is it just me or is my tin foil hat picking up a trend here

[jshort]

Why?

All casino's are in the business of taking your money - they are pretty open and honest about it.

Why not just submit the 'fair' one that guarantees they get to keep between 2-9% of all the money that people throw into the casino?

Millions and millions of pounds.

You lot are bonkers!

I take it then that audits aren't randomly done without notifying the casino?

 

[jshort]

Thank you Slotster! You said it far better than I

I had given up on this thread

Why?

 

[Dinahnana]

Why? Is it CM policy to ignore anyone who questions the integrity of online gambling?

Of course the CM community are the first to cry foul if something was amiss. Having said that there is usually some proof (extensive testing by players etc) before the alarm is sounded. Until you have some stats to back up the lack of integrity all you have is conjecture. I know Jshort you are just asking questions which is good and you are talking hypothetically (at least I think you are).

 

[Dinahnana]

Why?

Because you have your opinion which is your right however I don't think anything I could say will convince you for the most part online gaming is not rigged. Of course that is just my opinion

 

[randomiam]

thanks for you input everyone

Cheers guys for you posts and to all those who care to read this i am sitting in my world war one bunker with my tin food tin foil and tin guns waiting for the zombies to come just to make me seem more crazy some of you guys seem to love that. My thread was to see how common bad and good runs can be over a large group of people and i have received that

 

[Dinahnana]

Cheers guys for you posts and to all those who care to read this i am sitting in my world war one bunker with my tin food tin foil and tin guns waiting for the zombies to come just to make me seem more crazy some of you guys seem to love that. My thread was to see how common bad and good runs can be over a large group of people and i have received that

Those zombies are killers!

 

[jshort]

Because you have your opinion which is your right however I don't think anything I could say will convince you for the most part online gaming is not rigged. Of course that is just my opinion

Fair enough, but I'd still value your input

I'm not as skeptical with regards to MG, though its still a question mark in my mind and I play MG games a lot, so I like to ask the sensitive questions.

Ps: I had deleted the question after my "Why" comment but you were too quick for me!

 

[Dinahnana]

Fair enough, but I'd still value your input

I'm not as skeptical with regards to MG, though its still a question mark in my mind and I play MG games a lot, so I like to ask the sensitive questions.

Ps: I had deleted the question after my "Why" comment but you were too quick for me!

I can be fast sometimes

 

[brianmon]

I think the biggest problem at the moment is the technical performance of most sites. With the amount of lag, errors and disconnections, it's easy for anyone to get paranoid about things.
Although I'm not getting paranoid about it. I can say that I've never managed to make a profit on a site when the lag is really bad

I've just played at superlenny, the lag was horrendous and my RTP on TSII for the session was 72.6%
One bonus round after 260 spins, second bonus round after another 320 spins (both paid around 12x stake) and i never got to a third bonus round, I was up to 365 spins when my balance hit zero.

And it's not just the browser-based sites which are lagging. i was getting lag the other night at a downloaded casino, and also a very low RTP.

If I was a new customer/novice player I'd be giving up online gambling. Although I won't be depositing again at superlenny

 

[mrmark21]

I think the biggest problem at the moment is the technical performance of most sites. With the amount of lag, errors and disconnections, it's easy for anyone to get paranoid about things.
Although I'm not getting paranoid about it. I can say that I've never managed to make a profit on a site when the lag is really bad

I've just played at superlenny, the lag was horrendous and my RTP on TSII for the session was 72.6%
One bonus round after 260 spins, second bonus round after another 320 spins (both paid around 12x stake) and i never got to a third bonus round, I was up to 365 spins when my balance hit zero.

And it's not just the browser-based sites which are lagging. i was getting lag the other night at a downloaded casino, and also a very low RTP.

If I was a new customer/novice player I'd be giving up online gambling. Although I won't be depositing again at superlenny

I noticed the feature seems particularly impossible to hit when there's allot of lag. Maybe it just feels like that because the spins are taking extra long to play out or maybe it's a watered down version with less wins making it easier for the server to handle. Probably most likely in my head but as you said it does feel that way.

I never played on the MG slots at Super Lenny. Maybe that's where your going wrong? You could perhaps give some of their other softwares a shot I've had tons of luck on the Pay N Go slots at just about every casino.

 

[Nifty29]

I noticed the feature seems particularly impossible to hit when there's allot of lag. Maybe it just feels like that because the spins are taking extra long to play out or maybe it's a watered down version with less wins making it easier for the server to handle. Probably most likely in my head but as you said it does feel that way.

I never played on the MG slots at Super Lenny. Maybe that's where your going wrong? You could perhaps give some of their other softwares a shot I've had tons of luck on the Pay N Go slots at just about every casino.

Come on mark.

If you REALLY believe all this, then you should never ever play an electronic gaming machine on or offline EVER. If you DO, then it speaks volumes about how confident you are about your own theories.

All "lag" means is that there is a delay in signals being passed from client to server. The content of those signals is completely unrelated and unaffected i.e. losing spins would be just as subject to lag as winning ones.

 

[mrmark21]

Come on mark.

If you REALLY believe all this, then you should never ever play an electronic gaming machine on or offline EVER. If you DO, then it speaks volumes about how confident you are about your own theories.

All "lag" means is that there is a delay in signals being passed from client to server. The content of those signals is completely unrelated and unaffected i.e. losing spins would be just as subject to lag as winning ones.

Lol!? That's probably the reason I said it's most likely in my head

But why wouldn't I play a gaming machine offline? Those are heavily regulated.

BTW if the Betfred/Speilo fiasco was anything go off then I'd rather stick to the heavily regulated offline gaming machines.

 

[243 lines=daft]

My own perception of Microgaming slots is also that they are playing differently now to this time last year.

2-3 years ago I started to believe the games were accented towards big wins for excitement purposes.
This theory actually suited my style of playing and that's why I have subsequently played Microgaming more than any other provider.

An example of what I mean is in 9-line Thunderstruck and the clones like Spring Break etc. I would see top symbol lines come in, and often in free spins (tripling the already big payout) but would more rarely see mid table five of a kinds (and much more rarely in FS).

Particularly in the final year of the Ladbrokes Microgaming casino I found this perception held up and worked for me.
A specific example is that I hit the top symbol with wilds in free spins (paying a pleasing 643x total stake) a total of five times early last year (three times in four weeks) but during the same period hit only two lesser paying five of a kinds in free spins.

I'm not seeing this at all on any Microgaming casino I use in 2014 and my feeling is that there may have been a change splitting the results more evenly between symbols?
It's entirely possible I have had an unusually tilted experience over several years (based on the accepted freakish possibilities of randomness), so would be interested if anyone else playing these games has perceived things similarly.

 

[dunover]

My own perception of Microgaming slots is also that they are playing differently now to this time last year.

2-3 years ago I started to believe the games were accented towards big wins for excitement purposes.
This theory actually suited my style of playing and that's why I have subsequently played Microgaming more than any other provider.

An example of what I mean is in 9-line Thunderstruck and the clones like Spring Break etc. I would see top symbol lines come in, and often in free spins (tripling the already big payout) but would more rarely see mid table five of a kinds (and much more rarely in FS).

Particularly in the final year of the Ladbrokes Microgaming casino I found this perception held up and worked for me.
A specific example is that I hit the top symbol with wilds in free spins (paying a pleasing 643x total stake) a total of five times early last year (three times in four weeks) but during the same period hit only two lesser paying five of a kinds in free spins.

I'm not seeing this at all on any Microgaming casino I use in 2014 and my feeling is that there may have been a change splitting the results more evenly between symbols?It's entirely possible I have had an unusually tilted experience over several years (based on the accepted freakish possibilities of randomness), so would be interested if anyone else playing these games has perceived things similarly.

This would only occur if the reel maps had been changed. They haven't. Foil Hat (de luxe version) in the post....

 

[brianmon]

I noticed a difference in the slots i regularly play, straight after Avalon II went live earlier this year.

A thought i had was that maybe they had to change the output range of the RNG or something. since Avalon II seems to have more symbols per reel than any previous slots, and this has somehow changed the gameplay of other slots. which would interpret/modify the number produced from this RNG to produce a 'spin' result

I say 'The' RNG, since MG's website insinuates that there is one 'master' RNG for all their games

"The kernel responsible for our entire gaming logic is known as an RNG (Random Number Generator). Our RNG was set more than a decade ago, and over the years it has been checked and approved by the leading accredited testing agencies. Responsible for all gaming logic"

 

[dunover]

I noticed a difference in the slots i regularly play, straight after Avalon II went live earlier this year.

A thought i had was that maybe they had to change the output range of the RNG or something. since Avalon II seems to have more symbols per reel than any previous slots, and this has somehow changed the gameplay of other slots. which would interpret/modify the number produced from this RNG to produce a 'spin' result

I say 'The' RNG, since MG's website insinuates that there is one 'master' RNG for all their games

"The kernel responsible for our entire gaming logic is known as an RNG (Random Number Generator). Our RNG was set more than a decade ago, and over the years it has been checked and approved by the leading accredited testing agencies. Responsible for all gaming logic"

Yes, indeed - I've always felt that myself, good to see it in words. I and others have noticed that when you're on the up-curve you're on it for all games you play (bar AWP's) and similarly when on the down-curve.

 

[243 lines=daft]

I feel that noticing something is different about slots that you play a lot and pointing it out on here can be like noticing a passing bus has egg dripping down the window.

Someone might come up to you and say 'there can't be egg dripping down the window because the buses still have their windows checked regularly'
Is that going to change your mind or do you still feel confident in what you've perceived with you own experience?

I played about 4 intense hours of 9-liners on 32 Red last night (and yay got a nice bunch of wins and cashed in).
Based on what I'm experiencing these slots are basically playing differently from this time last year.
I see egg!

 

[dunover]

I feel that noticing something is different about slots that you play a lot and pointing it out on here can be like noticing a passing bus has egg dripping down the window.

Someone might come up to you and say 'there can't be egg dripping down the window because the buses still have their windows checked regularly'
Is that going to change your mind or do you still feel confident in what you've perceived with you own experience?

I played about 4 intense hours of 9-liners on 32 Red last night (and yay got a nice bunch of wins and cashed in).
Based on what I'm experiencing these slots are basically playing differently from this time last year.
I see egg!

I see a lot of glinting from all that foil.........

 

[gagamel]

I feel that noticing something is different about slots that you play a lot and pointing it out on here can be like noticing a passing bus has egg dripping down the window.

Someone might come up to you and say 'there can't be egg dripping down the window because the buses still have their windows checked regularly'
Is that going to change your mind or do you still feel confident in what you've perceived with you own experience?

I played about 4 intense hours of 9-liners on 32 Red last night (and yay got a nice bunch of wins and cashed in).
Based on what I'm experiencing these slots are basically playing differently from this time last year. I see egg!

I don`t see a difference between 2013, 2014 or for example 20010.
I depost, I spin, I lose
Just a few big hits with TS and TS2, that`s all.
But I don`t play too much MG slots and I can`t see the up and downs or any difference.
In my opinion there are two modes in slot playing:

Normal mode: you lose
Winning mode: you win/lose and sometimes you can make a (big) profit. Winning mode can last for weeks. I know it because I have such unbelievable long winning streaks too.

But in the end the streak will go by and you lose. If you are unlucky you lose your winnings and more and you are frustrated.

The players imagination that there is something different during Normal Mode (losing) and Winning Mode is solety because a lot of players have a distorted perception on their own gameplay (including myself sometimes)

No offence to anyone here, just my thoughts

 

[mrmark21]

Does anyone actually have any evidence for or against? I'm open minded. I like to see evidence and I'm not one to just place all my faith in a bunch of hearsay. I'd love to see some evidence that the slots haven't changed or some that they have. Some evidence that the games aren't/are compensated, weighted, or controlled...

Could the software developer provide us with some evidence (I've never seen any) or aren't they willing to provide this information to the people that play their games? I know the reason players aren't able to offer up any evidence - Don't you need a ridiculous amount of spins to be passed as a large enough sample? Remember it's a natural human instinct to question things.

Without evidence there are no answers. So some members can carry on belittling other members because it makes them feel superior or accept that they don't know any more than the next person (as in they have no authority). Please by all means if you do know more then share your hidden knowledge with the rest of us? I'm sure we would all love to know so that we can finally put this thread and these questions to rest.

I agree with Nifty and co that if your having a run of bad luck or questioning the randomness of the games then you should stop playing. I did, I think it was one of the best decisions during my online gambling career

 

[dunover]

Does anyone actually have any evidence for or against? I'm open minded. I like to see evidence and I'm not one to just place all my faith in a bunch of hearsay. I'd love to see some evidence that the slots haven't changed or some that they have. Some evidence that the games aren't/are compensated, weighted, or controlled...

Could the software developer provide us with some evidence (I've never seen any) or aren't they willing to provide this information to the people that play their games? I know the reason players aren't able to offer up any evidence - Don't you need a ridiculous amount of spins to be passed as a large enough sample? Remember it's a natural human instinct to question things.

Without evidence there are no answers. So some members can carry on belittling other members because it makes them feel superior or accept that they don't know any more than the next person (as in they have no authority). Please by all means if you do know more then share your hidden knowledge with the rest of us? I'm sure we would all love to know so that we can finally put this thread and these questions to rest.

I agree with Nifty and co that if your having a run of bad luck or questioning the randomness of the games then you should stop playing. I did, I think it was one of the best decisions during my online gambling career

I think your best answer here and more definitive than our opinions, is in the data provided by kktmd where he played many of the games over a million spins and they were bang-on the advertised TRTP. His tables show large wins and the spread and frequency of features. Let's say you had his million spins' results in front of you, you could pick a starting point at a certain spin and say take 1500 from there and only get a 30% RTP for that 1500 spin-block and one or no features.
Pick another point and do the same but this time choosing a good sequence, and you could show 400% RTP for your 1500 spins including many features and big wins.

As we all know RANDOMNESS PRODUCES CURVES!
It's never steady where there are many permutations and outcomes possible, and I know it sounds clichéd now, but your luck and returns all depend where you are on the curve. You guys have had downturns, but I also wager you've experienced upturns a few time and all...........

 

[gagamel]

Does anyone actually have any evidence for or against? I'm open minded. I like to see evidence and I'm not one to just place all my faith in a bunch of hearsay. I'd love to see some evidence that the slots haven't changed or some that they have. Some evidence that the games aren't/are compensated, weighted, or controlled...

Could the software developer provide us with some evidence (I've never seen any) or aren't they willing to provide this information to the people that play their games? I know the reason players aren't able to offer up any evidence - Don't you need a ridiculous amount of spins to be passed as a large enough sample? Remember it's a natural human instinct to question things.

Without evidence there are no answers. So some members can carry on belittling other members because it makes them feel superior or accept that they don't know any more than the next person (as in they have no authority). Please by all means if you do know more then share your hidden knowledge with the rest of us? I'm sure we would all love to know so that we can finally put this thread and these questions to rest.

I agree with Nifty and co that if your having a run of bad luck or questioning the randomness of the games then you should stop playing. I did, I think it was one of the best decisions during my online gambling career

kktmd made more than one million spins on some MG slots, you can find the results here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/your-help-on-these-observations.58091/

I makes no sense to control or change a slot with an RTP of 96% when the slot is clearly paying 96%.

Sorry, dunover was quicker

 

[mrmark21]

Now that's what I'm talking about Wow! That's exactly what I was looking for as well. Now I don't know what to think I've been asking for evidence for ages and that's all I needed. Their slots just seemed so tight. I just always thought there had to be some sort of control in there or maybe the slots were compensated. But my results have been SOOOOO bad! But that's evidence right there.

Well that changes everything I thought I knew about MG. Hmmm I'm not going to play MG any time soon but that certainly answers my question. Thanks

 

[brianmon]

I would assume kktmd was spinning in freeplay/fun mode.
So you would have to assume that play would be EXACTLY the same in real play.
and considering what seems to be coming to light about PT slots real vs fun mode....

and if you read through the thread

BTW: I'm still not convinced that Freeplay behaves like Real play, so take this data with a grain of salt.

 

[mrmark21]

I would assume kktmd was spinning in freeplay/fun mode.
So you would have to assume that play would be EXACTLY the same in real play.
and considering what seems to be coming to light about PT slots real vs fun mode....

Wait, what? That's not evidence if the spins weren't on real play. I don't believe for one second that the slots play the same on fun mode as they do real mode. I've seen it myself on Netent (I actually like this software) and PT.

Does it need to be so hard to find evidence? Can't MG just release evidence that would put all players minds at ease.