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[Harry_BKK]

OK guys&girls, i did some some more research and analysis with regards to the statement that the amount of players active on a slot has no influence on the game.

To do this cheaply (without investing my gaming funds) and most reliably i took the Videoslots Free Battles because i can see all results as well as the amount of players.

- VS started with 90 players max./battle
- Increased to 200
- Increase to 500
- I refer to 3 specific battles as those are the ones i play regularly myself:

a. 0415am 250FS Gonzo's Quest Freezeout
b. 1615pm 240FS Twin Spin Winner Takes All (previously 120FS)
c. 1815pm 1000FS Twin Spin (slot varies) Freezeout (previously 500FS)

a.
- starting balance 2000 points - 100 bets @ 20 points
- FS from 1st - 38th place
- average amount of players - 90-100
- average score to qualify for some spins - 2000
- rarely a result of 10,000 points
- average for placing 1st - 6.400 points
- average for placing 38th - 1.800

I score here 9/10 some FS
Today's results: scored 20th & 6FS with 2,441 points, 38th scored a mere 1,500 (low RTP) and still got some FS

b. - 120FS - max. 90 players
- starting balance 2500 points - 100 spins @ 25 points
- FS for 1st place only
- max. amount of players - 90
- average score to place 1st - appr. 7.400
- rarely a result of 10,000 points, very rare actually
- few places at the bottom with very low results

I ended once in 5th place, never top spot

b. - 240 spins - max. 500 players
- starting balance 2500 points - 100 spins @ 25 points
- FS for 1st place only
- max. amount of players - 500
- average score to place 1st - appr. 13.500
- every battle has minimum 1 result >10,000 points, very very often 2 - 3
- average of 50 players at the bottom with an average result of 1250 points or less, RTP50% and lower

I never ended in the top 20, surely never 1st

c.
- starting balance 2000 or 2500 points - 100 bets @ 20 or 25 points, depending on slot
- FS from 1st - 74th place
- average amount of players - 330 -340
- average score to qualify for some spins - 2500 or 3000
- mostly minimum 1 result >10,000 points, very often 2-3
- average for placing 1st - 9.600 points or 10.600
- average for placing 74th - 2.600 or 3.250
- average >60 bottom players with a very low result, RTP 50% and lower.

I ended once in 3rd place, others were 25th - 74th place a few times, very often 100th and below, worst 205th.

If you look at the numbers above it shows clearly that the amount of players HAS an influence on the slot results, on both ends, the top is higher, the bottom is lower on bigger numbers.

- with max. 90 players an average RTP of 90-95% would guarantee me some FS
- with max. 500 players (actual average appr. 340) i need an RTP of 105-108% to score some FS, and that with FS given up to 74th place
- also the top prizes are always real standouts where you would have to score e.g. on TwinSpin at least 2 Full Screens of 10-A's or Full Diamonds + some medium results within those 100 spins.

Would have more to write but that would just complicate things even further. My conclusion is that the amount of players active on a slot has a DIRECT influence on the payout results into both directions, meaning very high RTP and very low RTP.

To conclude on interlogs statement that playing DOA in the mornings gives better playtime and playing in the afternoon at peak time mostly is much worse with taking the above results into account:

- interlog is probably right
- less players giving on average lower peak payouts but you also have a higher chance to hit the peak payouts due to the lower numbers playing the slot
- more players giving on average higher and more peak payouts but with a lower chance of hitting those as well as very poor results at the bottom end, which would explain the very poor sessions in the afternoon.

 

[interlog]

Thanks Harry for taking the time to do this analysis.

I find the same with you with regards the free roll battles. I get better scores (in terms of RTP) when there are fewer players.

Having said all of that, I did last week win the 240 free spins on Twin Spin with a score of 145Euro off a 25Euro start.

I am going to stop playing slots in the afternoon now and stick to early morning sessions where possible. Your analysis backed up what I and others have experienced.

That is not to say that the slots are rigged. It is just that the more players play, the less chance you have of hitting that big win that was going to be given by that slot no matter how many players there are playing it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Thanks Harry for taking the time to do this analysis.

I find the same with you with regards the free roll battles. I get better scores (in terms of RTP) when there are fewer players.

Having said all of that, I did last week win the 240 free spins on Twin Spin with a score of 145Euro off a 25Euro start.

I am going to stop playing slots in the afternoon now and stick to early morning sessions where possible. Your analysis backed up what I and others have experienced.

That is not to say that the slots are rigged. It is just that the more players play, the less chance you have of hitting that big win that was going to be given by that slot no matter how many players there are playing it.

Welcome it is my hobby after all

Luckily i collected the data from those battles i took part in the last 6 weeks otherwise my analysis would not have been possible as you can't narrow down a conclusion from just 1 or 2 battles.

145 from 25 - great result, congrats ..... as i said, with more players in the battle you need an extraordinary result to be in the top place.

I am not saying either that slots are rigged. I just wanted to put the repeated statements that all is truly random irrespective of the amount of active players to bed. It is very clear that a slot will produce massive spikes at both ends when a big amount of players are playing it at the same time.

Hence, i suspect (in now way am i saying this is certain) the software probably is in some way tracking or taking in account the turnover on a slot.

 

[dionysus]

Welcome it is my hobby after all

Luckily i collected the data from those battles i took part in the last 6 weeks otherwise my analysis would not have been possible as you can't narrow down a conclusion from just 1 or 2 battles.

145 from 25 - great result, congrats ..... as i said, with more players in the battle you need an extraordinary result to be in the top place.

I am not saying either that slots are rigged. I just wanted to put the repeated statements that all is truly random irrespective of the amount of active players to bed. It is very clear that a slot will produce massive spikes at both ends when a big amount of players are playing it at the same time.

Hence, i suspect (in now way am i saying this is certain) the software probably is in some way tracking or taking in account the turnover on a slot.

Wellllll,
really, the only thing it puts to bed, is that a larger pool equals a larger spread...it dosnt therefore equate influence.
If I looked at 5 persons from across town what they thought of say, their dinner their wives made last night.
Not much spread of peaks in lows/highs ..let's say 2 liked it, 1 was indifferent, and 2 hated it...there's a 40/20/40 percent return to likes and dislikes.
Now let's ask say 1000 people, I'm going to get more lows and more highs on both ends, or more variance..it could be 40/40/20, 10.80/10...or huge spikes either side. The quality of dinner is STILL random irresptive of the amount of eaters.
If I were betting on 'likes' just by percent, my better bet is the smaller amount of eaters, because less variance. That doesnt mean though that in any way influenced IF they were presented a finer meal.

It doesnt mean the eaters in any way influenced the quality of dinner (slots return) given to them because there were more eaters (players), just that the bigger the pool, the bigger the spread/peaks enter term here.

This doesn't demonstrate to me at all, that the less or more players in any ways influences the slots.

Anyway, I guess the only way is to have casino software designers step in. For me, I'll step out.

 

[hedgehok]

Yes of course a larger amount of players will lead to the fact that the RTP of the pool of players will look roughly like a normal distribution where the peak is at the TRTP of the game.

What you are describing Harry is the result of the characteristic of slots to produce variance with less then infinite spins. So with 100 spins you have let's say 65 players staying below the TRTP and the other 35 players are (partly far) above it. The more spins you make the more it evens out to 50/50, 50% above, 50% belowe the TRTP but you need hundreds of thousands of spins per player.

- with max. 90 players an average RTP of 90-95% would guarantee me some FS
- with max. 500 players (actual average appr. 340) i need an RTP of 105-108% to score some FS, and that with FS given up to 74th place
- also the top prizes are always real standouts where you would have to score e.g. on TwinSpin at least 2 Full Screens of 10-A's or Full Diamonds + some medium results within those 100 spins.

Just imagine you make only a 1 spin tournament. 80% of the players would have ZERO points. A player with a return of 0.2 times bet would thus be top 20%. This characteristic is still statistically measurable in a 100 spins tournament and that is basically what you have observed here.

With 90 players you say 90-95% RTP would give you some free spins (hence at least 38th). As 38th you are better than 1-(38/90) = 57.77% of the players. With this small amount of spins this is very normal. Don't think you have a higher than TRTP only because you are above the median player. This would be the case with infinite spins though (theoretically).

With 340 players (the 500 player battle) you say you need a 105-108% return to get some free spins (hence at least 74th). As 74th you are better than 1-(74/340) = 78,24% of the players. Sure now you need a far higher RTP.

 

[Steviedoo]

Thanks Harry for taking the time to do this analysis.

I find the same with you with regards the free roll battles. I get better scores (in terms of RTP) when there are fewer players.

Having said all of that, I did last week win the 240 free spins on Twin Spin with a score of 145Euro off a 25Euro start.

I am going to stop playing slots in the afternoon now and stick to early morning sessions where possible. Your analysis backed up what I and others have experienced.

That is not to say that the slots are rigged. It is just that the more players play, the less chance you have of hitting that big win that was going to be given by that slot no matter how many players there are playing it.

Ok but your morning is my early early morning and someone else's afternoon and someone else's ' sevening...there are players from all over the world...and so my point is you don't really know when the peak times occur and when to avoid them....

 

[interlog]

Ok but your morning is my early early morning and someone else's afternoon and someone else's ' sevening...there are players from all over the world...and so my point is you don't really know when the peak times occur and when to avoid them....

Not really. With Videoslots the free roll tournaments give you a bit of a clue how many players there are online at that casino. There is a big difference between 4AM and say now. Even busier in the evening.

 

[Steviedoo]

Not really. With Videoslots the free roll tournaments give you a bit of a clue how many players there are online at that casino. There is a big difference between 4AM and say now. Even busier in the evening.

The poster interlog wasn't talking about the tournament...they Were talking about playing slots only in the morning and avoiding the afternoon. So I'm just wondering how do you know when it's peak time....

 

[Harry_BKK]

@ Dyonisus and Hedge

I get what you are saying and fully agree.

My point however is that if a slot is truly and 100% random then

- some of the battles would show more evenly spread results across the board
- some would show the spikes to the top and bottom
- some just spikes to the top and the rest evenly spread
- some just spikes to the bottom and the upper part evenly spread

which has never been the case since VS increased the amount of players. It is always a massive spike at the top and a massive spike at the bottom. After all in total there are just some 34.000 spins played, not really a high number to always produce such big scores.

But the results have been many times evenly spread when there were just max 90. players allowed and also in the morning battles. e.g. the 0415am Gonzo's Freezeout where you rarely have more than 100 players.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The poster interlog wasn't talking about the tournament...they Were talking about playing slots only in the morning and avoiding the afternoon. So I'm just wondering how do you know when it's peak time....

He was referring to the battles as an indicator how busy the casino is.

- 0415am GMT battle Gonzo's Quest 250FS Freezeout - rarely over 100 players taking part
- 18:15pm GMT battle Twin Spin (slot varies) 1000FS Freezeout - always over 300 players

Hence, it is clear that early AM GMT the casino is not very busy, yet the peak times seem to be afternoon and early evening GMT where it is the busiest.

 

[Steviedoo]

He was referring to the battles as an indicator how busy the casino is.

- 0415am GMT battle Gonzo's Quest 250FS Freezeout - rarely over 100 players taking part
- 18:15pm GMT battle Twin Spin (slot varies) 1000FS Freezeout - always over 300 players

Hence, it is clear that early AM GMT the casino is not very busy, yet the peak times seem to be afternoon and early evening GMT where it is the busiest.

To conclude on interlogs statement that playing DOA in the mornings gives better playtime and playing in the afternoon at peak time mostly is much worse with taking the above results into account:

- interlog is probably right
- less players giving on average lower peak payouts but you also have a higher chance to hit the peak payouts due to the lower numbers playing the slot
- more players giving on average higher and more peak payouts but with a lower chance of hitting those as well as very poor results at the bottom end, which would explain the very poor sessions in the afternoon.

sorry maybe i wasn't clear....i am referring to the above as well in previous posts it was mentioned that ppl will play during non peak times to get better results. interlog and harry are talking about doa and slots in general in previous posts in this thread as well as other posters on this forum are talking talking about avoiding peak times...

...so how do i know when its peak time if i'm not playing in the same time zone......when do i know its peak time...

 

[interlog]

sorry maybe i wasn't clear....i am referring to the above as well in previous posts it was mentioned that ppl will play during non peak times to get better results. interlog and harry are talking about doa and slots in general in previous posts in this thread as well as other posters on this forum are talking talking about avoiding peak times...

...so how do i know when its peak time if i'm not playing in the same time zone......when do i know its peak time...

As explained (maybe not properly by me), the battles give an indication how many people are online at Videoslots casino. The more people play the battles, the more people are online. That gives an indication about how busy the casino is. More people participate in the afternoon/evening than the morning.

Take into account that Europe is a very big market and most normal people are in bed between 02:00 and 06:00, so therefore fewer people playing even taking into account that other continents are still awake.

I am not saying there is a science to it. What I am saying is that I get better playtime between 02:00 and 06:00 than I ever do between 2PM and 9PM. Coincidence perhaps? Who knows.

 

[5ta]

I'm not sure why this has turned into a trollery towards myself but I gonna be clear about what I am referring to so that you understand, regardless of anyones opinion on what is apparently determined to be thick enough skin to notice even the weakest of insults, that converts in some apparent worthiness to take part in a virtual conversation.

Random v Rigged.

Random = heads or tails = half the casinos go bust.

Rigged = casinos stay in business.

I also made it clear that I wasn't talking on a per person basis so RTP on a per person basis is irrelevant.

I haven't reported any post but "good decision lol" and "I can't be arsed" were bad attitudes after you inferred "silly" which is a negative. "thicker skinned" and other stuff.... we don't need to go down this road, I just didn't want to support the ability for flames to start flying but of course, the inevitable happened and my response now is sure to encourage more but be wise guys... any form of bullying over opinions isn't conducive of good people so let it fly and focus back on the point.

The online casino is rigged.

Feel free to report my post.... however I didn't throw the first stone and only objected to one being thrown in the first place. We're all human. The world has worryingly forgotten that.

 

[Steviedoo]

The online casino is rigged.

...rigged implies that they are being dishonest...

 

[5ta]

...rigged implies that they are being dishonest...

That's ok, an implication isn't a certification. Like the next person, I've been playing slots for a few decades now and am quite accepting to the fact that 'the house edge' is set on real slots with an overall minimum payout. I never once believed that a machine, old or new, digital or not, is 100% random. I remembered seeing a man who had hit the run on a £25 jackpot machine but he had no idea what he was doing and didn't get the win. On his next spin, the whole thing happened again and as I walked over to help him, he screwed it up again. Next spin, exactly the same thing happened so I said here's how and did it for him... he took 4 jackpots in a row. The code had hit the limit and was being forced by it's own code to pay out. Stating that the thing is rigged can also imply the opposite, that after the alleged 140 trillion spins, the cycle begins again and that once a machine has hit a limit of taking so much cash, it must pay some out.

I've also seen clear evidence of utter con merchants too. They say the technology will not allow less than 70% but when you've spent a solid amount of time as a hustler in one venue and know what is looking ready and what isn't and you watch one of the regulars, throw £140 wages into a £5 jackpot machine to see him utterly pissed off on his last couple of quid to finally get the big feature and only win £5 followed by no run (that maxes £35-40 every 1-3 months) and take the rest of his money, somethings definitely fishy. You see £25 jackpot machines that run double triple and quadruple jackpots and once in 5 years, run a double quad run £30 apart, while at other times suck £600 without paying more than £10 in £100, you indeed feel like the industry is not only fixed but full of ish.

Then comes the who online £500 jackpots in quicksilver, shipleys and so on and the word "random" is thrown about. Unfortunately, to totally screw up the random theory, half of the quicksilvers, shipleys and so on, haven't gone bust.



With all that said, I wasn't actually implying deceit when I said they are rigged..... casinos/arcades can't risk a status as never paying because we'd all eventually cotton on. Maybe they can and or do take the piss today... but they are rigged.

Of course, that news may not be popular around here if there are casino shills who wouldn't want the community to hear such things but I'm sure the roots of CM are happy with the notion of freedom of speech and hasn't sold out.

 

[Jd666]

That's ok, an implication isn't a certification. Like the next person, I've been playing slots for a few decades now and am quite accepting to the fact that 'the house edge' is set on real slots with an overall minimum payout. I never once believed that a machine, old or new, digital or not, is 100% random. I remembered seeing a man who had hit the run on a £25 jackpot machine but he had no idea what he was doing and didn't get the win. On his next spin, the whole thing happened again and as I walked over to help him, he screwed it up again. Next spin, exactly the same thing happened so I said here's how and did it for him... he took 4 jackpots in a row. The code had hit the limit and was being forced by it's own code to pay out. Stating that the thing is rigged can also imply the opposite, that after the alleged 140 trillion spins, the cycle begins again and that once a machine has hit a limit of taking so much cash, it must pay some out.

I've also seen clear evidence of utter con merchants too. They say the technology will not allow less than 70% but when you've spent a solid amount of time as a hustler in one venue and know what is looking ready and what isn't and you watch one of the regulars, throw £140 wages into a £5 jackpot machine to see him utterly pissed off on his last couple of quid to finally get the big feature and only win £5 followed by no run (that maxes £35-40 every 1-3 months) and take the rest of his money, somethings definitely fishy. You see £25 jackpot machines that run double triple and quadruple jackpots and once in 5 years, run a double quad run £30 apart, while at other times suck £600 without paying more than £10 in £100, you indeed feel like the industry is not only fixed but full of ish.

Then comes the who online £500 jackpots in quicksilver, shipleys and so on and the word "random" is thrown about. Unfortunately, to totally screw up the random theory, half of the quicksilvers, shipleys and so on, haven't gone bust.

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With all that said, I wasn't actually implying deceit when I said they are rigged..... casinos/arcades can't risk a status as never paying because we'd all eventually cotton on. Maybe they can and or do take the piss today... but they are rigged.

Of course, that news may not be popular around here if there are casino shills who wouldn't want the community to hear such things but I'm sure the roots of CM are happy with the notion of freedom of speech and hasn't sold out.

That machine isnt rigged.
Its compensated, and it doesnt hide the fact.

Some people make a living out of these machines.

Noel Edmonds certainly does... The bearded nobhead

 

[5ta]

I don't understand, rigged, compensated, programmed with a percentage guarantee in favour of the casino/arcade and of course, the copyright if they indeed take part of any turnover (I have no idea that far in)... you've contradicted me by agreeing lol

 

[Jd666]

I don't understand, rigged, compensated, programmed with a percentage guarantee in favour of the casino/arcade and of course, the copyright if they indeed take part of any turnover (I have no idea that far in)... you've contradicted me by agreeing lol

Sorry but rigged means to me that something underhand is going on.
It advertises that it could pay as low as 70%
Just like most casinos advertise RTP.

People know what to expect playing UK AWP'S, if they do brains then its down to them.

If someone has just got the mega streak on a £70 DOND and it does the £210 run and you go on afterwards without knowing, than more than likely its going to just eat your money unless there is a bit of afters.

Then when your £50 and you have had 3 boards and not got a win higher than 2 or 3 quid, yes you are going to think its rigged.

But its just clawing its money back to try get it down to percentage.

Thats compensated not rigged.

Years ago i put £90 in a Barcrest Lotta Luck £15 Jackpot before i won a £15, i had no idea something was on it.
I thought what a rigged piece of shit, but when i found out someone had emptied it earlier, i thought make no wonder it robbed me

 

[maxd]

I'm not sure why this has turned into a trollery towards myself ...

Again,

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In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.

I haven't seen anywhere in this thread that someone has been "posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages" to you or anyone else.

No offence intended but you seem to have a habit of assigning your own meaning to words that most of us agree mean something else entirely. You look at a game with a house edge and call it "rigged". That's not what "rigged" means! To "rig" means "to engage in cheating during a game, election, etc." For example "vote rigging" means "illegally interfering in the counting of votes in an election".

House edge is a part of the basic structure of any game of chance and in no way means the same thing as "rigged". Said game of chance may be "rigged" by someone for nefarius reasons or it may be unmolested and play completely fairly. In other words whether the game is "rigged" or not has nothing whatever to do with it being a game of chance. Someone may "rig" the results of emission tests on your car, that doesn't mean that emission testing is by it's very nature "rigged". All it means is that someone specifically "rigged" your emissions test: they cheated in that specific instance of running the test.

I haven't reported any post but "good decision lol" and "I can't be arsed" were bad attitudes ...

You would have been misguided if you had reported them because there's nothing to report. I won't speak for others but when I said "I can't be arsed to read the rest of the thread" I was simply being blunt and specific: I was responding to what you had said in that particular post, not the thread in general.

Disagreeing with you, correcting your word usage, and/or pointing out that your posts are ... let's say "in error" is not a "bad attitude". It may be inconvenient, possibly even upsetting for you, but that doesn't make it a "bad attitude".

... any form of bullying over opinions isn't conducive of good people ...

Disagreeing is not "bullying". Correcting your word usage is not "bullying". One more time,

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Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others.

Your assumption that you can make these words mean what you want them to mean is misguided and, frankly, a bit annoying. If someone corrects your word usage you might want to look up the word: if they're right then you've learned something, if they're wrong then say so. Endlessly defending your own preconceptions is an excellent recipe for prolonged ignorance.

 

[Jono777]

Little contribution, ready to be beheaded if needs be....

ALL forms of gambling are 'rigged' HOWEVER rigged is totally the wrong word.

Any punter/gambler with even a small knowledge of the subject matter that they are gambling on KNOW that the house has the edge, after all that is why they exist, why they are in business, why they promote their product etc etc etc.

Be it a casino online or land based, your local bookies or bingo hall, the amusement arcade in your local town and the fruity sat in the corner of your local. All of these are businesses there to make money for the owners (sorry for stating the obvious in parts but sometimes it is needed lol)

Lets take 'rigged' and turn it into a more appropriate description.

Gamblers should know that they are 'up against it' from the start, house edge, compensated slots, RTP which is not 100%, reduced odds in bookies, 35-1 on roulette from 37 numbers etc.

My advice is that if you cannot 'handle' this then it is best not to gamble at all. It is all about 'beating the house' not screaming 'fix' every time we lose.

** Crash Helmet on **

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Mark informed me they had performed some techy stuff at 32Red so gave it another go this morning, things do seem a lot better, though things got a little laggy later on though nothing by comparison to the way it was the other night.

And I even managed a £500 withdrawal which will enable me to re-buy my bike which some thieving scrote stole last week.

Grateful for small mercies and all that, cheers 32Red.

 

[Jono777]

^^ Nice one congrats^^ and good to see you posting also

I had a bike (Mountain) nicked years and years ago but It was a nice model which I'd saved for months for, never did replace or catch the bar steward!

I'm heading their way later for a bit of a blast on their new slots with the £50 fun4all kindly nominated me for to try and win a few quid for CM members.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-and-lockinlove-help-me-choose.72080/?t=72080

Good to have a risk free punt once in a while

WTG on your cash out

 

[trickster]

I haven't noticed those glitches, so far, but again I don't play slots that much...have you asked them through their customer-support chats?

 

[5ta]

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I haven't seen anywhere in this thread that someone has been "posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages" to you or anyone else.

No offence intended but you seem to have a habit of assigning your own meaning to words that most of us agree mean something else entirely. You look at a game with a house edge and call it "rigged". That's not what "rigged" means! To "rig" means "to engage in cheating during a game, election, etc." For example "vote rigging" means "illegally interfering in the counting of votes in an election".

House edge is a part of the basic structure of any game of chance and in no way means the same thing as "rigged". Said game of chance may be "rigged" by someone for nefarius reasons or it may be unmolested and play completely fairly. In other words whether the game is "rigged" or not has nothing whatever to do with it being a game of chance. Someone may "rig" the results of emission tests on your car, that doesn't mean that emission testing is by it's very nature "rigged". All it means is that someone specifically "rigged" your emissions test: they cheated in that specific instance of running the test.



You would have been misguided if you had reported them because there's nothing to report. I won't speak for others but when I said "I can't be arsed to read the rest of the thread" I was simply being blunt and specific: I was responding to what you had said in that particular post, not the thread in general.

Disagreeing with you, correcting your word usage, and/or pointing out that your posts are ... let's say "in error" is not a "bad attitude". It may be inconvenient, possibly even upsetting for you, but that doesn't make it a "bad attitude".



Disagreeing is not "bullying". Correcting your word usage is not "bullying". One more time,

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Your assumption that you can make these words mean what you want them to mean is misguided and, frankly, a bit annoying. If someone corrects your word usage you might want to look up the word: if they're right then you've learned something, if they're wrong then say so. Endlessly defending your own preconceptions is an excellent recipe for prolonged ignorance.

I would sit and argue the whole thing... but

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tells me I would lose no matter how this got on the wrong footing over the meaning of "rigged" so I'll just wish everyone peace and walk away.

#note a negative can be -140trillion or -0.0001

 

[maxd]

I would sit and argue the whole thing...

Since there's nothing to actually debate here -- English words have meanings, conveniently defined in a fat book called a "dictionary", and are not generally left blank for the user to fill in whatever thoughts happen to suit them -- then yes, dropping it is probably wise, although your reasons for doing so are, again, misguided.