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is it just me or is my tin foil hat picking up a trend here
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Did the feature return much of anything?
The feature probably paid 2xbet and therefore he now can't respond, he smashed the PC.
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Actually, it is not. It is almost painful to try to read what appears to be a run-on sentence.
Nine times out of ten, I will just skip it.
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I believe goatwacks statement we have to understand as an sarcastic one
Yes, I figured it too.... just wanted to re-enforce the thought.
Many posters are guilty of this and I can't help wondering, sometimes, if they might get better responses had their posts been readable.
I sometimes post/whine my shit runs here on CM as well, so I can relate
I'm currently with the majority, in that I feel your probably just misinterpreting a bad run. However even if your results were meaningful, their too difficult for most to analyze. How many spins does one need on average to activate the free spins on Thunderstruck II anyway etc??? Asking other players if they've had bad runs doesn't really mean anything either.
With that said, gambling online as a whole is a risk everyone has to accept (and not just for MG). It's unregulated and the financial motivation to rigg ones software is clearly there (despite what anyone on CM might tell you). It's a risk every player has to accept when they choose to gamgle online!
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The slots have always been the same. About 1.5 years ago I played on 32red. Probably close to 100,000 spins on various games and never won anything worth talking about. Not even a 100x bet ever. I thought something was very off. I closed my account for good and never went back.
However, I have account on jackpot city and ladbrokes won $960 on one and a couple hundred on the other. This wasnt just two nice wins and thats all. I have had numerous decent wins for my betting size on MG software.
Even though I had a very odd cold run on 32red, I have come to the conclusion I must not have been at the right place at the right time.
I have had sessions on jackpot city where I went through $200 in under 2 hours only betting 60 cents.
Most times you lose, sometimes you win.
Welcome to the world of slots.
However, I have account on jackpot city and ladbrokes won $960 on one and a couple hundred on the other. This wasnt just two nice wins and thats all. I have had numerous decent wins for my betting size on MG software.
Even though I had a very odd cold run on 32red, I have come to the conclusion I must not have been at the right place at the right time.
I have had sessions on jackpot city where I went through $200 in under 2 hours only betting 60 cents.
Most times you lose, sometimes you win.
Welcome to the world of slots.
Lol, maybe someone won a big jackpot at 32Red and they needed to put their RNG on shit mode for awhile
Seriously, I could throw some guess'd odds at you; Assuming a > x100 bet has a 1/10,000 chance of hitting on the games you played, you had a (9999/10000)^100,000 = 0.004% outcome! FYI; A few games won't pay over x100 unless you really get the Jackpot. On the video poker game JoB, none of the hands except for a royal flush pays over x100. The odds of a royal are 1/40,000.........(39,999 / 40,000)^100,000 = 8.2%, still shitty luck but not unrealistic!
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I sometimes post/whine my shit runs here on CM as well, so I can relate
I'm currently with the majority, in that I feel your probably just misinterpreting a bad run. However even if your results were meaningful, their too difficult for most to analyze. How many spins does one need on average to activate the free spins on Thunderstruck II anyway etc??? Asking other players if they've had bad runs doesn't really mean anything either.
With that said, gambling online as a whole is a risk everyone has to accept (and not just for MG). It's unregulated and the financial motivation to rigg ones software is clearly there (despite what anyone on CM might tell you). It's a risk every player has to accept when they choose to gamgle online!
CM probably has the most well informed and smartest slots players in the world IMHO. Trust me if the games were rigged the alarm would have been raised ages ago. Most of the software providers are beyond reproach.
WMS and IGT both have a presence in land based casinos and online. Microgaming is a solid company and if it rigged slots, it would have gone out of business long ago. BTW I have had some bad runs and some great runs on Thunderstruck II. Sometimes I hit features every 100 spins sometimes I don't hit one for 1000.
I'm not making a statement about CM, just the business of online gambling in general.
I have no doubt your more well informed than I am osulle. I've only been on the scene since January 2014, however I have followed other businesses such as professional cycling and your a big follower of Politics. We both know what people are like when big money is involved and opportunity is present! Certainly you and I can both agree that online gambling meets both of these criteria?
The accredited casino are more trustworthy. CM does a great job and players are much better off with it, but it still doesn't change the above realities!
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I agree there is quite a lot of dishonesty in business and politics. I think that in the online gambling arena there is more chance for corruption in the casinos themselves rather than the software. When I say corruption, I mean using stalling tactics for paying players and invoking vague terms and conditions. These casinos end up in the pit. A few bad apples in the industry over the years have muddied the waters somewhat. The fact is that there are many well run honest casinos in the business.
Software companies have no incentive to rig the games because they already have a house edge built into the RTP. The old adage the house always wins is apropos here.
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The part in bold is by far more common I agree.
The software companies will have an incentive to rigg their software if the casino offers to pay them though. How much this happens is the big question, but it does happen. See; Old / Expired Link
The part in bold is by far more common I agree.
The software companies will have an incentive to rigg their software if the casino offers to pay them though. How much this happens is the big question, but it does happen. See; Old / Expired Link
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As you know, I think, I love to play at Playtech casinos, even if, I can say I play very little now.
In the last times I've noticed that free spins give very ridiculous win even if you play high bet.
So I tried a couple of MG, always at slots with free spin,waiting for those...
Last experience: Tally Ho 15 free, 18 bet, balance zero.
I'm sure this is the result of too many slots. Number of players is the same, afaik, RTP too,hope, but money are spread
Am I wrong?
So the question is: are money shared equally enough, or daily concentrated only for some slots?
I cannot explain better what I mean.
In the last times I've noticed that free spins give very ridiculous win even if you play high bet.
So I tried a couple of MG, always at slots with free spin,waiting for those...
Last experience: Tally Ho 15 free, 18 bet, balance zero.
I'm sure this is the result of too many slots. Number of players is the same, afaik, RTP too,hope, but money are spread
Am I wrong?
So the question is: are money shared equally enough, or daily concentrated only for some slots?
I cannot explain better what I mean.
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My favorite part of the article was this:
One of the greatest sources of security and safety are the players themselves. Every instance I know of a casino software company having their products exposed as rogue in the last few years has been initiated from a player complaint. Complaints by players may be taken lightly by the gaming community without significant evidence to back up their claims. Players who suspect rogue behavior need to keep careful records and be prepared to take proactive steps to back up their case. It is important that players continue to bring their issues forward through established portals, like Casinomeister, thePogg and Wizardofvegas.
There was a thread here on this so you might find some useful info:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/crooks-in-the-online-casino-industry.60549/
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Hi Temperance you are probably on a bad run. Sometimes we win but most of the time we lose. That is the nature of gambling especially slots. I too am having a bad run so I have cut way down on my playing. Sometimes taking a break is a good thing.
I am not a fan of Playtech because I find the slots to be too high variance for me. You would need a good bankroll to get a good session out of them.
Hopefully our luck will change soon
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Osulle, I was trying to give my opinion about. I didn't talk about luck,even if I strongly believe there are lucky/unlucky periods.
But I'd like to ear some about my theory.
But I'd like to ear some about my theory.
Osulle, I was trying to give my opinion about. I didn't talk about luck,even if I strongly believe there are lucky/unlucky periods.
But I'd like to ear some about my theory.
Sorry I don't understand what you said.
I'm really enjoying reading peoples opinions both for and against. I think we should bear in mind that we aren't the software provider so we can't possibly begin to understand how the software works. Opinions are just speculation (mine as well). The games could have changed or they could have stayed the same. But without any kind of proof no one can say for sure...
I'm going to need some clear cut solid evidence and not just hearsay. I want to know why MG hasn't released some evidence? After all this would stop players from thinking the worst and put their minds at ease. But apparently there is no evidence and I really have to wonder why especially since releasing evidence would help put players minds to ease and this of course would increase turn over for MG.
I've never seen their certificate for the RNG on their slots. I've seen it for just about every other software provider. I'm a person that likes to see facts and right now all I'm seeing is a bunch of hearsay I mean that's okay but you can't just take something on board as fact when there's money to be made and to do so would be just a tad bit naive.
I'm open to either side of the discussion but I wan't to see proof before I'm just willy nilly going to just decide straight off the bat that online casino gaming software would not cheat. The temptation is just far to great.
I'm going to need some clear cut solid evidence and not just hearsay. I want to know why MG hasn't released some evidence? After all this would stop players from thinking the worst and put their minds at ease. But apparently there is no evidence and I really have to wonder why especially since releasing evidence would help put players minds to ease and this of course would increase turn over for MG.
I've never seen their certificate for the RNG on their slots. I've seen it for just about every other software provider. I'm a person that likes to see facts and right now all I'm seeing is a bunch of hearsay I mean that's okay but you can't just take something on board as fact when there's money to be made and to do so would be just a tad bit naive.
I'm open to either side of the discussion but I wan't to see proof before I'm just willy nilly going to just decide straight off the bat that online casino gaming software would not cheat. The temptation is just far to great.
Agree with the quote. Our CM members have been very astute and we see games/casinos get called out from time to time. In fact one slot game is getting heavily critisiced on the forum right now!
With that said, sometime it be can hard for any player to prove cheating. English Harbor was one casino that was caught by a user here on CM. In that case the casino was rigging one of the double-up gamble features so it only hit 35-40 percent of the time. Thats a huge amount to be skimming on a game thats more simple than any other to statistically analyze (I actually believe it must've been an honest mistake as its too obvious). Nevertheless, it took most players awhile before becoming convinced. I think the main skeptism was that the player needed thousands of results, despite the fact he already showed the odds of getting results like his were 1-136,000.
It would be interesting to see what the fate of that thread would have been, if that game had been carefully rigged so as to win 48 percent of the time?? If that happened you really would need thousands of results and no player would spend the time/money to try and verify.
Isn't MG software "eCOGRA" certified?
I'm definitely revealing my ignorance here, but is software that is certified get randomly inspected at casino sites without advanced warning periodically? Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know how the process of certification works, but the software providor could provide a fair RNG to the auditor and give the casino the fraudulant one
Isn't MG software "eCOGRA" certified?
I'm definitely revealing my ignorance here, but is software that is certified get randomly inspected at casino sites without advanced warning periodically? Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know how the process of certification works, but the software providor could provide a fair RNG to the auditor and give the casino the fraudulant one
I think it should, I know land based venues are randomly inspected without warning periodically...
I found this "All Microgaming casinos had their casino games audited on a monthly basis by PriceWaterhouseCoopers until eCOGRA opened up shop. From that point forward eCOGRA conducted all MGS casino game audits. It should be noted, eCOGRA was established and funded by Microgaming who even to this day has a Microgaming employee sitting on the eCOGRA Non Executive Board." I mean I don't know much as I'm just a gambler but that's what I found out
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I'm definitely revealing my ignorance here, but is software that is certified get randomly inspected at casino sites without advanced warning periodically? Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know how the process of certification works, but the software providor could provide a fair RNG to the auditor and give the casino the fraudulant one
Why?
All casino's are in the business of taking your money - they are pretty open and honest about it.
Why not just submit the 'fair' one that guarantees they get to keep between 2-9% of all the money that people throw into the casino?
Millions and millions of pounds.
You lot are bonkers!
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Why?
All casino's are in the business of taking your money - they are pretty open and honest about it.
Why not just submit the 'fair' one that guarantees they get to keep between 2-9% of all the money that people throw into the casino?
Millions and millions of pounds.
You lot are bonkers!
Thank you Slotster! You said it far better than I
I had given up on this thread
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Thank you Slotster! You said it far better than I
I had given up on this thread
He hee. To clarify, I'm reasonably certain that the major software players certainly don't do anything nefarious ON PURPOSE. However, with software and what have you - there's nothing to suggest that some slots might not do exactly what they are supposed to. I mean, Excel, Powerpoint, IOS7 - they all have bugs and issues and problems and stuff. There's nothing to suggest online software won't either every now and again.
There's definitely no Microgaming Illuminati sat in a cave monitoring the fifth reel of Tomb Raider and pushing that third Lara Croft scatter just off the reels and out of sight *
* Except when Randomiam is playing - but don't tell him. **
** And Nifty, obviously - but that was by forum request. We had a vote.
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Yup software can have bugs so it's possible a new slot release could be broke; however I think there are enough seasoned players out there to spot it and sound the alarm pronto! I happen to think that there are no bugs in the new MG slots just bad design on the paytable (especially with Girls with Guns 2)
I am having a great time looking at old wins on the screenshots thread and you Slotster seem to dominate the early ones. :notworthy
I really don't think there has been a change in the way the slots are paying. Today we have more 243 way high variance slots so players are betting smaller in order to stay in the game. Way back when the bets were bigger on the traditional 9 liners so the returns would be higher. So I guess my advice would be to players feeling bruised by MG games is to give the old slots a chance. You might be surprised
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