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Propaganda is not actual North Koreans escaping the country and talking about it. Are you calling these people liars?

There is no need for propaganda at all, what would be the point of it?

The USA took on the role as the world police to some extent. And btw since you and Harry for some reason think its only the USA trying to tell NK no to nukes, I suggest you guys look it up. Because its almost every country in the world that is against it.

But yes lets play the anti american game and blame the USA for everything.

And btw when you state propaganda, what you see on BBC is exactly that.

There are very many Countries who are in bed with America for their own benefits, including the UK and its BBC. I have no illusions about that. I am also in no way suggesting that NK are a model Country. Far from it so I have no argument about their people escaping if they have the chance too.

What right do America have that enables them to dictate to other nations their right to have a nuclear deterrent? The only Country to ever use Nuclear weapons is America.
 
I was being sarcastic except for the UN funding, that I'd pull. I would not bet on some world peace paradise in this scenario. My guess is the some world leaders would become emboldened. We kinda saw a glimpse of it when the last Admin pulled back.

In any event, you're preaching to wrong hombre. I'm as pro America as one can get. It's just more of your anti-America/can non-sense.

You had no right to be there in the first place. The ME has been a hornets nest for millennia, the US thinking that marching in with their mighty fire power will sort it all out in a few weeks was pure utopia.

I am certainly not anti-America/can, I am only against the US thinking that they can dictate to anyone and any country on what they are allowed and not.
 
This entire post is absolutely ridiculous. I almost wasnt going to respond because you constantly show how uninformed you are. And instead of trying to discuss it, you get backed into a corner because I call you out on your garbage and you start with the eyeroll emotes and making it personal.

They arent a neighboring country? What does that have to do with absolutely anything when they make weapons purposely designed to reach America.

Maybe because the US has 1,000's of weapons that can reach NK!

Nobody made an effort to try and speak with them? I have a question, do you honestly know anything about this at all or are you just so anti american you spit BS from everywhere and anything you can think of?

Nobody has spoken to the latest Kim seriously

The clinton administration had direct conversations and came to an agreement. Guess who broke that agreement?

The Obama administration tried DOZENS of times to have talks with them but each and every time they refused. This is well noted

Trump publicly stated he would like to meet with Kim and have discussions.

Trump was never serious about it. He never made a real effort to speak to him

Do I consider trump to be stable? Is he the one running around threatening to kill millions of innocent people because he is mad? Or is it someone else?

Yes, he does, see my first post on this thread on how many countries he issued a warning that "all options are on the table", that would certainly kill millions of innocent people.

Nobody else is making noise??? NK is threatening the USA. So of course its going to be the USA being the front runner when it comes to making noise. Last time I checked Japan and SK are making an awful lot of noise too. Canada, france and the UK have also made public statements about this.

The US has been the nation who has called the most UN emergency meetings in the past decade and has brought in the most resolution proposals. Luckily, they can not decide all by themselves and most of those proposals were watered down.


Because he was sitting in front of a map? This proves even further you have absolutely no idea about anything of this at all. These comments were released by state controlled media in north korea. Like it was shown on large Tv in their city and other cities releasing the statement.

Haha, shows again you have no clue what propaganda is.

Firing many type of missiles towards any country is an act of aggression and an outright threat. Nice try downplaying it though like its just another normal day in the world.

None of the missiles entered the territory, even over water, of those countries. And all missiles were completely unarmed.

Please tell me what America has done since you think they are just defending themself? Absolutely nothing but try and get them to give up their nuclear program from an unstable person.

Keeping a full army presence on the KP since the armistice and constantly threatening to use it. Flying attack simulations over the PK in frequent intervals. Yes, the US are trying to dictate who is allowed to have nukes and who not. What makes them the moral authority of this planet to make that decision?

So before when it is was good for your argument, you acted like CNN BBC ABC and all other news agencies in the world didnt produce propaganda but now suddenly you think CNN BBC etc are all liars making stuff up. So which is it?

Never said the MSM are liars. They report on NK what little comes out from there.

You calling one of the oldest broadcasting institutions (BBC) propaganda disqualifies you as a serious partner in a political discussion. For many years, BBC World Radio was the only voice that would give me an indication on how the world is out there. You never experienced life situations like that or lived in a closed-up country, hence you don't really know what propaganda is.

My words are certainly not garbage. I exchange my views regularly with people from around the world and there is rarely somebody having other thoughts concerning the issues i brought up in the posts.
 
To the question who is the USA to tell other countries if they can have or not have nuclear weapons: someone has to. And someone has to lead. And the USA has taken on that role. You may all not agree with it but I don't see any other country willing to do so.

This is worst than the trump thread with the anti american rhetoric.
 
A recent poll in America found that a slight majority of American's now believe that 9/11 was an inside job. What are your thoughts?

I think some things are strange. And I know that sometimes difficult decisions have to be made, for the greater good, but not something people are ready to accept.
But an inside job, no. I don't think it was. Some inside help maybe, don't know.

I saw a movie, "13 Hours The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi". Nice movie, made me look things up about Libya. Invasion, murders of all the "bad mans" family members (included kids) and the begining of modern terrorism (ISIS).
How is life now in Libya? Is it better for the people or 100 times worst? Was it all for this:

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There are very many Countries who are in bed with America for their own benefits, including the UK and its BBC. I have no illusions about that. I am also in no way suggesting that NK are a model Country. Far from it so I have no argument about their people escaping if they have the chance too.

What right do America have that enables them to dictate to other nations their right to have a nuclear deterrent? The only Country to ever use Nuclear weapons is America.

Again why are you saying America?

Their was a united nation vote and all 15 countries voted against NK having nukes. Including China and Russia. The same Russia the veto's most things USA is even on board with them.

And lets just say its only the USA for argument sake. So are you suggesting nobody get involved and every single country can have nukes if they want? if thats not the case then who is in the position to stand up against countries who want nuclear weapons?


My words are certainly not garbage. I exchange my views regularly with people from around the world and there is rarely somebody having other thoughts concerning the issues i brought up in the posts.



Maybe because the US has 1,000's of weapons that can reach NK!

Ok and? They didnt make weapons for the sole purpose to threaten NK. Unlike NK.

Trump was never serious about it. He never made a real effort to speak to him

Proof?

But all past administrations have. You know the ones you tried saying didnt.

Yes, he does, see my first post on this thread on how many countries he issued a warning that "all options are on the table", that would certainly kill millions of innocent people.

All options are on the table is not saying we will launch nuclear weapons and destroy your country now is it? What has Trump said about this sort of thing since the beginning? This will always be his answer to every situation because he is not going to let other countries know what they are doing like the Obama admin used to do.

He named 3 countries from your list which I already touched.

One country threatening destruction to all of america. The other Iran who has classes on hating americans and jews where the government hold prayers and chant death to america.

The US has been the nation who has called the most UN emergency meetings in the past decade and has brought in the most resolution proposals. Luckily, they can not decide all by themselves and most of those proposals were watered down.

Which is exactly what they should be doing

Haha, shows again you have no clue what propaganda is.

Feel free to explain. Laughing and telling me I dont know what something means is not really an argument. Are you saying the NK is the one pushing out the propaganda? If so, thats their problem. They should be held accountable for death threats to entire populations.

None of the missiles entered the territory, even over water, of those countries. And all missiles were completely unarmed.

As per wikipedia

On August 29, 2017, at 5:57 am KST, North Korea launched a Hwasong-12 ballistic missile that passed over Hokkaido, the second largest island of Japan. The missile travelled 2,700 kilometres (1,700 mi) and reached a maximum height of 550 kilometres (340 mi). This was the second successful test flight of the Hwasong-12 missile, following three failed tests.

Events
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe called this test "a reckless act of launching a missile that flies over our country is an unprecedented, serious and important threat."[5] North Korea had previously carefully avoided sending test missiles over Japan by using highly lofted trajectories, and had sent more recent satellite launches to the south avoiding Japan. The missile was at an altitude of about 500 kilometres (310 mi) over Japan, well into space, and the Japanese military did not attempt to shoot down the missile.

Japanese citizens living beneath the missile’s flight path received a J-Alert message on their cellphones at 6:02 a.m., just four minutes after the projectile was launched, rousing some from sleep.

The missile was launched from Pyongyang Sunan International Airport, presumably using a mobile launcher. It reportedly broke into three parts before splashing down in the Pacific Ocean; it is unclear if this was intentional. Given North Korea's geographical position, for a non-lofted test flight at this range there was no other practical alternative to passing over Japan.

This was the fifth time North Korea fired a rocket over the Japanese archipelago, although this launch was the first missile launch, since North Korea claimed the other four to be satellite launch attempts[/QUOTE]

2017 - North Korea Fired a Short Range Ballistic Missile into the Sea of Japan (May 29, 2017). It traveled 450 km

2017 - North Korea fired several missiles into the Sea of Japan (June 8, 2017). They are believed to be anti-ship missiles. The South Korean military said the launches show the reclusive regime's "precise targeting capability.

and on and on and on

These are blatant acts of aggression.

Keeping a full army presence on the KP since the armistice and constantly threatening to use it. Flying attack simulations over the PK in frequent intervals. Yes, the US are trying to dictate who is allowed to have nukes and who not. What makes them the moral authority of this planet to make that decision?

When you threaten the destruction of their country, thats what gives them authority. And again its not just the US. Im not sure you keep saying this.

You calling one of the oldest broadcasting institutions (BBC) propaganda disqualifies you as a serious partner in a political discussion. For many years, BBC World Radio was the only voice that would give me an indication on how the world is out there. You never experienced life situations like that or lived in a closed-up country, hence you don't really know what propaganda is.

So which is it they pump out propaganda or they dont? Because you do realize BBC has been one of the main news outlets reporting on North Korea and what you say is lies. So again, I ask you. Is BBC lying when it makes all these claims about North Korea?
 
To the question who is the USA to tell other countries if they can have or not have nuclear weapons: someone has to. And someone has to lead. And the USA has taken on that role. You may all not agree with it but I don't see any other country willing to do so.

This is worst than the trump thread with the anti american rhetoric.

Agree there but it is not anti-American as in against American people. That would be certainly not right.

The faith of the planet (nukes have the potential to extinct life on earth) should never rest with one country. No country should be that powerful to dictate all others what they can have and what not. While most American leaders will use the nukes only as deterrent, you never know with people like Trump since there is nothing in between the president and pressing that button. Nobody can stop him from ordering it, that was set up decades ago during the Cold War to allow for a quick response.
 
I don't see this thread being anti-American Stevidoo.

Some posts do criticise actions taken by the US, and rightly so. Things certainly look different if you're in Americas, Europe or Asia. What some americans see as a justified action and a something inherently good and acceptable, others see as aggression and meddling in something they shouldn't.

Funny thing about BBC. I remember how things were before internet was available everywhere. When travelling the US, you were pretty much out of the loop in regards to world events. When you boarded the plane back to Europe and had a chance to read non-US newspapers and see e.g. BBC news, it really was a different world. You got actual news and not news through red, white and blue goggles -- A slight over exaggeration, but this is how it seemed.
 
I don't see this thread being anti-American Stevidoo.

Some posts do criticise actions taken by the US, and rightly so. Things certainly look different if you're in Americas, Europe or Asia. What some americans see as a justified action and a something inherently good and acceptable, others see as aggression and meddling in something they shouldn't.

Funny thing about BBC. I remember how things were before internet was available everywhere. When travelling the US, you were pretty much out of the loop in regards to world events. When you boarded the plane back to Europe and had a chance to read non-US newspapers and see e.g. BBC news, it really was a different world. You got actual news and not news through red, white and blue goggles -- A slight over exaggeration, but this is how it seemed.


So you are telling me that when I come to the uk I will not see a uk slant in your news....I will be getting actual news???.....come on....the news guys will spin it any way they want for money, for ratings, for anything they want to put forward...that is everywhere in the world not just in the USA.
If you own the news you can spin it any way you want regardless of country.

As for there being no anti American sentiment in these posts...I disagree...just re read the last paragraph in your post.....

....it's subtle but it's there....
 
Again why are you saying America?

Their was a united nation vote and all 15 countries voted against NK having nukes. Including China and Russia. The same Russia the veto's most things USA is even on board with them.

And lets just say its only the USA for argument sake. So are you suggesting nobody get involved and every single country can have nukes if they want? if thats not the case then who is in the position to stand up against countries who want nuclear weapons?

I am saying America because America choose to be the World's policeman. Of course ideally there would be no such thing as nukes but as this is not an ideal World then I see no reason why one Country should have them while another is barred from having them.
Personally I can not see NK ever using their Nukes unless they are targeted with Nukes first.
 
Agree there but it is not anti-American as in against American people. That would be certainly not right.

The faith of the planet (nukes have the potential to extinct life on earth) should never rest with one country. No country should be that powerful to dictate all others what they can have and what not. While most American leaders will use the nukes only as deterrent, you never know with people like Trump since there is nothing in between the president and pressing that button. Nobody can stop him from ordering it, that was set up decades ago during the Cold War to allow for a quick response.

So again, who else should do it then? And once again it is not just America.

It is a country of 15 that decide. And yes the US does follow the outcome. See the USA vs Russia in regards to Syria and Russia Vetoing.

As for America's policy in regards to who can push they button. They should adopt the 3 briefcase method that Russia has. Giving any 1 man that power alone is irresponsible no matter who the person. Whether it is trump or Obama.

When you have people constantly taking jabs at america at every chance they can with nothing but assumptions and opinion, that is anti american. Making claims that America is a war mongrel is garbage uninformed ignorant posting.

I see no reason why one Country should have them while another is barred from having them.

So all countries should be allowed to have nuclear weapons then?
 
So you are telling me that when I come to the uk I will not see a uk slant in your news....I will be getting actual news???.....come on....the news guys will spin it any way they want for money, for ratings, for anything they want to put forward...that is everywhere in the world not just in the USA.
If you own the news you can spin it any way you want regardless of country.

As for there being no anti American sentiment in these posts...I disagree...just re read the last paragraph in your post.....

....it's subtle but it's there....


You can read my post anyway you like Steviedoo. I said it seemed that the news in the US prior internet seemed somewhat one sided compared to news outside the US. The US news focused pretty much solely on the domestic issues and world news lacked any considerable insight. Mind you, this was some 25+ years ago and just my personal observation.

Of course news in any given country or geographical area focus on matters related to things close by. It also a cultural thing how things are reported. For example reporting on missile attacks or dropping bombs. The news can state the facts, or they can glorify the event: "the mother of all bombs", "beautiful pictures of fearsome armaments" (missiles flying in the night).

Now if you see my last paragraph contradicting my statement about the thread not being anti-American, you're reading too much in to it. I agree in many aspects with posts from Harry and geordiecolin and disagree with posts from some. It's not about being anti-American, if you criticise policies by the US government.

I do however strongly disagree with posts which have an american superiority undertone. This is pet peeve of mine and has nothing to do with americanism. It's simply has to do with my view of the world. I'm not a big fan of nationalism.

In fact, much of the critic in many posts are more general in nature and the not explicitly about the US. I.e. Should one nation be allowed to have nukes or not? Do we need a self appointed world police or not?
 
You can read my post anyway you like Steviedoo. I said it seemed that the news in the US prior internet seemed somewhat one sided compared to news outside the US. The US news focused pretty much solely on the domestic issues and world news lacked any considerable insight. Mind you, this was some 25+ years ago and just my personal observation.

Of course news in any given country or geographical area focus on matters related to things close by. It also a cultural thing how things are reported. For example reporting on missile attacks or dropping bombs. The news can state the facts, or they can glorify the event: "the mother of all bombs", "beautiful pictures of fearsome armaments" (missiles flying in the night).

Now if you see my last paragraph contradicting my statement about the thread not being anti-American, you're reading too much in to it. I agree in many aspects with posts from Harry and geordiecolin and disagree with posts from some. It's not about being anti-American, if you criticise policies by the US government.

I do however strongly disagree with posts which have an american superiority undertone. This is pet peeve of mine and has nothing to do with americanism. It's simply has to do with my view of the world. I'm not a big fan of nationalism.

In fact, much of the critic in many posts are more general in nature and the not explicitly about the US. I.e. Should one nation be allowed to have nukes or not? Do we need a self appointed world police or not?

seriously....have you ever been to the uk....regarding how the news is sensationalized....this is exactly what i am talking about with your anti american sentiment...this does not only happen in the usa.

and where are those posters and their american superiority...pls point them out to me...cuz i haven't seen anyone on this thread nor on CM say that the usa is a superior nation...or wtvr you are claiming....and speaking of undertones...yours is clearly anti american....

as for this thread....no it isn't about one nation being allowed to have nukes or not...go look at harry's posts and lockinloves...clearly harry has something to say about the usa...as well as all the other posters on this thread....just like you do....
 
seriously....have you ever been to the uk....regarding how the news is sensationalized....this is exactly what i am talking about with your anti american sentiment...this does not only happen in the usa.

and where are those posters and their american superiority...pls point them out to me...cuz i haven't seen anyone on this thread nor on CM say that the usa is a superior nation...or wtvr you are claiming....and speaking of undertones...yours is clearly anti american....

as for this thread....no it isn't about one nation being allowed to have nukes or not...go look at harry's posts and lockinloves...clearly harry has something to say about the usa...as well as all the other posters on this thread....just like you do....

Are you twisting my words on purpose? Please don't call me anti-American and don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not claiming a single thing. My posts (usually) are about my personal observation of the discussion or events commented.

Maybe my way of thinking is lost in the translation. English is not my first or even second language, so some might read my posts in a different way than I intended. Mostly when I try to convey abstract ideas, they are taken literally it seems. Example being american superiority, maybe I chose a wrong wording there.

Let me be clear: I am not anti-American. If you still feel that I am, feel free to do so.
 
Are you twisting my words on purpose? Please don't call me anti-American and don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not claiming a single thing. My posts (usually) are about my personal observation of the discussion or events commented.

Maybe my way of thinking is lost in the translation. English is not my first or even second language, so some might read my posts in a different way than I intended. Mostly when I try to convey abstract ideas, they are taken literally it seems. Example being american superiority, maybe I chose a wrong wording there.

Let me be clear: I am not anti-American. If you still feel that I am, feel free to do so.

You have a Blame America mentality.
 
You have a Blame America mentality.

Incorrect.

I have opinions about the reach and use of military force when justifications for its use are insufficient. And the focus of US foreign policy sometimes is baffling to me.

We have family and friends all over the US and visit there frequently. Never had anything but a great time there. So no, I don't have a blame America mentality. Just like I'm not anti-American.
 
Of course the US has exploited political situations and smaller countries for their gain, but by the same token you do need an international police force, what's wrong with that?

I expect there to be a lot of embittered people because of the US' military might, but without it we'd have every backwards tinpot barbarous nation starting wars with each other for the very same reasons the Americans are vilified, namely natural resources. At least they're somewhat kept in check, or else we'd have more chaos, just about everywhere.

And yes, it is important not to arm everyone with nukes because they think they ought to have some. Its main function is to act as a deterrent but we all know that certain jumped-up despots would have no hesitation in actually deploying them. If NK knew 100% their nukes were unstoppable even by the Americans, we may as well prepare for WW3. Imagine if Saddam actually had had nukes, Gaddafi, hell, even Hitler if you want to go there.

So yes we do need the US playing big brother, and of course that's going to cause resentment and anti-American sentiment. Much as I love Iran (God bless their green lands) they've been chanting Death to America for 40 years, so arming them with nuclear weapons isn't too chipper either.

I think it's ludicrous to suggest 9/11 was an onside job, it's perverse and more importantly far beyond the scope of any mastermind to implement this plan. I do believe braindead Bush was simply spoiling for a war which was more indicative of his personality flaws than what the US people wanted. There's no accounting for his presidency - the man was a demented illiterate - and yet when we have someone who speaks a modicum of sense, yes Trump, he gets attacked from every conceivable angle. It's beyond infantile.

If some people had their way, everyone would have nuclear weapons (great idea) and we'd all live in daily fear for the impending end of the world. Not really something we should allow to happen, so I fully agree with the US' reasoning and assessments :cool:
 
Incorrect.

I have opinions about the reach and use of military force when justifications for its use are insufficient. And the focus of US foreign policy sometimes is baffling to me.

We have family and friends all over the US and visit there frequently. Never had anything but a great time there. So no, I don't have a blame America mentality. Just like I'm not anti-American.

My guess is you want the US military budget to be size of Frances' or the UK. But did you ever consider that perhaps the reason those countries and other allied countries get away with having much smaller military budgets is because the US has such a large one?
 
My guess is you want the US military budget to be size of Frances' or the UK. But did you ever consider that perhaps the reason those countries and other allied countries get away with having much smaller military budgets is because the US has such a large one?

There were 4 major nations winning WWII. 2 - US, Russia - decided to start a Cold War and build up huge armies, incl. a race for a nuclear arsenal, the other two - UK, France - returned to levels which are normal for peace periods.

The primary focus of the US foreign policy after WWII was to stem the advance of communism and most of their military build-up was to make sure they do that.

Has nothing to do with France or UK being able to have smaller armies, had everything to do with the US foreign policy. Please get your facts right.
 
There were 4 major nations winning WWII. 2 - US, Russia - decided to start a Cold War and build up huge armies, incl. a race for a nuclear arsenal, the other two - UK, France - returned to levels which are normal for peace periods.

The primary focus of the US foreign policy after WWII was to stem the advance of communism and most of their military build-up was to make sure they do that.

Has nothing to do with France or UK being able to have smaller armies, had everything to do with the US foreign policy. Please get your facts right.

I might add read goatwack's post, I think its spot on.

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Hyperbolic drivel, again. :rolleyes:

First, NK is not a neighboring country of the US. Latest I checked there are some 5,700km to mainland US/Alaska, so your example with a neighbor threatening to burn down the house is as i said "hyperbolic drivel".

Secondly, the US actually burned down the North Korean house, they did not just threaten to do it. Hint: Read up about the Korea War and what Truman said.

Thirdly, nobody and i mean nobody ever made an effort to speak to Kim. And nobody knows how stable or unstable he is. So your comment about "NK who proves to be unstable" is complete hyperbole again with no factual proof whatsoever, unless you went to NK and met Kim.

Fourth, do you consider Trump to be stable? And do you know there is nothing in between him and the nukes, nothing, nada, zilch.

Fifth, no other country than the US is making so much noise about and issues so many threats to NK. Or did you see the countries most vulnerable (SK and Japan) making ever anything close to "fire & fury" threats. Maybe it is time for you to actually travel to Seoul or Tokyo and talk to some South Koreans / Japanese to educate yourself how they see the situation. I have been to the region quite a few times but I will leave it to you to find out. Hint: They are more afraid of what the US could be doing.

Sixth, because Kim was sitting in front of a map that showed Guam is proof for you that was an attack plan? Seriously? Ever hear the word "propaganda"?

Seventh, firing an unarmed test missile over Japan. Ask any scientist and he will tell you that to test range properly NK has to go over some country, no trajectory is possible going only over water. NK chose a trajectory which has the least population in Japan (actually hardly any villages or cities on the path the missile took) and the missile disintegrated on re-entry before it fell into the sea far off Japan's east coast. And the utmost part of their other tests were just over water.

Last but not least, the threats from NK only come as retaliation as to what they see and understand as threats against them. Again, in over 60 years they have not attacked a single country. Contrary to the US --> Vietnam, Cambodia. Iraq (2x), Afghanistan etc etc.



Just read some of your posts .

you're well informed mate .It's just not complete.

What you forgot to mention is, the main reason why U.S. considers no military actions against NK is because NK is in a strong military position.
Not to mention a war with NK is basiscly starting World War 3. (Iran, Russia, China).
They drop 3 Nuks , they get 3 back on thr own backyard !!
Plus the fact that a worsening of relationship with China means the end of main part of U.S. economy which is depended on China.
.

In 2003 Colin Powell called his speech to the United Nations regarding mass destruction weapons in Iraq, laying.
about 100.000 innocent women and children got killed because of a lie.
Not to mention the action was taken aginst the UN decision.

At the same time, about tens thousands of Americans were against that war. (just to give you the indication that there is a great folk in that country ).

They did it because Iraq was weak. NK is not .
So this has nothing to do with Orange Muppet's kind character !!

Regardless of many problems, i do agree with presence of U.S. in the region.
There are still some good U.S. leaders who believe in the presence of Justice and they are doing the best they can in order to achive that gl.
lets be honest, every school needs a school master and every school master wants to get paid.
Unfortunately , innocent civilians are the one who's gonna have to carry the consequences, sometimes.

Btw, I see that you have a running debate with my greatest love, lookinglove . Not realizing that sugar grew up with Madonna PC, drinking beer and playing slots.
She has no clue when it comes to politics/war/.. ...
take it easy with her .




Goodluck with slots !! :thumbsup:
 
lookinglove is one of the only few factual pragmatist in the forum.


Just read some of your posts .

you're well informed mate .It's just not complete.

What you forgot to mention is, the main reason why U.S. considers no military actions against NK is because NK is in a strong military position.
Not to mention a war with NK is basiscly starting World War 3. (Iran, Russia, China).
They drop 3 Nuks , they get 3 back on thr own backyard !!
Plus the fact that a worsening of relationship with China means the end of main part of U.S. economy which is depended on China.
.

In 2003 Colin Powell called his speech to the United Nations regarding mass destruction weapons in Iraq, laying.
about 100.000 innocent women and children got killed because of a lie.
Not to mention the action was taken aginst the UN decision.

At the same time, about tens thousands of Americans were against that war. (just to give you the indication that there is a great folk in that country ).

They did it because Iraq was weak. NK is not .
So this has nothing to do with Orange Muppet's kind character !!

Regardless of many problems, i do agree with presence of U.S. in the region.
There are still some good U.S. leaders who believe in the presence of Justice and they are doing the best they can in order to achive that gl.
lets be honest, every school needs a school master and every school master wants to get paid.
Unfortunately , innocent civilians are the one who's gonna have to carry the consequences, sometimes.

Btw, I see that you have a running debate with my greatest love, lookinglove . Not realizing that sugar grew up with Madonna PC, drinking beer and playing slots.
She has no clue when it comes to politics/war/.. ...
take it easy with her .




Goodluck with slots !! :thumbsup:
 
Btw, I see that you have a running debate with my greatest love, lookinglove . Not realizing that sugar grew up with Madonna PC, drinking beer and playing slots.
She has no clue when it comes to politics/war/.. ...
take it easy with her .




Goodluck with slots !! :thumbsup:

Wow...how condescending of you....you should maybe refrain from making such statements about lockinlove...not that I need to defend her...cuz I'm sure she will put you in your place soon enough...good luck.
 
Just read some of your posts .

you're well informed mate .It's just not complete.

What you forgot to mention is, the main reason why U.S. considers no military actions against NK is because NK is in a strong military position.
Not to mention a war with NK is basiscly starting World War 3. (Iran, Russia, China).
They drop 3 Nuks , they get 3 back on thr own backyard !!
Plus the fact that a worsening of relationship with China means the end of main part of U.S. economy which is depended on China.
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In 2003 Colin Powell called his speech to the United Nations regarding mass destruction weapons in Iraq, laying.
about 100.000 innocent women and children got killed because of a lie.
Not to mention the action was taken aginst the UN decision.

At the same time, about tens thousands of Americans were against that war. (just to give you the indication that there is a great folk in that country ).

They did it because Iraq was weak. NK is not .
So this has nothing to do with Orange Muppet's kind character !!

Regardless of many problems, i do agree with presence of U.S. in the region.
There are still some good U.S. leaders who believe in the presence of Justice and they are doing the best they can in order to achive that gl.
lets be honest, every school needs a school master and every school master wants to get paid.
Unfortunately , innocent civilians are the one who's gonna have to carry the consequences, sometimes.

Btw, I see that you have a running debate with my greatest love, lookinglove . Not realizing that sugar grew up with Madonna PC, drinking beer and playing slots.
She has no clue when it comes to politics/war/.. ...
take it easy with her .




Goodluck with slots !! :thumbsup:

You can tell when you have someone backed into a corner, they always hurl insults.

If you ever want a lesson on how to debate, let me know. Because patronizing people only makes you look desperate.

And the reason you have members calling a select few anti american is because its you same people in every single political discussion taking shots at american ways. There is rarely ever facts used. There is eyeroll emotes and personal opinion. Its the same thing over and over. You guys spit out some stuff hoping it will stick, people bring up facts, videos, articles, quotes and discredit the hate and then you jump on to something else. Its a vicious circle

You try to blame the USA for being the worlds policeman. You even have someone stating that every country deserves nuclear weapons. Whether you think of it as arrogance, you cannot have a discussion with people who have such beliefs.

Saddam Hussein.

So he should have had nukes? The same guy who launched missiles directly into Israel? The same guy who used weapons grade anthrax on his OWN people? I mean, you want these dictators having nuclear weapons? You cannot allow countries who are run by religious beliefs that live on the belief of ending another country because of their beliefs. See Iran. You cannot have lunatics own nukes who threaten death to 130 million people because they are having a bad day.

And then you people cry, who is america to tell people? Please find us someone else to do that job.

And still, its been brought up a dozen times. It is not just America, it is 15 countries that decide this. Yet, the anti american in you refuse to acknowledge hard facts.

Now to touch on your uninformed post. The USA does not need to use Nuclear weapons against NK. Their military is 500x the strength of NK. This fear mongering and assumption about WWIII is wrong. China has publicly stated it will not back NK. Russia is not an ally of NK even though they share borders and Russia would get blown into the water in a non nuclear war if they tried to face the United States and all its allies. The USA does not want war with Russia and vice versa.

I mean, even you suggesting the reason for the USA not to attack North Korea is because they are scared of NK power, is beyond ridiculous.

And next time you decide to try and patronize me and be childish, I wont give you the time of day even though its always quite easy to discredit your ...whatever you wanna call this sad attempt at a discussion
 
I shall just leave this short one here

These types of claims and videos have been discredited by actual math, science, professionals and real time models

Its a 7 part series debunking all of this stuff. So dont just watch one conspiracy theory. Now that you've watched your video, now is a good time to watch this series. The person actually approaches real life conspiracy theorist and takes each claim they make and proves them wrong using the above methods.

 
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Wow...how condescending of you....you should maybe refrain from making such statements about lockinlove...not that I need to defend her...cuz I'm sure she will put you in your place soon enough...good luck.

You can tell when you have someone backed into a corner, they always hurl insults.

If you ever want a lesson on how to debate, let me know. Because patronizing people only makes you look desperate.

And the reason you have members calling a select few anti american is because its you same people in every single political discussion taking shots at american ways. There is rarely ever facts used. There is eyeroll emotes and personal opinion. Its the same thing over and over. You guys spit out some stuff hoping it will stick, people bring up facts, videos, articles, quotes and discredit the hate and then you jump on to something else. Its a vicious circle

You try to blame the USA for being the worlds policeman. You even have someone stating that every country deserves nuclear weapons. Whether you think of it as arrogance, you cannot have a discussion with people who have such beliefs.

Saddam Hussein.

So he should have had nukes? The same guy who launched missiles directly into Israel? The same guy who used weapons grade anthrax on his OWN people? I mean, you want these dictators having nuclear weapons? You cannot allow countries who are run by religious beliefs that live on the belief of ending another country because of their beliefs. See Iran. You cannot have lunatics own nukes who threaten death to 130 million people because they are having a bad day.

And then you people cry, who is america to tell people? Please find us someone else to do that job.

And still, its been brought up a dozen times. It is not just America, it is 15 countries that decide this. Yet, the anti american in you refuse to acknowledge hard facts.

Now to touch on your uninformed post. The USA does not need to use Nuclear weapons against NK. Their military is 500x the strength of NK. This fear mongering and assumption about WWIII is wrong. China has publicly stated it will not back NK. Russia is not an ally of NK even though they share borders and Russia would get blown into the water in a non nuclear war if they tried to face the United States and all its allies. The USA does not want war with Russia and vice versa.

I mean, even you suggesting the reason for the USA not to attack North Korea is because they are scared of NK power, is beyond ridiculous.

And next time you decide to try and patronize me and be childish, I wont give you the time of day even though its always quite easy to discredit your ...whatever you wanna call this sad attempt at a discussion

,, Looking te get loved ,, is that your name ?


You know ....

That part in my previous post, when i said something about : there are such a great folk in U.S. ??
Somehow i just forgat to mention and add : except couple of Nazi's .

Sorry about that . :)
 
,, Looking te get loved ,, is that your name ?


You know ....

That part in my previous post, when i said something about : there are such a great folk in U.S. ??
Somehow i just forgat to mention and add : except couple of Nazi's .

Sorry about that . :)

You've been warned enough times about your troll/insulting comments - to include a recent suspension. Too bad you didn't heed our warnings. Happy trails to you.
 
Wow that was quite something. There comes a point when the 'lost in translation' argument goes flying out of the window and sheer insults take over.

What possesses grown adults to fling about terms like that to fellow members because of a disagreement? Tragic :mad:
 
Incorrect.

I have opinions about the reach and use of military force when justifications for its use are insufficient. And the focus of US foreign policy sometimes is baffling to me.

We have family and friends all over the US and visit there frequently. Never had anything but a great time there. So no, I don't have a blame America mentality. Just like I'm not anti-American.

Can you explain where this opinion comes from? Insufficient justifications.

Lets look at some of the times the USA has gone to war or used their military power.

Syria. After the Syrian government unleashed another chemical attack on their own people causing mass suffering of men, woman and children. And before you say its fake, lets remember bashar al assad has been caught using this in the past. He also had a huge storage of chemical warfare that he gave up some of it to the Russians. Surely, he didnt just have those weapons for fun.

Iraq. Saddam Hussein who threatened the death to america and its citizens. Who claimed to have nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. He also used these weapons on his own people. And before you suggest the USA was there for the oil, just remember the states didnt touch the oil because they didnt want to be accused of that as a reason. And instead, it was left and Isis took hold of much of it.

Afghanistan. A country that homed some of the most dangerous terror groups that sole purpose on earth was to destroy america. And was home to many of the 'masterminds' who carried out terrorist attacks on many countries including the USA.

Somolia. Terror groups kidnapped an american doctor.

Libya.

All of the military actions were supported by countries such as the Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US. It was actually led by the UK and the French.

The US only got involved in Libya after Gaddafi sent troops to Benghazi to kill his citizens that rose up against him. He publicly stated that he was going to wipe out a city of over a million.

I dont know what you accept as justified, but to me, I feel content with these military actions.

People like to make things up and say things oh its for the oil oh its for the gold. How about people just take the publicly made threats by these countries as evidence instead of baseless accusations? it would save a whole lot of arguments. You really think countries should mind their business and allow 1 million innocent people die at the hands of a lunatic? Skeptics are never happy. If the USA sat back and did nothing and people watched all over CNN and BBC over 1 million people slaughtered, they would condemn the USA for not getting involved.
 
These types of claims and videos have been discredited by actual math, science, professionals and real time models

Its a 7 part series debunking all of this stuff. So dont just watch one conspiracy theory. Now that you've watched your video, now is a good time to watch this series. The person actually approaches real life conspiracy theorist and takes each claim they make and proves them wrong using the above methods.

"discredited by actual math, science, professionals and real time models"

No, not really. Talking to a video, playing with your pc or building something in your garage is not proof.

No proof on this video either, as there is no much proof in most conspiracy theories. The guy just tries to make some people look like fools by bombarding them with questionable info without giving them time to check and build an argument. It wouldn't be so easy against a scientist.

To prove something you need science and you need to replicate conditions in a controlled environment and you need to repeat the results many many times. And you need people testifying under oath about it.

What we have is information, most of it questionable, but there for us to check out. So that is my opinion as a physicist, some questionable things happened but I haven't seen proof of an inside job yet.
 
"discredited by actual math, science, professionals and real time models"

No, not really. Talking to a video, playing with your pc or building something in your garage is not proof.

No proof on this video either, as there is no much proof in most conspiracy theories. The guy just tries to make some people look like fools by bombarding them with questionable info without giving them time to check and build an argument. It wouldn't be so easy against a scientist.

To prove something you need science and you need to replicate conditions in a controlled environment and you need to repeat the results many many times. And you need people testifying under oath about it.

What we have is information, most of it questionable, but there for us to check out. So that is my opinion as a physicist, some questionable things happened but I haven't seen proof of an inside job yet.

What? This was cross referenced and used by professionals including engineers who used it for reference on other other shows such as dateline and a Sunday show on CNN. This is how I found this video.

The math and science behind it was backed by some of the top engineers in the world. And mathematicians confirmed it.

Furthermore, when confronting the truthers, he caught them in lies which he backed up with facts and proof that they couldnt explain. Did you only watch like 2 minutes of the series?

And the models used are actual replications/models used by engineers. There is actual building plans of the WTC that he is using.

So Im not even sure why are you making baseless accusations that seem completely made up?

But anyways, instead of claiming to be a physicist, feel free to discredit his claims.

Lets start with the steel theory that has been proven in labs. Feel free to provide prove to discredit science. Or as you call it "things made up in a garage"

So what temperature has science proved that it takes to melt steel?

What temperature has science proved that steel will weaken and bend?

What happens to a building when the structure is built the way it is and the temperatures reaches 900 degrees?

Explain the freefall theory proven by science that is used in this video.

So no, what we have is science and undeniable proof that is backed by actual tests on sites. And not "What we have is information, most of it questionable"
 
What? This was cross referenced and used by professionals including engineers who used it for reference on other other shows such as dateline and a Sunday show on CNN. This is how I found this video.

The math and science behind it was backed by some of the top engineers in the world. And mathematicians confirmed it.

Furthermore, when confronting the truthers, he caught them in lies which he backed up with facts and proof that they couldnt explain. Did you only watch like 2 minutes of the series?

And the models used are actual replications/models used by engineers. There is actual building plans of the WTC that he is using.

So Im not even sure why are you making baseless accusations that seem completely made up?

But anyways, instead of claiming to be a physicist, feel free to discredit his claims.

Lets start with the steel theory that has been proven in labs. Feel free to provide proof to discredit science. Or as you call it "thing made up in a garage"

No need to attack me. I said there is no proof for an inside job, isn't it good enough for you.
I also said there is no proof in most conspiracy theories. A video can have facts without beeing a definite proof about anything, thats all.
 
No need to attack me. I said there is no proof for an inside job, isn't it good enough for you.
I also said there is no proof in most conspiracy theories. A video can have facts without beeing a definite proof about anything, thats all.
Im sorry if you feel I attacked you. Thats not what my attempt was

"discredited by actual math, science, professionals and real time models"

No, not really. Talking to a video, playing with your pc or building something in your garage is not proof.

No proof on this video either, as there is no much proof in most conspiracy theories. The guy just tries to make some people look like fools by bombarding them with questionable info without giving them time to check and build an argument. It wouldn't be so easy against a scientist.



Is what you quoted me with.

You are stating this is made up in his garage and on his pc.

I know thats untrue and this has been scientifically backed, so I am asking you to disprove the math models, building plans and science used and back up your claims is all. There is no attacking going on here. If you are going to try and discredit me and the video I provided all Im asking for is your side with proof.

You went further and said he attacked people who were unprepared. Most of these people he approached are selling dvd's on their indepth research who are more than informed on the claims. And if they are unprepared but yet stand out front of the white house protesting 9/11 then that's their problem that they cant handle or defend their theories when confronted with facts.
 
Im sorry if you feel I attacked you. Thats not what my attempt was





Is what you quoted me with.

You are stating this is made up in his garage and on his pc.

I know thats untrue and this has been scientifically backed, so I am asking you to disprove the math models, building plans and science used and back up your claims is all. There is no attacking going on here. If you are going to try and discredit me and the video I provided all Im asking for is your side with proof.

You went further and said he attacked people who were unprepared. Most of these people he approached are selling dvd's on their indepth research who are more than informed on the claims.

Have you ever seen "Mythbusters"? How they do things gives you an idea of the 1/100000000 of the work someone would need to do to definite prove what happened in WTC. That's what I wanted to say.
 
Have you ever seen "Mythbusters"? How they do things gives you an idea of the 1/100000000 of the work someone would need to do to definite prove what happened in WTC. That's what I wanted to say.

But the thing is, this is in regards to a 'falling' building. Which has been tried and tested millions of times. If there is anything out there with more than enough backed science, its that. Especially when they have the building plans and can give precise information on what happened given the way it fell. And then disprove it further with the free falling theory. The engineers who design these building do it in such a way that if its ever hit with anything that weakens certain parts of the structure it collapses that way so it doesnt fall over into other buildings killing others and more destruction.

The truthers theory is agents planted bombs inside the WTC.

Science and video footage discredits that. And when being confronted with it, the truthers start making things up.

All Im saying is I will trust science every single time over some people ranting about what they think happened without any proof or scientific back up.

And btw, I dont hold it against you that you question things. I think its a good thing that you dont buy into everything you see.

I think the person in the video should have taken a more professional approach to it, I think it would go further. But in the same sense I kind of get it, when someone knows their stuff its pretty hard to take the conspiracy theories seriously. Especially since thousands of innocent people were killed and you have people running around claiming they were killed by their own people. Hard to keep the sarcasm and disbelief out of your voice.
 
These types of claims and videos have been discredited by actual math, science, professionals and real time models

Its a 7 part series debunking all of this stuff. So dont just watch one conspiracy theory. Now that you've watched your video, now is a good time to watch this series. The person actually approaches real life conspiracy theorist and takes each claim they make and proves them wrong using the above methods.

It can equally be claimed that the debunking video's are debunked by actual math,Science,professionals, eye witnesses and whistleblower's.
I have watched many video's that promote the arguments from both sides of the fence.You have jumped to the conclusion that I am some blind fool who is simply suckered in by wild conspiracy theories without taking in both sides.

This lady (1 hour 36 minutes in) was a CIA Asset who was imprisoned for what she knew and they attempted to have her shut up permanently. The whole video is well worth watching but what this lady has to say is probably closest to the truth.

 
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It can equally be claimed that the debunking video's are debunked by actual math,Science,professionals, eye witnesses and whistleblower's.
I have watched many video's that promote the arguments from both sides of the fence.You have jumped to the conclusion that I am some blind fool who is simply suckered in by wild conspiracy theories without taking in both sides.

This lady (1 hour 36 minutes in) was a CIA Asset who was imprisoned for what she knew and they attempted to have her shut up permanently. The whole video is well worth watching but what this lady has to say is probably closest to the truth.

Sadly thats untrue. The video that you are talking about are not backed by science, building plans and math equations. They are people just randomly throwing things out there.

I watched your video and a few more and searched some of their fake claims and not a single scientist backs it up. I actually found some fake names where they claimed to be engineers but were found not to be anything near that and actual caught protesting 9/11. I even found one to be an amateur actor.

The video that I provided has universities. mathematicians, scientists and engineers backing from a non bias community.

But you have the right to be a truther. So no sense going back and forth.


And just to add half way through the video, adding upbeat enjoyable music while people are falling to their death is beyond pathetic and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing that.
 
Sadly thats untrue. The video that you are talking about are not backed by science, building plans and math equations. They are people just randomly throwing things out there.

I watched your video and a few more and searched some of their fake claims and not a single scientist backs it up. I actually found some fake names where they claimed to be engineers but were found not to be anything near that and actual caught protesting 9/11. I even found one to be an amateur actor.

The video that I provided has universities. mathematicians, scientists and engineers backing from a non bias community.

But you have the right to be a truther. So no sense going back and forth.

Lockinlove unless we address specific claims and counter claims one by one and analyse them then we can both throw insults and blanket accusations at each other. I am not interested in throwing insults or jump to wild conclusions as you seem to be doing in this thread
 
Lockinlove unless we address specific claims and counter claims one by one and analyse them then we can both throw insults and blanket accusations at each other. I am not interested in throwing insults or jump to wild conclusions as you seem to be doing in this thread

Where is the insult in my post? Where is all the wild accusations?

I really dont understand why this is the constant defence being used in here by the conspiracy theorists. I dont think its unfair I ask for proof from you guys. If you want to accuse the west of killing thousands of their own citizens then prove it and just debunk the scientific facts. Its not that hard.

I mean cmon. The videos you are providing has outrageous music while showing the death of americans. Ive seen this video before and the ridiculous claim they make of a plane not even being there and that was just visually added in videos is the most ridiculous thing ever.

I have provided a small list in my previous and recent posts to start us off. So feel free to address them. Lets stick to you debunking the scientific claims so it doesnt get out of hand with personal opinion

So this lady was a CIA asset. Yet her name isnt being given, she provides no proof, acts incredibly unstable and when trying to cross reference her there isnt a single article, website or video about this. This is as fake as it can get
 
Where is the insult in my post?

I really dont understand why this is the constant defence being used in here by the conspiracy theorists. I dont think its unfair I ask for proof from you guys. If you want to accuse the west of killing thousands of their own citizens then prove it and just debunk the scientific facts. Its not that hard.

I mean cmon. The videos you are providing has outrageous music while showing the death of americans. Ive seen this video before and the ridiculous claim they make of a plane not even being there and that was just visually added in videos is the most ridiculous thing ever.

I have provided a small list in my previous and recent posts to start us off. So feel free to address them.

Your posts throughout this thread speak for themselves and I will simply leave anyone who reads this thread to make their own minds up on if you have been unreasonable in your address to other posters.

This is the point. I have provided my proof and you have provided your proof. For me I have provided strong proof via the video's that I have posted. For me you have posted video's of some guy who has approached lay persons at a demo who he probably cherry picked to show on video in order to take the piss out of them.
Did you watch the CIA Asset's testimony? It is nothing like the length of the 7 video's that you posted so it won't take too much of your time. What do you think about what she has to say?
 
Your posts throughout this thread speak for themselves and I will simply leave anyone who reads this thread to make their own minds up on if you have been unreasonable in your address to other posters.

This is the point. I have provided my proof and you have provided your proof. For me I have provided strong proof via the video's that I have posted. For me you have posted video's of some guy who has approached lay persons at a demo who he probably cherry picked to show on video in order to take the piss out of them.
Did you watch the CIA Asset's testimony? It is nothing like the length of the 7 video's that you posted so it won't take too much of your time. What do you think about what she has to say?

Weird, so when are you going to call out the poster that called my posts drivel along with other insults, and the other poster patronizing me and being sexist? You know the one that got banned? Oh right, you arent going to because it seems your defence is try and insult me and make it look like im the unreasonable one.

But lets stop with the back and forth, Im not interested or going to be baited into it.

Your video you posted is fake and you call this strong proof? Everything about it. From the ridiculous music when americans are dying to the fake actor claiming to being an CIA asset to them claiming there was no plane in the first place.

Where is her name, where is her proof she claims she has? She seems incredibly unstable and far from any type of CIA asset.

Furthermore, if you try and cross reference it, there isnt a single video, article, website, news outlet confirming or even talking about this story. Its along the same story line as another agent who was dying confessed on his death bed to 9/11 being a government conspiracy. Only to be a completely made up story from the same news outlet (well known fake news called YourNewsWire) that tried saying some MI5 agent on their death bed claimed to have assassinated Princess Diana.

I dont think there is any sense in continuing this conversation. For one, you believe any country in the world should have nukes and for two this video alone you provided me with is so fake with zero facts or proof of anything aside from actors and truthers making up stories. If you dont believe in science and facts and would rather believe in these crazy fairytales by these clearly unstable frauds that dont even make sense, thats up to you but it tells me arguing with you is a lost cause and a complete waste of time
 
Weird, so when are you going to call out the poster that called my posts drivel along with other insults, and the other poster patronizing me and being sexist? You know the one that got banned? Oh right, you arent going to because it seems your defence is try and insult me and make it look like im the unreasonable one.

But lets stop with the back and forth, Im not interested or going to be baited into it.

Your video you posted is fake and you call this strong proof? Everything about it. From the ridiculous music when americans are dying to the fake actor claiming to being an CIA asset to them claiming there was no plane in the first place.

Where is her name, where is her proof she claims she has? She seems incredibly unstable and far from any type of CIA asset.

Furthermore, if you try and cross reference it, there isnt a single video, article, website, news outlet confirming or even talking about this story. Its along the same story line as another agent who was dying confessed on his death bed to 9/11 being a government conspiracy. Only to be a completely made up story from the same news outlet (well known fake news called YourNewsWire) that tried saying some MI5 agent on their death bed claimed to have assassinated Princess Diana.

I dont think there is any sense in continuing this conversation. For one, you believe any country in the world should have nukes and for two this video alone you provided me with is so fake with zero facts or proof of anything aside from actors and truthers making up stories. If you dont believe in science and facts and would rather believe in these crazy fairytales by these clearly unstable frauds that dont even make sense, thats up to you but it tells me arguing with you is a lost cause and a complete waste of time

What possible reason should I be calling out someone who has already been banned for their conduct? I have responded to you and the way you make presumptions about what I think and how I reach my conclusions.
I have already stated that I wish to address specifics as apposed to making generalisations that hold no substance.
If you watched the Video segment of the CIA Asset you will see her name. What reason do you have to claim she is a fake? Give a few specific reasons that indicate that those in the video are fake or that the clips are fake instead of ( Rightly) just highlighting the occasional crass music?
I would feel slightly unstable too after what she has experienced and the nature of what she is stood up in public claiming. If she was fake then with the powers of the American Government and its security forces do you not think that she would be hauled up for all the public to see and be subjected to ridicule and many years in prison? Given how news organisations are in the pockets of the american Government and its organisations are you surprised that her claims have not been reported?

I stand by my statement that if America can have a nuclear deterrent then why should any other Country no have their own? Ideally no Country should have them,but this is not an ideal World. One Country saying that it is ok for them to have them but not another Country smacks of elitism.
 
These threads that pop up every few months amaze me.

Always get page after page of the same arguments. Pointless really as no matter what is posted some people are so biased that nothing will change their opinions.

But must say North Korea is a different proposition. America given half a chance would attack them to get rid of their leader. If the country was anywhere else in the world they already would have. Must really piss them of that NK is right next to China.

America may invade any other small nation in the world but they are not in any hurry to take on China. Lets face it if China was not so close to North Korea America would have already attacked.

You will get people that say they want peace etc. but Trump would love to hit NK. Just a shame he will not as long as China is there for NK.
 
What possible reason should I be calling out someone who has already been banned for their conduct? I have responded to you and the way you make presumptions about what I think and how I reach my conclusions.
I have already stated that I wish to address specifics as apposed to making generalisations that hold no substance.
If you watched the Video segment of the CIA Asset you will see her name. What reason do you have to claim she is a fake? Give a few specific reasons that indicate that those in the video are fake or that the clips are fake instead of ( Rightly) just highlighting the occasional crass music?
I would feel slightly unstable too after what she has experienced and the nature of what she is stood up in public claiming. If she was fake then with the powers of the American Government and its security forces do you not think that she would be hauled up for all the public to see and be subjected to ridicule and many years in prison? Given how news organisations are in the pockets of the american Government and its organisations are you surprised that her claims have not been reported?

I stand by my statement that if America can have a nuclear deterrent then why should any other Country no have their own? Ideally no Country should have them,but this is not an ideal World. One Country saying that it is ok for them to have them but not another Country smacks of elitism.

I cant find her name, so I must be missing something here. Can you provide me with it? And even if there is a name, it doesnt really prove anything. But I would like to cross reference it.

I already explained why I think its fake. I cannot find any information on the internet about a CIA asset making such claims. This video has some truther looking at some type of video footage saying that the plane doesnt exist and its made up footage. And all the videos have been tampered with. They suggest that a plane hitting that building wouldnt go through it or into it but splattered and crushed.

If you want to address anything other than your video, then lets go ahead. But that video is just so full of made up stuff I dont even want to bother with it..like at all. And I dont want to go through it anymore. its easily the worst truther video ive ever seen lol

You have a right to your opinion like anyone does. Whether I disagree with it or not, if this is how you truly feel and believe, Thats your right.
 
These threads that pop up every few months amaze me.

Always get page after page of the same arguments. Pointless really as no matter what is posted some people are so biased that nothing will change their opinions.

But must say North Korea is a different proposition. America given half a chance would attack them to get rid of their leader. If the country was anywhere else in the world they already would have. Must really piss them of that NK is right next to China.

America may invade any other small nation in the world but they are not in any hurry to take on China. Lets face it if China was not so close to North Korea America would have already attacked.

You will get people that say they want peace etc. but Trump would love to hit NK. Just a shame he will not as long as China is there for NK.

It is a forum buddy with a wide range of sections to post in. And I see that you have chosen to post in the same vain as everyone else who has posted.
 
These threads that pop up every few months amaze me.

Always get page after page of the same arguments. Pointless really as no matter what is posted some people are so biased that nothing will change their opinions.

But must say North Korea is a different proposition. America given half a chance would attack them to get rid of their leader. If the country was anywhere else in the world they already would have. Must really piss them of that NK is right next to China.

America may invade any other small nation in the world but they are not in any hurry to take on China. Lets face it if China was not so close to North Korea America would have already attacked.

You will get people that say they want peace etc. but Trump would love to hit NK. Just a shame he will not as long as China is there for NK.

I dont really buy that. I truly feel america is trying everything possible to avoid war. You have to remember that if the USA attacks NK, NK launches missiles into South Korean cities populated with millions of people. I would say thats the biggest factor.

The US has already showed they dont respect or care what China thinks and again China has already stated they wont back NK. People act like the states should be scared of China, why is that exactly? The united states military is much stronger and advanced than China and has many more powerful allies. I dont think they are worried or intimidated. I bet you if the USA attacks NK, China will do nothing and neither will Russia aside from strengthen their borders. They might squak in the media but thats about all.
 

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