New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[nutnut]

It ain't getting my money atm. I did keep one account open purely before I get bonus offers but I'm too disgusted by this filth to even waste 20 on it.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Those are the 'all time' stats, not a specific time period.

Ok well clearly the sort of players that use "slot tracker" are the sort that are trying to hit big by gambling features, as its unlikely it would be that low by collecting features as even the base game provides more than 50%

 

[Reelsoffun]

Where did we get the average bonus is x100 from? I am guilty of quoting it myself but I only did so on hearsay. Have we anything set in stone on this?

It seems a bit strange to give an average for a slot with billions of possibilities and x100 seems a bit convenient also. Unless they thought nobody will question it.

Another noticeable thing is that in the first year a x20+ multiplier was not uncommon, yet nowadays they are rarely seen. If it was random we shouldn’t see a difference long term, if it was compensated you would.

Oh and on a side note this game was originally going to be called “Chasin’ and the GOLDen Fleece” but BTG thought players might latch on. “Chasin’ and the GOL_en Thief” would have been fairly apt.

Im not sure where the 100x average came from either but TBH it seems to fit with the data.

How is it strange? it really dont matter if its 32,000 combin or 3.2 trillion an average can still be calculated.

Lets get one thing straight, im not saying your wrong as I certainly had things happen in the past to point to that some were compensated, and even took advantage of some that were. But with no real proof and very little chance of getting any we're just gonna have to accept it for what it is, gambling to which there is a house edge and we are very unlikely to win long term.

Finally when people say that things have changed in the last 10+ years that playtime has reduced, maybe its because back then if you played £2+ you was considered a high roller and 10p - 40p was the norm these days your considered a low roller if your betting lower than £2

I was literally only discussing this with my mate last night.......

10 years ago he used to play IR on 30p and very occasionally 60p+ if had a win and always deposited £30 -£50

These days he rarely plays less than 60p+ yet still only deposits £30-£50 at a time and complains his deps dont last as long as the good old days, Its not rocket science in his case of whats really going on LOL

 

[Greigssy]

4 deposits in 4 days, Bonanza playing dog shit and just the usual slow death but at least I get some extended play on that base game wise.

Still trying to see why some prefer Opal Fruits, base game does nothing and 19 out of my last 20 bonuses have been 3x-15x bet. Harder to bonus on than Bonanza sometimes.
I've tried other slots by different providers and no matter where I play it's shit. DOA 2 and it's never ending 5x-6x bonus awards, slots have got boring and too predictable.

Red Tiger and Blueprint are ripping the piss with their slots and I'm sure the slot's reach the advertised RTP in a nice computer generated trillion outcomes to please the 'auditors' but there is no way they reach that in real life, they wont get that much plays they are that poor.
Do slots get audited in real time?

 

[snorky510238]

Im not sure where the 100x average came from either but TBH it seems to fit with the data.

How is it strange? it really dont matter if its 32,000 combin or 3.2 trillion an average can still be calculated.

Lets get one thing straight, im not saying your wrong as I certainly had things happen in the past to point to that some were compensated, and even took advantage of some that were. But with no real proof and very little chance of getting any we're just gonna have to accept it for what it is, gambling to which there is a house edge and we are very unlikely to win long term.

Finally when people say that things have changed in the last 10+ years that playtime has reduced, maybe its because back then if you played £2+ you was considered a high roller and 10p - 40p was the norm these days your considered a low roller if your betting lower than £2

I was literally only discussing this with my mate last night.......

10 years ago he used to play IR on 30p and very occasionally 60p+ if had a win and always deposited £30 -£50

These days he rarely plays less than 60p+ yet still only deposits £30-£50 at a time and complains his deps dont last as long as the good old days, Its not rocket science in his case of whats really going on LOL

What I meant was to find an average you need two fixed extremes. Your low and high so 2 and 12 you know the average is 7. Therefore it is strange to me that you can give an average when your extremes are 0 and potentially unknown.

Unless of course there is a cap in place but no surely we wouldn’t be misled in that way.

 

[CC07]

Bonanza and I are friends again!

 

[pinnit2014]

That’s it broke for another month.

 

[goatwack]

Nice to see I've been funding my fellow CMer's good hits as of late

I'm literally welling up with pride here

 

[Reelsoffun]

What I meant was to find an average you need two fixed extremes. Your low and high so 2 and 12 you know the average is 7. Therefore it is strange to me that you can give an average when your extremes are 0 and potentially unknown.

Unless of course there is a cap in place but no surely we wouldn’t be misled in that way.

Not quite, its not just the extremes you need its all the ones in between, but i get what you mean.

 

[snorky510238]

Not quite, its not just the extremes you need its all the ones in between, but i get what you mean.

Yes obviously but if the top end of extreme isn’t known then an average cannot be given.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yes obviously but if the top end of extreme isn’t known then an average cannot be given.

I would expect who ever said the 100x either ran millions of simulated results or just kept track of all their own results, like i have, so you can do the average.

Out of curiosity i crunched the numbers of my friends data and his is slightly better than mine and came out at 104x average on 624 features total.

 

[goatwack]

Hmmm, one could be inclined to believe that £15-20 bonus rounds off 20p seems about right, on average, having played 'a few' of the bastards.

However, given how my last six or seven bonuses have yielded sub-20xs, I have the utmost confidence it will make good, and grant me 3000x sooner than you know

 

[Reelsoffun]

Hmmm, one could be inclined to believe that £15-20 bonus rounds off 20p seems about right, on average, having played 'a few' of the bastards.

However, given how my last six or seven bonuses have yielded sub-20xs, I have the utmost confidence it will make good, and grant me 3000x sooner than you know

Maybe crack open Excel and start tracking all your features, it might surprise you that your average could be higher than you think?

 

[goatwack]

Maybe crack open Excel and start tracking all your features, it might surprise you that your average could be higher than you think?

I'm confident over the 2+ years I've played it my bonuses have been fairly decent overall, with the mean (speculatively) being around £20 easily, maybe £25.

Keeping records would be interesting for sure but perhaps pointless at this stage, with all the highs & lows endured. What I do remember at this juncture however, is that it's doing a right number on me. My average at present is about £3 per bonus!!

 

[Reelsoffun]

Rough and smooth of averages, for every one of these......

you could expect to get one of these lol

As these equate to an average of 99x so not as bad as it feels.

 

[snorky510238]

That’s the other thing though (and I know it sounds like splitting hairs) but to get a mean average of 100 from a source that has billions of possibilities you could only really expect to hit the average after trillions of bonuses.

The same as rtp really so for everyone to be trundling along at around 95% rtp and an average of x100 in bonus rounds after analysing a sample way way below the necessary amount to be able to conduct a conclusive result seems a bit more like controlled to me.

 

[nutnut]

100% bonus offer but cant play till 10pm. Had few days off so will chuck a match 20 offer just to remind myself how shit it is.

Not missed it tbh and given only 1 screenshot of note over last 4 day it seems I've saved a lot of cash closing so many accounts.

So ty bonanza you bastard!

 

[snorky510238]

100% bonus offer but cant play till 10pm. Had few days off so will chuck a match 20 offer just to remind myself how shit it is.

Not missed it tbh and given only 1 screenshot of note over last 4 day it seems I've saved a lot of cash closing so many accounts.

So ty bonanza you bastard!

If you just need reminding then save your £20 and I will do it for free.

IT’S SHIT.

 

[goatwack]

Bonanza is the ultimate blue touch paper when it comes to reasons to close casino accounts.

It's single-handedly led to at least 5 closures that I can recall. Sorry casinos, it's not particularly all your fault, but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes

 

[Reelsoffun]

That’s the other thing though (and I know it sounds like splitting hairs) but to get a mean average of 100 from a source that has billions of possibilities you could only really expect to hit the average after trillions of bonuses.

The same as rtp really so for everyone to be trundling along at around 95% rtp and an average of x100 in bonus rounds after analysing a sample way way below the necessary amount to be able to conduct a conclusive result seems a bit more like controlled to me.

Again I see your point but feature averages tend to manifest themselves way quicker than RTP on most slots.

 

[nutnut]

Bonanza is the ultimate blue touch paper when it comes to reasons to close casino accounts.

It's single-handedly led to at least 5 closures that I can recall. Sorry casinos, it's not particularly all your fault, but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes

Very weird the effect the game has on you, I've never had a single game ever time out a account yet this bastard has had every single account timed out or deposit limited at some point.

I truly believe it should come with a warning.

 

[snorky510238]

Again I see your point but feature averages tend to manifest themselves way quicker than RTP on most slots.

Yes which would suggest it’s choosing from limited parameters when you consider the variables that should be possible.

Given billions of combinations per reel set and I don’t know how many of these there is. When you think about it using different reel sets is a way of controlling a max payout per set therefore the max achievable would be known.

Extremely complex to work out manually I admit but with the formula used, if you knew it relatively simple.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

How on earth do you hit monsters like that 2nd pic ffs

 

[Luckyscouser45]

Thought I would give my two pence worth. I’ve not hit a bonus on bonanza on paddy power for nearly 1 month and a bit it stinks to high heaven of the R word I haven’t over played it just dipped in and out but would think I would hit a bonus on it at some point but I genuinely think the bonus is broken on paddy power since my £350 win. Other games not too bad however taking the piss to bonus eg wwtmba was normally easy to bonus and opal fruits however all Playing ok in base game but bonuses taking an absolute age to appear

 

[goatwack]

Gotta admit, that 1.1x did provoke a tinge of jealousy

 

[goatwack]

Thought I would give my two pence worth. I’ve not hit a bonus on bonanza on paddy power for nearly 1 month and a bit it stinks to high heaven of the R word I haven’t over played it just dipped in and out but would think I would hit a bonus on it at some point but I genuinely think the bonus is broken on paddy power since my £350 win. Other games not too bad however taking the piss to bonus eg wwtmba was normally easy to bonus and opal fruits however all Playing ok in base game but bonuses taking an absolute age to appear

Bonuses have been at a premium, and paid peanuts

Quite a toxic combo

 

[snorky510238]

Thought I would give my two pence worth. I’ve not hit a bonus on bonanza on paddy power for nearly 1 month and a bit it stinks to high heaven of the R word I haven’t over played it just dipped in and out but would think I would hit a bonus on it at some point but I genuinely think the bonus is broken on paddy power since my £350 win. Other games not too bad however taking the piss to bonus eg wwtmba was normally easy to bonus and opal fruits however all Playing ok in base game but bonuses taking an absolute age to appear

I know Bonanza like the back of my hand and if you go back a couple of months @Jono777 and I were discussing how the bonus had seemingly become much easier to hit.

It definitely had but we thought there would be a backlash and this is it. It’s a very clever ploy by providers IMO. Increase the frequency of bonus rounds but bring the average win down accordingly so rtp remains the same. Keep it that way until everyone is lulled into that false sense of security then bang change it completely the other way.

Remember triggering the bonus is the drug and it works the same way get everybody hooked as cheaply as possible and then charge what you like, they will keep coming for more.

That may sound cynical and far fetched but remember this is a cutthroat multi billion pound business, we shouldn’t be naive enough to think casinos and providers have our best interests at heart. They want as much as possible from you with the least amount of hassle possible.

 

[goatwack]

I know Bonanza like the back of my hand and if you go back a couple of months @Jono777 and I were discussing how the bonus had seemingly become much easier to hit.

It definitely had but we thought there would be a backlash and this is it. It’s a very clever ploy by providers IMO. Increase the frequency of bonus rounds but bring the average win down accordingly so rtp remains the same. Keep it that way until everyone is lulled into that false sense of security then bang change it completely the other way.

Remember triggering the bonus is the drug and it works the same way get everybody hooked as cheaply as possible and then charge what you like, they will keep coming for more.

That may sound cynical and far fetched but remember this is a cutthroat multi billion pound business, we shouldn’t be naive enough to think casinos and providers have our best interests at heart. They want as much as possible from you with the least amount of hassle possible.

Well yes, that is the undoubtedly the hook. Chase the dragon/ bonus and ram that into players' consciousness, so that getting G-O-L-D becomes the be-all and end-all, despite even knowing it's likely to be underwhelming, and that regular players will know how the base game performs more consistently!

Then they can string out the wait in between bonuses to their heart's content, as we'd be likely to strive for it at any cost. F*ck knows I've chased that game in a hypnotic trance often enough

 

[mina1929]

Last week I had about ten bonuses from a deposit of $30 and payed mainly 20's and highest was about 40.

I couldn't believe the amount of times the GOLD hit but very low payouts betting from 0.20 to 0.40

 

[brianmon]

Last night's bonus dropped in quite quickly, and paid appropriately.
So yet again I switched to DOA in disgust.

33x

2513x

 

[goatwack]

I can see why that would be considered an inspired decision

 

[nutnut]

40 quid at 60p spins gone in.less than 120 spins. Absolute piss take

 

[brianmon]

And, tonight's bonus....

3x

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Had a few of those myself recently.

Disgraceful.

You know they’re coming, the minimal ways and top level waited with scatters and gems.

How many times during those shit bonuses do you need a gem(normally red) to cascade in and it never does!! Yet the fuckers are everywhere to block everything else.

Sometimes feels more waited than the GOH reels on danger.

 

[snorky510238]

Remember nothing has changed these appalling bonus rounds that everyone is experiencing are purely coincidental because that’s how random works right.

BULLSHIT.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well, people can call me a tinfoilhatter if they want... but I played this game religiously now for 9 months and while it was a mixed bag of bonuses the first couple of months atleast there were some great ones mixed in with shite ones. Over summer we should've probably all hammered it on max bet because obviously something was going on with the game being more generous in bonus frequency and payout, all of a sudden September comes around and 30x is a "great" bonus.

I don't like to admit this but I also play it on demo quite a bit (less than on real play mind you) and the amount of big basegame hits and over 100x bonuses I've had there in the past 2-3 months are humongous... Sure, I've also had bad streaks but the profit would far outweigh the losses. In real play it's vice versa.

 

[sufferinsilence]

And while I was typing that I got a bonus in demo. Been playing for about 20 minutes and as you know the balance starts at 2000 in demo so I was still up from some nice basegame hits when the bonus drops in and sure enough it's over 100x again I could've used this when I was playing with real funds earlier this weekend...

 

[pinnit2014]

Well, people can call me a tinfoilhatter if they want... but I played this game religiously now for 9 months and while it was a mixed bag of bonuses the first couple of months atleast there were some great ones mixed in with shite ones. Over summer we should've probably all hammered it on max bet because obviously something was going on with the game being more generous in bonus frequency and payout, all of a sudden September comes around and 30x is a "great" bonus.

I don't like to admit this but I also play it on demo quite a bit (less than on real play mind you) and the amount of big basegame hits and over 100x bonuses I've had there in the past 2-3 months are humongous... Sure, I've also had bad streaks but the profit would far outweigh the losses. In real play it's vice versa.

I think the same...non statistical analysis, just my informal view, is that a while ago (whilst the bonus round were as shite as they are now), it did have bigger wins peppered in between them. Now the gulf between the big wins has widened. To quite a considerable extent IMO.

Over the last few months I've kinda fallen out of amour with it. I still play it but now it's 40ps on a 20 depo and increase if i get up - as opposed to doing multiple deposits of 100 to try and win it.

Suppose the love affair had to come to an end some day.

 

[snorky510238]

Well, people can call me a tinfoilhatter if they want... but I played this game religiously now for 9 months and while it was a mixed bag of bonuses the first couple of months atleast there were some great ones mixed in with shite ones. Over summer we should've probably all hammered it on max bet because obviously something was going on with the game being more generous in bonus frequency and payout, all of a sudden September comes around and 30x is a "great" bonus.

I don't like to admit this but I also play it on demo quite a bit (less than on real play mind you) and the amount of big basegame hits and over 100x bonuses I've had there in the past 2-3 months are humongous... Sure, I've also had bad streaks but the profit would far outweigh the losses. In real play it's vice versa.

This has happened without doubt. You wouldn’t think it was the same game it has changed beyond recognition.

 

[goatwack]

Let's just all play this rancid tramp of a game in Demo mode and be done with it. Hey, Demo and Real play identically so we'd get the same fun & frolics but save oodles of cash!!

It also has the dual effect of preventing BTG stealing players' money

 

[pinnit2014]

Preparing for the U.K. Max Cap.

20ps all the way, I’m a convert.

 

[pinnit2014]

Nope, now i'm not.

On the plus side, it was looking like a one X'er

 

[sufferinsilence]

Sometimes even 20p is way too much for this beast!

 

[brianmon]

I thought this was going to be a decent one. I'd got to 190x and an 11x multiplier by the 4th spin. But once it reached 201x, the dead spins arrived, all 15 of them.

Luckily I recorded it, and will upload later.
But for now, here's the breakdown
spin £
1 - 0.19
2 - 0.12
3 - 0.30
4 - 37.41
5 - 0
6 - 2.14
7 - 0
8 - 0
9 - 0.65
10 - 0
11 - 0
12 - 0
13 - 0
14 - 0
15 - 0
16 - 0
17 - 0
18 - 0
19 - 0
20 - 0
21 - 0.56
22 - 0

Edit: Uploaded the video

 

[sufferinsilence]

That is disgusting, there are no other words for it...

 

[pinnit2014]

10-22 with 56p?

Sweet Baby Jesus

 

[Jono777]

10-22 with 56p?

Sweet Baby Jesus

Yet it is all random ....

 

[pinnit2014]

rolled i

n....here comes the 5000x

 

[pinnit2014]

Nearly....

 

[nutnut]

That bonus is disgusting and proof its rigged as fuck once multi gets certain level. How can you have so many shit dead spins like that,

Also pinnit it must hurt landing all those bonuses on 20p! but on brightside if you was spinning at 60p you wouldn't trigger any!