PR: ECOGRA REPORT ON THE GRAND PRIV AFFILIATE PROGRAM INVESTIGATION

[maxyzz]

I agree, this sort of deliberate and fatuous misinterpretation does nothing to further the issue and get at some sensible and productive answers.

This is truly a real shocker. I say that because my interpretation is that eCOGRA were possibly misled on the Referspot issue...

This is truly a real shocker. I say that because the poster in the quote above pretends to defend affiliate's interests.

 

[Casinomeister]

The rot starts at the top.



And I'd appreciate it if members here will allow this industry to remain on track and not deviate into downward spirals of bullshit.



It's a waste of time. Here is the answer:

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The rot starts with people making assumptions and jumping to conclusions based on hearsay or rumors or both.

I have no idea what you are getting at with the above post - if you feel that derailing this thread into something else is tolerated here - especially after being warned (read -now), you'll find your access to this forum section blocked. Your choice.

 

[jetset]

This is truly a real shocker. I say that because the poster in the quote above pretends to defend affiliate's interests.

BZZZZZ! Wrong again. I do not profess to do anything of the sort and am not involved with the affiliate sector whatsoever.

Suggest you do a little brushing up on your knowledge, professor!

 

[Casinomeister]

This is truly a real shocker. I say that because the poster in the quote above pretends to defend affiliate's interests.

Just an observation.

Man, do you have a life? If so - what a pathetic one at that. Signing up over and over and over again just to throw in a couple of personal jabs. You are an ass clown. No one really finds this funny but you. Your presence is tedious and you're a bore. Really.

I wish ass clowns like you would invest the same amount of time you do on the boards, and do some volunteer work in your community instead. Why don't you go out and help some handicapped kids, or visit some old folks stuck at home? Man up and focus your attention on bettering someone's life instead of cluttering up our forum with your rubbish.

Unfortunately, you probably aren't this sort of person. You'd rather jack-off over here in Casinomeisterland.

/derail

 

[Casinomeister]

What a laugh. Over at the GPWA, I'm being misquoted AGAIN to make me look like the fool:

Well, it appears they have. According to Bailey, the Microgaming CEO insists the audit was conducted "fairly".

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Did I say that? No - I didn't. Did Roger Raatgever say this? No, he never did.

What I did say - and you can quote me on this - is that the CEO said that the operator is adamant that the audit was done fairly. .

I have said this all along - affiliates are their worst enemy. The are quite a few that are just shit stirrers who don't give a flying rats ass about anything but their egos and how many personal jabs they can dish out. They quote people out of context, feign industry smarts, and become legends in their own mind chasing every cyber-ambulance out there.

Funny thing is that when they have a chance to meet you face to face, they slink off like cowards. Go figure.

Back on topic. I have no idea why I'm doing this, but I'm willing to present your questions AND input. We want to see something constructive come out of this right?

 

[dominique]

I will be working on this but will need some time - I have to pull a bunch of facts from the CAP archive and it's tedious and I want this to be right - I think we have a one time shot there.

Hopefully I will come up with a string of facts that will be verifiable by Microgaming and will get us someplace.

So I'll need to set a block of time aside to concentrate on this, multitasking while I do it is getting me nowhere fast.

There will be some questions I'd like to ask, but accompanied by facts Microgaming can check out...

I take this very seriously and hope they will too.

 

[jetset]

Good for you, Dom - verifiable facts and sensible questions are always preferable to speculation and looking for the negatives in everything.

It's remarkable that our host here is still prepared to try and assist affiliates with this when all it seems to bring him is grief and bitching, but those are unfortunately the hallmarks of a number of GPWA posters with personal as well as payment agendas.

I suspect you may be right about this being the last shot with any sort of chance of success.

 

[vinylweatherman]

There may be one line to follow.

Find a witness.

You may be able to find a player that you can demonstrate was referred by you (the affiliate), and who is prepared to help with stats from THEIR end.

The more players prepared to help, the better. Affiliates who have offered help to their players, and formed some kind of "community" on their portals are more likely to get players to help - after all, the player has lost nothing, and has nothing to gain.

If the GP audit says you are owed nothing, or a very minor amount, yet players you referred are STILL depositing and playing, you can cross reference THEIR stats with what the audit claims you are owed. So long as the player can show you the net loss between Dec 2008 and the end of 2009, you can do this. It's easy for the player - pull up Cashcheck, it holds 2 years worth, and do a search from then till now. Take the figure for total deposits, and subtract the figure for total withdrawals. If this is positive, the player MAY have generated payments. If so, ask the player to do this by calendar months, this will provide data for an accurate calculation of what that player produced in revenue for the casino, and multiplying this by the affiliate commission percentage should give a figure for the commission owed from that player.
Affiliates who have been told nothing is owing only need to find ONE player whose records disprove this, to prove the audit was flawed, and produced the wrong figures.

It seems GP knew what they were doing when they asked eCogra to do the audit. By commissioning it themselves, they gained legal control over the procedure. Had eCogra themselves initiated the audit, THEY would have had full control, and could have demanded whatever information they deemed necessary, and GP would have had to comply.

GP probably thought this process would kill the issue that had been smoldering away all year, and that they would only have had to pay a limited amount out. Unfortunately, it didn't work, and they are now in an even worse situation than before, having inflamed the issue yet again.

The fact that GP no longer want to cooperate with an investigation into the fairness of the outcome only serves to convince affiliates that this was a contrived exercise from the outset, and was NOT designed to find out how much was really earned from legacy players, but to provide a means of "buying off" those affiliates who felt they had an outstanding grievance in the hope that the issue, and the blacklistings, would become a thing of the past.

With no current affiliate scheme, GP have no need to placate affiliates any more than is necessary to have the blacklistings removed.

I also don't buy the findings from the audit that for some affiliates at least, every single player they had decided in unison to stop playing, and coincidentally on the same date that the program closed. For one, it took time for the issue to grow to the extent that affiliates were blackisting GP, and players who quit because of this would have done so gradually, as first they saw the blacklisting, and then considered whether such an issue was really THEIR concern, because they may have been getting excellent service from GP as a player at the time.

 

[AussieDave]

players who quit because of this would have done so gradually, as first they saw the blacklisting, and then considered whether such an issue was really THEIR concern, because they may have been getting excellent service from GP as a player at the time.

Lets be frank here I honestly don't know of too many players who would give up excellent comps and service (if that's what they were getting) and kick all this to the curb because a casino group they are playing at shafted their affiliates.

So getting back to VWM's post, players sure wouldn't have left in unison & on the same day as GP scrapped the aff program. It makes no sense at all.

Whoever has accepted that as a valid reason, shouldn't have been responsible for the overseeing & or managing the GP aff audit.
Because it's clear they have no idea about the industry and how it works. And obviously had the piss taken out of them and deposited directly back in their pockets.



Cheers



Dave