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This casino has confirmed they are pulling out of the UK market due to "regulatory concern". The start of things to come for UK players?
Kingplayer.com no longer accepting uk players.
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nope, there is simply too much profit for them to pull out fully
They just need to expand and build up a reputation.
catapultaudio
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I have not yet tried out kingplayer although it was on my list of SUBs to try out in the future. The situation is certainly not ideal and something of a worry, but us UK players can be confident we are not going to suffer the kind of complete execution USA players had to withstand as, at the very least, brands like William Hill, Corals, Betfred, Ladbrokes and Paddy Power (all playtech, bizarrely... what is that all about anyway?) are without question committed to serving the UK market for a long time to come, likewise Stan James and Sky Vegas (Multiplatform inc netent/microgaming), and 32red for MGS download.
We are definitely not going to end up without a few great options for whichever software we fancy playing this weekend - nevertheless, I will be completely gutted if UK players end up being cut out of half the worlds online casinos because of this garbage legislation... it just disgusts me
We are definitely not going to end up without a few great options for whichever software we fancy playing this weekend - nevertheless, I will be completely gutted if UK players end up being cut out of half the worlds online casinos because of this garbage legislation... it just disgusts me
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I wouldn`t say so, I suppose they don`t really have that many UK players over at Kingplayer.
I hope for the UK players that EveryMatrix casinos can make their own choice in this matter.
The main thing is, I can`t see the big brands pulling out of UK. Maybe the good, but smaller casinos,
like Guts will, but the likes of Betsson group, I don`t think so.
But then again, who knows
I hope for the UK players that EveryMatrix casinos can make their own choice in this matter.
The main thing is, I can`t see the big brands pulling out of UK. Maybe the good, but smaller casinos,
like Guts will, but the likes of Betsson group, I don`t think so.
But then again, who knows
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Why now? They can accept UK players just as before until December 1st.
This is the second casino to pull out long before they have to, and it brings with it the worry not of the US situation, but of Spain and Italy where there were mass account lockings without prior notice some months before any new regulations came into force. It didn't just stop players from playing, it left them with trapped funds and unfinished promotions, all of which had to be untangled via CS, and it took much longer than it would have done were they simply able to log in and request a withdrawal.
What UK players need is plenty of advance warning from casinos that are going to shut down to UK players because of these new rules so that they can withdraw their funds and finish any promos in time, and not enter promos that they will be unable to complete.
If they are not going to tell us, we are going to have to guess, which in this case puts ALL EveryMatrix casinos in doubt for UK players as we don't know whether this decision comes from King Player, or is an edict from EveryMatrix in much the same way that the mass lockings of Spanish and Italian players was an edict from Microgaming over which the operators had no say. The pull out from Canada was also by edict from the software providers like Playtech, operators had no say in the matter.
Only when our favoured casinos have obtained a UK license can we be sure that we can be confident they are set to remain in the UK market. As applications are not even being accepted yet, no casino can give UK players this reassurance. The big brands are able to obtain "continuation licences", which the UKGC has specifically designed in order to enable continuity of supply such that casinos do NOT have to temporarily pull out of the UK in the run up to December 1st, nor worry about this 6 month period.
Those casinos that are pulling out have decided not to go for a continuation licence, and this might be because they either intend to pull out of the UK altogether, or have not yet made a decision, so are not prepared to shell out for a continuation licence.
This is the second casino to pull out long before they have to, and it brings with it the worry not of the US situation, but of Spain and Italy where there were mass account lockings without prior notice some months before any new regulations came into force. It didn't just stop players from playing, it left them with trapped funds and unfinished promotions, all of which had to be untangled via CS, and it took much longer than it would have done were they simply able to log in and request a withdrawal.
What UK players need is plenty of advance warning from casinos that are going to shut down to UK players because of these new rules so that they can withdraw their funds and finish any promos in time, and not enter promos that they will be unable to complete.
If they are not going to tell us, we are going to have to guess, which in this case puts ALL EveryMatrix casinos in doubt for UK players as we don't know whether this decision comes from King Player, or is an edict from EveryMatrix in much the same way that the mass lockings of Spanish and Italian players was an edict from Microgaming over which the operators had no say. The pull out from Canada was also by edict from the software providers like Playtech, operators had no say in the matter.
Only when our favoured casinos have obtained a UK license can we be sure that we can be confident they are set to remain in the UK market. As applications are not even being accepted yet, no casino can give UK players this reassurance. The big brands are able to obtain "continuation licences", which the UKGC has specifically designed in order to enable continuity of supply such that casinos do NOT have to temporarily pull out of the UK in the run up to December 1st, nor worry about this 6 month period.
Those casinos that are pulling out have decided not to go for a continuation licence, and this might be because they either intend to pull out of the UK altogether, or have not yet made a decision, so are not prepared to shell out for a continuation licence.
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Im in support of the new regs coming out here.
If that men't every casino pulling out then so be it, If it happened id save some cash
If that men't every casino pulling out then so be it, If it happened id save some cash
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yeah but if the do the bookies think they have won as the government would have took care of there competion for them
and plus by the time the u.k government has done any cashino what stick around will have at least 1000x for the wagering
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Shame, had my biggest DoA win at KingPlayer and payment received within 24 hours.
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yeah but if the do the bookies think they have won as the government would have took care of there competion for them
and plus by the time the u.k government has done any cashino what stick around will have at least 1000x for the wagering
Would not bother me one bit about wagering, Im a if you play you pay, stopped taking subs several month ago so dot get into wagering, Having a good look at the new regs most of what changes is bringing them into line with uk companies. With the main you take money from a UK player its taxed at the set UK rate and as a self employed designer i pay tax on what im payed by customers so should they.
Just hope this starts something within the UK to stop off shore companies from removing monies with no tax
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but when that happens I wont play online at all
even the arcades arnt getting any better because of the goverement squeezing people too much and they wonder why bookies are struggling but the deceive to as all the are doing is ripping the customers of because the government is putting the squeeze on
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It wont skint Uk customers thou as its the casino that pays not us. If the casino devices some way of taking from the Uk customer then its down to the Uk customer to chose to do it or not.
As for the arcades/casino in the UK my uncle owns Horizan casino's and arcades and as gone from strength to strength over the last 10 years with a average growth of 17.3% per annum over the past 5 years already paying large and full amounts of tax and even at the seaside near me a couple of the arcades have just had major face lifts to the tune of several millions of GBP
As for the arcades/casino in the UK my uncle owns Horizan casino's and arcades and as gone from strength to strength over the last 10 years with a average growth of 17.3% per annum over the past 5 years already paying large and full amounts of tax and even at the seaside near me a couple of the arcades have just had major face lifts to the tune of several millions of GBP
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The arcades suffered because they pressed the government into raising the max prizes and stakes. This dramatically reduced the playing time per pound, and customers walked. The games were actually better when they were 20p and £6 jackpot. This enabled the design of "streaks", periods of enhanced payout that could last quite a while. With the prizes now so high, there is little room for a period of enhanced payout, it's the jackpot, minute chance of a repeat, and then it's all over because the machine then has to take back a couple of hundred quid just to fund another jackpot.
They also took away the skill features, along with the "hidden features" that one would learn through experience. The compensation control was also tightened, and this meant the machines often had 2 modes, most of the time never offering more than £3 to £4 on the feature until enough had been saved up to pay the jackpot. It all went to pot when they upped the stake to 50p and £1, and the jackpots to £35.
The last factor is that despite the representations they made to the government that higher stakes would mean higher throughput, which would allow them to offer a much higher RTP to the player, the RTP in many places has never been lower, often set at the rock bottom 70%, below which an arcade would be considered a "rogue trader". The 70% RTP is noticed by players because it makes the game have very long "suck" periods, and the "streaks" when they come, are at the low end of expectations. Some advertised game possibilities don't even happen at all at such low RTPs, which makes players think the machine has been rigged.
If an arcade bucks the trend and sets standard fruities to 85% and above, they would be much more interesting to play, and customers would keep coming back. Seaside arcades stand a better chance than the town centres, as town centre arcades have developed a rather "sleazy" reputation which tends to deter casual customers. Arcades also need to realise that in order to play, customers have to be able to change their notes, and this attitude of flat refusal to change a pocket full of £1 coins back to notes after a decent run makes it look as though winning a jackpot is not tolerated.
Notes to plays or coins has been catered for my change machines, but until recently the reverse has not been catered for. Win the £500 jackpot from one of those vegas style slot terminals, and you are stuck with having to find room for £500 in £1 coins in your pockets.
Online, it's all electronic, no need to have several tons of coinage ripping holes through your pockets, or having to find an ATM or change machine before being able to play.
Another major annoyance is the arcade that refuses to replace blown bulbs and broken buttons on a machine, yet still expects it to be played and enjoyed. I have seen some truly shocking examples, one was SO bad at Fleet services on the M3 that I emailed a formal complaint to the company
I have yet to encounter a blown bulb on an online slot.
They also took away the skill features, along with the "hidden features" that one would learn through experience. The compensation control was also tightened, and this meant the machines often had 2 modes, most of the time never offering more than £3 to £4 on the feature until enough had been saved up to pay the jackpot. It all went to pot when they upped the stake to 50p and £1, and the jackpots to £35.
The last factor is that despite the representations they made to the government that higher stakes would mean higher throughput, which would allow them to offer a much higher RTP to the player, the RTP in many places has never been lower, often set at the rock bottom 70%, below which an arcade would be considered a "rogue trader". The 70% RTP is noticed by players because it makes the game have very long "suck" periods, and the "streaks" when they come, are at the low end of expectations. Some advertised game possibilities don't even happen at all at such low RTPs, which makes players think the machine has been rigged.
If an arcade bucks the trend and sets standard fruities to 85% and above, they would be much more interesting to play, and customers would keep coming back. Seaside arcades stand a better chance than the town centres, as town centre arcades have developed a rather "sleazy" reputation which tends to deter casual customers. Arcades also need to realise that in order to play, customers have to be able to change their notes, and this attitude of flat refusal to change a pocket full of £1 coins back to notes after a decent run makes it look as though winning a jackpot is not tolerated.
Notes to plays or coins has been catered for my change machines, but until recently the reverse has not been catered for. Win the £500 jackpot from one of those vegas style slot terminals, and you are stuck with having to find room for £500 in £1 coins in your pockets.
Online, it's all electronic, no need to have several tons of coinage ripping holes through your pockets, or having to find an ATM or change machine before being able to play.
Another major annoyance is the arcade that refuses to replace blown bulbs and broken buttons on a machine, yet still expects it to be played and enjoyed. I have seen some truly shocking examples, one was SO bad at Fleet services on the M3 that I emailed a formal complaint to the company
I have yet to encounter a blown bulb on an online slot.
Do you have a link to this notification?
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No, just had the following email:
"We are sorry but due to changing regulation concerning online gambling laws we are no longer able to offer KINGPLAYER.com in the United Kingdom for the forseeable future. For this reason you are no longer able to make a deposit, however, you are still able to withdraw your remaining funds. We are very sorry and hope you enjoyed yourself on our platform.
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Good Luck and Have Fun,
Your KINGPLAYER team
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Sorry to be a pain, but can anyone provide me with a link with the new changes in the UK? Or be kind enough to go into detail about it? 
Hope everyone is enjoying a nice hot weekend...
The Beers are flowing and the BBQ is on stand-by
Rob
Hope everyone is enjoying a nice hot weekend...
The Beers are flowing and the BBQ is on stand-by
Rob
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Sorry to be a pain, but can anyone provide me with a link with the new changes in the UK? Or be kind enough to go into detail about it?
Hope everyone is enjoying a nice hot weekend...
The Beers are flowing and the BBQ is on stand-by
Rob
Main change is Tax is been charged at point of sale and not point of buisness.
I.E Casino will have to pay a 15% tax on money they take of UK Players instead of the amount they normally pay according to where they are located Isle of Man etc.
Just one thing id like to ask those that know a little more than i do would the remaining 85% they take still be taxable in there own Location (On the basis there based in Taxable areas)??
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Odd that they are pulling out now, when they can still take UK players until the end of November.
Maybe they have not built up a significant UK player base, so have decided to cut their losses now rather than hang on till December.
They are still accepting new UK players according to their website and terms, although UK players trying to register may well find that they can't.
It's an ominous sign of things to come, and suggests that casinos licenced within the EU are likely to pull out of the UK during the summer unless they have decided to press on and get the required licence and set up their systems to calculate and pay the taxes.
There is of course no need to pay tax twice, they simply relocate to the UK. The 15% tax ONLY applies to UK based players, there is no UK tax to pay on players not from the UK.
It seems likely that the choice available to UK players will fall, and unfortunately it is likely to be polarised between the UK regulated casinos and the rogues who don't care about obeying the rules because they are based somewhere the UK government can't touch. It could mean many reasonable EU licensed casinos will pull out of the UK, and this will expose players to the clever marketing tactics of the rogues, who no doubt will offer far better terms than the UK licensed casinos, leaving players to find out the hard way that there is no redress via the UKGC when they fail to honour any deals.
paul7388
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There wensite still mentions UK players but they can no longer register. I had never played there as had never heard of it but in reading these posts I checked last night to see if it mentioned leaving UK. It doesn't but if you try to register UK has been removed from the dropdown list of countries.
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