Treasure Ireland - HELP!!

[sweetdenny]

250*

From getting the 250* the block to the 500 seems to take another 250 untis in your case at 2 a spin that will be another 500 and 2 hours play minimum do u up your bets to 10 for the majority ie the next 400 of them spins vinyl then drop back to the 2 once its ready because you seem to be going through the cycles very quick.

The profit seem to comes from the repeats that you are given the whole thing seems to me a bit like playing a pie factory in that your just milking all the value out except that online i cant see who fills it back up other than yourself.

After you have forced it out when you are going back is it dead as can be and you have to build up again or are you entering at some random point ie its already buzzed up to say 40* and your playing on from there.

 

[shadow123]

Think you are all braver than me.
Before forcing it I would need to know without doubt that only my play is
contributing to the pay/win cycle and that there is no chance of someone
playing just by chance and dropping my hard eaned pot.
I only say this as some of the other UK fruities use the combined take from other players, dont know if it per casino or all players but I have dropped
BIG pots twice within a few spins of playing the games meaning somewhere down the line other players must have been involved in building the pots up.

 

[vinylweatherman]

From getting the 250* the block to the 500 seems to take another 250 untis in your case at 2 a spin that will be another 500 and 2 hours play minimum do u up your bets to 10 for the majority ie the next 400 of them spins vinyl then drop back to the 2 once its ready because you seem to be going through the cycles very quick.

The profit seem to comes from the repeats that you are given the whole thing seems to me a bit like playing a pie factory in that your just milking all the value out except that online i cant see who fills it back up other than yourself.

After you have forced it out when you are going back is it dead as can be and you have to build up again or are you entering at some random point ie its already buzzed up to say 40* and your playing on from there.

Not quite Pie Factory, as this required the knocking back for 1 (to avoid the alarm and reset if knocked back for zero), of the third from top feature during an invincible exchange, and then taking both stack's out at once, gamble cash to JP, and next win gamble & exchange to get invincible back to milk the feature pot. It was easy to profit from pretty much any point other than when recently done. It was so well known that it was damn hard to FIND it in any state OTHER than "just been done".

I would liken it to the QPS games Golden Grid, Cash Adder, etc, where one a jackpot has been forced you get a set piece streak pot emptying which normally went for around 2.5x jackpot (at 72% services). It was 99% guaranteed outcome, so one you started forcing, you had to follow through to reap the rewards. With Treasure Ireland, you are pretty much committed to follow through once you get it past the point of no return, as KK has. This is where your input exceeds the 250x prize being offered by a significant amount. Taking this sets the machine right back, but does not yield the full value possible from the repeats.

The repeat values do not seem determined from the amount you, as an individual player, have put in, but achieving the top feature IS. THIS is why this method works, however, it requires nerves of steel, and lots of patience.

I am sure this will get "chipped" by MG to make the game more "random", and less reliably "forced", otherwise those with patience MIGHT find this to be long term +EV, although much more research is necessary, as it seems many are finding the method -EV for them, so there may be something else going on other than a simple build up and pay back of an individual player's pot.

 

[shadow123]

Cant see any reason why MG would want to "chip" it if they are getting the plays and hitting the target % however they are doing it unless it is being compared to physical machine emptiers which rely on intentional or otherwise
flaws in the percentaging stratagies.I do wonder how much experience MG have on uk fruits however as some of the operations during play would be classed as bugs on real machines so it may be possible there are flaws in the contol.

 

[sweetdenny]

extracting value

In the kk example lets say he is playing on 25p a spin he is being offered 250* rather than upping to a higher stake as he is doing and hoping for a 250* or taking 50 winspins which he wont get until he has put in enough anyway he would be better off droping to 10p a spin and then taking the treasure ireland feature which would then give him the extra repeats and the value back.

By upping the stakes you can see exactly what point you are at then change stakes so you are at the nearest one for taking the treasure ireland feature and then getting the repaeats.

Vinyl ive sent u a pm with a few questions.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi does it allways repeat? it just sounds like you need it, to win.

 

[KasinoKing]

Think you are all braver than me.

No the word is not braver - it's STUPIDER!
Do yourself a favour mate, run far far away from this & the other rigged AWP's.
If you want to win online stick the the regular slots.

Before forcing it I would need to know without doubt that only my play is contributing to the pay/win cycle and that there is no chance of someone paying just by chance and dropping my hard earned pot.

From my experience I would say it is 100% player specific. I've been playing it in lots of short sessions since my brain went on holiday 2 days ago, and each time I returned to it I was getting offered the same 'level of crap' as when I left it before.

Anyways, this-morning I finally got it to 'Pop' - but why didn't anyone tell me the repeater is NOT the full x500???
I assumed it would be the same as Stalionaire & Cash n Curry, so you can imagine how my delight quickly turned to total horror when I hit repeat & then saw it only gave me 2 quid!

I might as well tell the whole story now - hopefully it will prevent anyone else from being as moronic as me; I did about 300 at 50p/spin before getting totally pissed off and doing about 200 at 2 looking in vein for the x250 or 50 spins. Getting fed up with that too, I dropped back to 50p & finally hit the top feature.

Now my dilemma is I reckon it still 'owes me' about 200 - do I carry on or cut & run..?

Just over half of my money back:-

 

[shadow123]

Hi KK

If you are adamant that the control is player specific,the logical thing to do is carry on as the session you ran worked out around 60% but depends on what the plays the cycle is based over. Still not convinced that we know the full story of the player base used for control so personally I wouldnt risk it.
Good luck whatever you do.

 

[Matthew23]

I've been playing this game in fun mode trying to work it out. What I find amazing is that your bet size doesn't really matter too much. If you are owed 200 you are just as likely to win it back at 10p a spin or 50p a spin. Infact I think you are maybe more likely to win it back at 10p a spin because you will soon hit the Treasure Ireland feature.

KK If you are going to carry on; try dropping your bet right down, definitely do not raise your bet as this just prolongs the amount of time before you hit the Treasure Ireland feature.

By the way if/when you hit the "X500", it offers a repeat chance. When you hit this betting 10p it can repeat many times.

 

[shadow123]

Been playing in fun mode and got treasure island which paid 500x
repeated to 2x repeated to 1x

This is not consistant with the help file which states

Treasure Ireland is a guaranteed jackpot win feature.
You win a 500x multiplier value on your bet amount.

Once the Treasure Ireland feature is complete, a random Repeater feature can start. If you stop the Repeater on Yes, you can repeat the Treasure Ireland bonus game.

You can repeat the game until no more repeats are awarded.

As the Treasure Ireland bonus game is defined as the feature as entered
by achieving 3 flags, the game should re- enter the feature screen on successful repeats instead of just giving another win which may or may not be 500x. Either that or repeat Treasure Ireland which is defined as garr 500x

praps its just me being picky.

 

[KasinoKing]

KK If you are going to carry on; try dropping your bet right down, definitely do not raise your bet as this just prolongs the amount of time before you hit the Treasure Ireland feature.

I wish I'd read your post BEFORE I decided to play on to 'test the waters'...
Stupidly went back to 2/spin and the first 2 features I hit literally went straight onto ? and lose.
The next one at least gave me 2-3 moves and offered me 1 win spin before dumping me out again. So back to 50p, but the same story there - hardly a sniff of a win. So that was another 40 quid down the tubes before you could say this sodding slot's shit...

This also proves that the 'memory' IS player specific, and also that I was insane to start playing it in the first place.
Time to try to put it behind me & move on...

 

[vinylweatherman]

I might as well tell the whole story now - hopefully it will prevent anyone else from being as moronic as me; I did about 300 at 50p/spin before getting totally pissed off and doing about 200 at 2 looking in vein for the x250 or 50 spins. Getting fed up with that too, I dropped back to 50p & finally hit the top feature.

This might be the problem, dropping back to only 1 should have produced the feature, but it would have paid 500 + 184 instead of what you got. This is why I believe there to be a flaw, or "emptier" somewhere in the code. In this case it paid back too LITTLE, and effectively MG have taken more than they should have.

There are numerous other bugs in the works, one is where you knock back 4 nudges, and get "nudge hold". Sometimes, you don't get back your held nudges, but only THREE nudges and "nudge gamble". If you then bring in the feature off this you get a corrupt soundtrack on the feature game. This is the kind of thing that would get me all excited on a REAL fruitie, such as when Rat Pack had a similar kind of bug on the repeat change code on one of the features, which could be manipulated to empty the machine very quickly indeed. This bug also only manifested itself when "forcing", not during normal play. It took months to get chipped


Probably the best move is to force to 25p, and then drop back to 20p when 25p offers 50x winspins and 100x cash pretty much every feature. This is the smallest possible drop back of stake in percentage terms, and should give the best results for this strategy variant. I doubt KK is going to try this again, but should be getting 70 back from Laddies since Treasure Ireland is one of the games in the current promo, and that 70 can make the difference for a low roller.

I know what I am going to do with MY 70, but I suspect KK has had enough of this, and will go back to Big Break for the final week, or even Mega Moolah, 1 coin per line at 1p coin perhaps

 

[KasinoKing]

Probably the best move is to force to 25p, and then drop back to 20p when 25p offers 50x winspins and 100x cash pretty much every feature. This is the smallest possible drop back of stake in percentage terms, and should give the best results for this strategy variant. I doubt KK is going to try this again, but should be getting 70 back from Laddies since Treasure Ireland is one of the games in the current promo, and that 70 can make the difference for a low roller.

I know what I am going to do with MY 70, but I suspect KK has had enough of this, and will go back to Big Break for the final week, or even Mega Moolah, 1 coin per line at 1p coin perhaps

Good guessing - but not quite right!
I did Big Break for weeks 1 & 2 making +64 & -53.
This week I did Mega Moolah starting from 2p/line up to 5p; It was very grim until today when I hit 15 spins twice close together on 5p & 3p/line and finished the week on +43
But you know what - I have still NEVER hit the 'fortune wheel' on that thing

I avoided Torture Iceland for the rest of this evening, instead I went on Cash & Curry and made a quick 60 thanks to a 'winning run' including Vindaloot, but then blew most of it on Pub Fruity. (I really am going mad you know!). I was so pissed off I had a bash on SHitman @ 1.50 per spin expecting the worst, but I soon got 18 spins for 40 (all from just 1 nice hit), and inside the next 25 spins I got the 18 again, this time I got the Hit Bonus during the spins....
Not such a bad weekend after all!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Good guessing - but not quite right!
I did Big Break for weeks 1 & 2 making +64 & -53.
This week I did Mega Moolah starting from 2p/line up to 5p; It was very grim until today when I hit 15 spins twice close together on 5p & 3p/line and finished the week on +43
But you know what - I have still NEVER hit the 'fortune wheel' on that thing

I avoided Torture Iceland for the rest of this evening, instead I went on Cash & Curry and made a quick 60 thanks to a 'winning run' including Vindaloot, but then blew most of it on Pub Fruity. (I really am going mad you know!). I was so pissed off I had a bash on SHitman @ 1.50 per spin expecting the worst, but I soon got 18 spins for 40 (all from just 1 nice hit), and inside the next 25 spins I got the 18 again, this time I got the Hit Bonus during the spins....
Not such a bad weekend after all!

Well, a lucky end to a dismal experience.

Never mind, you have at least sacrificed your fingers, balls, and guts in the interests of Science, and your results wont go to waste

My FINAL 50 (pending cure of Neteller problem holding up 500), went pretty fast, TI was in a dead phase, perhaps this is YOUR FAULT for "popping it" while I was getting some change

I sunk my penultimate 200 from my credit card into 32Red for the last day of the little EGGstra promo, and yes, Torture Iceland is where it's going too, surely I cant be beaten TWICE, it's bad enough at the current score:-

Fruity Pro 2 - Microgaming 1

I could not bear MG getting an equaliser.

Still, it's no different from REAL fruities, sometimes the force strategy fails, and you are in damage limitation mode, just trying to get something back.

If MG have "got one over" on me with this game, I'll be pretty mad

I do not want to use the card at Laddies, since this might involve me with "documents", instead of their 6 hour Neteller payments.


I'm also down to 5th in the $20,000 weekender, so madder still

 

[RobWin]

Treasure Ireland

I HATE that Damn game !!! Just in case any of you guys were wondering what I think about it...

 

[happygobrokey]

Treasure Ireland

I HATE that Damn game !!! Just in case any of you guys were wondering what I think about it...

but, it's got oirish poirates init...

 

[LOOKAWAY]

ha ha i thought they were cornish with a irish theme.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Ok just anouther question on this subject, can you get as many wins on the reels as possible or does that go to your pay back percentage to, putting off the treasure island jackpot game.

 

[KasinoKing]

Ok just another question on this subject, can you get as many wins on the reels as possible or does that go to your pay back percentage to, putting off the treasure island jackpot game.

Personally I always refused any nudgeable wins, trying to force as you would with a fruity.
Whether that makes any difference or not is anyone's guess...

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ok just anouther question on this subject, can you get as many wins on the reels as possible or does that go to your pay back percentage to, putting off the treasure island jackpot game.

Good question, this goes to the root of how the payout & stored pot is calculated. My initial theory was that these wins from the reels are "free wins" under some circumstances. Microgaming may be counting WAGERS, and not amount lost when adding to the pot. I have had runs of half-decent reel wins, and these do not seem to have much effect on the state of what the feature is offering. Taking wins from the feature most certainly sets back the machine.
It is possible that MG use an approximation based on expected play, rather than actual input and outputs, to calculate when the pot should "pop". During "forcing", this pattern does not apply, as far fewer feature wins are taken, and more is given back from the reels. This increase in reel wins, if indeed "free", would be enough to push the overall payout to 100% or even more.

With so many players now "helping" with this investigation, it now seems that there are as many failures as successes, and this either indicates my theory is unsound, or that there is indeed a flaw, and it is exactly HOW it is forced, rather than the force itself, that could lead to an "emptier".

Whatever the outcome, MG have produced what I think is the genuine article, a forceable fruit machine, with all the prospects of "emptiers", "bugs", "steals" and "manipulators" as in the genuine article, as well as the prospect of getting it wrong, and failing dismally.

As for KK, seriously, 500 credits is only HALF your money back
This is most unlike you, committing 1000 Casino Kredits to this

 

[shadow123]

well done on your torny win, even 5th is a good result, best I even manage was a couple of $200 wins which was only 50 profit each after the continues.Hate watching me slide down the rankings if I play early.
Just out of interest at what point do you think it is worth going for.
I play the first round and if breaking even or up, play the second round as there are usually quite a few credits left from the first round.
After that I assume that I will break even on any further continues and if
projected winbox is around 45k if greater I go for it all the way.
45k about just garrantees a $200 prize.

Sorry if a bit OT

 

[vinylweatherman]

well done on your torny win, even 5th is a good result, best I even manage was a couple of $200 wins which was only 50 profit each after the continues.Hate watching me slide down the rankings if I play early.
Just out of interest at what point do you think it is worth going for.
I play the first round and if breaking even or up, play the second round as there are usually quite a few credits left from the first round.
After that I assume that I will break even on any further continues and if
projected winbox is around 45k if greater I go for it all the way.
45k about just garrantees a $200 prize.

Sorry if a bit OT

It was a clear cut case of "go all the way" for me as I hit 4 Wilds in the first roundand ended around 20,000 points. Unfortunately, this was the highlight until the very end, when I got a bonus round for some 6000 points. Had I had a few more decent hits I could have been 2nd, if not 1st this time.

So long as you are breaking even, it is probably worth continuing, and any coins left over after the first round will get used in the later continues, as they give only 5000 coins, but still 10 minutes of play.

 

[shadow123]

Hi I see now why you were a bit peed off 20k is a brilliant first round box

 

[vinylweatherman]

I still managed to withdraw 400 ($800 prize), but I am going to have to wait a couple of days. My last 50 STILL didn't "pop" TI, and even my 70 bonus failed to make it let rip, and I faced the prospect of having nothing left for Tuesday, missing the iNetbet special, and missing a day of the Laddies promo, which would have meant failing to play all 7 days.

I remembered that I had a little free chip knocking around at 3Dice though, and was given an extra 20 birthday chip.

Well, it didn't go to waste

I will be after that blasted TI again Tuesday, as I managed to extract 400 from 3Dice, and they have probably paid me already in the time it has taken to post my winner screenshot of the big hit, 213 on Supersuits from a 60p bet.

Laddies will either swallow the lot, or finally give up the goods - I'll just have to hope for the best.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi my experiment on fun play is over $520 down at $1 a spin when it offerd me 50 win spins for the first time i took it just to see what it would pay, inc As if< i would play the game, i would probaly take something like that if i got the chance and it came a lot earlier.

More fun any how 50 win spins than a repeater yes/no o and i got $260 for them/i lost.

Ok now i see a couple off months back a couple off awps at betway casino the features are a lot different and a little more interesting but have had no chance to play as i have no gaming credits there. They are called ABRA-KEBAB-RA! and win spinner.

Tell all if you have spun ok,bye.

 

[shadow123]

Hi my experiment on fun play is over $520 down at $1 a spin when it offerd me 50 win spins for the first time i took it just to see what it would pay, inc As if< i would play the game, i would probaly take something like that if i got the chance and it came a lot earlier.

More fun any how 50 win spins than a repeater yes/no o and i got $260 for them/i lost.

Ok now i see a couple off months back a couple off awps at betway casino the features are a lot different and a little more interesting but have had no chance to play as i have no gaming credits there. They are called ABRA-KEBAB-RA! and win spinner.

Tell all if you have spun ok,bye.

ABRA-KEBAB-RA! and win spinner are on the flash casino at laddies.
both are pretty fair games , dont know if ABRA-KEBAB-RA is forcable
but the feature is not tottally fixed and gives you a fair run.
Win spinner wont make you a fortune unless you get the 25 spins, that
gives multple jackpots, 6 only the only time I got it.

Had a bit of a go at TI last night playing for real.Played on 30p,game seemed
reasonably happy giving cash shots of 250 and 30 free spins,but funds ran too
low to allow me to keep forcing and ended up taking 30 spins then took all wins after that.winning run gave about 80 so i wasnt too far off a jacky.
Cannot belive the bloody thing eliminates Treasure island and X500 when they are the only remaining in the groups.Happenned twice on both.
Anyway game is tottally dead now so it will be a long time before I bother
trying it again.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi i had the treasure island feature eliminated a couple off times when i took the 50 win spins it was gone to.

Thanks for the info on the newer awps and how much was your win for the 30 win spins.

 

[shadow123]

Hi i had the treasure island feature eliminated a couple off times when i took the 50 win spins it was gone to.

Thanks for the info on the newer awps and how much was your win for the 30 win spins.

cant rememeber exactly about 45 I think

 

[vinylweatherman]

All In

Just gone midnight & 150 left after doing all the Birthday promos,

So, as they say in Poker.... I'm going "all in" to pop this pirate.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi vwm whats the score! I hope you aint walked da plank.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hi vwm whats the score! I hope you aint walked da plank.

I may well have done

For the first time on record, apart from the beginning, I had to FUND my Neteller account last night

Microgaming pulled back a surprise Equaliser at Canbet, and Laddies didn't pop yet again. Both seem near, but this is just like real fruities, having to dash to the ATM while hoping no-one has spotted the play & leaped on the machine. Fortunately, funding Neteller is FREE till the 31st, so I may as well, rather than use cards at casinos that so far have only seen Neteller deposits from me (I want to avoid withdrawal delays for card documents WHEN I finally get TI).

Canbet have compensated by offering me a bonus of 300 on my next 300 deposit, so another chance to get their TI & rack up more big bet blast points. I realise I risk having to go through the hassle again with their cashback promo, so I hope TI pops & I don't have to.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Again

Had to fund Neteller a SECOND time today


This just says it all!

 

[winbig]

Had to fund Neteller a SECOND time today


This just says it all!

Oh, my VIRGIN eyes!

 

[heatherad]

Oh, my VIRGIN eyes!

LOL I didn't know what you were talking about until I scrolled completely down on Vinyl's screenshot. HAHA, I'm about on the floor laughing

 

[LOOKAWAY]

well i hope you pop that slot soon. In my last two sessions i was lucky enough to get thrown a couple off miracles on TS and no worries even left before i hit my free spins on no worries but got good profit out off both.

Will stick to faves and safes from now on, as a third would be ridiculous.

Was doing pretty good before i bumped into these games on seperate sessions.

TS. 731 spins for 1st feature
TS 80 spins 2nd feature
TS Miracle cant remember the spin
TS 48 spins 3rd feature

No worries 572 1st feature
No worries 24 spins 2nd feature
No worries 95 spins 3rd feature
No worries miracle 65th spin left on 66th spin after a lot off thought you know it was hard but worth it. upped my bets from minimun through all features.

Its those high first feature spins that knock me out if your not playing the 9 liners its allmost impossible to get out off the shit house!

 

[vinylweatherman]

I did go on to FINALLY pop the one at Ladbrokes, with only a day more to go for the promo. This was the LEAST it could do, and it did, ONE Jackpot followed by a very few very low 1x 2x and 4x repeat. What a miserable cont

 

[KasinoKing]

I did go on to FINALLY pop the one at Ladbrokes, with only a day more to go for the promo. This was the LEAST it could do, and it did, ONE Jackpot followed by a very few very low 1x 2x and 4x repeat. What a miserable cont

It's really sucks donkey's wanger, doesn't it?
So I guess like me, you wont be cuntinuing to play this one any more...

 

[vinylweatherman]

It's really sucks donkey's wanger, doesn't it?
So I guess like me, you wont be cuntinuing to play this one any more...

Unfortunately, I am a "Fruitie Addict", as well as a "Fruity pro", and I expect it will take me a few more poor features to believe that the repeats are generally NOT as good as the first two I got. Had I got what I had the second time on this attempt, it would have been THREE Jackpots and a fair few repeats, and I would have cashed out north of 3.5K from Laddies.

When I have popped all the TI Fruities I have played, then I will know how bad or not this is.

At least I won't be needing to fund my Neteller accunt today, as Club World will be doing the honours

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi VWM when you hit the ti feature i thought you just get smaller or larger repeats not the whole 500x so how comes you got anouther two 500x did you carry on at the slot back on the board feature for more.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hi VWM when you hit the ti feature i thought you just get smaller or larger repeats not the whole 500x so how comes you got anouther two 500x did you carry on at the slot back on the board feature for more.

No, the one TI feature in that case hit 500x TWICE during the series of repeats, and this bore no relation to what I had put in to its "pot". If anything, it hit early, I was expecting more play to be needed when instead of "Eliminate" it landed on "Feature Shots" and only the TI feature was left

This was only at 25p, but I got over 400 from the feature, made up mainly from the 3x125 jackpots.

It is this experience that makes me undecided as to whether this method is good or not, as if there is a decent chance of getting big runs off the TI Feature, then the odd miserable failure is worth the risk.

Probably by the end of April or May, I will have a better picture, and can then decide whether to continue this "research" with other AWP type games offered by MG.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Method alteration.

I have been busy trying an interesting alteration of method.

I have forced to the point of getting x250 cash, and then I hit 500x. This normally means all blocks are off, and the next board is usually the TI feature.
Knowing this, I tried a method used on some real Fruit Machines called "knocking back the IM". I assumed that each following board would give another 500x folowed by the TI feature, HOWEVER, I knocked each one back by taking the "revolver" feature and deliberately NOT stopping on the Jackpot which was offered each time.

After knocking back quite a few boards, each of which came only a spin or two after the other, I got this start to the feature

This is a "land" Fruitie Feature I did not think MG had adopted - but how wrong I was

I thus knocked a few of these back (around half a dozen), and then finally it just hit TI after the very first spin, denying me ANY chance to knock it back.


The feature went "mental", paying close to 3000x bet altogether, but whats more I found the maching was not "dead" at the next board, but it was as though I was almost there again, offering 250x pretty much straight away.

I am now going to repeat the sequence, knocking back on "revolver" until it FORCES TI on me by landing on it the first spin.

I am only using a 25p stake, but this would probably work higher up.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Good going VWM i am a little lost tho as i have not taken any features on it before other than 50 win spins.

I like the new awp not the win spins one the agrakadabrer or something as it tells you what all features do just scroll over to see.

And as shadow123 said it gives a realy fair go the closest to a fruity on the net.

The win spin game was crap played to i got 15 win spins and got 45xbet and 25 is the top number o well.

 

[KasinoKing]

I have been busy trying an interesting alteration of method....

Although I could see the funny side, I sincerely hope your posts is not an April Fool's joke, as if it encouraged loads of people to do their nuts on this rigged shite it would not be funny at all!

However, I have to admit that despite my earlier vow to steer clear I was still screwed up inside about how much this b'stard 'owes me' and so did venture back last night.
I was trying 25p, 50p & 1 spins and it felt like it was going somewhere at 1 as it kept offering me cash x30, x40 & occasionally x50, which I refused of course.
But it still seemed a mile off popping by the time I had dug myself into another 80+ of debt, and so I also tried another tactic; I started jumping my stakes around even more to see what it offered at each level, from 25p right up to a few spins at 5 a go!
It still didn't look like the top feature was coming, so I started taking lesser features such as Win Series, 20 win spins* and even Spin a Win which was the first thing offered in a 5 feature and paid a surprising 10/1.
(* Very annoying, yet so typical that when you take 20 spins the first 4 or 5 are decent x10, x20 or x40, but then the rest are ALL x1, x2 or x4... )

After doing the above for about 20 minutes I was around 200 up on my starting point and the slot seemed to be 'dying' so I stopped, happy to have got most of my losses back at last.

Whether I can now resist going back to try this tactic again remains to be seen...

 

[vinylweatherman]

Another one falls.

Got another one today

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi KasinoKing when i took the 50 win spins in practise mode i got the same deal as you getting all the top pays other than the 500x with my first 4-5 spins rest were the low end off pay table.

If i played for real i wouldnt take the 50 win spins unless it came very early.
I haven't had a touch off the crazies so far but i am learning just in case.

Unlike VWM i am no pub fruity pro. :notworthy

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hi KasinoKing when i took the 50 win spins in practise mode i got the same deal as you getting all the top pays other than the 500x with my first 4-5 spins rest were the low end off pay table.

If i played for real i wouldnt take the 50 win spins unless it came very early.
I haven't had a touch off the crazies so far but i am learning just in case.

Unlike VWM i am no pub fruity pro. :notworthy

This point should be stressed, try these "methods" in PRACTISE mode, and then you will get some idea of the amount of bankroll needed to complete in REAL mode.
It is no good going for it at 2 if you can only commit 500 for the effort, as you will have to bail out early, and probably take a feature that does not pay.
It does not matter if you run out of funds, if you can wait, do so, and continue the force the next time you are able to deposit.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Ok i should probaly add that i did go back after the 50 win spins and increased my bets from 1credit to 10credit bets and it did go early and give me 50xbet on feature. i think that left me about $250 up probaly a freak win.

BTW it took $500 to get 50 win spins they paid about 250xbet, at that point feature gave me only 250xbet and regualy had only ti feature left on map and a couple off times even eliminated it.

 

[refre]

Hi there I was just wondering, for how long will these machines remember its "state", or will it ever reset?

The reason I'm asking is that in jan/feb I lost about $600 at The Gee Gees, doing $5 spins. I didn't get any good features or wins that I remember.

So I thought I'd do a little experiment I went to play for fun and deposited $600, played $5 and $10 spins not taking any of the prizes offered. They were all bad anyways. After losing that, I deposited $100 and did some $1 spins. The machine kept giving me the melons for 250x but I didn't take it. After spending $50 that way I thought... I have only given the machine about $650, so if it "owes" me that, it cant pay it back by giving me any of the reel wins because hitting disco balls is 2000x and the second highest win is melons for 250x. So I lowered my stake to .25 and having just spent a few $ it gave me the best feature possible for 2000x and lotsa re-triggers for 250x and some smaller ones. The feature paid a total of $820 or 3280x bet.

So I'm thinking, it doesn't really matter how much you're betting because the machine will give back what it "owes" you anyways. I may go back to the casino in question to play a few .25 spins

And btw thanks guys for trying to get some sense out of these machines


Freddy

 

[Slotster!]

That gets me thinking... I'm sure I've lost my shirt on one of them before, back when they were quite new... Problem is I can't remember which one!!!

Might have a play tomorrow... They bore me SENSELESS though!!!!

Ooh ooh... I think it was the curry one thinking about it.

 

[KasinoKing]

So I'm thinking, it doesn't really matter how much you're betting because the machine will give back what it "owes" you anyways. I may go back to the casino in question to play a few .25 spins

And btw thanks guys for trying to get some sense out of these machines

Freddy

Good luck - I hope it works for you.
It might not give you back ALL you've lost (all machines have to make their %) but it certainly could give back a large proportion.
I still feel TI 'owes' me quite a bit, but even lowing my bets it now refuses to even give a sniff of a win.

That gets me thinking... I'm sure I've lost my shirt on one of them before, back when they were quite new... Problem is I can't remember which one!!!

Might have a play tomorrow... They bore me SENSELESS though!!!!

Ooh ooh... I think it was the curry one thinking about it.

Cash n Curry might be a bit harder to 'force' than TI or GG's because you can't refuse all the features offered.
But I suppose it might 'pop' if you invest enough....
Good luck!