Venting Wild Swarm 2 By Scam Push Gaming!

[DreamRJ]

Seriously that slot is criminally bad, I have been maxed on the shit scam slot since it launched and still can not trigger the fucking wild swarm that will 100% pay 10X when I do.

Also the paytable is such a fucking lie. Since I reached the max level the RTP has decreased to like 10% in the base game,, 90% dead spins or just a a few tiny not even 1x bet wins. Not even getting chests dropping, scatters not showing up. 100% this is 100X worse than the original and the original was a disgrace too thats why I never play that shit anymore and now when I do finally trigger the wild swarm I will never play this fucking scam shit again.

Honestly my RTP atm at VS is shockingly bad been depositing and depositing and they last 5 mins sometimes 10mins if I am lucky, I can not even grow a fucking balance just constant fucking loss and how many fucking dead spins now do all these fucking scam slots do now like seriously you never used to get the amount of dead spins you get today years ago. All these new slots have been programmed to give hundreds of dead spins. It is a disgrace.

EDIT: I am amazed no one has made a thread about this shit scam slot yet lol

 

[Oscar Arnhem]

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[DreamRJ]

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So that's where all my RTP is

 

[DreamRJ]

hundreds and hundreds I done on this fucking pile of shit slot now deposits lasting 5mins its so damn bad the base game is criminal.

Thousands of spins.

 

[DreamRJ]

and this is what my RTP is like in all the other slots I have been playing to, but this is the worst by far. It is 100% fucking criminal.

And what is worse is the bullshit lie using My RTP at videoslots. That states your overall RTP and I never saw it drop below 95% ever.

I really wonder if that would change for a new player? would it still state 95%? I feel something fishy going on with that overall RTP at videoslots. Why can we not make it so we can change the dates to check overall RTP? I tell you why, because they want to make it look like your RTP is at a reasonable range when it is not what so ever. That RTP is wrong!

 

[goatwack]

Growing balances and the noble art of sustaining play is all but dead I'm afraid, to be replaced with 'boom or bust' mechanics, as they're all the rage.

58% is bad in anyone's books, and many games tend to be 'less forthcoming' when juiced-up, it's always been a programmed convenience masquerading as fair play. One look at Bonanza's 'randomly live' bonuses ceasing to hit anything of note when on a large multiplier will attest to that.

Whilst I can't vouch for VS' overall RTP, I'd imagine most players would check the games they're playing on an individual basis, which seem pretty thoroughly detailed, and probably displayed 'well enough'

 

[slotmaster]

1st one was a scam so this one will be no better, hit free spins and got $1.62 lol, at least they got a few things going on in the base game but still boring imo and will be a no-play like the 1st one.

 

[Jono777]

I built the Swarm up (original game) on 20'ps over month's and month's and it sat there for like, forever

One day I suddenly remembered about it and did ONE £1 spin and BOOM! - Swarm mode, never returned to this day

 

[DreamRJ]

1st one was a scam so this one will be no better, hit free spins and got $1.62 lol, at least they got a few things going on in the base game but still boring imo and will be a no-play like the 1st one.

Your saying the base game has things going on? lmao yeah right the base game is as bad as other slots nowadays because they lock all the RTP inside the "super bonus" and in the UK we have no chance at triggering a super bonus because we can not buy. But on majority of the slots, the chance of hitting a super bonus is near on impossible from the base game. Only a certain view slots you can. Take for example ELK (Buffalo Torro) That slot I have played thousands and thousands and thousands of spins on, never ever landed the super bonus once, The new Buggin slot also the same, the chance of landing the super bonus on ELK is never going to happen. Probably will happen when you done 1 million spins on it,, and without fast spins how do they expect people in the UK to be able to trigger them? IT is totally unfair programming for people with restrictions.

No Limit I had 1 super bonus triggered I hit the 5 scatters with XBet on D-Day and I had an upgrade in Land of the free. But I would not even call that a super bonus either because I got the upgrade when I only had 2 spins left so it still only paid me 35X the whole bonus.

Wild Swarm is guaranteed super bonus it is just impossible to know when it will hit because push gaming is one of the worst providers, I never liked any of their slots they are just scammy.

Now I will show you all my RTP on this pile of shit slot.



I mean look at how damn low them numbers are.

This is now my total spins I done on it as well. Still not fucking triggered wild swarm on the scam shit.

 

[DreamRJ]

I would love to know the average amount of spins it takes to trigger wild swarm?

What is more criminal about wild swarm and wild swarm 2 is you can not even maintain a balance on it, because the base game throws you fuck all back to keep you spinning to give you more chances of triggering it. So it means if you have not got a big balance you have to keep depositing and depositing and they keep getting eaten within 5 minutes. IT is totally a scam slot. And what is worse is the amount I have now lost on the fucker. I will be lucky to get 10X from the wild swarm when I trigger it 100%

@Jono777 - well I never played wild swarm ever again but because this was second I had to test it for testing it sake I am disgusted I have now.

 

[k6kaysix]

The swarm building mechanic seems utterly pointless anyway when you can just build it up on 10p stake and it seems to make no difference whatsoever unless I'm missing something

On other similar grinding games at least it works on your average bet size (or a seperate build for different stakes)

 

[dunover]

Why not watch The Bandit's session on it, who played it for hours to get one decent one and one shitter and was lucky to lose as little as he did overall. Then learn from that.

 

[DreamRJ]

The swarm building mechanic seems utterly pointless anyway when you can just build it up on 10p stake and it seems to make no difference whatsoever unless I'm missing something

On other similar grinding games at least it works on your average bet size (or a seperate build for different stakes)

Yeah and that is also why these 2 slots are such a scam the fact they made it so you can build on 10p but as soon as you raise stake the RTP instantly drops to 10% in the base game and then it eats you alive.

Look at the paytable it says the RTP at max level is higher lmfao. That is total bullshit when you then raise your stake. It does not state the RTP on the slot will decrease when you raise your bet in the base game does it.

The slot has been coded to be aware when the player changes the stake on the slot so it can then drop the RTP I guarantee that 100%.

 

[DreamRJ]

Like before I got the max level I was getting nice hits in base game and nice hits in the bonuses mostly because the RTP was at normal levels but as soon as I maxed it, it was like a switch was turned on and it went ice cold instantly and you could tell. I was getting those 2 full reel of best symbol many times in the base game before I hit max level and then after they vanished without a trace so the last 5 days I had those 2 first reels 3 times in 5 days.

Before max I had them like 10 or more times in an hour!

I think I will just do what Jono did but I will purposely forget about the fucker and then just try it again in the future.

 

[justdoit]

wats the point playing, it never pays more then 1000x , and you spend easy lot more to get a bonus, same with old game never see wins more then 1000x

 

[DreamRJ]

wats the point playing, it never pays more then 1000x , and you spend easy lot more to get a bonus, same with old game never see wins more then 1000x

Yeah thats why I am not playing it now I will forget about it like Jono did lol

 

[dunover]

The game is clearly weighted. The Bandit did another run on it yesterday, with about 5k starting at £10 spins when on max level 5. After about 10 bees which didn't trigger, raised the stakes to £20 and during base game play got many sub-10x free spins rounds and one just over 100x. He then hit the chest feature for 500x (10k win) and the game turned to ratshit immediately, dropping his balance from over 13k straight back down to 5-ish k. When just a few quid under his starting balance of 5k, hit the queen bee (33rd. bee) for wild swarm and got (you guessed it!) reel one as the 2x wild reel and a load of shite, paid shy of 100x IIRC. So finished slightly up on the session by <2k but taking into account the several k lost previously, was still down on the game by a couple of k.
Interestingly, I put his overall sums at about 96% RTP in the two videos I saw.

Clearly, building up levels on lower stakes then going higher after say 10+ non-triggering bees, is not a way to get any advantage from the game as the base game RTP plummets on this strategy after stake raising.

The average wild swarm return I hear is around 500x.

 

[justdoit]

The game is clearly weighted. The Bandit did another run on it yesterday, with about 5k starting at £10 spins when on max level 5. After about 10 bees which didn't trigger, raised the stakes to £20 and during base game play got many sub-10x free spins rounds and one just over 100x. He then hit the chest feature for 500x (10k win) and the game turned to ratshit immediately, dropping his balance from over 13k straight back down to 5-ish k. When just a few quid under his starting balance of 5k, hit the queen bee (33rd. bee) for wild swarm and got (you guessed it!) reel one as the 2x wild reel and a load of shite, paid shy of 100x IIRC. So finished slightly up on the session by <2k but taking into account the several k lost previously, was still down on the game by a couple of k.
Interestingly, I put his overall sums at about 96% RTP in the two videos I saw.

Clearly, building up levels on lower stakes then going higher after say 10+ non-triggering bees, is not a way to get any advantage from the game as the base game RTP plummets on this strategy after stake raising.

The average wild swarm return I hear is around 500x.

I build one time old game on and off 153 bees to get the big bonus paid me 400x, lost like 600x to build, so 200x lost from game, this new game is way more harder to win anything good, Bandit he should just close the game and run after he hit that 500x on game, I watched Bandits old videos even when he build on £100 same paid him like 500x

 

[The Reel Story]

If it's the same as Wild Swarm 1. The 'build' is an illusion. Every spin has the same chance to trigger swarm mode.

Before you've 'built' the hive, it triggers from a box. After you've built the hive it triggers from a bee. But that's just graphics, it makes no difference. It's a mechanic designed to get you to build it on a low stake and then raise up and go bust thinking you have an advantage.

Alternatively, if they've changed it for Swarm 2, then they'll simply have a less volatile reel set pre-build and then a much higher volatility (and less generous) reel set post build. Both models will pay the same RTP (swarm mode included), so again, you're getting no advantage by building it on a low stake. This method would explain it feeling very harsh after the hive is built, because a biiig chunk of the RTP will then sit in the swarm trigger.

 

[DreamRJ]

If it's the same as Wild Swarm 1. The 'build' is an illusion. Every spin has the same chance to trigger swarm mode.

Before you've 'built' the hive, it triggers from a box. After you've built the hive it triggers from a bee. But that's just graphics, it makes no difference. It's a mechanic designed to get you to build it on a low stake and then raise up and go bust thinking you have an advantage.

Alternatively, if they've changed it for Swarm 2, then they'll simply have a less volatile reel set pre-build and then a much higher volatility (and less generous) reel set post build. Both models will pay the same RTP (swarm mode included), so again, you're getting no advantage by building it on a low stake. This method would explain it feeling very harsh after the hive is built, because a biiig chunk of the RTP will then sit in the swarm trigger.

Bit in bold - But what if it only pays 10X? lol where is my RTP then? my overall RTP is still 54% so if it only pays 10X my RTP will basically stay around the same % still far far below what it should be at.

 

[The Reel Story]

I'm talking about Theoretical RTP. Your personal RTP is just your money in and money out and will swing based on luck.

In terms of the mathematical model of the game, the TRTP will be what is advertised. If a big chunk of that mathematically sits in the average swarm mode payouts, then naturally the base game will have to pay out less.

 

[jasonuk]

If it's the same as Wild Swarm 1. The 'build' is an illusion. Every spin has the same chance to trigger swarm mode.

Before you've 'built' the hive, it triggers from a box. After you've built the hive it triggers from a bee. But that's just graphics, it makes no difference. It's a mechanic designed to get you to build it on a low stake and then raise up and go bust thinking you have an advantage.

Alternatively, if they've changed it for Swarm 2, then they'll simply have a less volatile reel set pre-build and then a much higher volatility (and less generous) reel set post build. Both models will pay the same RTP (swarm mode included), so again, you're getting no advantage by building it on a low stake. This method would explain it feeling very harsh after the hive is built, because a biiig chunk of the RTP will then sit in the swarm trigger.

It would be theoretically possible that different phases have different RTPs (as occurs in other slots), but not necessarily in a way that can generate a player advantage.

As it happens, they disclose the RTP per level - there is an increase but it is very slight - just 0.43% bottom to top:



So when you note that the declared RTP of 96.67% is somewhere between level 4 and level 5, you get an idea of how long the grind will be. Therefore they want you to raise the bet thinking you have an advantage but you actually don't - the stored value is an illusion in this case. I would not be surprised in the slightest if providers have collaborated with the streamers to perpetuate such myths.

Not to say it doesn't happen - The Dark Knight Rises and Street Fighter 2 send their regards.

Similarly, TRTP of stored value games becomes a headache and largely discredits the traditional RTP calculations (because TRTP + realised House Edge exceeds 100%), but in this case the models are so close together that it's not relevant.

 

[L&L-Jan]

300x for few $ and wild x4 on reel 4.

 

[Avernite]

Saw right through the whole "raise" strategy when they released the first one. I keep it at the same stake throughout and ended up in the positives.

 

[dunover]

The sad thing about Netent's SF2 is when I used to do my pre-release multi slot YT videos, I played it and spotted the obvious error immediately, even mentioned in the video's thread on here, yet it still got sent out to casinos briefly as players made hay.