Another long conspiracy thought..

4 of a kind

Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll
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Prior to the UIGEA in 2006 I was playing loyal to pretty much the same three casinos. Not long after the new law was passed two of the three casinos left the US market and only one remained. Of course the only one that remained was also the only RTG casino of the three, which turned out to be rogue. I didnt know it was rogue, until becoming frustrated after a few bad sessions, and feeling I needed alternate places to play when things cooled off at a certain casino as I did in the past. While searching for new USA casinos and reputable ones, (something I havent done for years), I eventually ended up here and read all the bad news about the rogue casino I was still playing at. Of course I saw the light and no longer play there.

Over the years all the withdrawals that made it through the approval waiting period (usually a minimum of 2 weeks) that werent reversed and lost were eventually paid. Over the years I lost a ton and now from being here understand how the rogues work and why I was paid. I with no doubt was classified by them an action player and therefore a guaranteed loser. I caught them several times over the years over 20k and 30k. I would then binge play with max bets sometimes for a week or two with those funds, and if I were lucky I might make it to a 2k cash out before going bust. I of course never tried to cash out when I was up these large amounts, and its obvious I would have never saw the funds, which is the usual way most people eventually find out there playing at a rogue.

I for the last several months have been playing and sampling several different casinos. Not receiving the crazy bonuses I received from my rogue, I of course have smaller starting bankrolls, and of course expected shorter sessions. This leads to more deposits, and with no hits to speak of larger loses. As Im certain you could tell Im not having a good year. (So far)

Recently Ive been reading a lot of threads, and posts, here about the lack of big hits or random jackpots being hit. One person in a thread recently mentioned something like 12 years of consistent playing at RTG casinos without a random hit ever. In addition there have been a lot of posts recently accusing several casinos of tight play, and of course discussions about the magic switch theory that casinos can use to kill a winning streak.

Could it be once I was confirmed a classified action / loser / depositor player at the rogue I was playing, I was given maybe a different download. I couldnt even begin to tell you how many times after signing in I got another up-date at the rogue. Something I don't think I even saw once yet at the casinos I'm playing now. Why I say this is the endless hits and action I was getting at the rogue, that I actually thought was the norm. Of course 95 % of all these sessions ended with the same outcome $0.00.

For example when playing the real-series slots (Green Light) I would trigger the bonus round, come in first or second in first race and win the second race for 100 xs bet several times. In another I might retrigger bonus spins 3-4-5 times and have like 50 free spins still to play. I hit a total of 4 random jackpots, and once hitting one, and during the same session hitting another one on a different game. Royal flushes in video poker at least one every two to three months. One Christmas holiday I hit a royal flush in three different poker games in less then a week. I even hit a royal flush in let it ride once. Sad to say I love the action and with all this and much more they are way, way, way, ahead. Little did I know I certainly would have never received any large cash-outs had I tried.

I personally cant help but think something is strange. Yes, I understand my recent starting bankrolls are smaller, but I could assure you that although smaller, they are consistent. For the last couple of months if I hit a bonus round while playing green light, I cant ever get to the second race needing to come in first or second in the first. Royal flushes???? A joke, if I catch four of a kind in one session it was a good night.

Ive dedicated my time the last six months to 8 different recommended casinos. Im not really complaining knowing and understanding that a couple of months of getting my clock cleaned fit perfectly with expected variance. But with no doubt in my mind things are different now then with the rogue.

I guess just to throw another log into the conspiracy fire; if they know youre an action player / loser can they possibly have the power to feed you your needs while confiscating your money?? If they can have this type of control, what else can they do? Did I hit all these great wins, expecting me to give it all back, meanwhile not having to pay randoms to control gamblers that would have cashed out? I know this is going rather far, but my mind lately has been in a real tail spin.

Im certain many of you would say a rogue is capable of anything, but if they can do this what would stop anyone else from similar things.

I belong only to this gambling forum although occasionally read others. Every once in a rare while I read about a decent cash-out, but they are far and few between. I also recognize that many controlled players here would have had plenty decent cash-outs with half the luck I had at the rogue, yet I dont see much of this at all.

If you stuck around and read this whole thread, I was just wondering what you think? Or am I talking out of my butt??
 
Prior to the UIGEA in 1996 I was playing loyal to pretty much the same three casinos. Not long after the new law was passed two of the three casinos left the US market and only one remained. Of course the only one that remained was also the only RTG casino of the three, which turned out to be rogue. I didnt know it was rogue, until becoming frustrated after a few bad sessions, and feeling I needed alternate places to play when things cooled off at a certain casino as I did in the past. While searching for new USA casinos and reputable ones, (something I havent done for years), I eventually ended up here and read all the bad news about the rogue casino I was still playing at. Of course I saw the light and no longer play there.

Over the years all the withdrawals that made it through the approval waiting period (usually a minimum of 2 weeks) that werent reversed and lost were eventually paid. Over the years I lost a ton and now from being here understand how the rogues work and why I was paid. I with no doubt was classified by them an action player and therefore a guaranteed loser. I caught them several times over the years over 20k and 30k. I would then binge play with max bets sometimes for a week or two with those funds, and if I were lucky I might make it to a 2k cash out before going bust. I of course never tried to cash out when I was up these large amounts, and its obvious I would have never saw the funds, which is the usual way most people eventually find out there playing at a rogue.

I for the last several months have been playing and sampling several different casinos. Not receiving the crazy bonuses I received from my rogue, I of course have smaller starting bankrolls, and of course expected shorter sessions. This leads to more deposits, and with no hits to speak of larger loses. As Im certain you could tell Im not having a good year. (So far)

Recently Ive been reading a lot of threads, and posts, here about the lack of big hits or random jackpots being hit. One person in a thread recently mentioned something like 12 years of consistent playing at RTG casinos without a random hit ever. In addition there have been a lot of posts recently accusing several casinos of tight play, and of course discussions about the magic switch theory that casinos can use to kill a winning streak.

Could it be once I was confirmed a classified action / loser / depositor player at the rogue I was playing, I was given maybe a different download. I couldnt even begin to tell you how many times after signing in I got another up-date at the rogue. Something I don't think I even saw once yet at the casinos I'm playing now. Why I say this is the endless hits and action I was getting at the rogue, that I actually thought was the norm. Of course 95 % of all these sessions ended with the same outcome $0.00.

For example when playing the real-series slots (Green Light) I would trigger the bonus round, come in first or second in first race and win the second race for 100 xs bet several times. In another I might retrigger bonus spins 3-4-5 times and have like 50 free spins still to play. I hit a total of 4 random jackpots, and once hitting one, and during the same session hitting another one on a different game. Royal flushes in video poker at least one every two to three months. One Christmas holiday I hit a royal flush in three different poker games in less then a week. I even hit a royal flush in let it ride once. Sad to say I love the action and with all this and much more they are way, way, way, ahead. Little did I know I certainly would have never received any large cash-outs had I tried.

I personally cant help but think something is strange. Yes, I understand my recent starting bankrolls are smaller, but I could assure you that although smaller, they are consistent. For the last couple of months if I hit a bonus round while playing green light, I cant ever get to the second race needing to come in first or second in the first. Royal flushes???? A joke, if I catch four of a kind in one session it was a good night.

Ive dedicated my time the last six months to 8 different recommended casinos. Im not really complaining knowing and understanding that a couple of months of getting my clock cleaned fit perfectly with expected variance. But with no doubt in my mind things are different now then with the rogue.

I guess just to throw another log into the conspiracy fire; if they know youre an action player / loser can they possibly have the power to feed you your needs while confiscating your money?? If they can have this type of control, what else can they do?

Im certain many of you would say a rogue is capable of anything, but if they can do this what would stop anyone else from similar things.

I belong only to this gambling forum although occasionally read others. Every once in a rare while I read about a decent cash-out, but they are far and few between. I also recognize that many controlled players here would have had plenty decent cash-outs with half the luck I had at the rogue, yet I dont see much of this at all.

If you stuck around and read this whole thread, I was just wondering what you think? Or am I talking out of my butt??
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Thanks I'll correct... Plus I added another sentence.
Of course, I know a few weeks does not make a horserace. That said, pandemic very bad negative variance results began across multiple RTG's after I was cut off for maintenance (coincidence, dunno) at a casino. Anyway I prefer results to conspiracy theories and even those will not prove anything, only give me the ability to make an informed decision so I do not hopefully ever lose my home, this is no joke!!

Only one casino has cooperated with almost instant results which I will be glad to publish but I prefer the macro results. Also of note is the casino that I was cut-off without notice for maintenance, keeps referring that the information will have to be come from their "Software Provider". I doubt the already received results from another casino that were made available within hours of my original request on a Saturday came from the "Software Provider".

To date, only one reply to the following:

Hello,
I am requesting statistical information for all slot play (include all play no matter the source of funding whether via player's and/or casino's deposit,loyalty,promo,cash back,etc.) commencing on the exact date of July 28,2009 (no sooner but all thereafter) through the current request date of Saturday August 22, 2009.

During this period summary data for each individual game should be totaled as follows:
1. Total RTP
2. Total Games Played
3. Total Base Games Played
4. Total Free Spins and/Bonus Games Played
5. Total Wagered By Player
6. Total Win/Loss By Player
7. Total RTP in Base Games Played
8. Total RTP in Free Spins and/Bonus Games Played

All of the above should be properly supported by all slot game play logs for the subject time period mentioned above in an Excel spreadsheet properly formatted ((separate columns for dates as each game should be time stamped, text, numerals,etc. should be provided. Please do not combine for example "Paydirt 2.00" in the same column!!)) sorted with the sort criteria being primary by each game of same slot game and secondary being date order.

Thank you for your attention to this important matter. A prompt response is expected and appreciated.

Sincerely,
Garry
 
Only one casino has cooperated with almost instant results which I will be glad to publish but I prefer the macro results.

During this period summary data for each individual game should be totaled as follows:
1. Total RTP
2. Total Games Played
3. Total Base Games Played
4. Total Free Spins and/Bonus Games Played
5. Total Wagered By Player
6. Total Win/Loss By Player
7. Total RTP in Base Games Played
8. Total RTP in Free Spins and/Bonus Games Played

Did they give you this info without asking any questions?
 
Did they give you this info without asking any questions?
They=??? and questions=??? (Is this just a figure of speech per se?), just want to be sure I understand your question in entirety before answering, my bad if I missed something but will gladly answer anything I may have caused prior confusion and post the results of the only reply to date if you desire:)
 
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I have had a similar problem as "4 of a kind" just recently, but my experiance was with a highly reccomended casino. As a matter of fact I posted here in the complaints area and also contacted the Rep. I just started playing online in January of this year so I really researched where to deposit my money, I decieded on one ( I won't mention the name as I don't know if thats allowed as I can't prove anything) anyway after several deposits I won about $500, I requested a withdrawl but reversed it. After that I made another deposit, in the middle of playing I got a message saying" random jackpot cannot be accessed" on all the games, support told me to log out for 10min,after 1 hour of trying and getting a message that I was already logged in I called and they let me back in. I lost, on the next deposit (i made two that day) the software started acting erratic, reels would keep spinning, stop abruptly, symbals would change after the reels stopped and each time I tried to exit a game and return to the lobby I would disconnect from the server. To say the least all my money was gone in less than a hour. They too sent me a log of my play, it told me nothing but a lot of losses and few wins. They claim the software was working properly but I disagree something was wrong. I made some deposits after that but never got above my deposit amount. Yesterday I decieded to play elsewhere and won $1500, I won't be going back to the first casino and I do believe that they have the ability to effect a persons play.
 
what i have found suspicious is that every time i take a welcome bonus i win big (like 400 on rtg with only 25 cents bet) but if i just deposit without bonus i win nothing. happens every time! twice on rtg and one time on rival. it's like they let you win so you would keep depositing at there casino (wich ofcourse then you would loose)
 

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