is it just me or is my tin foil hat picking up a trend here

[spintee]

I had my best day yestoday on mg, small profit but better than a loss, started on betuk than jumped ship to 32red after winning and spending it all on 1st site, Well done (243 lines=daft) on the 5 scatters, I had so many 4s yesterday but could not hit the 5th, its the best I have seen them play in months (I think they switched the switch after seeing a few threads in recent weeks

Lets hope things are changing for us, well at least get your moneys worth,

Happy Spinning

 

[maphesto]

I reread this and I think it wise to add that the text mrmark21 pasted came from a disappointed player and former member here. This might be seen in the text. As I see it, many disappointed players thinks that it was easier to win before, not only because the bonuses were easier to win from due to lower WR and less restrictions, but also from the games.

IIRC this player won a lot and provided screenshots from a slot machine at 32RED, huge wins btw! At some point the machine, according to him, didn't pay as much as before and he didn't trust them anymore. He had lost a less fortune on the machine I think.

This said, when reading articles, you don't know if the writer sees things objectically. Btw, I enjoyed reading this former members posts and he still posts at other forums now and then I think.

Here it is...

Online Casinos Rigged?

Online slot players grow louder echoing similarity of questions, are online casinos rigged?

If you’d asked me this question pre UIGEA (Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act) you’d have received the following reply: - I’ve gambled at numerous Microgaming casino since 1997 and I’m 99.999% Microgaming online casinos are not rigged. Now in December 2010 I’m not so sure.

Yet another casino player posts their discord about lack of game fairness with online casino gambling. Eventually you have to wake up and smell the coffee. Time to Quit Online Casino Gambling. I remember in 2003 Microgaming releasing Thunderstruck, its first 5 reel 9 pay-line free spin bonus slot machine. It was the month MGS also released its casino games platform upgrade from Thumper to Viper.

Microgaming in early 2010 upgraded Viper to wide screen. However many issues followed. With numerous updates to core features, slots players are now wondering if these updates have included the alterting or weighting of slot reels & or their return to player percentages.

NB – All Microgaming casinos had their casino games audited on a monthly basis by PriceWaterhouseCoopers until eCOGRA opened up shop in 2003. From that point forward eCOGRA conducted all MGS casino game audits. It should be noted, eCOGRA was established and funded by Microgaming who even to this day has a Microgaming employee sitting on the eCOGRA Non Executive Board.

Granted I played online casinos a lot back then, maybe my average of hitting 2 complete sets of scattered Thunderstruck rams per month was not everyone’s average hit ratio. But since the UIGEA got dropped into our laps in late 2006, wins like this have been getting far less frequent as each year passes.

Albeit Microgaming has increased its release of bonus slots with free games and bonus feature games. To the point where there are over 250 of the aussie style pokies games available at casinos powered by MGS. Three new slot games per month are now being released on average. More bonus slots, with less people playing due to the UIGEA, means less money per slot machine being dropped.

In layman terms, your chances of winning are decreased. Although the overall RTP (return to player) percentages may be set to 95% for each slot, these may not have changed. However reiterating with less money going into each slot machine the chances of getting a decent win is also decreased.

Microgaming has always claimed their RTP is set in stone. That is, once the games goes live neither the casino operator nor MGS can alter or change the return to player percentage pay-out. However with more and more casino software being brought into contention about less than fair slots game play, one surely has to consider that Microgaming may possibly be tweaking their casino games.

Looking at this from a hypothetical stand point, fact is Microgaming (like most casino software providers) receive royalties or in blunt terms, kick back percentages on all money deposited through each licensees online casino. With the UIGEA profits would have taken a huge decline. It would not seem unreasonable for players to adopt the belief when their slots game play has commenced going South and correlating this back to the commencement of the UIGEA.

I can’t prove either way if Micrgaming casino software or if all online casinos are rigged. However I can say, like so many other players I too used to get a decent run of play time with a $100 deposit. However these days I can drop $1,000US in less than 3 hours and get totally sucked dry, with little or no chance of even peaking over my initial deposit balance. Add this same scenario to mimic other online slot players experiences and maybe it is time to quit online casino gambling.

NB – Unlike land based casinos, online casinos only supply the average pay-out percentage of their combined slot machines each month. In my opinion each Microgaming online casino should supply the RTP on each slot machine.

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[mrmark21]

I reread this and I think it wise to add that the text mrmark21 pasted came from a disappointed player and former member here. This might be seen in the text. As I see it, many disappointed players thinks that it was easier to win before, not only because the bonuses were easier to win from due to lower WR and less restrictions, but also from the games.

IIRC this player won a lot and provided screenshots from a slot machine at 32RED, huge wins btw! At some point the machine, according to him, didn't pay as much as before and he didn't trust them anymore. He had lost a less fortune on the machine I think.

This said, when reading articles, you don't know if the writer sees things objectically. Btw, I enjoyed reading this former members posts and he still posts at other forums now and then I think.

Yes he talks about that in the article...

"I can’t prove either way if Micrgaming casino software or if all online casinos are rigged. However I can say, like so many other players I too used to get a decent run of play time with a $100 deposit. However these days I can drop $1,000US in less than 3 hours and get totally sucked dry, with little or no chance of even peaking over my initial deposit balance. Add this same scenario to mimic other online slot players experiences and maybe it is time to quit online casino gambling'.

Although that doesn't make the information written in the article any less accurate. How about this part...

"All Microgaming casinos had their casino games audited on a monthly basis by PriceWaterhouseCoopers until eCOGRA opened up shop in 2003. From that point forward eCOGRA conducted all MGS casino game audits. It should be noted, eCOGRA was established and funded by Microgaming who even to this day has a Microgaming employee sitting on the eCOGRA Non Executive Board".

TBH after the Betfred incident I've become allot more concerned about the regulators that govern these online casinos. Not just MG but the fact they aren't even independently audited does have me concerned. Or this part...

"Looking at this from a hypothetical stand point, fact is Microgaming (like most casino software providers) receive royalties or in blunt terms, kick back percentages on all money deposited through each licensees online casino. With the UIGEA profits would have taken a huge decline. It would not seem unreasonable for players to adopt the belief when their slots game play has commenced going South and correlating this back to the commencement of the UIGEA".

I understand what your saying that the writer might not be seeing things objectively but his very upfront with his experience. I think his just reporting the facts and at the same time giving his own opinion on his own experience. Those are just my thoughts anyway

 

[jshort]

Not trying to stir things up, but if MG was rigging its games then they'd likely be employing some kind of "accepted norm" that is tolerated in the entire industry. Clearly any rigged software that is employed must be fairly un-noticable, otherwise sites like CM would have found them out years ago.

On a different point, I often wonder why casino sites don't tolerate practises such as "low-risk" wagering while bonuses are being used, as such practises don't actually reduce a "fair" casino's profit in the long run, but only reduces the variance in the short term. For a rigged casino, low-risk wagers such as betting on both Red and Black on roulette would completely ruin any fraudulant software or "take down" switch that tries to lower a players RTP during bonus play. As such from a financial standpoint, only a rigged casino benefits from having this.

Another possible sign for a rigged casino is that they don't allow wagering on Live games while a bonus is in play. Having this rule makes no sense if a casino is "fair", however a rigged software would be useless if a player chose to play live games. Hence this rule only benefits rigged casinos.

 

[spintee]

Not trying to stir things up, but if MG was rigging its games then they'd likely be employing some kind of "accepted norm" that is tolerated in the entire industry. Clearly any rigged software that is employed must be fairly un-noticable, otherwise sites like CM would have found them out years ago.

On a different point, I often wonder why casino sites don't tolerate practises such as "low-risk" wagering while bonuses are being used, as such practises don't actually reduce a "fair" casino's profit in the long run, but only reduces the variance in the short term. For a rigged casino, low-risk wagers such as betting on both Red and Black on roulette would completely ruin any fraudulant software or "take down" switch that tries to lower a players RTP during bonus play. As such from a financial standpoint, only a rigged casino benefits from having this.

Another possible sign for a rigged casino is that they don't allow wagering on Live games while a bonus is in play. Having this rule makes no sense if a casino is "fair", however a rigged software would be useless if a player chose to play live games. Hence this rule only benefits rigged casinos.

I agree, I do not think there rigged but for certain there not random,(Ex) I won near 3 grand of 30p spin (about 10 yrs back) now if I was betting £30 a spin do you think I would of had that x100 £300,000?, & why do casino hold all bars against you when you get a bonus? Its like saying put half a tank in your car and petrol station will give you half of tank free, BUT if you do more than 5 miles a day your cars gona be burned out, or if somebody else gets in the car, Any body can just jump in just like you can mistake pressing a big spin without knowing,

I been playing long enough now to no better but its the gamble we take Im not got much cash so not much to lose, But its not good when you blatantly see machines jumping reels and and near misses

Happy Spinning Peeps

 

[jshort]

& why do casino hold all bars against you when you get a bonus?

Not sure I understand. Could you elaborate?

Regarding large wagers, I know I'm less inclined to follow a Martingale style system online than I am at a land based casino, but this might just be due to bad experiences online vs better ones at land based. I also use to engage the "double-up" feature often even on my bigg(ish) online wins, but when one session had 9 consecutive big losses, I kicked that gameplay strategy out the door .

 

[spintee]

& why do casino hold all bars against you when you get a bonus?

Not sure I understand. Could you elaborate?

Hi, I mean when you take a bonus you are limited, Different casinos have different rules, but for instance, they set you a max bet limit, can not play certain machines,
Also casinos offering a 20% bonus I mean is it worth it and some times they do not even tell you they just add it on, & not only have you got a high wager on it you also got a wager on you deposit also