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[ChopleyIOM]

Welcome to todays session bonanza fans!!

Back at paddy today as it’s the only place I can play until 1st Sep thanks to enforced limits etc..

Todays stat sheet at the ready and a good start in the base from a 75x deposit!!

Only 20p again today so we will know exactly the spin count when we check money in and out.

25 mins in and just the 1 tease tho

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That's the spirit!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Haha we are off to a flyer in the base today with a 150x hit from an ATW’s. Obviously 40 mins for 2 teases but I’ll take it.

On another note chop I’m gonna drop u a PM regarding some emulator stuff. Would be greatful if you could take a look please? Even tho you probably won’t like it!!!

 

[Jono777]

Bah, Ipswich Town, sore subject right now

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

We are flying Jono!!!

We hit the 1hr mark and the stats are at this!!

Still £15 ahead due to the base and still no feature…..

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Oh 1hr and 5 mins in we hit our 1st feature via a roll in. And it’s finally a half decent one.

Currently sat at £48 ahead. Cmon paddy prove me wrong!!!!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Mother of Pearl it’s another feature at the 1hr 19 minute mark via a Dazza drop.

But back to normal I’m afraid. Punishment for hitting a good feature is to immediately bring u back under the average radar over the 2.

 

[snorky510238]

It's not about having an agenda, I have no dog in this race, and I'm certainly not coming out to bat for BTG, who I think make dreadful games on the whole with appalling maths models, and whose slots I regularly subjected to substantial criticism on my previous YT channel where I did a lot of online slots content.

This is why I'm bringing stats to the table, because ultimately, when it comes to stuff like this, it's all about the data and what it shows. Claiming yourself to be 'exceptionally perceptive' (I guess we'll just take your word for that too?) and therefore by extension you don't need any proof for any of your claims is straight into flat earth territory.

As recently as April 2022, Muppet was telling us how well he was doing on the game, with way above average feature frequency and feature pays, so did BTG turn the old servers back on for a bit by accident, since apparently it got nuked from orbit in April 2021?

And I guess all those people here at CM who got their asses kicked by Bonanza right from the start were playing a version of the game that had dropped through a wormhole from the future? (And again, we don't need to be 'exceptionally perceptive' to find evidence of this, 'cause it's all there, with their own stats, in this thread, anyone can go back and look at it.)

I'd quite like it if I could find any data that leaned towards Bonanza having been changed over the years, because that would be rather interesting, but in the absence of any evidence beyond, 'Trust me bro, I know', I'm not going to start making stuff up.

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If I am not mistaken (can’t be bothered trawling through), even though you say most of your sessions are what you would expect. Didn’t you bust out on all of them below rtp?

 

[snorky510238]

Oh 1hr and 5 mins in we hit our 1st feature via a roll in. And it’s finally a half decent one.

Currently sat at £48 ahead. Cmon paddy prove me wrong!!!!

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Still waiting for your rtp, I assume.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I’ve emailed them again. After this session I’ll get on chat again also.

Yes still waiting.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Feature number 3 at the 1hr 55 min mark. L no. 24 courtesy of another Dazza drop. Starting with a 21x kicker we have the following.

Now 2hrs in all together we are sitting pretty with a £72 profit which is the Billy Hills money back. We soldier on……

 

[The Viking]

This thread reminds me of this nursery goes around and around

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Final feature before I bailed was shite considering a retrigger.

Todays stats…..

1432 spins.

35 L’s
6 Cascade Chances
3 Big base wins (100x 25x and 126x)
2 ATW’s (1.75x and 150x)
4 features 3 from Dazza drops and 1 roll in with 1 retriggering. (152.5x 6.5x 143x and the retriggering feature giving 52x)

Left it a bullseye up.

A value session at last. Feature every 358 spins and an average of 88.5x

It’s something back from last night at least.

We build on that in the next session!!

Some value I feel on the nags today. Tuning into that and an 1hrs study before plotting my plan of attack. Will need the use of a few ‘friends’ accounts to secure a raise but I’m confident.

Take care all!!

May the fruits be with you.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I should add ….

RTP today 117.77%

£337.25 from £286.40 staked.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Not a bad result at all from a small deposit, and good to see some more stats recorded.

The way we end up with a big data sample, is to add lots of little samples together

I'm keeping an eye on the cashier at Rizk, next time they stick a bonus in there I'll take it and fire up the Bonanza Bus again.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If I am not mistaken (can’t be bothered trawling through), even though you say most of your sessions are what you would expect. Didn’t you bust out on all of them below rtp?

Yes but on none of those sessions did I hit any big features or decent number of mid-sized feature pays, so that's almost always going to be the case with a house edge of 4% grinding me down over thousands of spins. (My sessions were very 'average'.)

I know you know this, but for completeness, 'perfect' RTP for the slot (96% in this case) means it's made its money and we as the player, depending on the length of the session, have lost some or all of our money.

To get into a position of profit, and even more so to get into a position of withdrawal, means the numbers are going quite markedly in the player's direction, we really need to buck the odds a bit, the slot just needs to meet expected results to take our cash.

This is why I very much prefer to play with a bonus, as it gives the bankroll a cushion against what is, statistically speaking, likely to end up in a loss for the player.

 

[Jono777]

Dear BTG

Just a heads up to let you know, they're at it again over at Casinomeister, calling out Bonanza and accusing you and Evolution of all sorts.

Not my call but I'd strongly recommend you return to version 1.0, just for a day or two, until they calm down. Then you can quietly reinstate the gimped version in the small hours of the night.

Have a good weekend

Kind Regards

Mr. Chopley

 

[Schind]

If I am not mistaken (can’t be bothered trawling through), even though you say most of your sessions are what you would expect. Didn’t you bust out on all of them below rtp?

He says 'it's to be expected' after the fact but he never actually gives any figures.
I doubt he knows the standard deviation of the game so how can he knows what the expected parameters are?
Since July 24th I've done over 60,000 spins with an RTP of 88.62%. If the game has a standard deviation of 5.6 that's outside the parameters set by the UKGC.
The base game is at 75.42%, so acceptable, the bonuses have gone to pot. The average over the 140 bonuses in those 60,000 spins is 72 and the median is 42.4. The average is supposed to be 90.

 

[dunover]

He says 'it's to be expected' after the fact but he never actually gives any figures.
I doubt he knows the standard deviation of the game so how can he knows what the expected parameters are?
Since July 24th I've done over 60,000 spins with an RTP of 88.62%. If the game has a standard deviation of 5.6 that's outside the parameters set by the UKGC.
The base game is at 75.42%, so acceptable, the bonuses have gone to pot. The average over the 140 bonuses in those 60,000 spins is 72 and the median is 42.4. The average is supposed to be 90.

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The average bonus is 86x. It cannot be 90 as the bonus buy is 90x and is also paying long-term 96% of that amount.

Now your figures suggest either there's a hitherto unknown 94% RTP offering of the game or it's been misconfigured/audited as a lower-variance game. SG have it as 'medium to high' variance in their data sheet.

 

[snorky510238]

Watched the film SCUM for the first time the other night. I assume BTG will be appearing in the sequel. Hopefully on the receiving end of the greenhouse scene.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Harsh!!!

 

[snorky510238]

But fair.

 

[kennygamerboy]

Btg you're the best ? ?? played before work and it was a shit bonus till last Spin.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

He says 'it's to be expected' after the fact but he never actually gives any figures.
I doubt he knows the standard deviation of the game so how can he knows what the expected parameters are?
Since July 24th I've done over 60,000 spins with an RTP of 88.62%. If the game has a standard deviation of 5.6 that's outside the parameters set by the UKGC.
The base game is at 75.42%, so acceptable, the bonuses have gone to pot. The average over the 140 bonuses in those 60,000 spins is 72 and the median is 42.4. The average is supposed to be 90.

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I literally acknowledged that exact point a page or so back, so we can only work with the numbers we do know, and how the stats recorded stack up against them. We can also compare the stats we have from back in 2017/2018, to the stats being recorded today. I've readily conceded that these are not large enough data samples to draw any rock-solid conclusions, but they certainly lean strongly in a particular direction. (i.e. Bonanza's maths haven't changed over the years.)

Your stats over 60,000 spins are fairly grotty on feature pays, although feature frequency is running ahead of the curve at 1/428, and yes you're quite right, I can't tell you if your average feature pay is running outside of the bounds we'd expect, because we don't have that information about the slot's maths. You say yourself the base game is fine.

I'd be cross to be as adrift of RTP as you are after 60,000 spins, it'd be interesting to see how it compares to your play before July of this year though - what goes up must come down and all that....

 

[kennygamerboy]

Btg you're the best ? ?? played before work and it was a shit bonus till last Spin.

Also betway can't fault withdrawal times they paid out at 9am !

 

[pinnit2014]

That few grand will at least guarantee you 3 D's with an average bonus round of 43x

 

[TheAddict]

4 billion pages of shite followed by 4 billion pages of Chopper quoting himself. There's a pattern emerging on some of these threads

 

[ChopleyIOM]

4 billion pages of shite followed by 4 billion pages of Chopper quoting himself. There's a pattern emerging on some of these threads

We're trying to replicate the authentic BTG experience - endless annoying repetition, no satisfaction at the end of it, and ultimately wondering why you even bothered.

 

[OceansAbyss]

I literally acknowledged that exact point a page or so back, so we can only work with the numbers we do know, and how the stats recorded stack up against them. We can also compare the stats we have from back in 2017/2018, to the stats being recorded today. I've readily conceded that these are not large enough data samples to draw any rock-solid conclusions, but they certainly lean strongly in a particular direction. (i.e. Bonanza's maths haven't changed over the years.)

Your stats over 60,000 spins are fairly grotty on feature pays, although feature frequency is running ahead of the curve at 1/428, and yes you're quite right, I can't tell you if your average feature pay is running outside of the bounds we'd expect, because we don't have that information about the slot's maths. You say yourself the base game is fine.

I'd be cross to be as adrift of RTP as you are after 60,000 spins, it'd be interesting to see how it compares to your play before July of this year though - what goes up must come down and all that....

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I honestly think trying to make conclusions based on 60,000 spins worth of data is pointless. On a high variance game like bonanza, you would need at least several million spins completed to even come close to having any useful data, or expecting to be close to RTP. At 60,000 spins you could easily have only 50% RTP.

As we all know, very long dead runs can happen and 60k spins is a small sample size.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[slot_zombie]

I can't tell you if your average feature pay is running outside of the bounds we'd expect, because we don't have that information about the slot's maths.

Cost of Bonus Buy, minus house edge, will give you the average to be expected.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

If the bonus buy version of the feature is the same as the original of course.

 

[cncas2123]

Bonanza doing what it does best…. Still the same shite 5 years later

 

[snorky510238]

Ladies and gentleman, Bonanza has left the building. (Or so it seems).

 

[paul7388]

Ladies and gentleman, Bonanza has left the building. (Or so it seems).

Bonanza is so yesterdays news.

From what i have read its all about Ted Megaways now.

 

[dunover]

Bonanza is so yesterdays news.

From what i have read its all about Ted Megaways now.

BEWARE! of cheap imitations.

 

[snorky510238]

BEWARE! of cheap imitations.

Easy to spot, they only say “flipping hell” and “sod it”.

 

[cncas2123]

My partner just hit this, wonder if it will break a tenner….

 

[dunover]

My partner just hit this, wonder if it will break a tenner….

Never had 8-scatters in 7 years nearly of the game. @PMKFRUITPRO did and got rodgered, as did I for even less than him (albeit bonus-buy demo).

So it will either be sub-100x or in the 3-400x range as all the others I've seen have been either of those.

 

[cncas2123]

My partner just hit this, wonder if it will break a tenner….

First spin gave 3 carts, so in the end 37 spins for x 555

 

[dunover]

First spin gave 3 carts, so in the end 37 spins for x 555

So pro-rata for 32 spins just north of 460x, so I was in the right ball park.

Shocking overall IMO for the rarity of a 37-spin bonus.

How many bogus wilds above reel 2 did you get?

The terminal multiplier was a bit shit too. Don't tell me, the multiplier took ages to get going to ensure you had as few spins as possible on a high one?

 

[cncas2123]

So pro-rata for 32 spins just north of 460x, so I was in the right ball park.

Shocking overall IMO for the rarity of a 37-spin bonus.

How many bogus wilds above reel 2 did you get?

The terminal multiplier was a bit shit too. Don't tell me, the multiplier took ages to get going to ensure you had as few spins as possible on a high one?

To be honest it was more carts as blockers, and the multiplier kept pace with the spins up to around the 15 x mark. Two decent wins made up about £80 of the win, mostly it was 3 OAK 9/10’s.
She’s doing alright, a £50 deposit two nights ago gave £190 bonus on bonanza on 40p and a £150 bonus straight after on 60p on diamond mine leading to a £450 withdrawal.

 

[dunover]

To be honest it was more carts as blockers, and the multiplier kept pace with the spins up to around the 15 x mark. Two decent wins made up about £80 of the win, mostly it was 3 OAK 9/10’s.
She’s doing alright, a £50 deposit two nights ago gave £190 bonus on bonanza on 40p and a £150 bonus straight after on 60p on diamond mine leading to a £450 withdrawal.

Watch it, @PMKFRUITPRO will be accusing her of using my version of the game.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Nobody can be as spawny as you Dazza.

It’s simply not programmed into any other members of the human race.

 

[Sprocket]

God bless Bonanza
Was a normal 12 spin trigger too

 

[The Viking]

not as big as Sprocket there but ill take it this morning

 

[AdamBetsMax]

I had 32 spins once for 720x (forgive the title, at the time I never saw 32 spins before):

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[johnnymcc1966]

My gameplay on Bonanza at Lottomart is absolutely ridiculous lately. I'm not blaming the casino for this,but I've never seen so many endless dead spins and micro wins. I even ocassionally close the game down and re-open it and it still happens. I play elsewhere just to make sure that there are Bonanza games where they do pay wins occasionally and they do,just not here. It seems similar with Opal Fruits too. They are my two go to slots but it's a waste of my money to try them there. I even had a good run at Casushi on just £20 and Bally Casino(formely Megaways Casino) with £30 and again no bonus but a good bit of playing time which I just dont seem to be getting now at Lottomart. It's very strange that its this bad for me.

 

[snorky510238]

I am convinced that there are different versions, despite what the cover says. It is so easy to do and let’s not forget (before the “rose tinted glassers” come out in abundance), we do have proof of this.

 

[Jono777]

Don't get to play this as much as "back in the day" due to numerous reasons lol, 20p a bit out of my league nowadays.

Not see this on my PC screen, ooh we're talking years!

3 cascades after GOLD had rolled straight in, each one added a +5

Jon, prepare for rage and disappointment

 

[dunover]

I predict 185x bet.

 

[goatwack]

62.5x