New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[Kroffe]

Was going to deposit €20 and sacrifice it to the waterwheel-gods, but i encountered a problem with the deposit.
I had to enter my pin to deposit with skrill.
It said "Enter Pin" and i fckin entered "Pin" over and over. And for some reason they kept saying it was wrong.
Turns out they wanted my Pin number...
Ill take that as a sign im to tired to play slots.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Don't you just love it when you play higher stakes than normal and hit 3 features in 30 mins!!! ................... NO not really

 

[snorky510238]

Don't you just love it when you play higher stakes than normal and hit 3 features in 30 mins!!! ................... NO not really


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That is awful. The problem is I don’t think it’s totally down to bad luck. I can’t help noticing some days all bonuses pay rubbish other days they pay well. It’s like you’re not always pulling from the same pool of chance/numbers/resources whatever we call it.

If you think about these megaways slots depending on the number of symbols per reel they literally have billions of of permutations/combinations. If it was all truly random do we think that providers would risk somebody hitting “the big one” thus wiping out all profits to date?

With any game not just Bonanza it is obvious there are caps in place. I was playing a game the other evening (I am fairly sure it was Riders of the storm) when I had a “Pinnit” incident. I triggered the bonus and immediately got disconnected before I had pressed start. On reloading I was given the option of replaying the feature or simply updating my balance.

As far as I can see this is the same scenario as “Pinnit” had apart from his balance had already updated. Okay I was playing a Thunderkick game and I am not sure what they state happens regarding bonus rounds but Btg state each spin is picked independently after the previous spin. This is obviously not the case because you can trigger a feature then log out and go back to it a week later for example and it will still be there waiting to be played. If you are disconnected prior to a bonus round sometimes it gives away the fact it already knows the result.

I have been disconnected halfway into a bonus where the game crashes but restores you to the point where it crashed and although it obviously knows the final total it doesn’t let you know.

Sorry if it’s hard to see what I am saying, I have only just woken up and I have had clearer heads. I guess it’s a long winded way of saying as far as I am concerned whether it qualifies as random/legal or not it’s all predetermined and compensated.

Slots have been that way since they were invented. Do we really think providers went to all the trouble of producing highly complex maths formulas to make it appear “Random” for our benefit?

Therefore in essence can anybody explain (wait for it) the difference between a compensated game that pays out 96% and a random game that has a rtp of 96%. Apart from the “random” game has more swings (allegedly) I am failing to see any difference for the player or providers LONG TERM.

 

[nutnut]

You know its fucked when me and pinnit both losing.

Time for mini break, which is hard as Sunday always plays better.

If I was sensible gambler midweek 11 to 12 and sundays 7pm onwards. But sadly I'm not sensible.

 

[Kroffe]

Maybe i have good luck when EVERYBODY else has bad luck.
I will return later today and reveal the answer.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Nothing but gems and scatters along the top and shitty ways on first few reels non stop at the mo.

Either I was not as observant 2 years ago or that didn’t happen for 70% of the spins.

 

[snorky510238]

Nothing but gems and scatters along the top and shitty ways on first few reels non stop at the mo.

Either I was not as observant 2 years ago or that didn’t happen for 70% of the spins.

Thought the exact same thing myself regarding scatters and particularly blue gems. I am also confident you didn’t get as many dead spins.

 

[snorky510238]

You know its fucked when me and pinnit both losing.

Time for mini break, which is hard as Sunday always plays better.

If I was sensible gambler midweek 11 to 12 and sundays 7pm onwards. But sadly I'm not sensible.

I am getting stuffed aswell. Almost unheard of for us all to be losing. Generally I run similar to Pinnit and lose when you win. Which makes me suspicious as I play at the same sites as Pinnit pretty much but not where you play.

 

[Greigssy]

Apparently it averages 100x bet in the bonus though!

Maybe when first released but now it's 20-50x, 1 in in 10 of my bonuses pay 100x and by that I reckon I need a 800x every month to get back on average, I've never got higher than 500x in 3 years.

 

[goatwack]

It's a strange thing. I'm awash with money but have reached my deposit limits everywhere I can see, so even when I want Bonanza to rob me blind, it can't.

The irony isn't lost on me

 

[sufferinsilence]

That is awful. The problem is I don’t think it’s totally down to bad luck. I can’t help noticing some days all bonuses pay rubbish other days they pay well. It’s like you’re not always pulling from the same pool of chance/numbers/resources whatever we call it.

*snip*

Slots have been that way since they were invented. Do we really think providers went to all the trouble of producing highly complex maths formulas to make it appear “Random” for our benefit?

Therefore in essence can anybody explain (wait for it) the difference between a compensated game that pays out 96% and a random game that has a rtp of 96%. Apart from the “random” game has more swings (allegedly) I am failing to see any difference for the player or providers LONG TERM.

I'd also like to add that when you're having a "hot" streak it seems all slots are playing ball and you can't even lose if you wanted to but when it goes cold all of them team up against you, there is rarely one giving you a break Just an observation, I'm sure it's random!

 

[pinnit2014]

100 in,145 spins on a quid. Eek

 

[Jono777]

I'd also like to add that when you're having a "hot" streak it seems all slots are playing ball and you can't even lose if you wanted to but when it goes cold all of them team up against you, there is rarely one giving you a break Just an observation, I'm sure it's random!

This is me 11.5 month's out of each and every year.

Trying desperately for a little play time from my deposits but ending in disappointment regularly of late. On a good note, the rage days are gone, I simply get up and walk away, have a sarcastic 5 minutes and I'm back to jolly old moi!

 

[sufferinsilence]

100 in,145 spins on a quid. Eek

That's how the basegame plays for me regularly. I've never understood when people said how awesome Bonanza is for wager because I'd fail most of the time if I was to do that! If anything: Millionaire's basegame is where it's at for a decent turnaround and the bonuses are just an extra.

 

[nutnut]

Lets be honest this game isn't all that good.

We get a x500 cream ourselves and the forget we took 2 weeks of deposits to get it.

Game is stunning at making it feel it pays out but reality is pays out a percentage if losses. Ain't getting no money off me tonight

 

[snorky510238]

I'd also like to add that when you're having a "hot" streak it seems all slots are playing ball and you can't even lose if you wanted to but when it goes cold all of them team up against you, there is rarely one giving you a break Just an observation, I'm sure it's random!

I am convinced when you log into a game it’s just your personal version. Just like having an old fruity at home. Your money goes in and only your money comes out. Long term you can never win.

This is how people hit their rtp so accurately. Think about recording your rtp in a land based casino (in essence why should it be any different) I can guarantee you wouldn’t be anywhere near rtp on most games. Why? Because other people are putting in and taking out money. Online it’s just you. You are playing against yourself.

It may seem a ridiculous view on the face of it but to me it is one of the only explanations possible for seeing what we regularly see and experience with regards to slots paying then going dead over and over every time and nothing will change it.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Lets be honest this game isn't all that good.

We get a x500 cream ourselves and the forget we took 2 weeks of deposits to get it.

Game is stunning at making it feel it pays out but reality is pays out a percentage if losses. Ain't getting no money off me tonight

I can't complain about the payout percentage If we're talking numbers I'm around 4 grand in profit on Bonanza this year... I kept a bit of a log since my big win in February, it's probably not 100% accurate but pretty close. Perhaps I should retire the slot and look at my pretty screenshots when I feel like having a bash

 

[snorky510238]

I can't complain about the payout percentage If we're talking numbers I'm around 4 grand in profit on Bonanza this year... I kept a bit of a log since my big win in February, it's probably not 100% accurate but pretty close. Perhaps I should retire the slot and look at my pretty screenshots when I feel like having a bash

Probably a good idea or in a few months time you will find it has taken it all back. The only games I am massively ahead on are games I played once or twice and never went back.

I was slightly ahead on Bonanza for a long time but I am slightly behind now.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I am convinced when you log into a game it’s just your personal version. Just like having an old fruity at home. Your money goes in and only your money comes out. Long term you can never win.

This is how people hit their rtp so accurately. Think about recording your rtp in a land based casino (in essence why should it be any different) I can guarantee you wouldn’t be anywhere near rtp on most games. Why? Because other people are putting in and taking out money. Online it’s just you. You are playing against yourself.

It may seem a ridiculous view on the face of it but to me it is one of the only explanations possible for seeing what we regularly see and experience with regards to slots paying then going dead over and over every time and nothing will change it.

There's quite a few slots out there ready for me to collect on then, instead of dripfeeding it back into Bonanza I understand where you're coming from and it does feel that way, since the big win in August I've had thousands of spins and 1 200x bonus out of 3 bonuses triggered. Yes, 3 bonuses now in 3 weeks but I haven't been playing it that much in comparison yet lost around €1000 on it mainly on €1 bets! That's a crazy amount of money for a limited amount of gameplay and a total lack of bonuses or basegame action.

 

[nutnut]

WHATS HIGHEST MEGAWAYS in the bonus game, dnt remember ever seeing 117k ways ever, so whats the cap.

i find the base game 117k ways hilarious 9 out of 10 pay fuck all or x10

 

[sufferinsilence]

Not sure what the "cap" is but getting around 10000 ways usually means some money.

 

[snorky510238]

WHATS HIGHEST MEGAWAYS in the bonus game, dnt remember ever seeing 117k ways ever, so whats the cap.

i find the base game 117k ways hilarious 9 out of 10 pay fuck all or x10

That’s another thing. Allegedly the 117,649 is available in the bonus round. Yet in hundreds (maybe pushing 1,000) of bonus rounds I have NEVER seen it.

This makes me wonder just how weighted these slots are. I mean you see it regularly in millionaire bonus rounds but it is usually on a very low multiplier obviously. It makes you realise just how controlled everything is.

 

[nutnut]

That’s another thing. Allegedly the 117,649 is available in the bonus round. Yet in hundreds (maybe pushing 1,000) of bonus rounds I have NEVER seen it.

This makes me wonder just how weighted these slots are. I mean you see it regularly in millionaire bonus rounds but it is usually on a very low multiplier obviously. It makes you realise just how controlled everything is.

no way 117k ways is in the bonus round, ive never seen it

 

[sufferinsilence]

Probably a good idea or in a few months time you will find it has taken it all back. The only games I am massively ahead on are games I played once or twice and never went back.

I was slightly ahead on Bonanza for a long time but I am slightly behind now.

Oh, I realise I've had one hell of a run the past 6 months on Bonanza and if I keep trying it's going to eat it back! It's like @dunover 's run last year and he confessed he gave it mostly (all?) back after. I'm not intending to do that, I've already gave back enough even with some other games throwing me a lifeline. I think I posted in this topic that it was a pretty big mistake leaving too much money in my account instead of withdrawing it

 

[pinnit2014]

Bonanzas driven me to six quid jackpots

 

[Reelsoffun]

no way 117k ways is in the bonus round, ive never seen it

Im 99.999999% sure i have had it in bonanza bonus round but also remembering it was a dead spin.

 

[Reelsoffun]

That’s another thing. Allegedly the 117,649 is available in the bonus round. Yet in hundreds (maybe pushing 1,000) of bonus rounds I have NEVER seen it.

This makes me wonder just how weighted these slots are. I mean you see it regularly in millionaire bonus rounds but it is usually on a very low multiplier obviously. It makes you realise just how controlled everything is.

Yes but BTG did say that was the main volatility change for millionaire that the megaways was a lot more likely hence why the bonuses are more brutal.

 

[snorky510238]

That’s the problem with being human. We know 117,649 is available and we know 288 ways of diamonds is possible (maybe more). Therefore we think one day that might drop in.

Truth being you probably have more chance of winning the lottery.

 

[dunover]

Oh, I realise I've had one hell of a run the past 6 months on Bonanza and if I keep trying it's going to eat it back! It's like @dunover 's run last year and he confessed he gave it mostly (all?) back after. I'm not intending to do that, I've already gave back enough even with some other games throwing me a lifeline. I think I posted in this topic that it was a pretty big mistake leaving too much money in my account instead of withdrawing it

Yep, I went from nearly 15k Euros (£12k at the time) ahead to about 6-7k Euros up then closed my a/c for a while.
The 7k win I had at Freaky vegas with that 3628x at £2, it took about 3.3k back before I did the same. So I stayed up, well up, but could see where it was heading, a kind of inevitabillity about it all.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yep, I went from nearly 15k Euros (£12k at the time) ahead to about 6-7k Euros up then closed my a/c for a while.
The 7k win I had at Freaky vegas with that 3628x at £2, it took about 3.3k back before I did the same. So I stayed up, well up, but could see where it was heading, a kind of inevitabillity about it all.

And yet you still say they random?

Yet that’s the exact behaviour of a compensated slot, just saying......

 

[dunover]

And yet you still say they random?

Yet that’s the exact behaviour of a compensated slot, just saying......

Nope, it's the behaviour of a slot reverting to its 96% or less after an exceptional and extended period of higher RTP. The longer you play, the more likely the 4% house edge will affect your bankroll, which is the inevitable part. So I quit while I was ahead.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Nope, it's the behaviour of a slot reverting to its 96% or less after an exceptional and extended period of higher RTP. The longer you play, the more likely the 4% house edge will affect your bankroll, which is the inevitable part. So I quit while I was ahead.

Yes i understand that, but its the speed at which it claws back the 4% though often extremely low RTPs for countless sessions after a massive win. And the fact its random, you should have an equal chance of winning again way before it takes a load back but as you and many others report it just goes into complete suck mode so you have to admit its a tad weird.

Also they have no memory why would it revert back to 96% as far as its concerned its a new session it can play just like before, but we both know it won't / don't.

On a true random game, admittedly depending on volatility of the game and stakes if you have a massive win it could take many months to start getting close to its RTP from being so far "behind" yet it often so brutal it gets it back far too quick to not be suspicious.

But we can all think what we like and I'm perfectly aware of how RTP works, in both random and compensated games.

 

[Jono777]

On a much brighter note to start the week off well....I used to love the streak on that £6 Road Hog AWP, caught it more than my fair share of times also

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Allllllllllllllright............. Lets go!!!!

 

[CongoGB]

Morning! Aim for today is to hit the 750 wins in one day on this on VS, so I can get a rubbish Red Wheel. Usual £25 deposit, had a couple of +5 bonuses first thing, and then this:

That'll do to start the day. Sticking to the 20p rolls to stand a chance of the 750...

 

[pinnit2014]

On a much brighter note to start the week off well....I used to love the streak on that £6 Road Hog AWP, caught it more than my fair share of times also

Oil slick to nudge pot ;-)

 

[pinnit2014]

Even with 17 it struggled past the average. Was looking like a sub 40 at one point.

Making slotting a chore

Road Hog here I come

 

[pinnit2014]

Did hit a near 200 last night.

On 40 frigging pence such was my need to break a Gold famine

 

[nutnut]

I take a break than lower stakes. Losing hundreds at 1 pound and 80p the lowering to 40p to trigger that would piss me right off

 

[goatwack]

What happened to the £4ers Nut?

 

[CongoGB]

Hit 5 bonuses so far today in my 750 wins quest. Still going - pesky work getting in the way!

Most bonuses pretty rubbish though - especially the 3 with a +5! Only half decent one was just a plain old GOLD with no retriggers.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I take a break than lower stakes. Losing hundreds at 1 pound and 80p the lowering to 40p to trigger that would piss me right off

I'm taking a break from all slots right now after everything bit me. I need to go back to playing 20-40c on ALL slots too, we've been talking about that false sense of security on Bonanza to play higher stakes and I really took a hit to keep on trying on €1. I've put the rest of the money safely away and am not touching it for slotting, I've had my blowout so to speak. Back to normal programming in a couple of days or even weeks.

 

[brianmon]

Well that was worth waiting for.
2209 spins to hit GOLD, and win 42x stake.
Obviously nothing to do with my RTP being 115% over the last 22,771 spins, since it's in no way compensated

 

[CongoGB]

750 wins in 24 hours on VS, done. Bonuses won throughout the day - 6.

Withdrawals - nothing, of course.

Bloody game...

Still, gave a decent amount of play time for a £25 deposit!

 

[sufferinsilence]

Atleast we now know why Bonanza was being so tight: it was saving up for @interlog 's DHV hit

 

[nutnut]

i just put 10 in cause im bored gone in 5 minutes at 40p

 

[Luckyscouser45]

I can’t complain cos last week I am a grand and half up on two sites. But my god does it rip u a new one the following week!! Staying well away for a few weeks now £20 in earlier gone in 5 minutes on 40p

 

[pinnit2014]

i just put 10 in cause im bored gone in 5 minutes at 40p

From 4 quids to 40p?

The End is Nigh!

 

[nutnut]

From 4 quids to 40p?

The End is Nigh!

to be fair when you win 7k in 2 days the 4 pound spins feel like 40p!

not seen bonus in over 1800 spins so thank god the 4 pound dream is over

 

[mcgameboy]

Going by the last 6 pages or so, it looks like I picked the perfect time to have the kind of work schedule that left me too knackered to even consider a session on my one day off so far this month.

On the upside, it's probably saved me about a grand....