Velobet - is there a fair RTP here?

[koVVal92]

Hello. Today I received a personal bonus of €50 from this casino. I played Hot Fiesta by Pragmatic Play only at a stake of €0.25. Do you think there's something wrong with the RTP at Santeda International B.V. casinos and that it could be manipulated? I'm attaching photos, which the GPT chat, which is a pretty good math expert, tells me.

 

[mulven]

You should probably look at outcome 1 in its suggestion of 4 possible reasons.

Velobet is not a nice site but you just played a high variance game and lost in a short number of spins, its fairly common.

Pragmatic rates that slot as 5/5 volatility on their scale.

 

[koVVal92]

Prawdopodobnie powinieneś przyjrzeć się wynikowi 1 i jego sugestii czterech możliwych przyczyn.

Velobet nie jest przyjemną stroną, ale właśnie zagrałeś w grę o wysokiej wariancji i przegrałeś w krótkiej liczbie spinów, to dość powszechne.

Praktyczne stawki, które w swojej skali określają zmienność na poziomie 5/5.

Dodam jeszcze, że miałem jedną rundę bonusową z wygraną około 10,45 euro, więc ten wynik i wynikające z niego wymagania dotyczące obrotu są jeszcze bardziej niedopuszczalne. Osobiście uważam, że te kasyna powinny zostać zakazane. Zarówno Santeda International BV, jak i Ryker BV

Dlaczego? Choćby dlatego, że oferują również dostawców takich jak upgaming, którzy oferują gry takie jak Areo i Dino. W tych grach brakuje systemu uczciwości, który można udowodnić. Nie ma też haszów rund. Straciłem tysiące euro w kasynach Santeda International BV.

Unikaj ich jak ognia.

 

[mulven]

Santeda and Ryker are bad but not because of this slot experience you had. That can happen at the best site in the world.

If you can't handle barren periods, play lower volatility offerings.

 

[koVVal92]

Santeda and Ryker are bad but not because of this slot experience you had. That can happen at the best site in the world.

If you can't handle barren periods, play lower volatility offerings.

I received another cashback bonus. This time, practically 400 spins on John Hunter and the Book of Tut at a 0.1 stake without a single bonus round. Someone pinch me.

 

[mulven]

I received another cashback bonus. This time, practically 400 spins on John Hunter and the Book of Tut at a 0.1 stake without a single bonus round. Someone pinch me.

On high volatility games, 1 in 400 or so spins is probably the average bonus frequency so 0 in 400 isn't a suprise.

 

[dunover]

I received another cashback bonus. This time, practically 400 spins on John Hunter and the Book of Tut at a 0.1 stake without a single bonus round. Someone pinch me.

I once went 2573 spins on Thunderstruck 2 without a bonus, even though it was 10 years ago I'll never forget that. Considering it averages less than 200 spins to appear.

 

[koVVal92]

On high volatility games, 1 in 400 or so spins is probably the average bonus frequency so 0 in 400 isn't a suprise.

Okay, but situations like this happen in almost every session I have.

I once went 2573 spins on Thunderstruck 2 without a bonus, even though it was 10 years ago I'll never forget that. Considering it averages less than 200 spins to appear.

Probably a pirate slot. Ridiculous and unacceptable.

 

[CryptoG82]

I once went 2573 spins on Thunderstruck 2 without a bonus, even though it was 10 years ago I'll never forget that. Considering it averages less than 200 spins to appear.

Game has done similar to me before - crazy cash sapping barsteward!! The worst ever I think was another MG one - Break Da Bank Again - remember it taking thousands off me without a bonus.

 

[dunover]

Okay, but situations like this happen in almost every session I have.

Probably a pirate slot. Ridiculous and unacceptable.

No, it was on a proper download Viper client casino, 32Red IIRC.

 

[SpinUk]

No, it was on a proper download Viper client casino, 32Red IIRC.

1 in about 3500 chance of it taking that long - rare but not ridiculously so.

 

[armster]

Santeda and Ryker are bad but not because of this slot experience you had. That can happen at the best site in the world.

If you can't handle barren periods, play lower volatility offerings.

What's wrong with Ryker? Have had plenty of instant cashouts on Casinok and Freshbet

 

[Nate]

Hello. Today I received a personal bonus of €50 from this casino. I played Hot Fiesta by Pragmatic Play only at a stake of €0.25. Do you think there's something wrong with the RTP at Santeda International B.V. casinos and that it could be manipulated? I'm attaching photos, which the GPT chat, which is a pretty good math expert, tells me.

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Check the RTP on their Pragmatic Play slots. Pragmatic Play allows operators to choose lower RTP versions. This can have a significant effect on your game time.

For example, Gates of Olympus has a max theoretical RTP of 96.5%. There are also 94% versions of the same slot. That's a whole 2.5% less.

Pragmatic play have some of the worst slots you could ever play. Their volatility doesn't match the rewards on offer. You could easily lose 5000x chasing a 5000x max win.

Most of their slots have very similar math models, so changing games won't really make a difference IMHO.

Lastly, its not uncommon for players to lose over and over again at certain brands, while scoring better returns elsewhere.

Mix it up a bit and play elsewhere, your luck may just turn.

Nate

 

[Nate]

For clarity, when I say it's common for players to lose at certain brands, I mean that that just how the dice rolls.

I can play the same slots at Casino A and Casino B with the exact same RTP. We tend to be luckier at certain casinos more than others. I've experienced it over and over again...

Nate

 

[lockinlove]

What's wrong with Ryker? Have had plenty of instant cashouts on Casinok and Freshbet

A lot of complaints of non pay with Freshbet

 

[mulven]

What's wrong with Ryker? Have had plenty of instant cashouts on Casinok and Freshbet

from some research I previously did into santeda. (the links are to a company information website showing they are owned by FO MANAGEMENT)

Ryker and Santeda are one and the same, although that can kinda be figured out from the identical UX shared by their sites.

 

[mulven]

Okay, but situations like this happen in almost every session I have.

Probably a pirate slot. Ridiculous and unacceptable.

they'll probably happen in 80% of your sessions.

 

[lockinlove]

Okay, but situations like this happen in almost every session I have.

Probably a pirate slot. Ridiculous and unacceptable.

it shows its on the highest RTP.

Find a better casino though as it seems you like to play with a bonus. Max cashout for the bonus is 5x.

 

[armster]

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from some research I previously did into santeda. (the links are to a company information website showing they are owned by FO MANAGEMENT)

Ryker and Santeda are one and the same, although that can kinda be figured out from the identical UX shared by their sites.

Oh wow. Sometimes I wonder how many of these casinos groups are actually related.

I will say this, while i dont recommend Santeda I have cashed out around 25k across their and Rykers sites on maybe 5,000 in deposits. The process was a little convoluted with some silly requirements but I've personally crushed their casinos with bonuses and received every penny.

 

[ruleoflaw]

WARNING TO EVERYONE

VELOBET is a rogue disgusting illegal casino, if you think this is a fair casino then you must be high, pay very close attention to anyone who has anything positive to say about this rogue firm , they are a REP and an affliate, nothing more.

1) They accept self-excluded members , i.e people registered on GAMBLOCK/GAMBAN. They prey on gambling addicts and vulnerable people

2) The games on their site is RIGGED to the max, i've had £50k+ losses without a single win. They initially let you win a small amount and payout fast to intice you to come back and oh boy, you will wish you never came back, they will rinse you dry to the last cent and spit you out.

3) They money launder via third party "businesses" / organisations, if you deposit you will soon realise your paying a vast array of EU based businesses instead of the casino,

4) They charge you ridiclouse amount of fees on withdraw and then blame it on fees outside their control.

5) If you deposit by card from any country outside of the EU and in any currency other than EURO currency, you will be hit with massive currency conversion fees, something they dont disclose or tell you about on their scam site.

6) I closed my account PERMANENTLY months ago only for them to allow me to reopen it on demand to lose thousands more.



I have initiated legal action for all losses occured following them re-opening my account even when i requested PERMANENT closure due to gambling addiction.



LET THIS BE A WARNING TO OTHERS FROM A REAL PUNTER WHO FELL INTO THIS CASINO'S TRICKS, IF YOU PLAY HERE, YOUR LIFE WILL BE DESTROYED, 100% GAURENTEED. Dont listen to any positive reviewes, they are from predatory reps/affliates associated with the casino.

 

[ruleoflaw]

7) Velobet continued to allow me to play and withdraw after they requested bank statements for KYC measures but I totally rejected and did not provide a single document and yet Velobet continued to let me play.

I have all the emails with Mary Cole the VIP Manager.