Bodog lower payout?

[Rusty]

Since mid December at Bodog it takes me almost twice as long to hit a feature and when I do they generally pay much less.

The overall payout seems much lower recently too.

Also I have noticed by coincidence that the RJ's seem to be going less frequently.

I like Bodog and they are the only Casino I play at regularly but lately their payouts are getting as stupidly low as MG Casinos.

Has anyone else who plays regularly at Bodog noticed something similar or is this just particular to my account?

 

[kakata]

ditto

 

[metaxa]

can't complain. won yesterday $5000 with $150 deposit, got regulary bonus rounds with good payouts.

 

[Zoozie]

I like Bodog and they are the only Casino I play at regularly but lately their payouts are getting as stupidly low as MG Casinos.

MG payout are much higher than any RTG. MG slots are fixed at 95-96% and can not be changed by the casinos! While RTG can configure they payout% and from my experience they are nowhere near 95% I always felt INetBet, where I have played most RTG slot, seemed to have better payouts%. And they are one of the few RTG that have publiced payout% charts, and I think the slots was in 94-95% range. I never liked Bodog, so I have only played there twice.

For other RTG casino especially the rotten ones, I am sure you should be happy if you are playing a 91% slot.

Highest payout% are found at Rival, and I think 3Dice are close. Wagerworks used to have 96.2% slots as well, but they are downgraded to 95.0%. (Cleopatra). And then MG.. Then Crypto... And then RTG/Playtech.

 

[classymom]

Thats good to know- I love rival slots.

 

[silcnlayc]

As much as I love their slots, the payout scale is ridiculously low, and you're kidding about this, right?

Highest payout% are found at Rival,

 

[Zoozie]

As much as I love their slots, the payout scale is ridiculously low, and you're kidding about this, right?

Rival publish the exact payout% for each slot under the 'help'-page for the slot. Try check them yourself and see if they have changed, or maybe write your findings here.

 

[chuchu59]

As much as I love their slots, the payout scale is ridiculously low, and you're kidding about this, right?

Most Rival slots have at least 2 features, free spins and a bonus round. To win, you have to get the bonus round during the free spins. If you get them separately you are likely to lose as you dont get much from the normal spins.

 

[Rusty]

MG payout are much higher than any RTG. MG slots are fixed at 95-96% and can not be changed by the casinos!

I can show you playlogs from different MG Casinos and every single one of them bar none has a payout<75%
I have not had the possibility of a cashout at any MG Casino forever.
Since the reels are dynamically weighted the same as RTG I beg to differ when you say that payout can not be altered, it is altered all the time dependent on past results.
This is very obvious with regards to Wild and scatter symbols after a winning streak is over.

AS far as inetbet goes their payouts were very very low for me but since I like
the RTG software I went over to Bodog where my payouts are generally 95%
Just a long losing streak currently that is at odds with previous results.
I am talking sample sizes of 100,000 spins plus and the statistical anonmolies are quite conspicuous.

I do not expect you to agree with me about MG but for me it is an open and shut case;
RTG, MG etc are not true random and the line that each result has an equal probability and is independent of past results is a blatant piece of fiction.

 

[Rusty]

Oh my, its getting worse
If doesn't change next Week then, oh I've done that before.

 

[kakata]

you read my mi nd.........its getting worse.....lol
Maybe they have been offended
I dont know if I can make it till next week....

 

[vinylweatherman]

MG payout are much higher than any RTG. MG slots are fixed at 95-96% and can not be changed by the casinos!

I can show you playlogs from different MG Casinos and every single one of them bar none has a payout<75%
I have not had the possibility of a cashout at any MG Casino forever.
Since the reels are dynamically weighted the same as RTG I beg to differ when you say that payout can not be altered, it is altered all the time dependent on past results.
This is very obvious with regards to Wild and scatter symbols after a winning streak is over.

AS far as inetbet goes their payouts were very very low for me but since I like
the RTG software I went over to Bodog where my payouts are generally 95%
Just a long losing streak currently that is at odds with previous results.
I am talking sample sizes of 100,000 spins plus and the statistical anonmolies are quite conspicuous.

I do not expect you to agree with me about MG but for me it is an open and shut case;
RTG, MG etc are not true random and the line that each result has an equal probability and is independent of past results is a blatant piece of fiction.

Remember, it has been revealed that the older MG 5 reel slots are most definitely weighted, obvious when it was discovered they only had short reels with one of each symbol. One consequence of this weighting is that playing less lines DOES alter the payout, which would not be the case for random slots. It has always been accepted that 3 reel "classic" slots are weighted, the same as in real life.
Since MG kept this fact about old 5 reel slots under wraps, they cannot be expected to be honest when answering questions about the current position with the newer feature slots. The way the reels tend to favour certain positions time and time again, before shifting to favour another position, is seen by the waxing and waning of the appearance of the scatters. With each reel waxing and waning in it's own way, there are times when all gang up to favour the sector containing the scatter, thus frequent bonus rounds and retriggers. Where all reels favour a position away from the scatter, they hardly ever appear for hundreds of spins, with gaps of 1000+ between bonus rounds instead of the expected 100 or so.

 

[kakata]

Bodog.....after Ive played there for months without a public complain(strange isnt it?), ive emailed them and asked em to look at my stats.
They very politely told me to go F**k my self.
If they can say no to a customer like me.....they really make a lot of money, cause I do play a lot on a daily basis.
Thats what they offer.... take it or leave it.........ive chosen the 2th .
One hundred deposits.......no cash outs.
One more Famous casino in to the t.........t.
I dont know about you guys.......im goin to give up.
Cmon now.....waiting for you...........(my friends).......

 

[bb28]

Bodog.....after Ive played there for months without a public complain(strange isnt it?), ive emailed them and asked em to look at my stats.
They very politely told me to go F**k my self.
If they can say no to a customer like me.....they really make a lot of money, cause I do play a lot on a daily basis.
Thats what they offer.... take it or leave it.........ive chosen the 2th .
One hundred deposits.......no cash outs.
One more Famous casino in to the t.........t.
I dont know about you guys.......im goin to give up.
Cmon now.....waiting for you...........(my friends).......

Hi Kakata........No bashing here.
I'm sorry. It sucks..... it really does. I know where you are coming from.

 

[Rusty]

I am getting there...slowly.
If my deposits go the same way next Week then that will be that.
I play for enjoyment now but even low rolling being slaughtered is no fun at all.
I had no cause for complaint either until mid/late Dec when it was suddenly like a switch had been thrown.
Which lets face it, it probably has
Stay away from slots period unless you can have some low rolling fun would be my advice.
Kakata good luck with your abstinence

 

[vinylweatherman]

Bodog.....after Ive played there for months without a public complain(strange isnt it?), ive emailed them and asked em to look at my stats.
They very politely told me to go F**k my self.
If they can say no to a customer like me.....they really make a lot of money, cause I do play a lot on a daily basis.
Thats what they offer.... take it or leave it.........ive chosen the 2th .
One hundred deposits.......no cash outs.
One more Famous casino in to the t.........t.
I dont know about you guys.......im goin to give up.
Cmon now.....waiting for you...........(my friends).......

Highly unusual, most casinos would present the figures and argue how they show that the player had, in fact, gained a false impression and that in reality they WERE getting around the long term 95% mark that is the benchmark for online slots.
There are two reasons for this reply:-

1) They are so arrogant that they believe individual customers are "something the cat dragged in", and are expected not to question the god like figure of the Bodog brand.

2) The stats would confirm that the player had indeed experienced a long term substandard payout, and that the sample size was sufficient to stand up as proof of an unduly low payout setting, given that nearly every player now knows that individual RTG operators can set the slots as low as they choose, with 85% being rumoured as the lower setting used by many RTG casinos (probably less for the rogues who use giant boni to draw the players in).

 

[kakata]

I think is answer #1
and I honestly think that nowaday......99% should be rogued.......to be an optimistic

 

[markjacob]

The reps also reads the boards, and I would guess that they know that there are certain players that complain about every damn casino.

 

[Rusty]

The reps also reads the boards, and I would guess that they know that there are certain players that complain about every damn casino.

Assuming they knew who these players were in their Casinos and I would guess that pretty much every player has had cause for complaint at sometime or another in just about every damn Casino they have played.
Here is a thought, how about they actually consider the complaints have some substance and do something about it?
Silly I know

And who could say they were arrogant when they reply like this to point made about lower payouts.

Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX

Thank you for contacting Bodog Casino Customer Service.

The Bodog Group of Companies is headquartered in the Caribbean nation of Antigua.



A fully licensed wagering and entertainment company, Bodog Entertainment provides the very best in poker, casino and sports wagering to tens of thousands of people on a daily basis.



Founded in 1995, Bodog Entertainment is now the global leader in safe and secure online wagering. Currently processing around $6 billion per year in wagers, and recently valued at more than US $1 billion, Bodog is trusted as a source for sports betting information by organizations such as ESPN and CNN.



As testament to its reputation as the most respected brand in the business, Bodog Entertainment was named the online gaming world's 7th most influential company by eGaming Review Magazine of London in 2005.



Bodog Entertainment takes pride in being licensed in the United Kingdom and Kahnawake, Canada. In 2004, Bodog Entertainment was the first company of its kind to have its name trademarked in the United States. Bodog Entertainment confidently holds 100 percent of all deposits, plus winnings, for all players in a segregated reserve account with Europe's largest private bank in Zurich, Switzerland.




If you ever encounter a problem or have any questions that require an immediate response please do not hesitate to contact our 24/7 Casino Customer Service Team at 1-866-234-1324


That really is a personal reply that addresses the issues
Plus I noticed they state they are licensed in the UK, I don't think so!
At least they are not licensed to run Casinos in the UK which is why their gambling operations are licensed with the ever so ethical and reliable NOT Kahnawake gambling commission.

Now believe it or not I actually like Bodog so I am being gentle with them

 

[just play]

Since mid December at Bodog it takes me almost twice as long to hit a feature and when I do they generally pay much less.

The overall payout seems much lower recently too.

Also I have noticed by coincidence that the RJ's seem to be going less frequently.

I like Bodog and they are the only Casino I play at regularly but lately their payouts are getting as stupidly low as MG Casinos.

Has anyone else who plays regularly at Bodog noticed something similar or is this just particular to my account?

Same here, since the same time.....very strange. I used to have dry spells then go on and win a bit, Bodog was the only place I was ever up (besides 3dice now) but since December like you said, it has been TERRIBLE.

 

[Rusty]

Jetset has posted a great link the in Kahnawake thumbs down thread but here is an excerpt from it that may or may not be relevant here;

If all goes according to plan, Morris will soon run the North American operations of Bodog, one of the largest and most notorious gambling sites on the Internet. Started by Calvin Ayre, the brash Saskatchewan-born self-proclaimed billionaire, Bodog is an online "lifestyle brand" whose gaming sites processed about US$7 billion in wagers last year alone. Through his company, Morris will pay Bodog an undisclosed sum for the right to handle customer service, media relations, and Internet traffic, along with millions of dollars in bets, for Bodog's North American operations.

Article end of November, the plot thickens?

I have underlined the really interesting bit.
The Devil is in the detail but to say there was a conflict of interest would be an understatement.

 

[lojo]

Bodog.....after Ive played there for months without a public complain(strange isnt it?), ive emailed them and asked em to look at my stats.
They very politely told me to go F**k my self.
If they can say no to a customer like me.....they really make a lot of money, cause I do play a lot on a daily basis.
Thats what they offer.... take it or leave it.........ive chosen the 2th .
One hundred deposits.......no cash outs.
One more Famous casino in to the t.........t.
I dont know about you guys.......im goin to give up.
Cmon now.....waiting for you...........(my friends).......

Am I hearing you say that you asked BoDog for your play logs and they declined!?!

ROGUE!!!@%&$^%$&^#%%& I say if so.

If you more or less accused them of cheating and asked them to look at your stats... well, that's another thing.

Please specificly request your play logs and let us know how they respond. If ya don't mind. would ya?

 

[Rusty]

One thing I will give Bodog credit for is they have always answered emails and always sent any game logs I have requested.

 

[winbig]

One thing I will give Bodog credit for is they have always answered emails and always sent any game logs I have requested.

That's for sure. They have some of the best CSR's around if you ask me.

 

[Rusty]

There is a software update this morning 8am CET.
Maybe it is the new slots or maybe they are resetting the payouts
It has to be good news either way

 

[winbig]

There is a software update this morning 8am CET.
Maybe it is the new slots or maybe they are resetting the payouts
It has to be good news either way

I vote for both #1 and #2. Christmas time is over, so they don't have to continue with the current 35% payout.

 

[kakata]

Am I hearing you say that you asked BoDog for your play logs and they declined!?!

ROGUE!!!@%&$^%$&^#%%& I say if so.

If you more or less accused them of cheating and asked them to look at your stats... well, that's another thing.

Please specificly request your play logs and let us know how they respond. If ya don't mind. would ya?

No my friend .........what I asked em was to look at my "losing" stats..............which they didnt give S***t about it.and just politely told me to go F my self............I hope I dont be banned again

 

[lojo]

No my friend .........what I asked em was to look at my "losing" stats..............which they didnt give S***t about it.and just politely told me to go F my self............I hope I dont be banned again

They don't deserve your play, G. You're better off without them then

 

[winbig]

Call me paranoid, but if the payout % suddenly goes up at Bodog after this "update" then something is definitely wrong...

Is it just a coincidence that the payouts suddenly dropped the last month or two, which coincides with the slow time for online gaming?

I had great runs at Bodog for the most part of '07. ....until December.

 

[Rusty]

Call me paranoid, but if the payout % suddenly goes up at Bodog after this "update" then something is definitely wrong...

Is it just a coincidence that the payouts suddenly dropped the last month or two, which coincides with the slow time for online gaming?

I had great runs at Bodog for the most part of '07. ....until December.

I think whether or not the payouts go back up is a moot point TBH, the fact that we all noticed the payouts drop in the same period has to be more than coincidence.

Like you Winbig I have had some great runs at Bodog (Sure I lose in the end) but that is expected but at least I had the chance to cashout several times and despite the odd drought before the Holiday season I would get more game for my money than any other Casino.

I played last night and had a good run on Cleopatra and Achilles (like the good old Days) but Paradise dreams and others still refuse to pay a cent and returns on these were< 50%

I have just logged in and no sign of any update?
Did you all get the same email explaining there would be an update?


EDIT UPDATE:

OK, the site is down now and they are updating on schedule 8.0AM EST my bad.

Played for a while until then and was very poor.

 

[winbig]

Bodog was actually one of the casinos that I ended up ahead for 2007. I hit a streak in December where I rarely hit bonus rounds, and even when I did, they paid about 50% or less of what I wagered to get there. I think the most I got from a bonus round was ~30x....and I can definitely say that it took more than 30 spins to trigger it.


Needless to say, I haven't played there since Maybe in a couple of months.

 

[Rusty]

Just changed my account from $ to and every jackpot has been reset to 1000


Had a hit early on, upped my stake and got about 20% return until I Zeroed out.

Sucks

 

[kakata]

Just changed my account from $ to and every jackpot has been reset to 1000


Had a hit early on, upped my stake and got about 20% return until I Zeroed out.

Sucks

.............................and when you think it cant get any worse.........than you make the biggest mistake.....it can, oh yes it can!!!!

 

[Rusty]

No ifs or buts the payout is so low there since Dec.

Account closed

Bodog were my last chance saloon as far as online gaming goes and when even low rolling gives me no pleasure because the outcomes are so predictable it is time to hold my hands up and say I surrender.

I will try another casino in time no doubt but at last the fun and wonder of playing online has gone for me which is a sad indictment of all the Casinos I have played.