticed that? It’s brutal.

Oh, LOL, yeah, I worded that poorly. There's a very big difference in the base gameplay results.

What I meant was that the base game of Bonanza Falls doesn't have any gimmicks (like multiplied wilds or other modifiers) to justify the lower symbol values. All the gimmicks are in the bonus game, so the base game plays pretty terribly.

 

[lukey141]

Got 10 free spins and won £20. Decided to do some 40p spins on Christmas Bonanza with it because I don't want to bet so low on the regular version. Hit gold and for a fraction of the second thought YES then ofc hit +5 natural too and thought FFS this is going to suck. Low and behold it's a 45x. Typical. At least I'm up half a bet LOL. Just going to keep going I think.

Edit: Kept going and hit another natural and thankfully not +5 this time and what do you know it pays more. Still only 69x but hey £0 into £35 better than nothing. Dinner on the casino tomorrow I suppose

Edit 2: Well I guess that's what I get for not reading T&C. Winnings from free spins to be wagered 30x. You've got to be shitting me £600 total to wager minus whatever I've done already. I thought wagering was limited to 10x now? Or I guess it doesn't apply if they're literal free spins they've given out rather than tied to a deposit bonus.