Cablegate

[asianeyes]

Any thoughts about this? cablegate.wikileaks.org

 

[anniemac]

Yep, I do. I think that whoever leaked this information to WikiLeaks should be courtmartialed for treason. And I think that the goober that owns WikiLeaks should be banned from the US if not a US citizen and if he is, sounded foreign to me on TV, he also should be tried for treason.

Leaking sensitive information that could impact soldiers is despicable and certainly not in the interest of John Doe Public.

Now do I care if Hilary Clinton called Kim Jong Il a fat so and so? Not particularly. However, the cables were of the highest security and should never be broadcast for me to read.

I believe in free speech as much as anyone but as we are finding out in the US in regard to our right to spend our money as we see fit, no one is free to do anything anymore.

 

[LinkinFart]

Leaking sensitive information that could impact soldiers is despicable and certainly not in the interest of John Doe Public.

Why do You think this could impact soldiers?

I didnt have any time to look more into this whole thing, what type of documents were leaked...

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[jstrike]

I think this is the best thing since sliced cake. I can't stop reading em. It just blows the whole thing wide open. All the lies, all the BS from all the governments, US and everybody else. All those blowhards have to live with it, no secrets, all out in the open. It's fantastic. It's like seeing every news story for the last ten years suddenly getting explained like a normal person would explain it to you, without any of the bull, straight from the horse's mouth. Best thing that's ever happened from the internet, and probably the biggest dose of truth any of us will ever see in our lives.

The only thing I'm waiting for is somewhere in the other 250,000, someone's gonna spill the beans about UFOs once and for all.

 

[anniemac]

The items that were leaked prior to this batch had to do with war communications. I was making a statement about that and now this.

Funny as they may be, there could be substantial impact on our relations with other countries.

 

[GrandMaster]

And I think that the goober that owns WikiLeaks should be banned from the US if not a US citizen and if he is, sounded foreign to me on TV, he also should be tried for treason.

He owes no allegiance to the US, therefore he cannot be convicted of treason in the US. He does not need to be banned from the US, if he has any sense he will avoid it out of his own accord.

 

[asianeyes]

Yep, I do. I think that whoever leaked this information to WikiLeaks should be courtmartialed for treason. And I think that the goober that owns WikiLeaks should be banned from the US if not a US citizen and if he is, sounded foreign to me on TV, he also should be tried for treason.

Leaking sensitive information that could impact soldiers is despicable and certainly not in the interest of John Doe Public.

Now do I care if Hilary Clinton called Kim Jong Il a fat so and so? Not particularly. However, the cables were of the highest security and should never be broadcast for me to read.

I believe in free speech as much as anyone but as we are finding out in the US in regard to our right to spend our money as we see fit, no one is free to do anything anymore.

His name is Julian Assange and he's from Australia. Concerning the original leaking of the Iraqi and Afgan War Logs, it was Prvt. First Class Bradley Manning of the U.S. Army.

The lastest leaks are referred to as 'cablegate', and i believe Assange is trying to show the world the extreme level of corruption that alot of people are so unaware of and how it is affecting us all.

The web address is cablegate.wikileaks.org

The Kabul cables are very intresting as it relates to President Hamid Karzai and the mentions of herion trafficking.

Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan cables tell much as well...

 

[LinkinFart]

I`ll take a look. I thought it was only about opinions on politicians and stuff like that, what they think someone will do. But it looks there are more things to read there.

 

[slotplayer]

I think it has more to do with the USA being competent to keep what foreign leaders say, confidential.

They won't share info if they think it will leak out.

 

[jetset]

Politicians routinely posture about truth, integrity, patriotism and honesty, and they are clearly concerned that these documents are exposing the real side of international politics, which is not much different to many personal relationship "politics" imo.

It gives the lie to idealistic visions of how the world of politics works, which the cynical will claim "I told you so". It's not always a nice place out there, and politicians are human too <grin> I think.

Following the recent political scandals in the UK and Italy, and the manner in which American politicians can allegedly be manipulated, it will do little to enhance the public's perception of the breed.

I think the Wikileaks release is also excruciatingly embarrassing for the United States from a security angle, and from the perspective of personal reactions by the people who have had their real opinions exposed and been in many cases described in unflattering terms by US officials. Taking a pragmatic view, international relationships will have to continue, but personal memories can be long, and I doubt that this will assist trust in US political liaison in the future.

It will probably also cause a security overreaction within governments, which will make life more difficult and probably unpleasant.

I personally found the revelations fascinating as background to news stories of the past and international relationships. What I am really looking forward to is the promised publication by Wikileaks next year of documents blowing the lid off the global banking system...that is going to be a real doozie!

I have only read what the media has published thus far, but I don't see anything that places US troops in any more harm's way than they are at present in real rather than speculative terms. The documents appear mainly to be about diplomatic issues and opinions, and briefings on individuals. That's something which most governments do, and all the international companies I have been involved with - it just makes sense to know as much about the people you are dealing/negotiating with as possible.

That said, I believe that some of the Washington requests for credit card and other very personal and sensitive information is more questionable.

I get the impression that the main reaction of the US is to paper over the cracks that this deluge of paperwork has brought about, and find a scapegoat, who will presumably be given a new one....bigtime.

I also sense a desire to harm or discredit Julian Assange (possibly through the Australian government - his home country) for bringing this situation down on their heads, and I imagine this will put further pressure on him to remain as inaccessible and anonymous as possible. There is already talk of the Aussies withdrawing his passport.

I'm still undecided as to whether Assange is genuinely an idealist who wants to expose the truth at any cost, or the platinum plated s*** stirrer and possible anarchist that some politicians have tried to label him. He certainly is not lacking in courage, revving up the world's most powerful people!

I tend to believe his motivation is clean, but I am a little uncomfortable with the thought that anyone not in possession of all the threads in a wider political picture can make judgement calls on the desirability or otherwise of dumping contentious and possibly inflammatory material in the public domain. At least the releases were made through major and generally respected media companies, which suggests a desire to have a second opinion screening as well as publicity on Assange's part.

On an emotional level, these sort of hopefully altruistic disclosures will always appeal to our innate desire for truth and integrity, but I can understand if not support the pragmatic political reaction to shut Assange and his revealing revelations down.

I hope they are not successful in doing so - he has introduced a new dimension for exposing the bad and the ugly.

 

[jetset]

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[kauphy]

just a ? won,t this give the goverment more fuel to take over the internet as they are trying to do as we speak?

 

[felicie]

It just shouldn't have happened and someone like that has no ties or loyalty to anyone or country but only to greed and in my book is a pretty worthless human being. They can put him on a rocket and shoot him to the moon for all I care.

 

[jetset]

He has certainly provoked interesting and disparate opinions, even among politicians of the same party in the US.

Whilst Republican Peter King took a dim view of what Wikileaks has done, fellow Republican Ron Paul said this yesterday:

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.

“This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion?”

“This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?"

If the West put as much effort into more serious problems facing us than leaks that embarrass politicians and complicate international relationships we would probably achieve more imo.

The amount of energy that is being invested by political society in discrediting, arresting, isolating and perhaps even threatening to assasinate Julian Assange and cripple his organisation is impressive - including pressuring corporates to deny him access to the internet (which in itself makes for an interesting freedom of speech argument); malicious DDoS assaults on his servers and persuading other governments to consider measures to apprehend or curtail his ability to travel.

That's a whole lot of clout being brought to bear on one individual who has published documents that so far noone has denied existed or were true in content. It seems to me that the main focus is on silencing Assange for keeps rather than defending what he has exposed.

I am open to correction, but I see little evidence of greed or real commercial benefit on the part of Wikileaks.

 

[jetset]

Another tranche of documents published today.... just been watching a US government spokesman using the old "quoted out of context" proposition.

 

[felicie]

I've been thinking about this for too long now lol. Maybe it bothers me because of privacy issues. Just because it is truth doesn't mean everyone was meant to hear it. It's like my grandmother use to say, 'nothing is sacred anymore' and I use to think what the hell does she mean by that? Whether it's a business, a govt. or a family gathering, we have to maintain a respect for each one's right of privacy or we become nothing more than a big herd of cattle with numbers branded on our butts. 'Leaking' is a slimy way to get to the truth and would give me serious doubts about the total credibility of the information. It is everything but the truth. imo.

Burning books and silencing people has never really caught on here in the states but there are some who will say anything to discredit us and that too is everything but the truth.

 

[LinkinFart]

fellow Republican Ron Paul said this yesterday:

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it.

I agree with Ron Paul on this one completely, vote for this guy on next elections. I mean, why should it be secret and those few documents I looked at, specially one about Panama and Noriega, didnt hold anything that sensitive, just usual assessment of the situation and speculation what may come out of it. Even the name of some "trusted person" was censored out so no harm done there.

I wont talk about whole 200K+ documents but in majority of the cases AND documents I think the same as Ron Paul. If its free country than why is lobbying for truth a treason.

Whether it's a business, a govt. or a family gathering, we have to maintain a respect for each one's right of privacy or we become nothing more than a big herd of cattle with numbers branded on our butts. 'Leaking' is a slimy way to get to the truth and would give me serious doubts about the total credibility of the information. It is everything but the truth. imo.

I think You are approaching this from wrong angle. Privacy is just fine but I dont think You can just stamp "Private" on matters performed in the name of the state and were elected there by YOU and they represent YOU in their doings. Dont You think that in case of Slovenia it is better for slovenians to know that their Prime minister Pahor was considering taking one Guantanamo prisoner in exchange for meeting with Obama.

ALL politicians COUNT on that secrecy and do things which none of us would consider as ethically acceptable or even the thing that majority of us would want them to do. If we knew all the secrets we would never elect them again. Now, is it just me or there is really something pervert about this situation, electing people under "false pretense".

Also, from what I know so far about secret documents ordinary people would never have access to such documents, "for your own protection". Really? Protection from what?


I think that theyre not, im not saying US on purpose here, after him about this Diplomacy documents leakage but what Assange announced he will release next. Rumours say it will be related to financial sector and Bank of America being in focus. I believe this is the main reason for all these media and nonmedia attacks on the guy. I fail to see how these documents are harmlfull to anyone innocent or that there is something that secret at all. Diplomats of EVERY COUNTRY in the world send same reports back to their superiors. Hillary and diplomats probably went on tour just to follow the protocol, not because there is possibility something sensitive will come out.

IMO previous leakage was far more harmful than this one.

 

[jetset]

I believe you make a valid point in bringing the privacy question into the debate....absolutely.

Unfortunately, when it comes to governments, privacy is really only respected when it suits the ruling party and politicians, something that I am sure those US citizens who were handed over by the Swiss banks last year noted; along with allegations of email monitoring and requiring banks to keep an eye on your transactions and report anything 'suspicious'.

I'm afraid we now live in an era where personal privacy is regrettably a declining privelege and no longer a right..... It's too often abused, justified by broad rationales like the need for national security, money laundering, tax avoidance, patriotism or whatever else can be applied.

My perception is that governments increasingly want to dictate what is moral and what is not to both citizens and foreigners, and the truth is often a casualty as politicians are left to do whatever they see as expedient at the time. Now and then I think it's good medicine to remind our elected politicians that they don't always have a free rein, and the smoke and mirrors are temporarily pushed to one side.

Now I'm sounding like a cynic, something I prefer not to become, but it's hard to avoid sometimes!

 

[felicie]

Linkin I don't think it is treason since the guy isn't an American citizen but if he broke the law he should have to deal with the consequences no matter where he is from.
And if his next hits going to be on BofA holy crap he'd better take the next rocket out of here to the moon.


'My perception is that governments increasingly want to dictate what is moral and what is not to both citizens and foreigners, and the truth is often a casualty as politicians are left to do whatever they see as expedient at the time. Now and then I think it's good medicine to remind our elected politicians that they don't always have a free rein, and the smoke and mirrors are temporarily pushed to one side.

Now I'm sounding like a cynic, something I prefer not to become, but it's hard to avoid sometimes!'


You're not a cynic jetset and they are not moral which is very sad and discouraging at times to say the least.

 

[asianeyes]

There's so much info to come as well and many of the revelations thus far are quite disturbing. The guardian newspaper is doing quite extensive coverage on a daily basis and in a easy to read format.

Paypal and Moneybookers have now terminated wikileaks services.

 

[LinkinFart]

You dont have to apologize or defend Felicie . I was just qouting Ron Paul. Thats why I used the term "treason". I can hardly see a treason in an act that can bring more good than harm to ordinary people. Not just in US but in entire world.

I`m eagerly waiting to see files about Bank of America and other financial power houses.

 

[jstrike]

Moneybookers locked Wikileaks account, too? I thought they only did that if you won too much on a Betfair promotion

 

[asianeyes]

Moneybookers locked Wikileaks account, too? I thought they only did that if you won too much on a Betfair promotion

That's a good one, Jstrike.

 

[LaurieJim]

His name is Julian Assange and he's from Australia. Concerning the original leaking of the Iraqi and Afgan War Logs, it was Prvt. First Class Bradley Manning of the U.S. Army.

The lastest leaks are referred to as 'cablegate', and i believe Assange is trying to show the world the extreme level of corruption that alot of people are so unaware of and how it is affecting us all.

The web address is cablegate.wikileaks.org

The Kabul cables are very intresting as it relates to President Hamid Karzai and the mentions of herion trafficking.

Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan cables tell much as well...

Prvt. First Class Bradley Manning of the U.S. Army is now where he belongs and should be tried for treason and put to hard labor at Levenworth but im sure other inmates there will see that he has no peace for the rest of his life.Treason against ones country should call for the strictest punishment allowed, hard labor or death.

Julian Assange needs to be brought up on the rape charges he is facing in Sweden and then extridited to the US to face charges of International theft of services, he is not only a pervert who has to resort to rape to get his nuts off but also a blackmailer and those that back him should think about his rape victim(s) in Sweden.


Laurie

 

[jstrike]

Treason against ones country should call for the strictest punishment allowed, hard labor or death.

What if your country is North Korea, and your act of treason is saying something bad about Kim Jong Il? Who decides if something's treason or if it's an act of bravely standing up against something evil? I mean, from what you're saying, treason's always whatever the government of some country says it is. Or maybe it's whatever you say it is. To take what you're saying out to its conclusion, might makes right. Whoever's got the most guns decides if something's treason or it isn't.

And that might be true in the end, but it ain't something to wish for. The point is, not everyone sees it the government's way here. Just like no one now would say George Washington was a traitor to England. Just like, if the South had seceded, no one now would think Robert E. Lee was a traitor. But Lee lost, so he's a traitor. Washington won and he ain't.

So while the ball's in play, it's smarter to reserve judgment. History usually makes fools out of the first ones to cast stones.

edit... I gotta edit this by saying that it's really ironic for you to have a quote from Samuel Adams in your signature...especially that one. If he wasn't talking about something just like Wikileaks, when he called for "an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush-fires of freedom in the minds of men," man, I don't know what he was talking about. Except back then, it was pamphlets handed out in Boston that were considered treason by the British.

 

[LaurieJim]

Treason is Treason and this US Soldier is guilty of this act, now is that right or wrong? I hold true to the passage of Samuel Adams but these are different times and your post has valid merit to it, this coward instead of out fighting was downloading on what was presumed to be a Lady GaGa CD, how many US men and women were killed on those days he was downloading and trying to make a buck or gain his 15 mins of fame?

I love this country and im also a charter DAR member, so as an American, I do not take these things lightly and neither should any other American.

See how the times have changed, some were right but most were wrong due to the change in our history for the better.

United States
Philip Vigol and John Mitchell, convicted of treason and sentenced to hanging; pardoned by George Washington; see Whiskey Rebellion.
Governor Thomas Dorr 1844, convicted of treason against the state of Rhode Island; see Dorr Rebellion; released in 1845; civil rights restored in 1851; verdict annulled in 1854.
John Brown, convicted of treason against the Commonwealth of Virginia in 1859 and executed for attempting to organize armed resistance to slavery.
Aaron Dwight Stevens, took part in John Brown's raid and was executed for treason against Virginia.
William Bruce Mumford 1862 convicted of treason and hanged for tearing down a United States flag during the American Civil War.
Mary Surratt, Lewis Powell, David Herold, and George Atzerodt in 1865 hanged for treason and conspiracy for the Lincoln assassination and conspiracy - by military tribunal.
Iva Toguri D'Aquino, who is frequently identified with "Tokyo Rose" convicted 1949. Subsequently pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
Herbert Hans Haupt German-born naturalized U.S. citizen, in 1942 was convicted of treason and executed for giving aid and comfort to the enemy (his son) and for espionage.
Martin James Monti, United States Army Air Force pilot, convicted of treason for defecting to the Waffen SS in 1944.
Robert Henry Best, convicted of treason on April 16, 1948 and served a life sentence.
Mildred Gillars, "Axis Sally," convicted of treason on March 8, 1949, served 12 years of a 10- to 30-year prison sentence.
Tomoya Kawakita, sentenced to death for treason in 1952, but eventually released by President John F. Kennedy to be deported to Japan.

Laurie

 

[asianeyes]

Prvt. First Class Bradley Manning of the U.S. Army is now where he belongs and should be tried for treason and put to hard labor at Levenworth but im sure other inmates there will see that he has no peace for the rest of his life.Treason against ones country should call for the strictest punishment allowed, hard labor or death.

Julian Assange needs to be brought up on the rape charges he is facing in Sweden and then extridited to the US to face charges of International theft of services, he is not only a pervert who has to resort to rape to get his nuts off but also a blackmailer and those that back him should think about his rape victim(s) in Sweden.


Laurie

You may be right, but only time will tell? It's early days yet and if you read all the Swedish prosecutions case resides on then most likely Julian Assange is not guilty of these charges.

In the case of bradley manning, if the courts find him guilty, he will have to take what's coming to him.

It's early days as of yet. Only time will tell...

 

[jstrike]

Laurie, I'm not saying that what Manning did isn't treason. In his case though, I think he had to have known this would destroy his life, and I think he believed he was doing the right thing. Every soldier's got an obligation to disobey orders they believe are wrong. To me, that was the point of the Nuremberg trials. And I'm not saying America is Nazi Germany, or that this kid was right...I'm just saying I can't fault someone's actions without knowing his convictions and motivations, and anybody willing to spend the rest of their life in jail or get executed to make a point, I think, deserves at least a fair hearing. That's what was wrong with Ruby Ridge, and Waco, when you think about it. Not that I think those people were right either, but it was Federal execution without a trial. And we haven't heard from Manning, and I don't believe we ever will now.

And the other thing is that Assange is being made into a scapegoat here. Once Manning's deed was done, if it wasn't Assange, would probably be somebody else. Assange isn't American, he doesn't owe any loyalty to America, so he can't be tried for treason and it just makes the American gov't look bad to hound him like this.

I think it's interesting because, reading these cables, I'm actually more proud of my gov't than I have been in years. They seem to be pretty well on the ball with all these different third world scumbags they deal with. I think these things make China and Saudi Arabia and Iran and North Korea...and even Italy, look a whole lot worse than the US. I consider myself a patriotic American...and one who doesn't think the gov't has any business telling us whether we can gamble or anything else... heck I voted for Larry Flynt when he ran for governor in California. I didn't vote for Ron Paul last time, but I sure will the next time around. And as such, I don't think we need to be afraid of the truth. Either our country's facing these dictators the way it should, or it isn't, and the only people I think have anything to lose here are our crooked politicians who said one thing and did another, and the dictators around the world who're being exposed to their own people as the lying thieves they are.

Tons of conspiracy theorists...including the Iranian government and Hugo Chavez...are trying to float the idea that these wikileaks were put out by the CIA, and that Assange is just a front for the US government. If they feel that threatened by it, I'm glad...it means we'll come out winners in the end. And in the long run, that's the only real measure for us anyway, all talk about justice aside. Sure, we talked some smack about Qadafi. What are they gonna do? Now or sometime, this had to come out...and in the end it still just shows we're the best country in the world to live in. But it would be a lot better if we welcomed this inevitable truth coming out, instead of getting all defensive about it.

 

[asianeyes]

Prvt. First Class Bradley Manning of the U.S. Army is now where he belongs and should be tried for treason and put to hard labor at Levenworth but im sure other inmates there will see that he has no peace for the rest of his life.Treason against ones country should call for the strictest punishment allowed, hard labor or death.

Julian Assange needs to be brought up on the rape charges he is facing in Sweden and then extridited to the US to face charges of International theft of services, he is not only a pervert who has to resort to rape to get his nuts off but also a blackmailer and those that back him should think about his rape victim(s) in Sweden.


Laurie

Hi, laurie. I respect your thoughts and opinions.

Prv. manning is currently sitting in a cell in quantico, Va. He's being held incommunicado and cannot even see so much as his parents.

When manning read what he did he had to think long and hard and he said he had to come to grips with his conscience and i dare say he knew all to well what would happen to him.That's how Julian Assange became involved.

Julian Assange was awarded the 2008 Index On censorship from the Economist New Media award.

In 2009 Amensty International awarded Wikileaks their media Award for exposing "extra judicial killings and disapperances in Kenya".

Wikileaks has a exposed much corruption in many places. One would have to do some many, many hours of research to understand the full extent of their work.

As for the alledged rape charge in Sweden, it's quite bizarre because the chief prosecutor, the director of public prosecution dropped the entire case against him, saying threre was absolutely nothing for him to face, back in September. And then, a few weeks ago, after the intervention of a swedish politician, a new prosecutor began a new case and not in the same jurisdiction as to where the alledge incidents occured?

Anyways, i reserve my judgement until all the facts come out.

 

[jetset]

As for the alledged rape charge in Sweden, it's quite bizarre because the chief prosecutor, the director of public prosecution dropped the entire case against him, saying threre was absolutely nothing for him to face, back in September. And then, a few weeks ago, after the intervention of a swedish politician, a new prosecutor began a new case and not in the same jurisdiction as to where the alledge incidents occured?QUOTE]

I've been wondering about this, having not seen too much media focus on what I would have thought was a key element in the persecution of Assange.

There doesn't appear to be much desire to examine these allegations more closely, and from what Asianeyes writes it appears that this facet needs more attention if balance and fairness on the hunt for Assange is to be achieved.

To me, Asianeyes's comment suggests that political pressure rather than real justice may be at play here, in the same way that various suppliers of internet services are assisting in hounding Wikileaks off the internet.

The scary thing is, I wouldn't put it past politicians to engineer exactly these scenarios in a vindictive attempt to nail and silence Assange and deflect attention from the content of the Wikileaks disclosures.

I would like to see the media, and the Swedish news services in particular, press the enforcement authorities on the apparent anomalies in the prosecution's approach in this case.

 

[jetset]

Double post - sorry!

 

[jetset]

Options narrowing for Wikileaks - and still no detailed reportage on the Swedish rape allegations.

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[NASHVEGAS]

Options narrowing for Wikileaks - and still no detailed reportage on the Swedish rape allegations.

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Options may be narrowing but Wikileaks appears to have a solid Plan B as I would have expected..........Also a bit more on the Swedish rape allegations!

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[LaurieJim]

And because he didn't steal the documents but simply released them, he would likely be protected by the Constitution's guarantee of freedom of speech.


He is not from the US so the US Constitution should not cover him as far as im concerned.

He is nothing more than a blackmailer and should turn himself in to the Swedes, clear his name of the Rape charges and seek goverment protection from any of the Euro nations that may want to step in and help protect him.

Its pure blackmail to anyone that reads that article.

Backup plan my ass

Laurie

 

[felicie]

As for the alledged rape charge in Sweden, it's quite bizarre because the chief prosecutor, the director of public prosecution dropped the entire case against him, saying threre was absolutely nothing for him to face, back in September. And then, a few weeks ago, after the intervention of a swedish politician, a new prosecutor began a new case and not in the same jurisdiction as to where the alledge incidents occured?QUOTE]

(sorry I screwed this up but I believe the following was posted by jetset?)
I've been wondering about this, having not seen too much media focus on what I would have thought was a key element in the persecution of Assange.

There doesn't appear to be much desire to examine these allegations more closely, and from what Asianeyes writes it appears that this facet needs more attention if balance and fairness on the hunt for Assange is to be achieved.

To me, Asianeyes's comment suggests that political pressure rather than real justice may be at play here, in the same way that various suppliers of internet services are assisting in hounding Wikileaks off the internet.

The scary thing is, I wouldn't put it past politicians to engineer exactly these scenarios in a vindictive attempt to nail and silence Assange and deflect attention from the content of the Wikileaks disclosures.

I would like to see the media, and the Swedish news services in particular, press the enforcement authorities on the apparent anomalies in the prosecution's approach in this case.

Absolutely jetset and holy hell should be raised if we don't see that happen. I don't see how with all the media and world watching that it would be treated any other way but no form of trickery is very surprising these days unfortunately.

 

[asianeyes]

Quote" On Wednesday, two days before the Paypal assets freeze, Wikileaks editor in chief also stated in a widely reported Forbes cover Story that Wikileaks would expose tens of thousands of files relating to abusive practices in U.S. Financial Institutions".

I am only left to wonder again as to the Timeline? Another coincidence?

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It's a 7 page report on forbes magazine. If the link doesn't work correctly, just type forbes/wikileaks and go to Forbes main page, scroll and you will find the story link to take you to the interview.

As previously stated, i reserve judgement. But i will say, i've followed Wikileaks since it's inception nearly and have viewed countless documents covering so much corruption around the globe.

Look near the top middle of the page for 'continue to the story' to go to the correct page. Sorry.

 

[rockycatt]

Quote" On Wednesday, two days before the Paypal assets freeze, Wikileaks editor in chief also stated in a widely reported Forbes cover Story that Wikileaks would expose tens of thousands of files relating to abusive practices in U.S. Financial Institutions".

I am only left to wonder again as to the Timeline? Another coincidence?

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It's a 7 page report on forbes magazine. If the link doesn't work correctly, just type forbes/wikileaks and go to Forbes main page, scroll and you will find the story link to take you to the interview.

As previously stated, i reserve judgement. But i will say, i've followed Wikileaks since it's inception nearly and have viewed countless documents covering so much corruption around the globe.

Look near the top middle of the page for 'continue to the story' to go to the correct page. Sorry.

oh i agree about the corruptions even in the bible it says 1/2 the saints will be purged s i understand it not to mention the part were it Say's, easy'r to put a camel through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to get gods grace

 

[jetset]

I would recommend that anyone interested in this case, if they have not already done so, follow Nash's links for stories on the rape charges that are aptly described by Assange's lawyers as "surreal".

Clearly it is not a good idea to take any chances whatsoever with the Swedish laws on sexual consent, and the reported comments from the women involved are revealing.

This only strengthens my personal gut feel that Assange is being treated as a very "special" case, probably at the behest of politicians behind the scenes.

That said, I think the threats of uncontrolled releases of masses of new and unscreened material if Assange is killed or taken to court are over the top.

I can understand the need to have some "insurance" when you're labelled as Public Enemy Number One by the political system, but a more subtle approach would sit better with most people, I think. He's trying to protect himself in a frightening scenario by fighting fire with fire, and in the process runs the risk of being characterised as an extortionist imo.

 

[jetset]

Assange has apparently surrendered to the British police. The outcome of this Swedish case on which the warrant was issued (several times) should make for really intereting reading.

 

[felicie]

This is why it was just a bad idea from the beginning. Now he looks like a terrorist blackmailing the whole world with his cult following. It's getting easier and easier to care less what happens to him. I wonder who will play him in the movie.
What the heck was that word his lawyer called Sweden? spittlestate or something?