New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[pinnit2014]

I've had the exact same issue @mcgameboy , ran so great over the summer and then September and October have been brutal. Until last night that is, all of a sudden I had a huge kickback. The really bad spell in September made me question too what I was doing, so much even I didn't play that much this month and most of my play wasn't even a little entertaining. I probably started out a little too confident in September, as you often do after a big win but I soon saw it only went downhill even when I was more hesitant in deposits and betsizes.

If you stop when your gambling kitty is empty, don't dip into other funds and wait until you have "entertainment" money again to gamble I don't think you have a problem. Problematic chasing, as you call it, is when you do that or dip into your savings or even worse go into debt to chase your savings back. Well, imo

Are you saying taking out a 998 per cent interest loan, is not the norm?

Here's me thinking everyone did it

 

[pinnit2014]

On a non Bonanza note, just got a wildline in DOA.

Yeh!

On the last spin :machinegunner:

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I’ve almost given up on DOA2.

Over 500 bonuses and only came close 3 times. Still can’t hit one.

Again, thankfully all on tiny stakes but thank god i wasn’t going at it on larger ones.

Would have been well into 5 figures otherwise.

 

[snorky510238]

I was not expecting to read that....not from you anyway. I'm rather shocked tbh, because I had you down as a fairly disciplined player.
One can only assume that you're running so badly....that your entertainment value must be somewhere around 0.5 out of 10.

But I have to be honest. I don't want to tell you how much I have lost this month.
When I actually stopped and checked, I was horrified. Not to mention being utterly disgusted with myself.
To the extent that I am actually wondering...."have I now got a gambling problem?"
Or is it a combination of three problems,namely....
1. a temporary, but longer than usual spell of sustained bad luck
2. a temporary, but also very severe loss of discipline.
3. having too much funds (I ran particularly well in both July and August, which swelled my gambling kitty to record high levels)
readily available, which can potentially enable "problematic chasing".

Either way.....it's got me slightly rattled and has given me massive food for thought.
I still have some funds left in my gambling kitty, but if the rough spell continues and my kitty is soon empty,
then I will have no hesitation in doing a total shutdown of slotting for the rest of the year. And possibly beyond.
There's no chance in hell I am topping it up.

And the thing is....I can't even blame it on Bonanza. Because it has accounted for a fairly small percentage of those losses.

Yes I too am disappointed with my lack of discipline and the points you have made are totally valid and reiterate exactly what I am thinking and how I feel.

Tbh I deposited more than I should of knowing I was going to lose that is something that goes against all my principles so that worried me. I also ran pretty well in the summer and yes this is a complete turnaround.

My problem is (and again I know people will say that’s how random works) that you can’t have 3 months of games playing at a certain consistency and then 2 months solid of every game playing about 5 levels below unless something is being controlled.

As for my gameplay you are right it has been 0.5 out of 10. My bonus rounds have been few and far between and when I do hit them they are just atrocious and not just Bonanza.

Here is last nights session on Millionaire plus the top 2 from Sunday. Is this FairPlay or something more sinister?

 

[pinnit2014]

Jesus Snorky, they’re some scummy screenshots.

Ive not been playing on it near as much as I used to. I’d rather lose it on the other games and sleep sounder knowing that another providers got my losses ;-)

Even spinning on 10ps just to have a half decent run with a deposit. Quite refreshing rather than, one night,spunking best part of 1500 chasing a bonus on bonanza on two quids

 

[snorky510238]

Jesus Snorky, they’re some scummy screenshots.

Ive not been playing on it near as much as I used to. I’d rather lose it on the other games and sleep sounder knowing that another providers got my losses ;-)

Even spinning on 10ps just to have a half decent run with a deposit. Quite refreshing rather than, one night,spunking best part of 1500 chasing a bonus on bonanza on two quids

Yes and it doesn’t matter which slot I play or at which Casino! My gameplay has been utter trash for 2 months. What I have realised is this is not sustainable long term.

I now for sure that it is all contrived by what ever means. You simply can’t put horror show after horror show down to bad luck.

 

[Nate]

Jesus Snorky, they’re some scummy screenshots.

Ive not been playing on it near as much as I used to. I’d rather lose it on the other games and sleep sounder knowing that another providers got my losses ;-)

Even spinning on 10ps just to have a half decent run with a deposit. Quite refreshing rather than, one night,spunking best part of 1500 chasing a bonus on bonanza on two quids

The screenshots are not scummy - Big Time Gaming is scummy.

Now.... watch a KANGAROO drive off in the Tesla with a 76 000x win on Bonanza.

 

[myke35]

I used to think Bonanza had golden hours or days, evenings etc. but it just feels like a lottery now & even if you get a winning ticket you have to play another sub-lottery to see what type of payout you get & that can be anything from as small as a few pence.

 

[nutnut]

Please give this piece of crap up and boycott BGT. It is legal fleecing and when you hit x 500 you will have 10 times that and more before you hit it.

It's a great game and best slot ever but last few months are not random and something has changed in the game. Enough was enough for me.

 

[brianmon]

I deposited at ABC to play Bonanza Early on Tuesday.
But it was eating my balance so fast, that I stopped playing and used my last £10 on DOA. Which gave me a wildline.
Unfortunately I missed getting a screenshot. But got this from my play history

I very much doubt that, had I carried on playing Bonanza, that it would have given me a 3033x win

 

[goatwack]

It's no secret that this slot plays completely different after it pays out, it's been doing it since the dawn of time. It's programmed to do just that, it just happens to be really bad at disguising it (I won't mention the 'C word', though I believe it is another type of C word)

So as its patterns are quite clearly CYCLICAL all one can do is hope to be in the right place at the right time. But as for the notion "Ooh look my £20 deposit is going to get me lots and lots of fair random play".........errrr 'nah'

 

[snorky510238]

The one thing I will say is that because Bonanza has been so bad lately I have played other slots a lot more but even when Bonanza is so bad it still beats most others (not that’s an accolade in any way).

I have said it before that Bonanza is scrutinised because of its popularity (not that I am defending it in any way, the last 2 months have been truly disgusting) but merely making comparisons it is still better than the vast majority of shite out there. That is why I think providers churn out games like there is no tomorrow because if you think about logically if there was just one game hypothetically we would all get our heads together and work out if any shenanigans were taking place.

When there is 2,000 slots out there it’s hard to compile evidence and draw definite conclusions (for most). The reason Bonanza comes in for a lot of stick is because it’s longevity is miles ahead of most games. I virtually guarantee if we all said right we will all play game x for 6 months the results would be the same or a lot worse.

Like I said I am not defending it, more pointing out that all slots play this way. As time goes by less people play the games and move to something new, resulting in the volume of money being played through dropping so the payouts go with it.

The more crap providers turn out the harder it is for people to realise what is going on. They merely think I got unlucky and try something else but when 1 game gets so much attention it becomes obvious what is happening.

I don’t think it’s just volume of money, I think the goalposts are moved aswell. I don’t believe rtp can be controlled by simple maths alone. The combinations possible for a megaways game runs into billions so to get a true average for rtp we would need to fire trillions upon trillions of spins through it. Much more likely that it just runs as it is and then gets taken down to adjust a few things to bring it back inline (I am trying to give the benefit of the doubt regarding compensated but I’m bloody struggling). If a provider brings out a game that isn’t a hit (take your pick from 1,900 of them) then if it keeps 50% of what it takes they can just argue that it only had 750,000 spins played through it and if had reached the billion mark it would have levelled out.

What I am saying is like it or not your gameplay is controlled. By what means exactly I don’t know (probably a combination of most of the theories mentioned previously) but it is IMO.

 

[Guntis]

What I am saying is like it or not your gameplay is controlled.

They can say it's all random and nothing is controlled but It's clearly obvious that bonus and big win frequency somehow has been reduced.

 

[snorky510238]

They can say it's all random and nothing is controlled but It's clearly obvious that bonus and big win frequency somehow has been reduced.

I wish I had videoed my gameplay and collected all my stats for the last 2 months. It would certainly be rated 18 (definitely a video nasty) and when I say an absolute disgrace I am being very restrained.

I checked some of my deposit history and up until 2 months ago I was consistently withdrawing once for every 8 deposits. That was almost like clockwork for a year (not always a profit but not great losses either)

My current tally for the last 2 months is currently 2 withdrawals for 114 deposits (average £15). I could have probably bumped that up to 7 if I had taken another 5 around the £100 mark but even so in terms of plotting a graph to monitor my ratio, I would have gone from a very slightly bumpy road to plunging straight off the edge of a cliff and into the sea.

 

[sufferinsilence]

It was playing reasonably well last 2 times I tried but I'm not playing it on a daily basis anymore... Those 2 visits were in around a 10 day timeframe instead.

But just give that newest Yggdrasil Age of Asgard a go and then compare to Bonanza, it's like day and night with Bonanza atleast giving you playtime and Asgard constantly missing the 3rd scatter or on the wild respins not hitting anything at all, not even talking about the basegame that's at best giving 3oak of the low paying symbols. Think I've done something like 500 spins on it when it came out and my best win was 15x when the wild hit for once

 

[pinnit2014]

I thought it was gonna be a good one but just never fulfilled its potential

 

[goatwack]

I thought it was gonna be a good one but just never fulfilled its potential

-BTG

 

[Reelsoffun]

I wish I had videoed my gameplay and collected all my stats for the last 2 months. It would certainly be rated 18 (definitely a video nasty) and when I say an absolute disgrace I am being very restrained.

I checked some of my deposit history and up until 2 months ago I was consistently withdrawing once for every 8 deposits. That was almost like clockwork for a year (not always a profit but not great losses either)

My current tally for the last 2 months is currently 2 withdrawals for 114 deposits (average £15). I could have probably bumped that up to 7 if I had taken another 5 around the £100 mark but even so in terms of plotting a graph to monitor my ratio, I would have gone from a very slightly bumpy road to plunging straight off the edge of a cliff and into the sea.

I wish you had collected ya stats too just to see if there is actually anything in it...... People always say stuff has changed blah blah but we cant take anything serious without true stats.

What i have found strange tho is for months in the past I sat here reading about how good bonanza was while seeing good features and base wins while I really got rubbish features long spells without any etc.

Yet lately people are complaining how bad it is massive periods without features and loads of under 50x ones, while all this time its played better or just the same as it always has for me.

My current average feature x value is currently 101x ( which i was led to believe is the average ) and unlike some people "guessing" there stats its not a guess i know its 101x

Remember people its not your deposits vs withdrawals that effect your RTP its your total play through. Every 1000 you physically play through a slot you should expect to lose around £50 on average give or take and depending on what your playing, random or not, compensated or not still the same.

You might of only made a deposit of 100 in a session but on a good session you could have played through in excess of a few thousand, making you mathematically ahead of the game and its only a matter of time before probabilities start to bite at your bank roll, and reduce your winnings, luck can only last so long before you succumb to the inevitable negative EV. Good luck slotting folks and remember gamble responsibly.

 

[goatwack]

^

Next he'll be saying 'When The Fun Stops, Stop'

 

[mack341]

I wish you had collected ya stats too just to see if there is actually anything in it...... People always say stuff has changed blah blah but we cant take anything serious without true stats.

What i have found strange tho is for months in the past I sat here reading about how good bonanza was while seeing good features and base wins while I really got rubbish features long spells without any etc.

Yet lately people are complaining how bad it is massive periods without features and loads of under 50x ones, while all this time its played better or just the same as it always has for me.

My current average feature x value is currently 101x ( which i was led to believe is the average ) and unlike some people "guessing" there stats its not a guess i know its 101x

Remember people its not your deposits vs withdrawals that effect your RTP its your total play through. Every 1000 you physically play through a slot you should expect to lose around £50 on average give or take and depending on what your playing, random or not, compensated or not still the same.

You might of only made a deposit of 100 in a session but on a good session you could have played through in excess of a few thousand, making you mathematically ahead of the game and its only a matter of time before probabilities start to bite at your bank roll, and reduce your winnings, luck can only last so long before you succumb to the inevitable negative EV. Good luck slotting folks and remember gamble responsibly.

The thing is if people do show their stats, and the rtp and feature frequency is low, then the charge is 'it's too small a sample' so they can't win. I wonder what the slot tracker community figures are for bonanza for the last few months, if it is possible to select a time frame. Bonanza has its moments but the whole drawn out character of the game is evil imo and will destroy previously sensible/happy players [Greigssy explains the drawbacks a lot better than me on page 587]

 

[pinnit2014]

Should have been another few plus 5's as was 5 cascades after plus 5 fell in....14x here i come

 

[pinnit2014]

30x in the bonus, pish

 

[snorky510238]

I just can’t have it that anything is random! I have seen so many coincidences as people like to call them that are just statistically almost impossible.

Here is one from the other evening. Bearing in mind I had played thousands of spins over the weekend and not hit a damn thing, I decided to play at a Casino I had left alone for a while because some games don’t load. Considering I was only going to play Bonanza and Millionaire it was okay because I know they load.

I login to find I had been awarded 1 free spin at the value of 10p and it offered me the option to play it straight away. Not knowing what game it was I pressed play it now only to find it was a Netent game which won’t load for me normally but this one did.

The game was Dracula and I remembered it from a couple of years back when I gave it a few spins. It is a very difficult game to trigger the bonus I remembered that much.

Low and behold “stone the crows the missus will never believe this one” and all that in drops the bonus and pays x250. Surpassing everything I had hit with last £500 and thousands of spins by a million miles.

Are you good people sure I can’t convince you it’s rigged?

 

[pinnit2014]

Least it was on the first spin

 

[brianmon]

The thing is if people do show their stats, and the rtp and feature frequency is low, then the charge is 'it's too small a sample' so they can't win. I wonder what the slot tracker community figures are for bonanza for the last few months, if it is possible to select a time frame. Bonanza has its moments but the whole drawn out character of the game is evil imo and will destroy previously sensible/happy players [Greigssy explains the drawbacks a lot better than me on page 587]

SlotTracker Community data...

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6 month

All Time

 

[brianmon]

The 'Golden Hour' is indeed back to midnight for me, although these days I consider it the 'Bronze Hour'

This amazing 64x win. Gave me a handsome profit of 58p over my starting balance

So now, I've had a bonus, I'm off to play something sensible

 

[Reelsoffun]

SlotTracker Community data...

1 month

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3 month

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All this shows is that very few people are using slot tracker but its near its RTP. I can do 50,000 spins a month on my own in a month, yet the tracker community only do 56,000 in a month between them?

As well as showing what we already know, its the low end of a med variance slot and not the HV beast people make it out to be, and needs to be played with that in mind.

 

[pinnit2014]

Only queens but still.

 

[brianmon]

All this shows is that very few people are using slot tracker but its near its RTP. I can do 50,000 spins a month on my own in a month, yet the tracker community only do 56,000 in a month between them?

As well as showing what we already know, its the low end of a med variance slot and not the HV beast people make it out to be, and needs to be played with that in mind.

Probably it's a case of not many SlotTracker users, playing Bonanza now.
Although I only posted the data because someone asked for it, My personal RTP on bonanza is 106% at the moment and 101% SRP. I can't complain too much.

Here's some BTG, SlotTracker community data for you then...

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire

Extra Chilli

Must be a hell of a lot of people gambling bonus spins and losing to get those figures

 

[sufferinsilence]

Only queens but still.
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270 ways if there was one on reel 2... Makes me want to

 

[sufferinsilence]

Probably it's a case of not many SlotTracker users, playing Bonanza now.
Although I only posted the data because someone asked for it, My personal RTP on bonanza is 106% at the moment and 101% SRP. I can't complain too much.

Here's some BTG, SlotTracker community data for you then...

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire
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Extra Chilli
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Must be a hell of a lot of people gambling bonus spins and losing to get those figures

What does SRP mean?

 

[brianmon]

What does SRP mean?

Statistical Return percentage.
It's like RTP but based on each spin, rather than the overall amount wagered.
It's an average RTP, so that the stake doesn't affect your RTP

My true RTP is 101%. But because I had a biggish win when playing at higher than my usual stakes, the RTP was skewed by it giving me 106%

 

[Reelsoffun]

Probably it's a case of not many SlotTracker users, playing Bonanza now.
Although I only posted the data because someone asked for it, My personal RTP on bonanza is 106% at the moment and 101% SRP. I can't complain too much.

Here's some BTG, SlotTracker community data for you then...

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire
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Extra Chilli
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Must be a hell of a lot of people gambling bonus spins and losing to get those figures

not really when we know that the average bonus x is lower than bonanza on those two, to allow for the 3 scatter trigger for example.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Statistical Return percentage.
It's like RTP but based on each spin, rather than the overall amount wagered.
It's an average RTP, so that the stake doesn't affect your RTP

My true RTP is 101%. But because I had a biggish win when playing at higher than my usual stakes, the RTP was skewed by it giving me 106%

Yes, this is another thing people don't factor when playing slots, you technically increase the variance of a slot ( your RTP ) when playing at different stakes.

Your RTP is purely money won / money wagered *100

I dont understand your comment saying that your RTP is 106% and 101% SRP on one bit then say your true RTP is 101% ???

Your true RTP is still 106% even if thats only because you have had a win on a higher stake.

 

[brianmon]

not really when we know that the average bonus x is lower than bonanza on those two, to allow for the 3 scatter trigger for example.

So you really think that an RTP of 55% over 505,000 spins is reasonable??

Forget the other stats, like average bonus

 

[brianmon]

Yes, this is another thing people don't factor when playing slots, you technically increase the variance of a slot ( your RTP ) when playing at different stakes.

Your RTP is purely money won / money wagered *100

I dont understand your comment saying that your RTP is 106% and 101% SRP on one bit then say your true RTP is 101% ???

Your true RTP is still 106% even if thats only because you have had a win on a higher stake.

I just explained it badly. I know what I meant, lol
I always find the SRP gives me a better indication of how a game is performing for me, rather than just the RTP

 

[sufferinsilence]

First time in a while I dedicated some more time to Bonanza: 3 bonuses, all 30x.. Fun times A case of: "should've left after the first one."

 

[pinnit2014]

270 ways if there was one on reel 2... Makes me want to

I know... cover up the reels in the cascade leaving only the right hand side waiting for them to disappear....

 

[Phenomoron]

Its unplayable at the moment due to speed of reels falling...anyone know why???

 

[pinnit2014]

Its unplayable at the moment due to speed of reels falling...anyone know why???

RTP just peaked at 93 percent which BTG deemed to be too high. Hence, corrective action was required.

Once it hits 89, it’ll be smooth again.

 

[Phenomoron]

RTP just peaked at 93 percent which BTG deemed to be too high. Hence, corrective action was required.

Once it hits 89, it’ll be smooth again.

Percent of?

 

[pinnit2014]

Percent of?

it’s been known to break when someone makes a withdrawal. 20 quid puts it out of commission for half a day

 

[Phenomoron]

Really

 

[myke35]

I heard Bonanza is going Trick or Treating tonight, well Tricking mostly :machinegunner: ;-)

 

[goatwack]

Tonight's Golden Hour is to be replaced with a Ghoulden Hour

True fact

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[Reelsoffun]

So you really think that an RTP of 55% over 505,000 spins is reasonable??

Forget the other stats, like average bonus

It was probably at a time when people were gambling to try for the 50 and getting lower than average results.

Any game where a gamble is involved can have shocking RTP even over that many spins.

For example someone or everyone constantly going for 20 on WWTBAM will unless they get there quickly will almost certainly have a low RTP compared to someone who collects 8 or 10+ all the time. On games like that you the player choose just how volatile you want it to be.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I just explained it badly. I know what I meant, lol
I always find the SRP gives me a better indication of how a game is performing for me, rather than just the RTP

I agree RTP isnt the best thing to track as 96% on 100 is nothing like 96% on 500000 but i dont track SRP either I tend to keep an eye of the drift value.

 

[brianmon]

It was probably at a time when people were gambling to try for the 50 and getting lower than average results.

Any game where a gamble is involved can have shocking RTP even over that many spins.

For example someone or everyone constantly going for 20 on WWTBAM will unless they get there quickly will almost certainly have a low RTP compared to someone who collects 8 or 10+ all the time. On games like that you the player choose just how volatile you want it to be.

Those are the 'all time' stats, not a specific time period.

 

[snorky510238]

Where did we get the average bonus is x100 from? I am guilty of quoting it myself but I only did so on hearsay. Have we anything set in stone on this?

It seems a bit strange to give an average for a slot with billions of possibilities and x100 seems a bit convenient also. Unless they thought nobody will question it.

Another noticeable thing is that in the first year a x20+ multiplier was not uncommon, yet nowadays they are rarely seen. If it was random we shouldn’t see a difference long term, if it was compensated you would.

Oh and on a side note this game was originally going to be called “Chasin’ and the GOLDen Fleece” but BTG thought players might latch on. “Chasin’ and the GOL_en Thief” would have been fairly apt.

 

[pinnit2014]

Still no Nutnut?

Might have to send BTG's Nik around to check on him with a box of tissues*

*Unknown if they'll be used because a. he can't hit more than a 15x OR, b. if he has indeed hit the 5000x

If the price of baby oil spikes we know Nut hit that 20x multiplier