Question Wheel of Rizk questions - please help.

[Jono777]

I hear you and I am not saying that the WoR is the best thing since sliced bread either, in fact as I mentioned in my other post, I don't play at Rizk all that often and it is the reloads and 'trust factor' which encourage me rather than the wheel.

The big difference is that, yes as you say plenty of fish in the sea to choose from BUT how many of these competitors offers are Wager free and as often (you can level up LOTS if you drop on a decent 'stay level' session).

We all saw what Jory did from 10FS on Starburst, granted rare but over 1K of free cash with no wagering to damage his chances!

Other places sure, you can get small rewards regularly (Casumo springs to mind) but they've attached WR also, if you strike it lucky, chances are the -4% we all love will do some good damage to our balance before we even get close to cashing out.

Captain has mentioned 'alternatives' in the past but their whole ethos is based on real rewards and no bullshit, something they'd maybe have to readdress if introducing a healthier reward system which would from a business point of view need to bring along wagering with a whole host of associated Terms & Conditions.

We could (and probably will) debate the Wheel for ever and a day, problem is they will never be able to find a 'one size fits all' solution so better to have it the way it is than not at all!

 

[colinsunderland]

NP buddy, this maybe of interest/worth a read??

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/wheel-of-rizk.71932/?t=71932

Each Wheel of Rizk has a number of different prizes and each one is selected at random as we wanted to add an element of anticipation/surprise/excitement to it.

So the prizes are random, but doesn't actually say the spin creates a random prize, just the prizes on the wheel are random, which I don't really believe as if it were true you could get all Jackpot symbols.
But I don't believe the spin is random either as almost every time you get 5FS with far outweighs the number of them on the wheel.

Because again, there's nothing saying the wheel represents the odds of getting a certain prize...rather, it represents the prizes available.

Things can be random....for a certain degree of randomness. It's random that anyone can win a jackpot. Winning the jackpot isnt equal odds with winning 20 cents.

Its either random or it isn't.
Say there are 20 symbols, 12 are 5fs, 5 are 10fs 2 are ss and 1 is jackpot. If its random then you could hit the jackpot every spin. You should be hitting something other than 5fs more often than it happens.
As I say, the symbols for me on the wheel were no different playing 9p spins than they were 1.20 spins, and nor were the prizes.

The wheel is a great idea, but 50p of spins on 4 of the worst games I have ever played, after a £300ish playthrough, not for me I'm afraid, especially when VS will give you cash back and race points giving you a much higher return. I think on my last 40 or so spins my biggest win was 5FS, the law of averages says if it is random it there should have been one spin where I did better.

Oethr casinos give much better loyalty rewards than this, and some are getting better. Look at BGO the other day - £100's worth of spins for a £25 deposit and play through. Yes they had WR but gives you much more playtime than 50p on starburst which is, I think, important to most players.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Geez the forum on fire because of some FS

Funny how we are OK to lose 100's/1000's every month but then get all worked up because of some FS. No logic in that.

I had anything from 5FS to 5 bucks and SS from the WoR, once race points in some 60 odd levels....would say about 60% the result was the ominous 5FS

 

[goatwack]

Geez the forum on fire because of some FS

Funny how we are OK to lose 100's/1000's every month but then get all worked up because of some FS. No logic in that.

I had anything from 5FS to 5 bucks and SS from the WoR, once race points in some 60 odd levels....would say about 60% the result was the ominous 5FS

First-World problems are not to be laughed at!

 

[dionysus]

Each Wheel of Rizk has a number of different prizes and each one is selected at random as we wanted to add an element of anticipation/surprise/excitement to it.

So the prizes are random, but doesn't actually say the spin creates a random prize, just the prizes on the wheel are random, which I don't really believe as if it were true you could get all Jackpot symbols.
But I don't believe the spin is random either as almost every time you get 5FS with far outweighs the number of them on the wheel.



Its either random or it isn't.
Say there are 20 symbols, 12 are 5fs, 5 are 10fs 2 are ss and 1 is jackpot. If its random then you could hit the jackpot every spin. You should be hitting something other than 5fs more often than it happens.
As I say, the symbols for me on the wheel were no different playing 9p spins than they were 1.20 spins, and nor were the prizes.

The wheel is a great idea, but 50p of spins on 4 of the worst games I have ever played, after a £300ish playthrough, not for me I'm afraid, especially when VS will give you cash back and race points giving you a much higher return. I think on my last 40 or so spins my biggest win was 5FS, the law of averages says if it is random it there should have been one spin where I did better.

Oethr casinos give much better loyalty rewards than this, and some are getting better. Look at BGO the other day - £100's worth of spins for a £25 deposit and play through. Yes they had WR but gives you much more playtime than 50p on starburst which is, I think, important to most players.

Random and odds are NOT synonymous.
Theoretically, on any given slot that has a jackpot which could be triggered, at say, a 50 cent bet, could be hit on any given spin. That's random. It could be hit back to back or never once in a lifetime.
But the chance of hitting that jackpot is one in milllions, if not in billions. That's odds.

Again, you're looking at the wheel as though those are twenty actual wedges.
When you spin a jackpot wheel..let's use The Dark Knight Rises...and you see a dozen wedges. Those arent an acual twenty wedges. It's representative. You've still only that chance in millions.

when the wheel spins, and you miss it by one wedge...YOU NEVER ACTUALLY MISSED IT BY ONE WEDGE. You won it or you didnt win it. The wheel is eye candy. But the same odds are in play..that one in milions/billions.

Winning that jackpot isnt 1 in 20 just because you see 20 wedges. It just doesnt work that way. Othwewise, winning screenshots would be littered with them.

 

[dunover]

I really can't believe people have so much to say on this subject. Jesus Wept. Think the stupid wheel on WMS's SMM - the 200x is one position in say 30 but it's thousands to one against that you'll hit it. Same as Dionysus said about the jackpot wheel - MG's jackpot would appear to be 1/30 chance say but it's tens of millions to one against.

If people believe that they can spend a few quid on 20p spins or whatever and win at odds of 10/1 (the wheel segments) big jackpot or great prize regularly then they are deluded. Perhaps Rizk should hire the London Eye for a day, cover it in cardboard and measure the circumference (424 metres) and then break this down into 1cm sections, and draw a line to the centre from each, thus having a 42,400 segment wheel. Get some local schoolkids to colour the segments in, 42,300 of them 5FS and 99 of them 50 FS and 1 the 'jackpot'.

Spin it fast round a few times (minus the schoolkids) and video it stopping at the 3 possible outcomes. Upload this to their server and demonstrate to those not clever enough to understand that graphics have f*ck-all to do with the outcomes of random spins, but to silence them it then represents visually the real chances of winning each possible prize.

Then they will get over their mental turmoil the present Wheel Of Doom/Rizk invokes with its false hopes and will actually be disappointed right from the start rather than with the inevitable shit result.

 

[colinsunderland]

I think posting stuff that borders on being insulting to anyone who doesn't agree is a bit over the top tbh.
What would be the point of having a forum if everyone just posted 'yes I agree'?

The wheel allocates the prizes randomly apparently, but it can't be completely random as you never get 4 or 8 jackpot slices, just like you never get a wheel full of 5FS prizes. I completely understand the difference between odds and random, but the odds show that if there are a pool of prizes, 90% of them are 5FS then the odds would suggest that there are times when 5FS would fill the wheel, it doesn't , just as, and obviously this would be much bigger odds, there would be times when you could get 10 Jackpot symbols.

To use the London eye example, if you span it 10 times, what would the odds be of only getting say 4 x 5FS out the 10 spins?

 

[goatwack]

Well, that's easy then.

Just have Rizk redesign the wheel into 42,400 visual segments!

 

[dionysus]

I think posting stuff that borders on being insulting to anyone who doesn't agree is a bit over the top tbh.
What would be the point of having a forum if everyone just posted 'yes I agree'?

The wheel allocates the prizes randomly apparently, but it can't be completely random as you never get 4 or 8 jackpot slices, just like you never get a wheel full of 5FS prizes. I completely understand the difference between odds and random, but the odds show that if there are a pool of prizes, 90% of them are 5FS then the odds would suggest that there are times when 5FS would fill the wheel, it doesn't , just as, and obviously this would be much bigger odds, there would be times when you could get 10 Jackpot symbols.

To use the London eye example, if you span it 10 times, what would the odds be of only getting say 4 x 5FS out the 10 spins?

Because, as explained, ad nauseum, the wheel is eye-candy....it's not an actual represenation. There's an RNG for that. (if it is, I'm sure Cap'n can correct me).
It's 'for fun'....something to add to the thrill. the wheel, I'd wager, is completely irrelevant - the rng would have grabbed a win/loss from the pool, it was sent from the server, the wheel shows the 'result'.
This doesnt take away from any randomness.

Anyway, it's been discussed to death. If you enjoy the wheel prizes, fantastic. If you don't, don't stress them.

 

[colinsunderland]

Because, as explained, ad nauseum, the wheel is eye-candy....it's not an actual represenation. There's an RNG for that. (if it is, I'm sure Cap'n can correct me).
It's 'for fun'....something to add to the thrill. the wheel, I'd wager, is completely irrelevant - the rng would have grabbed a win/loss from the pool, it was sent from the server, the wheel shows the 'result'.
This doesnt take away from any randomness.

Anyway, it's been discussed to death. If you enjoy the wheel prizes, fantastic. If you don't, don't stress them.

I'm not stressed but I thought this was a discussion forum so we could discuss things like this

 

[asadzareef89]

I really can't believe people have so much to say on this subject. Jesus Wept. Think the stupid wheel on WMS's SMM - the 200x is one position in say 30 but it's thousands to one against that you'll hit it. Same as Dionysus said about the jackpot wheel - MG's jackpot would appear to be 1/30 chance say but it's tens of millions to one against.

If people believe that they can spend a few quid on 20p spins or whatever and win at odds of 10/1 (the wheel segments) big jackpot or great prize regularly then they are deluded. Perhaps Rizk should hire the London Eye for a day, cover it in cardboard and measure the circumference (424 metres) and then break this down into 1cm sections, and draw a line to the centre from each, thus having a 42,400 segment wheel. Get some local schoolkids to colour the segments in, 42,300 of them 5FS and 99 of them 50 FS and 1 the 'jackpot'.

Spin it fast round a few times (minus the schoolkids) and video it stopping at the 3 possible outcomes. Upload this to their server and demonstrate to those not clever enough to understand that graphics have f*ck-all to do with the outcomes of random spins, but to silence them it then represents visually the real chances of winning each possible prize.

Then they will get over their mental turmoil the present Wheel Of Doom/Rizk invokes with its false hopes and will actually be disappointed right from the start rather than with the inevitable shit result.

its not whether anyone should win it every spin, its what they said '' no matter what you have no chance of winning anything other than 5fs'', its like MG saying yeah there's 4 jackpots on the wheel but you can't ever win anything other than the minor jackpot

If they had said like the rep '' its random'', story finished but they said you can never win anything other than the 5fs hence my thread

I still believe if what the chat agent said is true, then its completely false advertising to lure players in to try their luck when you never stood a chance anyway

 

[miksaxxx]

stop this madness..

Of course it is random, i have winned money, normal spins , Super spins, mega spins.. etc:

 

[goatwack]

Of course it is random, i have winned money, normal spins , Super spins, mega spins.. etc: View attachment 69637View attachment 69638

I think your battery is low.

Must be all them free spins!!

 

[miksaxxx]

lol

Sorry , my battery charger is charging my head..

I think your battery is low.

Must be all them free spins!!

 

[theapple]

Of course it is random, i have winned money, normal spins , Super spins, mega spins.. etc: View attachment 69637View attachment 69638

yeah its so very random. almost too random for its own good

 

[goatwack]

yeah its so very random. almost too random for its own good

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Don't make me take a bite out of you, Apple! :eat:

 

[miksaxxx]

yeah its so very random. almost too random for its own good

I have had same luck. now my average Stakes has been about 5-6€ per spin. More risk . Have chased jackpot , but it has not comed.

 

[Harry_BKK]

5 pages and still going.

If anybody on here thinks that playing all the time with minimum stakes should give you the same chance for higher rewards like for a player staking all the time medium-high spins/bets then you are living in cuckoo land.

Firstly the potential losses and most probably the real ones as well, hence the contribution to the casino's turnover, are much higher and should be rightly so better rewarded.

Secondly, Rizk is just like VS one of the best casinos for non-bonus play. The rewards are all WR free and usually amount to 5-7% of your total deposits. That is good enough for me since i don't have to sit there trying to get through 100's or 1000's of wagering.

Thirdly, the Captain will take very good care of you if you have a prolonged losing period, even for low rollers. That is nowadays a rare thing among online casinos.

Lastly, the WoR is just a little side show were you could have a very lucky moment to hit some SS/MS or even the jackpot. That's how I look at it.

 

[lotusch]

5 pages and still going.

If anybody on here thinks that playing all the time with minimum stakes should give you the same chance for higher rewards like for a player staking all the time medium-high spins/bets then you are living in cuckoo land.

Firstly the potential losses and most probably the real ones as well, hence the contribution to the casino's turnover, are much higher and should be rightly so better rewarded.

Secondly, Rizk is just like VS one of the best casinos for non-bonus play. The rewards are all WR free and usually amount to 5-7% of your total deposits. That is good enough for me since i don't have to sit there trying to get through 100's or 1000's of wagering.

Thirdly, the Captain will take very good care of you if you have a prolonged losing period, even for low rollers. That is nowadays a rare thing among online casinos.

Lastly, the WoR is just a little side show were you could have a very lucky moment to hit some SS/MS or even the jackpot. That's how I look at it.

100% agree on your post.
5 pages of discussion about a bloody game that dishes out freebees to customers.
No matter how little the rewards are,they are still FREE.
I take them, no problem.

Many casino's where I have deposited over the past years have given me little or nothing in rewards.
Rizk at least gives me something,each and every time I level up.

And no matter how slim the chances, the JP is on the wheel so it can be won!!
As the Irish Lotto would say: "It could be You" ^^

 

[goatwack]

100% agree on your post.
5 pages of discussion about a bloody game that dishes out freebees to customers.
No matter how little the rewards are,they are still FREE.
I take them, no problem.

Many casino's where I have deposited over the past years have given me little or nothing in rewards.
Rizk at least gives me something,each and every time I level up.

And no matter how slim the chances, the JP is on the wheel so it can be won!!
As the Irish Lotto would say: "It could be You" ^^

It's slightly different for you Lotusch......if you win the jackpot, I'm afraid you'll owe the casino a couple of million £

 

[colinsunderland]

Secondly, Rizk is just like VS one of the best casinos for non-bonus play. The rewards are all WR free and usually amount to 5-7% of your total deposits. That is good enough for me since i don't have to sit there trying to get through 100's or 1000's of wagering.

Wish I had your luck
I did actually look at what I got back from £300 in deposits once from the wheel, got 5FS 7 times, so £3.50 in spins, from them I got £2.50 back so under 1%
VS are much better for rewards with no WR and other casinos give free spins out with no WR.
Rizk are a good casino with games that work (starting to be a plus these days than expected), the Captain is an excellent rep and even when he is being criticized keeps replying calmly to try to work stuff out and they will also change things based on feedback from customers (ie the Skull being removed) something I don't think I've seen any other casino do. I just wish they would send a few deposit offers out, or maybe include some on the wheel, or at least change the games, I can only play 2 of the 4 that are there anyway, starburst and the pyramid one, the other 2 wont open on my pc.

 

[spintee]

Sorry I not read all, I went by previous threads, The wheels not rigged but has been stated by the Captain in other threads, The more the average bet the better the wheel prize, For small rollers its nothing special, If better higher than the mega spins would be nice, Which is fair, You cannot expect some one to grind away £40 on 20p bets and get the same prize as somebody depositing £400 on £2 bets,

I guess the higher up the better odds of a few more spins is involved, I will say there is nothing wrong with the site, It is a good site but I will say the concept is the same across more site I can think of, They just implemented it in a different way, To me its nothing new and nothing exiting, Its away to add abit of a theme to a site and to offer a little something to us players,

Not going to deny any free spins so any is better than 0, I will not mention other sites but many have a wheel or bar to next level and alot have a wger connected, Has Rizk? I not remember,

I do not think its false or misleading but it will not hurt to say the more you bet the bigger the prize

I had alot of skulls when it was there also

 

[geordiecolin]

I think quite simply that the OP's header should be changed because it is very misleading and is excessively derogatory towards what is simply one of the very best casino's with the best rep's that there is. I almost feel embarrassed on Rizk's behalf. I've no problem with folk asking the questions,but its presentation is important too.

I hope the header is changed.

 

[goatwack]

I think quite simply that the OP's header should be changed because it is very misleading and is excessively derogatory towards what is simply one of the very best casino's with the best rep's that there is. I almost feel embarrassed on Rizk's behalf. I've no problem with folk asking the questions,but its presentation is important too.

I hope the header is changed.

I do agree that the opening point could have slotted into the 'Wheel of Rizk' thread as most of the points raised relate to that. But as this thread is now in full swing and on par with current world problems, like with ISIS running rampant and economic turmoil, there's no turning back now!

I believe 'Rizk false advertising?' would have sufficed, no point in terming the phrase 'scammers' when they have done nothing but strive to implement our suggestions and are always looking to improve. Let's not forget the 'lock' facility

The wheel, although I have yet to see its full benefits, is a niche addition that perks up the rewards and still is a good idea, even if it could do with a slight revamp

 

[colinsunderland]

I think quite simply that the OP's header should be changed because it is very misleading and is excessively derogatory towards what is simply one of the very best casino's with the best rep's that there is. I almost feel embarrassed on Rizk's behalf. I've no problem with folk asking the questions,but its presentation is important too.

I hope the header is changed.

It wasn't when posted though, as the OP was told that all he could ever win was 5FS