big neteller problems

[winbig]

When you process hundreds/thousands of transactions a minute it sure would be.

You don't think they have automated checks in place to spot that sort of thing?

It would be easy for them to do, and I'm sure it's already setup. Sure it'll get by a few times, but once they catch on, it's all over.

Same goes for Visa/MC. There's already checks in place for them to block the transaction code for gambling...one will get through for a new merchant account at times, but they block it nice and fast after that

 

[suzecat]

You don't think they have automated checks in place to spot that sort of thing?

It would be easy for them to do, and I'm sure it's already setup. Sure it'll get by a few times, but once they catch on, it's all over.

Same goes for Visa/MC. There's already checks in place for them to block the transaction code for gambling...one will get through for a new merchant account at times, but they block it nice and fast after that

There's a certain casino in Costa Rica who "boasted" they would get Visa/MC transactions approved. How? They coded the transaction as merchandise instead of gambling. The result? Visa/MC have a hefty transaction fee now in CR.

 

[The Watchdog]

are you gamblers ??

Or a 90 year old gossip group?

Was the transaction approved? Did Neteller satisfied your need to approve your credit card??

Its true... I won't be posting more in this thread since all it could do is harm. I don't like it and I apologize if all of you guys are spending $200 in tissues for all the tears you are crying...

But, never the less.. .you are just talking to much crap. Some things are just not to be spoken, or at least I preffer to keep my comments to my self.

The person starting this thread has no freaking idea what he is talking about... and if he likes using Neteller he is not helping much either them or online gambling...

 

[The Watchdog]

Very true..

There's a certain casino in Costa Rica who "boasted" they would get Visa/MC transactions approved. How? They coded the transaction as merchandise instead of gambling. The result? Visa/MC have a hefty transaction fee now in CR.

But not only in Costa Rica... also in other countries were online gambling is big.

Never the less. . I believe that in Europe already, or very soon a rule to credit card gambling transactions will be taken as cash advances, which cost way more than credit card transactions...

This mainly affects US customers. Their goverment has sent an order to american banks and credit card companies to decline online gambling transactions.

If you have worked or work for an online gambling company, check the results of declined/approved transactions for US customers. If the company uses a coded processor, the result might be about 1 approved out of 20 attempts...

 

[suzecat]

1819: this should be easy to fix. Check out the FAQ on Neteller. If you are charged NSF fees and can prove to Neteller that funds were available at the time, NT will reimburse the fees.

 

[Mousey]

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This mainly affects US customers. Their goverment has sent an order to american banks and credit card companies to decline online gambling transactions.

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Really? Dang... there's so much that goes on that the average citizen is not aware of. OK... so anybody got any idea of what punishment the government is threatening the banks with? What LAW the banks are supposedly violating?

I'm not talking about credit or debit card transactions, I'm talking about banks and EFT. I realize the CC industry has already knuckled under and stopped processing transactions that might even remotely be connected to online gambling.

If your bank is blocking NETeller transactions, then find another bank for your NETeller. And tell your bank to go screw themselves for blocking tansactions and not giving you notice of a change in policy.

(Please note: your bank account has probably been flagged and has prossibly been reported to the IRS and Feds -- depending on the amounts and number of transactions.)

(And if none of the above makes sense then ignore me... I haven't had my coffee yet.... )

 

[AussieDave]

so anybody got any idea of what punishment the government is threatening the banks with? What LAW the banks are supposedly violating?

Funny you should mention that, just finished reading this article:

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Try looking under the heading Offshore Processors, a paragraph above Prepaid Wallets

 

[AussieDave]

Don't mean to de-rail the thread, but feel this also has some bearing too.

Considering what the 'industry' did when the US clamped down on credit cards, it's not exactly going to roll over and just let the US Gov take away 50% - 60% of its market revenue.

If or when the US passes its online gambling laws, you can bet that the casino's will be a step ahead, if not 1/2 a dozen.

Be this by having established alternative purchasing methods that don't involve gambling, that is buy a T-shirt for $50 and so on from a legit online store, that just so happens to be owned by a non connect subsiduary of the casino. You get the T-Shirt for free and $50 is credited to your casino account via a docket number, who knows!

As far as ISP being blocked from allow US citizens from accessing gambling sites, these casino's employ high tech methods, I'm sure they have more than a few ways around that issue too.

 

[The Watchdog]

Banks

Banks do not violate any law by allowing gambling transactions...

But they all want to be in good terms with Uncle Sam, so they lick his balls in any way they can.

If the goverment doesn't approve something, why would you fight it?

Have you seen what happens to people, companies, or countries that regardless what the "law" is, they just don't agree with old Uncle Sam???

Well, if you have not, they all have pretty much fall and being destroyed...

There are 3 ways of doing things, the bad way, the good way and Uncle Sam's way...

 

[suzecat]

Watchdog: is it true that Costa Ricans cannot legally gamble in Costa Rica?

 

[1819]

Or a 90 year old gossip group?

Was the transaction approved? Did Neteller satisfied your need to approve your credit card??

Its true... I won't be posting more in this thread since all it could do is harm. I don't like it and I apologize if all of you guys are spending $200 in tissues for all the tears you are crying...

But, never the less.. .you are just talking to much crap. Some things are just not to be spoken, or at least I preffer to keep my comments to my self.

The person starting this thread has no freaking idea what he is talking about... and if he likes using Neteller he is not helping much either them or online gambling...

what are you 9 years old? go tell the teacher i threw sand at you first. boo hoo. my info is based on what my banks told me. if you know otherwise then say so and stop acting like a schill for neteller. you usually have some great posts. what the hell is going on with this one? help or dont. your choice. but why tell me i have no idea what im talking about when you have no info to lend? peace...

 

[The Watchdog]

Alright

I might be 9, but at least I know how all those declined-approved transactions work.

I sent you a private message buddy, for you to get another point of view how things work...

I still think this thread should be left alone and let it bury...

But if you still want to keep talking about:

Why my card is declined? Why is it now approved? My banks says this, Neteller says the other... I want to play, but the US wont let me. .. bla bla bla... what you are going to cause is fine companies like Neteller and many good casinos on which we all rely and trust start getting problems...

If it was declined in the first place, and then approved... what is the problem???? the objective was achieved.. you were able to fund, play, lose-win, enjoy your self...

 

[The Watchdog]

No

Watchdog: is it true that Costa Ricans cannot legally gamble in Costa Rica?

We are flooded with casinos. We have several casinos in the Capital, San Jose and the surrounding cities. Also there are some poker rooms, which I believe will be increasing in number in the following years. But gambling is 100% legal.

It has become a problem since the casino industry was intended for tourism purposes and most players are Ticos.....Making a wild guess, I think we are on the top 10 list of the countries with more compulsive gambling in the world.

Online gambling is not illegal either. I have never had my credit card declined at an online gambling site, only when is out of funds

However, gambling sites established in the country avoid opening account to Costa Rican citizens... is like an agreement.. Do your business, but don´t mess with the Ticos. Is not illegal, but most of them won´t let you open an account for real money.

I have accounts for real money in several poker rooms located in other countries and had never ran in to any problems.

 

[suzecat]

We are flooded with casinos. We have several casinos in the Capital, San Jose and the surrounding cities. Also there are some poker rooms, which I believe will be increasing in number in the following years. But gambling is 100% legal.

It has become a problem since the casino industry was intended for tourism purposes and most players are Ticos.....Making a wild guess, I think we are on the top 10 list of the countries with more compulsive gambling in the world.

Online gambling is not illegal either. I have never had my credit card declined at an online gambling site, only when is out of funds

However, gambling sites established in the country avoid opening account to Costa Rican citizens... is like an agreement.. Do your business, but don´t mess with the Ticos. Is not illegal, but most of them won´t let you open an account for real money.

I have accounts for real money in several poker rooms located in other countries and had never ran in to any problems.

Appreciate the info. My cousin (US citizen) lives in CR and is married to a CR woman. He told me about the Visa/MC fees and said it was because of gambling and that CR citizens cannot gamble in CR. .

 

[The Watchdog]

Appreciate the info. My cousin (US citizen) lives in CR and is married to a CR woman. He told me about the Visa/MC fees and said it was because of gambling and that CR citizens cannot gamble in CR. .

What does he likes? sports, casino or poker?

If he likes sports.. tell him to visit www.bet365.com... where he will actually find everything.. casino and poker too. But their poker is Prima, so I wouldn´t recommend it.

For Casino, my advise.... Intercasino (but I think they don´t allow ticos) but try Bet365... Playtech software...

And for poker my advise Pokerstars, which I believe wouldn´t be a problem and Titan...

Tell him to oper a Neteller account, he won´t have a problem running his or hers wife credit card if they use Costa Rican Banks

 

[SlotsWizard]

This is just my 2 cents, but...

When credit cards started getting declined for online gambling, I can understand that - the player is spending money which isn't theirs yet.

But for banks to start declining NETeller transactions, this is just plain wrong. The customer already has the money in their account! Who gave the bank the authority to decide what their customers can and cannot spend their hard-earned money on - especially without a notice to the customer???

I'll bet you 50 bucks that these banks would have no problem if the money were being spent at an online porn or wine/alcohol site. Talk about double-standards.

Two gigantic thumbs DOWN to Washington Mutual and Wachovia.

 

[amatrine]

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No doubt. My bank declined any transactions through click2pay. This is getting nuts!

Amatrine

 

[winbig]

No doubt. My bank declined any transactions through click2pay. This is getting nuts!

Amatrine

Everyone just needs to get a Netspend card and use that. Works at all casinos (and poker rooms) that I've tried

As far as withdraws, take a mailed check I guess...

 

[1819]

Everyone just needs to get a Netspend card and use that. Works at all casinos (and poker rooms) that I've tried

As far as withdraws, take a mailed check I guess...

netspend is great. use it all the time when im in florida( u can reload them anywhere). when im in ny and nj though, there is nowhere here to reload them and i dont think you can load them online with visa.

 

[frufrugirl]

No doubt. My bank declined any transactions through click2pay. This is getting nuts!

Amatrine

Which bank ? Ya know, maybe we should start a thread abount which banks are declining ewallet transactions(us banks) and which ewallet is being declined at that particular bank.

 

[amatrine]

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I go through a credit union. If they even suspect anything is from online gambling, they will not accept it.

When I had neteller, twice they declined withdrawls from my neteller to my bank. I had to call my bank to get them to accept the money.

Click2 pay they wont even accept them on my account. So I cant spend or withdrwal. I had a cashout in my click2pay and to withdrwal it back to the casino because I had to way else to get it,lol

So I just pretty much stick with Inet now and do the overnight expresss. It sucks waiting for it, but I at least know it will get here hassle free.

I use central coin to deposit, but unfortunaley the casinos do not use it to
pay you, and most casinos do not even use them as an option, but its the only one I can get my bank to take,lol

Now I have never tried moneybookers, but Ive heard bad about them as well as good, and after my neteller fiasco, Im just gonna steer clear.

I used to have wells fargo and never had all these problems. When we bought our car, this bank finanaced us for it, so we switched our bank to it,
with the thinking that with a perfect payment history on the loan, we can later use them for a house loan. Wells fargo denied us our car loan.

Anyway I think all banks are heading down this road in the very near future.
Im tired of being told what I can spend my money on.

Amatrine

 

[AussieDave]

Although I'm not in USA I signed up to Moneybookers. Bank to Bank transfer of funds which goes to a bank, not as in the case with Neteller where it goes thru an intermediary bank then onto Netellers account.

Refunds are the same process.

Maybe worth looking into. Also unlike Neteller, Moneybookers is registered in the UK and is bound by UK financial laws


Other than that, you could always look into doing a direct bank wire to the casino. I'm sure most of their accounts would be held under subsiduary company names and would not red light their casino interests. Maybe worth checking out too.

 

[The Watchdog]

Neteller

Transfers from Neteller to bank accounts are not a problem.. only with US banks they might be.

I live in Costa Rica and requesting a payout to your bank account is no problem at all. Pretty sure it works the same with any other country. US policies just suck regarding gambling. They have control on what you can and cant buy.

Any ways, a good tip is to use Netellers ATM card, that wont fail. Is only a $4 fee regardless the amount and the card works in almost every freaking ATM in the world.

Also, why dont the average US online gambler opens a bank account in Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica or any other country.. I am pretty sure all those banks wont have a problem accepting your business and those accounts are not reachable by the tentacles of the US goverment. Then all you need to do is request an International Debit Card and there you go... Online gambling with debit card, neteller, bank wires hassle free...

 

[sillybilly]

Maybe worth looking into. Also unlike Neteller, Moneybookers is registered in the UK and is bound by UK financial laws


.

Neteller is a PLC registered on the London AIM exchange and is FSA regulated.
Theyre just not as good as moneybookers.

 

[1819]

Transfers from Neteller to bank accounts are not a problem.. only with US banks they might be.

I live in Costa Rica and requesting a payout to your bank account is no problem at all. Pretty sure it works the same with any other country. US policies just suck regarding gambling. They have control on what you can and cant buy.

Any ways, a good tip is to use Netellers ATM card, that wont fail. Is only a $4 fee regardless the amount and the card works in almost every freaking ATM in the world.

Also, why dont the average US online gambler opens a bank account in Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica or any other country.. I am pretty sure all those banks wont have a problem accepting your business and those accounts are not reachable by the tentacles of the US goverment. Then all you need to do is request an International Debit Card and there you go... Online gambling with debit card, neteller, bank wires hassle free...

great point about an out of country bank but after 9/11 we have "9/11" laws here in the states. opening an offshore account or a canadian one was a breeze. not anymore. even at home its tougher. my one house is on the new york new jersey border and there is a local bank a block away. they wont open an account for me because i have an out of state drivers license. i stick with 2 national banks but, as stated before, they wont accept net or click or firepay anymore! i never knew "big brother" was such a ball buster.