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Has this one got wings? Something different at last, but oh! that bloody math model AGAIN! 
New Slot Announcement Archangels: Salvation by Netent
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At least Netent is trying some different stuff.
That said, a slot like Asgardian Stones is not very amusing to play and I find the win potential not really mind blowing.
Shall check your new video Dunover.
That said, a slot like Asgardian Stones is not very amusing to play and I find the win potential not really mind blowing.
Shall check your new video Dunover.
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Honestly - i think that's just a poor attempt to be different... but it's not actually that different.
It's just a random wilds game with a trigger for the wilds...
It's just a random wilds game with a trigger for the wilds...
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holy cow. its honestly the worst game i have ever played. and i played Finn and whatever too.
Played it well over 1000 spins in demo yesterday. it was horrible, had one win over 15x (and 3 full rows of that girl angel thing is 15x). had like 50 teases no free spins
today i played it at both Casilando and Rizk, started at $115 , 40c - 80c bets and not a single win of over 10x and no free spins either. I had 2x double wild feature that manged to pay peanuts, even if second one had archangel symbol all over the place it still couldnt connect even with like 80 extra wilds added. It just kept adding wilds on places that were either no win or covered by big symbol already.
once again ive had over 20 dead spins in a row on first play of new Netent and generally speaking hit ratio is probably around 10% and it can pay as low as 1/20th bet.
Too bad because production value is kinda ok, but getting stuff like 40 lines of something just to pay 2,8x, after 20 dead spins... its just too tilty and just not fun at all. Its not that i cant take a beating, my fav slots are merkurs and novos afterall but this is just something ... bad.
It really is a horrible, horrible slot and it really makes me wonder do netent developers actually play their slots at all?
Played it well over 1000 spins in demo yesterday. it was horrible, had one win over 15x (and 3 full rows of that girl angel thing is 15x). had like 50 teases no free spins
today i played it at both Casilando and Rizk, started at $115 , 40c - 80c bets and not a single win of over 10x and no free spins either. I had 2x double wild feature that manged to pay peanuts, even if second one had archangel symbol all over the place it still couldnt connect even with like 80 extra wilds added. It just kept adding wilds on places that were either no win or covered by big symbol already.
once again ive had over 20 dead spins in a row on first play of new Netent and generally speaking hit ratio is probably around 10% and it can pay as low as 1/20th bet.
Too bad because production value is kinda ok, but getting stuff like 40 lines of something just to pay 2,8x, after 20 dead spins... its just too tilty and just not fun at all. Its not that i cant take a beating, my fav slots are merkurs and novos afterall but this is just something ... bad.
It really is a horrible, horrible slot and it really makes me wonder do netent developers actually play their slots at all?
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Max win of 375x bet. One word....NEXT!!!
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I will not be wasting money on this one, sad job Netent
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When I read the early announcements that the slot will have 100 pay lines (a first for Netent), I thought that they will finally come up with a Bonanza contender or at least something in the ball park. The Wild feature has potential but then the line pays are just abysmal.
375x bet for a full screen over 100 pay-lines won't have players lining up to hit the reels on this one. Plus no multiplier, no re-triggers in the Free Spins.
I did some 5,000 test spins to write my review and was thoroughly bored, vowing that I will never play it for real money!
375x bet for a full screen over 100 pay-lines won't have players lining up to hit the reels on this one. Plus no multiplier, no re-triggers in the Free Spins.
I did some 5,000 test spins to write my review and was thoroughly bored, vowing that I will never play it for real money!
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Great graphics and awful mechanic. I told you all it was utterly dreadful, an execrable slot. If they stop using St*rb*rst as a math model we may see some more exciting games. I mean why not reduce the pays again by 50% and make it 18-rows high? 
Totally pointless egg-timer, nothing to see here so move on.
Totally pointless egg-timer, nothing to see here so move on.
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It would be interesting to know how much the CM hatred of games correlates to the performance of those games in casinos...
My guess is it probably doesn't correlate that much
My guess is it probably doesn't correlate that much
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It would be interesting to know how much the CM hatred of games correlates to the performance of those games in casinos...
My guess is it probably doesn't correlate that much
True.
What people say and what people do are often totally opposites! - Take Bonanza for a perfect example, slagged off daily yet we all continually blow our balances on it.
Starburst is pretty much hated by this community, yet continues to remain a "top earner"
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It would be interesting to know how much the CM hatred of games correlates to the performance of those games in casinos...
My guess is it probably doesn't correlate that much
Starburst is the slot that has received the most bets this year at TradaCasino. In addition, it was played by the highest number of individual players, so its not just a small number of Starburst fanatics messing with the figures.
I'm not a fan Starburst myself, but its been consistently number one for as long as I can remember!
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It would be interesting to know how much the CM hatred of games correlates to the performance of those games in casinos...
My guess is it probably doesn't correlate that much
the thing is, bonanza is actually a good slot. most btg slots are. For all its faults bonanza even if it doesnt give features can keep your balance alive for a loooong time.
Ive played bonanza for 10s thousands of spins and ive never had as many dead spins in a row compared to just first 100 spins on this abomination. All that while it doesnt offer even 1/10th of bonanzas potential?
It has everything you dont want in a slot. Low pays for what looks like full screen of %$(#. Random features that can take ages to come (extra wilds) that pay peanuts and too many teases because 2 scatters dont pay anything so... why not?
so yeah im sure people still play slots that are not well received here, but im also 100% positive this one wont go in the books as one of the greatest slots ever made. Or as a good slot at that.
it all boils down to... new slot that has low max win potential, 1/10 or so hit rate and tons of extra tilting things about it. Why on earth would you play this one instead of 100's of other slots out there? How many new netent slots are actually still played? Finn? This one? assguard stones?
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Yeah, but Starburst is the slot nearly all casinos use as their "promo" slot for new players. So it's not surprising...
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I don't think that is the only reason. I was hooked at Starburst too when it came, and if it hadn't been for cm where I learned that it was pointless to play it, I would still play it I guess.
For some reason I think especially women like these kinds of slots. We like easy and good looking slots
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I mean, if St*rb*rst is that popular it shows how the playing public have been hoodwinked and conditioned to crap over their gambling careers. It's a simple game, designed for simpletons too and has been mercilessly flogged to new depositors whom it's assumed will be baffled by anything more complicated. It's also 'safe' for promotions as firstly it's never been recorded to have paid its whopping 500x bet top prize and secondly due to the game mechanic, volatility and math model it will almost certainly bust every fool who tries to wager a bonus on it.
St*rb*rst is simply fodder for casinos and that's why over 20 developers have a version of it. The game is evil.
St*rb*rst is simply fodder for casinos and that's why over 20 developers have a version of it. The game is evil.
If other players take solace in Starburst and its kind then that's their problem for not researching what else is out there. Reason Starburst and its ilk are popular is its visual endearment and simplicity. It's good 'bait' for new punters who've never played slots before.
That's not to say it doesn't deserve to burn in hell. Fact is most players end up frequenting CM to learn what good slots are out there. Other than Starburst of course
That's not to say it doesn't deserve to burn in hell. Fact is most players end up frequenting CM to learn what good slots are out there. Other than Starburst of course
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Has this one got wings? Something different at last, but oh! that bloody math model AGAIN!
Hi fella good graphics defo agree with the whole no big win feel
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Warning!!! Read this before playing this game.
Max pay of 375x you say? Feature must be pretty frequent then, dunover had a couple in his 12 minute review right?
Well it took me 1330 spins to trigger my first feature, which paid 3x bet.
Lost $500. Must have had two scatters fifty times or more. No decent basegame hits.
I am done with netent.
Dan VS can verify my stats.
Max pay of 375x you say? Feature must be pretty frequent then, dunover had a couple in his 12 minute review right?
Well it took me 1330 spins to trigger my first feature, which paid 3x bet.
Lost $500. Must have had two scatters fifty times or more. No decent basegame hits.
I am done with netent.
Dan VS can verify my stats.
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my rtp at videoslots is 25%
overall ive played around 1000 spins without feature... poor game but hey.. its netent
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No need for Dan to verify anything anymore. Videoslots have added a new RTP feature to the site. You can check your RTP for any game by searching for it by going to "My Profile" & then "My RTP". Search the game and you will find all your stats for it
NotEnt are the worst provider online, hands down. I'm still surprised to find people playing thier new releases.
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No need for Dan to verify anything anymore. Videoslots have added a new RTP feature to the site. You can check your RTP for any game by searching for it by going to "My Profile" & then "My RTP". Search the game and you will find all your stats for it
NotEnt are the worst provider online, hands down. I'm still surprised to find people playing thier new releases.
Oh I know, that's where I got the 1330 spin figure from- I just meant incase anyone didn't believe me.
I know I could barely believe it.
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That review I played 4-500 spins in I believe. 1300 is unlucky, but it staggers me as to why anyone would chase a game when say 50-150x bet down, it's a Netent and there's little chance of getting 100x in the feature anyway? It's basically like St*rb*rst and once down over 50x it's nearly impossible to recover, Netent egg-timer mechanic.
Man those NetEnt games must generate soooo much money for the casinos. Nearly 0% chance for the player to make a cashout while playing them.
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I was mainly in a state of shock, I just couldn't believe what I was seeing and kept thinking "surely in the next 50 spins"...
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Which is precisely the reason for their massive share drop, players can see NetEnt tailors their games for casino profit, not actually for giving the player a chance of winning, other providers have probably noticed too and started to make games that the player stands a chance of actually winning on, NetEnt is the master of the controlled loss maths model, I am happy to see them struggling so bad, they deserve it.
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Heh
Remember this 300,000+ spins experiment from 2012?
Unfortunately, yes.
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So to be clear, six years later, we've still never seen a screenshot of a full screen of BARs?
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took a free spin offer on this game 75 free spins at .40 stake total return 1.06 utter filth as dunover would say
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Im curious to know if Netbent reads the feedback on threads like this? Does it bother them that people actually don't want to play their slots anymore? Do they care that people perceive their slots to have no winning potential?
Does it even worry them that they have lost so much market share and can't create a decent slot to save their lives?
Im really curious!?
Nate
Does it even worry them that they have lost so much market share and can't create a decent slot to save their lives?
Im really curious!?
Nate
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It seems like netent has made really good deal with casinos.. no matter what they release casinos will take their slots, or does casinos HAVE to take their slots ? 
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