New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[trancemonkey]

You know I respect and believe every word you say, always have done, always will do.

However you do not work for BTG mate, so a question rather than an accusation, could your statements be not applicable to their way of doing things??

Well, you make a good point. But from what they have said, and from a few conversations with Nick at the meister meet, and my knowledge of games and game maths, I don't believe they are determining a win value and just showing it.

There are many many many ways of doing maths for games, and many would be way to complex to discuss here, but i am quite sure i could make a game like any of the BTG games without ever needing to consider doing it the way snorky thinks it is done.

Am I 100% certain, no of course not. Am I 99% certain? Yes.

 

[trancemonkey]

...also FWIW, Williams/SG bonuses are pre-determined also, before this HTML5 changeover, you could close the bonus at any point and reopen it a day later and all spins would play out the same from the trigger of the bonus.

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Correct... it plays out all the free games at the point you win them. It is not picking from a huge table if predetermined spins like Jammin Jars though.

As mentioned previously, this is because it's much better for game recovery purposes...

 

[mack341]

Well, you make a good point. But from what they have said, and from a few conversations with Nick at the meister meet, and my knowledge of games and game maths, I don't believe they are determining a win value and just showing it.

There are many many many ways of doing maths for games, and many would be way to complex to discuss here, but i am quite sure i could make a game like any of the BTG games without ever needing to consider doing it the way snorky thinks it is done.

Am I 100% certain, no of course not. Am I 99% certain? Yes.

given the reels in bonanza/megaways are constantly unequal but impact the chance of and size of win, is there perhaps 2 aspects to the rng, the first random decision being how many 'megaways' there are on any given spin and then a seperate rng call for the symbols to fill the available positions?

 

[goatwack]

I don't know what the objection is to calling something predetermined a la Jammin Jars, when the gameplay indicates exactly that. This does not always mean it to be a negative thing, like the old chestnut of "Why still play slots then?"

Well, because even though I know it's gimped, it still has (how to put this).....'controlled' wins along the way. THAT's why people keep coming back.

Be a bit pointless if players never won it's just how it's done that's the issue. And Bonanza is ****ing filth. That is all

 

[paul7388]

Bit lost but i will ask. So if a slot picks all the free games at start before you play them is that not just the same as saying that once you hit free spins it is decided what you win.

Maybe trance you do it different but other companies don't.

I can be playing at WH hit free spins bonus then before i start them if i put a bet on my balance instead of going down shoots up to show winnings from free spins. I then have to play free spins also picking during them if i get a retrigger to see how many extra it awards to get to the win i have already been paid.

So to me that shows that once bonus is triggered the rest is for show as amount is already decided. Which to me means the result was predetermined as soon as feature landed.

 

[brianmon]

I don't know what the objection is to calling something predetermined a la Jammin Jars, when the gameplay indicates exactly that. This does not always mean it to be a negative thing, like the old chestnut of "Why still play slots then?"

Well, because even though I know it's gimped, it still has (how to put this).....'controlled' wins along the way. THAT's why people keep coming back.

Be a bit pointless if players never won it's just how it's done that's the issue. And Bonanza is ****ing filth. That is all

The difference would be that, if the freespins were predetermined a la Jammin' Jars. The maximum win will be known, since the sequence for that win is already stored in the database.
Which would make a mockery of 'unlimited multiplier' and 'unlimited re-trigger' claims

 

[Nate]

x15000?

try producing a few x5000 or even x3000 wins before worrying about hitting a max x15,000 payout.

This is why the CEO of BTG made certain he never answered what the potential of Bonanza is - He didn't even want to reveal the 'best' hit they may have achieved in their testing.

There is a reason for that - They probably ONLY triggered a 2000x hit per 5 million spins they ran. It makes no logical sense to HIDE the potential if it is there. The only valid reason is because they actually knew the slot was NOT capable of producing anything substantial - not by a country mile.

So in order to deceive us (which they have done in the past), they continue to keep it a guarded secret with the intention of fooling the player base ... Unlimited Spins... Unlimited Multipliers... - Naturally the only Big Win we saw was a 14 000x bet... which in itself so happened to be recreated by BTG and boasted on a channel that they had ties to - with a streamer they debuted their games with

Now they release Who Wants to Be Homeless with a win 'Up to 50 000x' .... Why isn't that potential revealed in their previous slots? The truth is, it DOESN'T EXIST.

Remember all the shenanigans they went through just to prove their first Megaways had potential? It was basically FAKED to give us the impression that it was a monster waiting to go off. Fast forward on Dragon Born and tell me how many actual hits that breached 3000x you have seen since the release of the slot? ... Add Bonanza in there and you now see a pattern emerging. Marketing at its best >> whilst back at the ranch, they are absolutely raping most of their players...

I ran their very own DEMO / Developer mode on the slot and triggered 120 Free Spins, got that up to an 80x multiplier and only just managed 8000x bet. That alone would tell you what a farce the game is.

Alas, read the forums closely and you will probably notice there is a chance of a BTG shill here too...

Nate

 

[greylady]

I am just so chuffed with myself that I almost gave up on this slot, once in a blue moon do I give it 50-100 spins! I have NEVER had the so called misfortune of triggering a bonus on average of 450 spins, always been thousands to end up disappointed 99% of the time that I just moved on

 

[trancemonkey]

given the reels in bonanza/megaways are constantly unequal but impact the chance of and size of win, is there perhaps 2 aspects to the rng, the first random decision being how many 'megaways' there are on any given spin and then a seperate rng call for the symbols to fill the available positions?

Absolutely, I would imagine this is the minimum of what it's doing...

 

[trancemonkey]

Bit lost but i will ask. So if a slot picks all the free games at start before you play them is that not just the same as saying that once you hit free spins it is decided what you win.

Maybe trance you do it different but other companies don't.

I can be playing at WH hit free spins bonus then before i start them if i put a bet on my balance instead of going down shoots up to show winnings from free spins. I then have to play free spins also picking during them if i get a retrigger to see how many extra it awards to get to the win i have already been paid.

So to me that shows that once bonus is triggered the rest is for show as amount is already decided. Which to me means the result was predetermined as soon as feature landed.

Yes, the final outcome is known because all 10 spins (or whatever) are played out on the server at the point the feature is triggered. Then the server would send the result of each spin to the client as it asked for it.

But that's not the same as it picking 10 predetermined spins. The spins themselves are randomly determined one after the other, but it is (almost certainly) not picking from a pool of millions of sets of 10 spins.

 

[curremon]

So is there different rtp versions of this game or not ?
Ive seen now atleast 3 different versions of this game and some feels paying insanely low compared to other ones...

Worst one you can find in casinoheroes... it looks like orginal bonanza but it plays like quickfire one with ultrafast cascades.. Also there is no possibility to play 80cent bets... 20c,40c,60c,1€ 2€ 4€ etc.,..

Im 100% sure that one is lowest rtp setting version since casinoheroes suddenly has changed low rtp versions of other games too and they changed to this version of bonanza shortly after that, why else they would change game version ?

 

[snorky510238]

Well, you make a good point. But from what they have said, and from a few conversations with Nick at the meister meet, and my knowledge of games and game maths, I don't believe they are determining a win value and just showing it.

There are many many many ways of doing maths for games, and many would be way to complex to discuss here, but i am quite sure i could make a game like any of the BTG games without ever needing to consider doing it the way snorky thinks it is done.

Am I 100% certain, no of course not. Am I 99% certain? Yes.

This only requires a one word answer trance. Before it came to light would you have said the bonus on “Jammin Jars” was predetermined?

 

[paul7388]

This only requires a one word answer trance. Before it came to light would you have said the bonus on “Jammin Jars” was predetermined?

Can i answer for him.

No.

It is Randomly selected not predetermined

 

[brianmon]

Can i answer for him.

No.

It is Randomly selected not predetermined

It randomly selects from a database of predetermined sequences of events

 

[trancemonkey]

This only requires a one word answer trance. Before it came to light would you have said the bonus on “Jammin Jars” was predetermined?

I think if you find the thread about it, I was the one who said exactly how it was done and why. And yes, I believe nearly all those "cascading" games like Reactoonz, JJ, etc - they are all likely pulling from pre-determined sequences.

So your answer is:

Yes

 

[sufferinsilence]

So is there different rtp versions of this game or not ?
Ive seen now atleast 3 different versions of this game and some feels paying insanely low compared to other ones...

Worst one you can find in casinoheroes... it looks like orginal bonanza but it plays like quickfire one with ultrafast cascades.. Also there is no possibility to play 80cent bets... 20c,40c,60c,1€ 2€ 4€ etc.,..

Im 100% sure that one is lowest rtp setting version since casinoheroes suddenly has changed low rtp versions of other games too and they changed to this version of bonanza shortly after that, why else they would change game version ?

No, there's only 1 RTP setting on BTG slots.

 

[snorky510238]

I think if you find the thread about it, I was the one who said exactly how it was done and why. And yes, I believe nearly all those "cascading" games like Reactoonz, JJ, etc - they are all likely pulling from pre-determined sequences.

So your answer is:

Yes

But you don’t think other games use this method?

 

[trancemonkey]

But you don’t think other games use this method?

I dont believe that many slots that use reels will use this method. I would be extremely surprised to find out that any major provider used preset sequences of free games for any bonus in the same way Jammin Jars do.

I clearly cant say that it hasnt happened or doesnt, just that I think it extremely unlikely.

And before anyone corrects me here, yes I know there are some markets in the US where this method (ticket based) is the only legal way to make games. (If anyone is interested, Washington is one state where this method is mandatory).

 

[snorky510238]

I dont believe that many slots that use reels will use this method. I would be extremely surprised to find out that any major provider used preset sequences of free games for any bonus in the same way Jammin Jars do.

I clearly cant say that it hasnt happened or doesnt, just that I think it extremely unlikely.

And before anyone corrects me here, yes I know there are some markets in the US where this method (ticket based) is the only legal way to make games. (If anyone is interested, Washington is one state where this method is mandatory).

I would be amazed if quite a few don’t personally given the thousands of games that are out there and some of the lesser known providers whose games aren’t up to much (lbh) might not be up to making over complicated sequences. Only a thought.

 

[trancemonkey]

I would be amazed if quite a few don’t personally given the thousands of games that are out there and some of the lesser known providers whose games aren’t up to much (lbh) might not be up to making over complicated sequences. Only a thought.

Oh indeed, some of the non-regulated market providers may well do a whole plethora of weird and wonderful stuff.

 

[TheAddict]

In Nov 2016 a a completely new thread on CM gains a lot of attention offering insane potential. Soon, a member of staff decides to, apparantly, take it completely upon himself withiut considering the consequences or asking for authorization, to slip in a big win picture that wasn't exactly legit, in order to promote it.

In Feb 2017, after not being active at all, for 3 years, some guy mysteriously re-appears and becomes active.. opening up his first comment with an AMA thread. Going on and gaining respect and trust in a very reputable, respected forum, even resulting in an award for 'best thread'.
As a result, becomes the go to man for many questions.

As time goes by, and peoples patience begins to grow thin, the 'guy' includes subtle reminders of how unique and well created Bonanza is, giving his admirationin with the line "quite possibly the best designed slot ever made" (iirc).

Claims that he's 99% ceartin that all is legit, especially after a very cosy conversation with the CEO in person.

So there you have it.


Ladies and Gentlemen.. i present to you, your shill...
Stand up and take a bow, dear Trancemonkey.

 

[dionysus]

he'd be a pretty poor shill seeing as he doesnt even promote his own works

 

[paul7388]

In Nov 2016 a a completely new thread on CM gains a lot of attention offering insane potential. Soon, a member of staff decides to, apparantly, take it completely upon himself withiut considering the consequences or asking for authorization, to slip in a big win picture that wasn't exactly legit, in order to promote it.

In Feb 2017, after not being active at all, for 3 years, some guy mysteriously re-appears and becomes active.. opening up his first comment with an AMA thread. Going on and gaining respect and trust in a very reputable, respected forum, even resulting in an award for 'best thread'.
As a result, becomes the go to man for many questions.

As time goes by, and peoples patience begins to grow thin, the 'guy' includes subtle reminders of how unique and well created Bonanza is, giving his admirationin with the line "quite possibly the best designed slot ever made" (iirc).

Claims that he's 99% ceartin that all is legit, especially after a very cosy conversation with the CEO in person.

So there you have it.


Ladies and Gentlemen.. i present to you, your shill...
Stand up and take a bow, dear Trancemonkey.

Give me 5 minutes to figure out if that is a serious post or not lol.

 

[paul7388]

he'd be a pretty poor shill seeing as he doesnt even promote his own works

To be fair there are one or two ITG slots i would be embarrassed to promote

 

[pinnit2014]

In Nov 2016 a a completely new thread on CM gains a lot of attention offering insane potential. Soon, a member of staff decides to, apparantly, take it completely upon himself withiut considering the consequences or asking for authorization, to slip in a big win picture that wasn't exactly legit, in order to promote it.

In Feb 2017, after not being active at all, for 3 years, some guy mysteriously re-appears and becomes active.. opening up his first comment with an AMA thread. Going on and gaining respect and trust in a very reputable, respected forum, even resulting in an award for 'best thread'.
As a result, becomes the go to man for many questions.

As time goes by, and peoples patience begins to grow thin, the 'guy' includes subtle reminders of how unique and well created Bonanza is, giving his admirationin with the line "quite possibly the best designed slot ever made" (iirc).

Claims that he's 99% ceartin that all is legit, especially after a very cosy conversation with the CEO in person.

So there you have it.


Ladies and Gentlemen.. i present to you, your shill...
Stand up and take a bow, dear Trancemonkey.

You forgot to add that the Universe fought back to correct this abberatiom, resulting in the creation of Snorky