S. 3081 - A Bill That Ends "America the Free"
With the on-going brouhaha over health care "reform" it is no wonder that so few noticed the introduction by Senator John McCain of S. 3081, titled Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010. It is a fitting reminder of the non-choice voter's had during the last Presidential election.
They could vote for progressive socialist or a anally retentive statist that made George Bush look like a free market capitalist as opposed to what he actually was. Neither McCain nor Obama had ever run a business, hired employees, made a payroll and paid taxes on their business, or had to make a profit. Both had been living off a government pay check for decades. What a maddening choice between shades of the same kind of kind of person/politician. It really was no choice at all in 2008.
The political editor of the Atlantic wrote, "A Detention Bill You Ought to Read More Carefully" soon after the introduction of the McCain's Senate Bill 3081. It describes how anyone considered "an enemy belligerent" can be detained indefinitely without trail. It makes no distinction between US citizens, who thought the US Constitution provided some protection of their rights, and non-citizens. You need only to be suspected of activity and designated a threat for the full weight of this bill to put you under the jail ... pretty much forever.
The bill provided "criteria for designation of individuals as high value detainees. It reads:
"The regulations required by this subsection shall include criteria for designating an individual as a high-value detainee based on the following:"
1.The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
2.The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
3.The potential intelligence value of the individual.
4.Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda.
5.Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.
The last one is chilling, to the point where those who laughed at the idea of FEMA Camps as wild conspiracy need to rethink their assumptions. The danger this bill offers to our American way of life is immeasurable. It eviscerates the Bill of Rights that exists only because our founders feared that one day politicians would write legislation like this bill.
If passed, TEA Party members, bloggers, e-mailers, authors, and other critics of those in power may find themselves falling under #5 more often than not. It will be all perfectly legal if the President certifies it "appropriate!"
Can't happen here you say? Yeah, right ... it already twice. Once in 1861 and again in 2006. And more than one President in America's history would have loved to have had this power to take care of their "enemies."
If passed, this bill offers American tyrants unlimited power over US citizens. It will make previous actions by such tyrants as Abraham Lincoln when he suspended Habeas Corpus and then refused to recognize the Supreme Court order to honor the right of habeas corpus and then the declaration that Lincoln's acts were unconstitutional. Lincoln had jailed and even bayoneted his enemies and those he thought threatened the union or the continuation of his political party in power.
If it sounds familiar, but you think of George Bush instead instead of Lincoln, it is because of the most recent instance was when President Bush signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
has anyone els heard or read anything eles on this?
i,ve looked up 3 or 4 things and they are pertty much the same as this.
i have never heard of this bill before or where its at in the senate or even if its still alive.
but what i get from reading what i have is it is still waiting to be heard in the sanate.
anybody got anything on this other then what i,ve looked up?
read # 5
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With the on-going brouhaha over health care "reform" it is no wonder that so few noticed the introduction by Senator John McCain of S. 3081, titled Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010. It is a fitting reminder of the non-choice voter's had during the last Presidential election.
They could vote for progressive socialist or a anally retentive statist that made George Bush look like a free market capitalist as opposed to what he actually was. Neither McCain nor Obama had ever run a business, hired employees, made a payroll and paid taxes on their business, or had to make a profit. Both had been living off a government pay check for decades. What a maddening choice between shades of the same kind of kind of person/politician. It really was no choice at all in 2008.
The political editor of the Atlantic wrote, "A Detention Bill You Ought to Read More Carefully" soon after the introduction of the McCain's Senate Bill 3081. It describes how anyone considered "an enemy belligerent" can be detained indefinitely without trail. It makes no distinction between US citizens, who thought the US Constitution provided some protection of their rights, and non-citizens. You need only to be suspected of activity and designated a threat for the full weight of this bill to put you under the jail ... pretty much forever.
The bill provided "criteria for designation of individuals as high value detainees. It reads:
"The regulations required by this subsection shall include criteria for designating an individual as a high-value detainee based on the following:"
1.The potential threat the individual poses for an attack on civilians or civilian facilities within the United States or upon United States citizens or United States civilian facilities abroad at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
2.The potential threat the individual poses to United States military personnel or United States military facilities at the time of capture or when coming under the custody or control of the United States.
3.The potential intelligence value of the individual.
4.Membership in al Qaeda or in a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda.
5.Such other matters as the President considers appropriate.
The last one is chilling, to the point where those who laughed at the idea of FEMA Camps as wild conspiracy need to rethink their assumptions. The danger this bill offers to our American way of life is immeasurable. It eviscerates the Bill of Rights that exists only because our founders feared that one day politicians would write legislation like this bill.
If passed, TEA Party members, bloggers, e-mailers, authors, and other critics of those in power may find themselves falling under #5 more often than not. It will be all perfectly legal if the President certifies it "appropriate!"
Can't happen here you say? Yeah, right ... it already twice. Once in 1861 and again in 2006. And more than one President in America's history would have loved to have had this power to take care of their "enemies."
If passed, this bill offers American tyrants unlimited power over US citizens. It will make previous actions by such tyrants as Abraham Lincoln when he suspended Habeas Corpus and then refused to recognize the Supreme Court order to honor the right of habeas corpus and then the declaration that Lincoln's acts were unconstitutional. Lincoln had jailed and even bayoneted his enemies and those he thought threatened the union or the continuation of his political party in power.
If it sounds familiar, but you think of George Bush instead instead of Lincoln, it is because of the most recent instance was when President Bush signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
has anyone els heard or read anything eles on this?
i,ve looked up 3 or 4 things and they are pertty much the same as this.
i have never heard of this bill before or where its at in the senate or even if its still alive.
but what i get from reading what i have is it is still waiting to be heard in the sanate.
anybody got anything on this other then what i,ve looked up?
read # 5
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